Re: CS>Red Yeast Rice & Cholesterol
Red Yeast Rice hasn't been banned. It is available from dozens of websites. However, several products made from Red Yeast Rice are currently 'banned' because they are similar enough to patented drugs that patent infringement lawsuits have been filed. That is all. Nothing too insidius. What are all ya'll going to do in August of this year when NONE of your dire predictions come to pass? (Can you say Y2K?) George From: Denise Every To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: CS>Red Yeast Rice & Cholesterol <<<>>> I did a quick search and red yeast rice is still being sold, I found it on multiple sites, Vitamin Shoppe being one. I did find an article on WholeHealthMD.com that mentions the FDA withdrawing it, it said, "In 2001, however, red yeast rice extract, a "natural" unregulated nutritional supplement, was withdrawn by the FDA. This decision followed the agency's determination that it was chemically too similar to the prescription statin medication Mevacor, and thus should be classified as a "drug," which by law is strictly controlled by the federal government." But I don't know what the date of this article is, the web site has a copyright date of 2000... maybe the FDA took some other action since and reversed its 2001 decision? Denise
RE: CS>Red Yeast Rice & Cholesterol
They wanted to make anything that had any metabolic effect on the human body a drug, including water. -Original Message- From: Ed Kasper [mailto:edkas...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Red Yeast Rice & Cholesterol Interesting that the Food and drug Admin took action against a food because it acted better than a drug. Red yeast gave Ginger the redness in pickled ginger and other foods. Still haven't got a reply from my email to the FDA. Has anyone on the list tried a direct inquiry? Ed -Original Message- From: Denise Every [mailto:deni...@citlink.net] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 7:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Red Yeast Rice & Cholesterol So was ephedra, but they got that banned but maybe red yeast rice hasn't been linked to anyone dying, so they had less grounds? - Original Message - From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:04 PM Subject: CS>Red Yeast Rice & Cholesterol Hi Denise, Red Yeast Rice was here long before Mevacor, so perhaps the 'grandfather' clause saved it. I'm sure the FDA would love to keep this one off the market for their buddies but to say it was chemically too similar to the prescription Mevacor as an excuse was idiotic, even for them. Jean * I did find an article on WholeHealthMD.com that mentions the FDA withdrawing it, it said, "In 2001, however, red yeast rice extract, a "natural" unregulated nutritional supplement, was withdrawn by the FDA. This decision followed the agency's determination that it was chemically too similar to the prescription statin medication Mevacor, and thus should be classified as a "drug," which by law is strictly controlled by the federal government." Denise
RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave
http://www.rense.com/general63/ride.htm -Original Message- From: kent [mailto:ke...@shaw.ca] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave I believe in new world order that said I wonder where you get this notion that Germany was forced into the war please explain. - Original Message - From: "Jim Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave > The Nuremberg Trials were rigged. Just a couple of issues: > > German officials were forced to sign confessions written in English, that > they could not read. > > German members of the Board of Directors of I.G. Farben, a socialized > Corporation held to be guild of war crimes were tried and convicted. > American members of the same Board who served at the same time during WWII > were never charged. > > Francis Parker Yockey, an American Lawyer, refused to participate in that > travesty of justice, and was eventually imprisoned and died in prison > under > mysterious circumstances. > > Further, the Germans tried desperately to avoid the war; it was thrust > upon > them by England, as part of the N.W.O. plan that is now coming to > fruition. > > Nothing is as it appears. > > Him is right. > > -Original Message- > From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:38 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave > > > It's not the leaders who are at fault. It's the followers. > > Remember the Nuremberg Trials? > > They were only following the law. > > Forcing someone to do something is Wrong, law or not. > > Why not learn to make our own judgments...and it's not > even necessary to 'fight the law' to do it. > > stuff > > At 07:34 PM 3/8/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >>I should point out that NO Dr. will administer a vaccine at gun >>pointso..it is NOT his fault. If a law passes that requires everyone > to >>have a vaccine by law (as some suggest will be on our NEW National ID >>card) >>then the person will be forced to get the vaccine. Again the Dr. is only >>following the law. If we wish to stop this insanity...then we need to >>address these issues with those we elect Due Process I'm told it is. >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] >>Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:25 PM >>To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave >> >>Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy, but I have one >>comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information about >>health issues: be sure that any "attacks" do not invite or advocate >>violence. >> >>I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur >>posted on the the Matrixcide web site.The author of this sometimes >>highly intemperate essay at times clearly advocates physical violence >>against MD's involved in vaccination programs.The author >>unambiguously advocates shooting them. This is not a mere rhetorical >>device or hyperbolic outburst; the author evidently is quite sincere >>in advocating the deaths of those who would impose vaccination. He >>makes this statement several times in the essay. >> >>I note that the author of the essay is NOT the person running the web >>site. Nevertheless, it seems to me that a person who posts such >>advocacy without taking the trouble to distance himself from such >>comments runs the risk of being seen as a potential source of violence >>himself. Further, I know that experts in bioterrorism are extremely >>worried about public hysteria in the event of an epidemic/pandemic, and >>worry about necessary measures for quarantining those whose refusal to >>follow epidemiological guidelines might imperil others.This whole >>issue is a can of ugly, writhing, toxic snakes, and even the best >>people in the field can come to differing conclusions about the proper >>course of action in an emergency. The point here is simple, though: >>if I were among these folks, essays advocating the murder of doctors >>would make me very worried indeed. I would want law enforcement >>people to keep an eye on those advocating such actions. >> >>In summary, I think that the misdeeds of doctors, politicians, and >>anyone doing wrong need to be exposed. However, those who advocate >>violence are very likely to do great harm to their own cause, and to >>bring unwanted attention to themselves and others associated with them. >> >>I think Mr. Devour should be aware of this aspect of the web site that >>has brought about the controversy. >> >> >> >> >>On Tuesday, Mar 8, 2005, at 12:49 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: >> >> > Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents... >> > >> > "... an anti-establishment political philosophy..." >> > >> > "... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System..." >> >> >>-- >>The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal
Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave
http://www.mercola.com/2005/mar/12/doctor_shortage.htm DOCTORS ON STRIKE? DEATHS DECREASE! CAN IT GET ANY CLEARER? > From: "Jim Holmes" > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:53:09 -0700 > To: > Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave > Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:54:05 -0800 > > Self defense? Syringe, Knife, Gunif deadly, what is the difference? > The Syringe is more insidious, because it is presented as a healing. > > But, how many M.D.s know that they are the tool of a hidden population > reduction program? > > -Original Message- > From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:25 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave > > Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy, but I have one > comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information about > health issues: be sure that any "attacks" do not invite or advocate > violence. > > I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur > posted on the the Matrixcide web site.The author of this sometimes > highly intemperate essay at times clearly advocates physical violence > against MD's involved in vaccination programs.The author > unambiguously advocates shooting them. This is not a mere rhetorical > device or hyperbolic outburst; the author evidently is quite sincere > in advocating the deaths of those who would impose vaccination. He > makes this statement several times in the essay. > > I note that the author of the essay is NOT the person running the web > site. Nevertheless, it seems to me that a person who posts such > advocacy without taking the trouble to distance himself from such > comments runs the risk of being seen as a potential source of violence > himself. Further, I know that experts in bioterrorism are extremely > worried about public hysteria in the event of an epidemic/pandemic, and > worry about necessary measures for quarantining those whose refusal to > follow epidemiological guidelines might imperil others.This whole > issue is a can of ugly, writhing, toxic snakes, and even the best > people in the field can come to differing conclusions about the proper > course of action in an emergency. The point here is simple, though: > if I were among these folks, essays advocating the murder of doctors > would make me very worried indeed. I would want law enforcement > people to keep an eye on those advocating such actions. > > In summary, I think that the misdeeds of doctors, politicians, and > anyone doing wrong need to be exposed. However, those who advocate > violence are very likely to do great harm to their own cause, and to > bring unwanted attention to themselves and others associated with them. > > I think Mr. Devour should be aware of this aspect of the web site that > has brought about the controversy. > > > > > On Tuesday, Mar 8, 2005, at 12:49 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: > >> Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents... >> >> "... an anti-establishment political philosophy..." >> >> "... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System..." > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave
Self defense? Syringe, Knife, Gunif deadly, what is the difference? The Syringe is more insidious, because it is presented as a healing. But, how many M.D.s know that they are the tool of a hidden population reduction program? -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy, but I have one comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information about health issues: be sure that any "attacks" do not invite or advocate violence. I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur posted on the the Matrixcide web site.The author of this sometimes highly intemperate essay at times clearly advocates physical violence against MD's involved in vaccination programs.The author unambiguously advocates shooting them. This is not a mere rhetorical device or hyperbolic outburst; the author evidently is quite sincere in advocating the deaths of those who would impose vaccination. He makes this statement several times in the essay. I note that the author of the essay is NOT the person running the web site. Nevertheless, it seems to me that a person who posts such advocacy without taking the trouble to distance himself from such comments runs the risk of being seen as a potential source of violence himself. Further, I know that experts in bioterrorism are extremely worried about public hysteria in the event of an epidemic/pandemic, and worry about necessary measures for quarantining those whose refusal to follow epidemiological guidelines might imperil others.This whole issue is a can of ugly, writhing, toxic snakes, and even the best people in the field can come to differing conclusions about the proper course of action in an emergency. The point here is simple, though: if I were among these folks, essays advocating the murder of doctors would make me very worried indeed. I would want law enforcement people to keep an eye on those advocating such actions. In summary, I think that the misdeeds of doctors, politicians, and anyone doing wrong need to be exposed. However, those who advocate violence are very likely to do great harm to their own cause, and to bring unwanted attention to themselves and others associated with them. I think Mr. Devour should be aware of this aspect of the web site that has brought about the controversy. On Tuesday, Mar 8, 2005, at 12:49 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: > Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents... > > "... an anti-establishment political philosophy..." > > "... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System..." -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave
Sorry, Dr Kenney, The law already exists. Under the Patriot Act, anyone can be injected with anything at gunpoint. If you are harmed by that, you are specifically denied any remedy. You wrote: ". If a law passes that requires everyone to have a vaccine by law (as some suggest will be on our NEW National ID card) then the person will be forced to get the vaccine." If this occurs, who will give the injection, Nurses Aides? Same under the Model States Emergency Medical Powers Acts. These powers arise on the unilateral declaration of a "Biological Emergency" by the Governor. There is no due process left in the present judicial system; all that is remaining is administrative law that applies to corporate fictions like DAVID W. KENNEY, the entity on your Driver License that is not you the flesh and blood man, who is held responsible for the liabilities of that entity. The government may also seize (steal) any of your property, and at their sole option, destroy it. These laws are now present. Jim -Original Message- From: Dr. David W. Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:35 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave I should point out that NO Dr. will administer a vaccine at gun pointso..it is NOT his fault. If a law passes that requires everyone to have a vaccine by law (as some suggest will be on our NEW National ID card) then the person will be forced to get the vaccine. Again the Dr. is only following the law. If we wish to stop this insanity...then we need to address these issues with those we elect Due Process I'm told it is. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy, but I have one comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information about health issues: be sure that any "attacks" do not invite or advocate violence. I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur posted on the the Matrixcide web site.The author of this sometimes highly intemperate essay at times clearly advocates physical violence against MD's involved in vaccination programs.The author unambiguously advocates shooting them. This is not a mere rhetorical device or hyperbolic outburst; the author evidently is quite sincere in advocating the deaths of those who would impose vaccination. He makes this statement several times in the essay. I note that the author of the essay is NOT the person running the web site. Nevertheless, it seems to me that a person who posts such advocacy without taking the trouble to distance himself from such comments runs the risk of being seen as a potential source of violence himself. Further, I know that experts in bioterrorism are extremely worried about public hysteria in the event of an epidemic/pandemic, and worry about necessary measures for quarantining those whose refusal to follow epidemiological guidelines might imperil others.This whole issue is a can of ugly, writhing, toxic snakes, and even the best people in the field can come to differing conclusions about the proper course of action in an emergency. The point here is simple, though: if I were among these folks, essays advocating the murder of doctors would make me very worried indeed. I would want law enforcement people to keep an eye on those advocating such actions. In summary, I think that the misdeeds of doctors, politicians, and anyone doing wrong need to be exposed. However, those who advocate violence are very likely to do great harm to their own cause, and to bring unwanted attention to themselves and others associated with them. I think Mr. Devour should be aware of this aspect of the web site that has brought about the controversy. On Tuesday, Mar 8, 2005, at 12:49 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: > Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents... > > "... an anti-establishment political philosophy..." > > "... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System..." -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Vitamin C & Cholesterol
Cholesterol is a red herring. The real culprit is industrial vegetable oils and trans-fats. At the beginning of the 1900s, people ate animal fats on a regular basis. Myocardial Infarctions were extremely rare. The ramp-up exactly follows the use of industrial oils as food. Search: Mary Enig, "The Oiling Of America". Mindblowing expose of the whole scam. -Original Message- From: Louise [mailto:lou...@raw-connections.com] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:32 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Vitamin C & Cholesterol How to LOWER cholesterol, first IF we look as to why the body produces cholesterol we would find it is the bodies attempt to HEAL. Number ONE culprits are grains, sugar and starches these trigger off insulin production that damages the walls of the arteries and the body then PRODUCES cholesterol to repair the damage. So the true trick to lowering cholesterol production is to lower the quick release carbs that are CAUSING THE PROBLEM!!! Omega 3's helps lower the free radicals (they also damage the walls) so it is helpful as well. but the main thing is to lower the carbs!!! Now the reason to take vit B's is the sugars and starches also lower them as well as the Omega 3's. But in either case lowering grains, sugar and starches are the way to solve a LOT of health problems not just cholesterol. It will also lower inflammation (often the cause of pain) so there is a lot of incentive if you are sick or want to be healthier to lower the grains (wheat being the worse of the grains by the way) Louise -Original Message- From: Simon [mailto:simon1...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:41 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Vitamin C & Cholesterol I have been reading a lot lately about Vitamin C, has anyone on the list had any good results with high doses of Vitamin C helping to lower cholesterol
Re: CS>question again on bladder
Bailar wrote: > A while back we were discussing bladder infections. Brooks Bradley said > that colloidal silver plus DMSO could be instilled in the bladder. He > said "We have found that utilizing DMSO mixed with CS produces a very > acceptable control response." When I inquired on more information, I was > upset by his response. He told me "We are a research group"--I guess he > means the silver list. "I cannot olunteer the exact methodologies > utilised by our experimenters" etc. Why not? I'm afraid you haven't been around long enough to know Brooks' background. He is a principal in a private research organization, and often shares with us on the Silver List various useful results from that group's studies. He is, however, careful not to attempt to prescribe or offer specific advice to individuals, thus his caution. Since every tidbit he's ever shared with the Silver List has been of great value, we rather treasure his participation! > Who are the experimenters? How are we supposed to help each other if we > don't know the exact methods, and how quickly those people improved? Normally Brooks' guidance is specific enough that anyone can, with reasonable study, duplicate the essentials of the work for themselves. In this specific case, there are a number of books on DMSO that will give you the specifics of the treatment protocol. It happens that the only medically approved use for DMSO is in treating a certain bladder condition -- ummm, interstitial cystitis, I think. Adding CS to that protocol is a no-brainer substitution of CS for the water used to dilute the DMSO to the proper concentration. DMSO is sufficiently versatile that it is *well* worth the effort to buy a book or two on its use. (That assumes that Brooks will *not* be forthcoming with additional information -- which I doubt will be the case.) > He suggested finding a doctor willing to do this--I don't know any such > doctors. He said "Your physician should be quite capable of performing > this..." Actually, most physicians, both primary and alternative, that > I know of do not catheterize people. Urologists do it. Maybe > gynecologists do sometimes, who knows. Given the fact that there is a medically approved use for DMSO in bladder disease, all you'd need to do would be find a brand of colloidal silver that is certified for medical use. There are a couple. (Not FDA approved for treatment of disease, but made to the standards required for such use, and in a certified facility.) Then, if you can find a physician who's truly comfortable with alternatives -- as hard as that is -- they ought to be persuadable. > In addition, I began to wonder about the sterility of the CS. Tho CS is > antimicobrial, even so, you should be using a completely sterile > solution instilling anything in the bladder. Storebought or homemade CS > is not necessarily sterile in the sense of instilling it or injecting > it. DMSO comes in a sterile bottle (RIMSO does anyway). For injection or intravenous use, you're correct. I believe it needs to be sterile as well as pyrogen free. (I think that's the term.) Whether the latter is important for use in the bladder, I'm unsure. > I'd really like some references if anybody has them, as to anybody who > has actually done this procedure, or postings from people who have > done it. As I had mentioned, I have a relative who, due to some kind of damage to his bladder, has to catheterize himself several times a day in order to void. This, of course, leads to a vulnerability to bladder infections. He has instilled home-made CS alone through the catheter using a syringe a number of times and seen rapid results. He takes CS daily as a preventative as well, so full blown bladder infections are relatively rare for him. Adding DMSO, at the appropriate concentration, would be simple. > It was the first post on this list that really frustrated me--saying > there is a very successful treatment but then putting up all these > caveats. He also ened the post by saying that "We are informed that, > historically, physicians have favorable results." Can somebody tell > me, who is "we" and who informed them? It's best to direct your frustration toward the regulatory regime that forces all of us to walk on eggshells for fear of being accused of unlicensed practice of medicine. The penalties are no laughing matter. Neither major party seems inclined to do anything to improve the situation (speaking of the US, of course). > This post was from Brooks. Is he part of a research group himself. > Whoever informed him of the positive results might be able to give me > more information or put me in touch with the physicians themselves. Yep, you got it. I think there's already enough information published to yield the references you're looking for. Check with www.dmso.org and get the book(s) by Stanley Jacobs and his collaborators. > TIA. Frankly, I like the idea of ozone gas which is also broad
CS>question again on bladder
A while back we were discussing bladder infections. Brooks Bradley said that colloidal silver plus DMSO could be instilled in the bladder. He said "We have found that utilizing DMSO mixed with CS produces a very acceptable control response." When I inquired on more information, I was upset by his response. He told me "We are a research group"--I guess he means the silver list. "I cannot olunteer the exact methodologies utilised by our experimenters" etc. Why not? Who are the experimenters? How are we supposed to help each other if we don't know the exact methods, and how quickly those people improved? He suggested finding a doctor willing to do this--I don't know any such doctors. He said "Your physician should be quite capable of performing this..." Actually, most physicians, both primary and alternative, that I know of do not catheterize people. Urologists do it. Maybe gynecologists do sometimes, who knows. In addition, I began to wonder about the sterility of the CS. Tho CS is antimicobrial, even so, you should be using a completely sterile solution instilling anything in the bladder. Storebought or homemade CS is not necessarily sterile in the sense of instilling it or injecting it. DMSO comes in a sterile bottle (RIMSO does anyway). I'd really like some references if anybody has them, as to anybody who has actually done this procedure, or postings from people who have done it. It was the first post on this list that really frustrated me--saying there is a very successful treatment but then putting up all these caveats. He also ened the post by saying that "We are informed that, historically, physicians have favorable results." Can somebody tell me, who is "we" and who informed them? This post was from Brooks. Is he part of a research group himself. Whoever informed him of the positive results might be able to give me more information or put me in touch with the physicians themselves. TIA. Frankly, I like the idea of ozone gas which is also broad spectrum antimicrobial and penetrates tissues, better than the above approach but I'd like to know who does it, or has done it, or have some more specific information to research it. Thanx.
Re: CS>Re: Niacin
Yes, though I thought the "non-flushing" form was niacinamide. It has been years since I messed around with it, and I may have forgotten the name. I am now taking a B-complex with only 50 mg of niacinamide in it, and seem to be ok after 2 days. We'll see. The reaction is usually quite fast after ingestion, so I'm guessing this one doesn't bother me. It would be much easier if I didn't have to take each factor of the Bs separately which I had been doing to avoid the niacin. sol Denise Every wrote: very hot and itchy.Extremely unpleasant and can last for a very long time (24 or more hours). > Does the type of niacin that's supposed to be non-flushing also create that effect in you? Denise -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave
Let's move this discussion to the Off Topic list, please. Just re-post your question to silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com ... You can read messages on the OT list at the OT archives at the address in the footer at the bottom of this message. Mike Devour silver-list owner > I believe in new world order that said I wonder where you get this > notion that Germany was forced into the war please explain. - > Original Message - From: "Jim Holmes" To: > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: > RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave > > > > The Nuremberg Trials were rigged. Just a couple of issues: > > > > German officials were forced to sign confessions written in English, > > that they could not read. > > > > German members of the Board of Directors of I.G. Farben, a socialized > > Corporation held to be guild of war crimes were tried and convicted. > > American members of the same Board who served at the same time during > > WWII were never charged. > > > > Francis Parker Yockey, an American Lawyer, refused to participate in > > that travesty of justice, and was eventually imprisoned and died in > > prison under mysterious circumstances. > > > > Further, the Germans tried desperately to avoid the war; it was thrust > > upon them by England, as part of the N.W.O. plan that is now coming to > > fruition. > > > > Nothing is as it appears. > > > > Him is right. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:38 AM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave > > > > > > It's not the leaders who are at fault. It's the followers. > > > > Remember the Nuremberg Trials? > > > > They were only following the law. > > > > Forcing someone to do something is Wrong, law or not. > > > > Why not learn to make our own judgments...and it's not > > even necessary to 'fight the law' to do it. > > > > stuff > > > > At 07:34 PM 3/8/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > > >>I should point out that NO Dr. will administer a vaccine at gun > >>pointso..it is NOT his fault. If a law passes that requires > >>everyone > > to > >>have a vaccine by law (as some suggest will be on our NEW National ID > >>card) then the person will be forced to get the vaccine. Again the > >>Dr. is only following the law. If we wish to stop this > >>insanity...then we need to address these issues with those we > >>elect Due Process I'm told it is. > >> > >> > >>-Original Message- > >>From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] > >>Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:25 PM > >>To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >>Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave > >> > >>Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy, but I have one > >>comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information > >>about health issues: be sure that any "attacks" do not invite or > >>advocate violence. > >> > >>I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur > >>posted on the the Matrixcide web site.The author of this sometimes > >>highly intemperate essay at times clearly advocates physical violence > >>against MD's involved in vaccination programs.The author > >>unambiguously advocates shooting them. This is not a mere rhetorical > >>device or hyperbolic outburst; the author evidently is quite sincere > >>in advocating the deaths of those who would impose vaccination. He > >>makes this statement several times in the essay. > >> > >>I note that the author of the essay is NOT the person running the web > >>site. Nevertheless, it seems to me that a person who posts such > >>advocacy without taking the trouble to distance himself from such > >>comments runs the risk of being seen as a potential source of violence > >>himself. Further, I know that experts in bioterrorism are > >>extremely worried about public hysteria in the event of an > >>epidemic/pandemic, and worry about necessary measures for quarantining > >>those whose refusal to follow epidemiological guidelines might imperil > >>others.This whole issue is a can of ugly, writhing, toxic snakes, > >>and even the best people in the field can come to differing > >>conclusions about the proper course of action in an emergency. The > >>point here is simple, though: if I were among these folks, essays > >>advocating the murder of doctors would make me very worried indeed. > >>I would want law enforcement people to keep an eye on those advocating > >>such actions. > >> > >>In summary, I think that the misdeeds of doctors, politicians, and > >>anyone doing wrong need to be exposed. However, those who advocate > >>violence are very likely to do great harm to their own cause, and to > >>bring unwanted attention to themselves and others associated with > >>them. > >> > >>I think Mr. Devour should be aware of this aspect of the web site that > >>has brought about the controversy. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On Tuesday, Mar 8, 2005, at 12:49 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Dev
Re: CS>heart disease and high blood pressure
In a message dated 3/11/2005 6:27:21 PM Central Standard Time, fkill...@bayou.com writes: in less than three weeks of taking Red Yeast Rice it came down 30 points. I guess I missed the original post. Can you purchase Red Yeast Rice at the HFS? MA
Re: CS>Red Yeast Rice & Cholesterol
This rationale is typical "GOV-SPEAK". A logical and rational mind might question that if they found a way to extract the active ingredients of Red Yeast Rice (or Caffeine from coffee), are they entitled to patent the product ((Mevacor and [Caffeine]) and have it approved as a drug? An Engineer's best regards, Al - Original Message - From: Denise Every To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: CS>Red Yeast Rice & Cholesterol <<<>>> I did a quick search and red yeast rice is still being sold, I found it on multiple sites, Vitamin Shoppe being one. I did find an article on WholeHealthMD.com that mentions the FDA withdrawing it, it said, "In 2001, however, red yeast rice extract, a "natural" unregulated nutritional supplement, was withdrawn by the FDA. This decision followed the agency's determination that it was chemically too similar to the prescription statin medication Mevacor, and thus should be classified as a "drug," which by law is strictly controlled by the federal government." But I don't know what the date of this article is, the web site has a copyright date of 2000... maybe the FDA took some other action since and reversed its 2001 decision? Denise
CS>Help for Rat with Inner Ear Infection
I have a young rat with an inner ear infection (shes walking in circles). I had been giving her CS in her drinking water because she came to us sneezing. After the sneezing cleared up, she developed this head tilt. I put one drop of a CS, Oregano Oil, Grapefruit Seed Oil mix that my local health food store sells into the ear tonight. Does anyone have any other ideas to help this baby kick this infection ASAP? Thanks, Raine
Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave
I believe in new world order that said I wonder where you get this notion that Germany was forced into the war please explain. - Original Message - From: "Jim Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave The Nuremberg Trials were rigged. Just a couple of issues: German officials were forced to sign confessions written in English, that they could not read. German members of the Board of Directors of I.G. Farben, a socialized Corporation held to be guild of war crimes were tried and convicted. American members of the same Board who served at the same time during WWII were never charged. Francis Parker Yockey, an American Lawyer, refused to participate in that travesty of justice, and was eventually imprisoned and died in prison under mysterious circumstances. Further, the Germans tried desperately to avoid the war; it was thrust upon them by England, as part of the N.W.O. plan that is now coming to fruition. Nothing is as it appears. Him is right. -Original Message- From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:38 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave It's not the leaders who are at fault. It's the followers. Remember the Nuremberg Trials? They were only following the law. Forcing someone to do something is Wrong, law or not. Why not learn to make our own judgments...and it's not even necessary to 'fight the law' to do it. stuff At 07:34 PM 3/8/2005 -0700, you wrote: I should point out that NO Dr. will administer a vaccine at gun pointso..it is NOT his fault. If a law passes that requires everyone to have a vaccine by law (as some suggest will be on our NEW National ID card) then the person will be forced to get the vaccine. Again the Dr. is only following the law. If we wish to stop this insanity...then we need to address these issues with those we elect Due Process I'm told it is. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Dan Nave Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy, but I have one comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information about health issues: be sure that any "attacks" do not invite or advocate violence. I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur posted on the the Matrixcide web site.The author of this sometimes highly intemperate essay at times clearly advocates physical violence against MD's involved in vaccination programs.The author unambiguously advocates shooting them. This is not a mere rhetorical device or hyperbolic outburst; the author evidently is quite sincere in advocating the deaths of those who would impose vaccination. He makes this statement several times in the essay. I note that the author of the essay is NOT the person running the web site. Nevertheless, it seems to me that a person who posts such advocacy without taking the trouble to distance himself from such comments runs the risk of being seen as a potential source of violence himself. Further, I know that experts in bioterrorism are extremely worried about public hysteria in the event of an epidemic/pandemic, and worry about necessary measures for quarantining those whose refusal to follow epidemiological guidelines might imperil others.This whole issue is a can of ugly, writhing, toxic snakes, and even the best people in the field can come to differing conclusions about the proper course of action in an emergency. The point here is simple, though: if I were among these folks, essays advocating the murder of doctors would make me very worried indeed. I would want law enforcement people to keep an eye on those advocating such actions. In summary, I think that the misdeeds of doctors, politicians, and anyone doing wrong need to be exposed. However, those who advocate violence are very likely to do great harm to their own cause, and to bring unwanted attention to themselves and others associated with them. I think Mr. Devour should be aware of this aspect of the web site that has brought about the controversy. On Tuesday, Mar 8, 2005, at 12:49 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: > Dan's charges that John Rigby's use of the list represents... > > "... an anti-establishment political philosophy..." > > "... an attack on Doctors, Politicians, and the System..." -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming mess
