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RE: CS> From: Jim Holmes Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:16:11 > Some of these do not ring true to me, particularly the one on > pelvic inflammatory disease. That is a widely disseminated > condition. I do not see how a couple of douches could reach the > entire pelvic area. > The whole report seems bogus to my intuitive BS sensors. > Let's see the detailed hospital reports, Biotech. > Jim Bravo, Jim. I applaud your scepticism. It would be nice to see a bit more rigorous proof of some of the claims that float through here. I am a little concerned about uniformly good results with only 10ppm. I want to see some failures at that concentration. Some of the condditions sound pretty serious for such small doses. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>high ppm CS experiment, was Re: CS>CS site
Re: CS>high ppm CS experiment, was Re: CS>CS site From: sol Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:44:13 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78777.html > Mike, > I have in previous years run a couple of other high ppm batches > (all were pints, as the one below was), but don't have records on > those. > It does seem to me that going above 15 or 20 ppm introduces a lot > more variables into the process, or perhaps it is just inherently > more susceptible to minute variables or water or air contaminants > with larger batch sizes. The particular batch below is the only > one of about 3 high ppm batches I've made that turned out clear. > What do you mean by "poison the electrodes" ? > I will be doing some more batches of high ppm, and will try to > keep better notes. I am writing to David too. And can post results > either to the list or privately. > sol Thanks very much for your help, sol. Yes, I found getting to 20uS is reasonably easy, then it seems to hit a brick wall. Every increment in performance becomes twice as difficult. The water has a lot to do with it, but I have no idea what it could be. I was sure David's results with demineralized water would prove to be in error, but he easily passed every test I could throw at him. His PWT reading of 53uS was astounding to me. Also note he uses magnetic stirring, and I believe you have thermal. This shows the high PWT readings are possible under very different conditions, so the process may turn out to be quite robust. Some time ago, I reported an extremely hard and very black coating on the electrodes that would not come off even when I tried scraping. The WalMart dw suddenly changed, and the cs started behaving very strange. This was an attempt to kill mold spores in my blankets, and I was adding H2O2 to convert any oxides to ions to gain a bit more strength. When I added the H2O2, the 4 litre jar instantly turned brilliant yellow, then white. It was like a miniature atomic explosion. It took a lot of H2O2 to turn the solution clear again. After I found better dw, I noticed the hard coating on the cathode starting to disappear. It took 7 or 8 brews, swapping the electrodes each time, to finally remove the coating. That's what I meant by "poisoning" the electrodes. The topic of high uS may be of great help to others. I made my first batch of 44.9uS cs on March 4. Three weeks later, on March 20, about half the symptoms from mold toxins have disappeared. I was taking 20uS cs for years with no effect, but increasing the strength has really made a difference. My new cs generator works, but it uses fairly high voltage that could be lethal, and would be difficult for many people to duplicate. It would be wonderful to find a simpler process that anyone could use, and even better if it utilized a readily available and well known product. Please post results to the list so all those who may be interested can view them. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Some of these do not ring true to me, particularly the one on pelvic inflammatory disease. That is a widely disseminated condition. I do not see how a couple of douches could reach the entire pelvic area. The whole report seems bogus to my intuitive BS sensors. Let's see the detailed hospital reports, Biotech. Jim -Original Message- From: V [mailto:zon...@expo-net.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS> Summary Report of the First African Human Trials of American Biotech Labs? Silver Biotics? The Hospitals The first series of 58 trials was accomplished at three (3) hospitals in Ghana, West Africa. The three hospitals were: the Air Force Station Hospital under the direction of Dr. Kwabiah, The Korie-Bu Teaching Hospital under the direction of Dr. Sackey, and the Justab Clinic/Maternity under the direction of Dr. Abraham. Diversity Of Use Silver Biotics? was tried on a wide diversity of human problems, including malaria, upper respiratory tract infections, urinary tract infections, sinusitis infections, vaginal yeast infections, eye, nose and ear infections, cuts and fungal skin infections and even for sexually transmitted diseases like gonorrhea etc. Silver Biotics? was used as both an internal and external antibiotic alternative. The Product All treatments were performed using the American Biotech Labs? Silver Biotics? at a strength of 10 parts per million. Summary Data The data will summarize the type of human ailment the product was used to treat, the average time it took to see signs of recovery, average time under treatment to obtain full recovery (as deemed by the doctors), and the average dosage used during the time of treatment. The Results Abdominal Pain & Diarrhea: One patient was diagnosed with this condition. The patient received 10 ml. (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics? three times in one day. The patient was reported fully recovered in 1 day. Bronchitis: Two patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients were given 5 ml (one teaspoon) of Silver Biotics? twice daily. Both patients showed signs of recovery within 1-2 days and both were reported fully recovered within 3 days. Candida Vaginal Yeast Infection: Five patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics? twice daily as a vaginal douche. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5.6 days. Conjunctivitis (Eye Infection): Two patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received several drops of Silver Biotics? in the infected eye, twice daily. Both patients were reported fully recovered within 1 day. External Cuts & Infection: Six patients were diagnosed with this condition. The conditions included: Staph skin infections, septic ulcers, and infected abscesses. The patients received 5 ml of Silver Biotics? twice daily. The patients showed signs of recovery within an average of 2.16 days and were reported fully recovered within an average of 3 days. External Otitis (Ear Infection): Six patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received two drops of Silver Biotics? in the infected ear three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery within an average of 1.66 days and were reported fully recovered within an average of 3.5 days. Otitis Media (Middle Ear Infection): One patient was diagnosed with this condition. The patient received 2 drops of Silver Biotics? in the infected ear, three times daily. The patient showed signs of recovery in 2 days and was reported fully recovered in 4 days. Fungal Skin Infection: Two patients were diagnosed with fungal skin infections. The patients received 10 ml of Silver Biotics? three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 4.5 days and were reported fully recovered in 8 days. Gonorrhea: Two patients were diagnosed as having gonorrhea. The patients received 10ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics? two times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3.5 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 6 days. Malaria: Eleven patients were diagnosed as having malaria. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics? three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 2.4 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5 days. Mouth Problems: Two patients were diagnosed as having mouth problems. One case was gingivitis and the other was halitosis. Both patients were given Silver Biotics? as a mouth wash. The case of gingivitis was reported recovered in 3 days. The case of halitosis was reported recovered in 1 day. Pelvic Inflammatory Disease: One patient was diagnosed with this disease. The patient received 5 ml of Silver Biotics? (one teaspoon) two times daily as a vaginal douche. The patient showed signs of recovery in 2 days and was reported
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Silver Biotics - American Biotech Labs "Powerful Technology Creating Advanced Body & Wound Care" Executive Summary Introduction Clifton Mining Company owns 27% of American Biotech Labs, a private biotech company. American Biotech Labs has created an advanced antimicrobial technology utilizing silver as the active ingredient. Using this new patented technology, American Biotech Labs (ABL) has engineered a number of new products. Some of these new products have already hit the market, others are awaiting government approvals. Two patents have already been issued on the new technology and numerous other patents are pending, including both product and use patents. ABL has products that are being sold internationally in a number of countries. ABL has been and is involved in numerous product studies with U.S. Government agencies, major universities, and also both domestic and international laboratories. To date, ABL has released data on two products and a third anticipated to be released shortly. The products include; a fully-approved hospital disinfectant called ASAP-AGX-32®; a 10 ppm supplement product sold under both the ASAP Solution® and also Silver Biotics® labels; and a new product yet to be released called AGX-SILGEL®, which is an advanced wound care product. ASAP-AGX-32® The ASAP-AGX-32® product is a fully EPA-approved surface disinfectant product. The product is non-caustic, has no color, no smell, and needs no refrigeration. To date the ASAP-AGX-32® product is approved for use in: * Hospital operating rooms. * Any medical facility. * Industrial facilities. * Commercial facilities. * Residential or home uses. The ASAP-AGX-32® is approved to kill: * Gram-negative bacteria (i.e. Salmonella choleraesuis). * Gram-positive bacteria (i.e. Staphylococcus aureus)(called the deadliest bacteria in the U.S.). * Nosocomial bacteria pathogen (i.e. Pseudomonas aeruginosa)(known as "hospital super bugs"). Other Important Features And Information Regarding The ASAP-AGX-32® Product * ABL has continued its testing of the ASAP-AGX-32® product with the intent to further expand its disinfectant uses. Preliminary microbial testing that has been completed, but for which the product has not yet been governmentally approved, includes resistant bacteria (called superbugs)and even possible bioweapons, including: MRSA 1, MRSA 2, Anthrax, Y. Pestis or Bubonic Plague, five different pathogenic strains of Streptococcus, E. coli, Salmonella, yeasts and even a number of deadly viruses including SARS, etc. * One of the outstanding features of the ASAP-AGX-32® product is that it has the proven ability to be a broad-spectrum antimicrobial, while remaining completely non-toxic to humans at recommended use levels. Because of this strategic advantage, American Biotech Labs management decided to extend this extraordinary technology into new medical applications, by using the ASAP-AGX-32® as the base for creating a new burn and wound-care product. Through extensive research and testing over the past year-and-a-half, the company has developed the powerful ASAP- AGX-32® product into the new AGX SILGEL® product. The testing and efficacy work has already been completed on the AGX SILGEL® product. Silver Biotics ® Silver Biotics® is the national marketing label for the product also known as the ASAP Solution®. It is an anti-microbial mineral supplement that has been and is being tested worldwide in human studies, against pathogens and diseases. It has been EPA approved as a surface disinfectant but is not currently being marketed under that label. The product is currently marketed in a number of countries worldwide and is also available under private labels. Of special interest are three completed human studies from Africa, which include the oral use of the product against Malaria. Malaria is currently listed as the second leading cause of death by infection on the planet. It currently effects hundreds of millions of people worldwide. Malaria reportedly kills as many as 10,000 people a day in Africa, mostly children. In the three completed human studies, the product has shown great promise as an effective and low-cost treatment for the disease. Further testing is already underway in two countries of Africa. ABL is working with a number of international humanitarian groups that may be able to use the product to help people in the countries where it is needed. AGX SILGEL® The AGX SILGEL® product is a highly advanced wound-care product. It has been filed for approval with the US FDA for a number of wound-care treatments. It is expected that the product will be approved for sale by the FDA in 2005. The AGX SILGEL® product was created with all the antimicrobial Killing ability of the ASAP-AGX-32® product, but with some additional strategic advantages. Advantages of the AGX SILGEL® Product * AGX SILGEL® is a proven broad-spectrum anti-microbial. * AGX SILGEL® is
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V This is great. Where did you get this? Is it brand new? David CS> * From: V (view other messages by this author) * Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:07:22 Summary Report of the First African Human Trials of American Biotech Labs í Silver Bioticsô The Hospitals The first series of 58 trials was accomplished at three (3) hospitals in Gh ana, West Africa. The three hospitals were: the Air Force Station Hospital under the direction of Dr. Kwabiah, The Korie-Bu Teaching Hospital under th e direction of Dr. Sackey, and the Justab Clinic/Maternity under the direct ion of Dr. Abraham. Diversity Of Use Silver Bioticsô was tried on a wide diversity of human problems, includin g malaria, upper respiratory tract infections, urinary tract infections, si nusitis infections, vaginal yeast infections, eye, nose and ear infections, cuts and fungal skin infections and even for sexually transmitted diseases like gonorrhea etc. Silver Bioticsô was used as both an internal and ext ernal antibiotic alternative. The Product All treatments were performed using the American Biotech Labsí Silver Bio ticsô at a strength of 10 parts per million. Summary Data The data will summarize the type of human ailment the product was used to t reat, the average time it took to see signs of recovery, average time under treatment to obtain full recovery (as deemed by the doctors), and the aver age dosage used during the time of treatment. The Results Abdominal Pain & Diarrhea: One patient was diagnosed with this condition. T he patient received 10 ml. (two teaspoons) of Silver Bioticsô three times in one day. The patient was reported fully recovered in 1 day. Bronchitis: Two patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients w ere given 5 ml (one teaspoon) of Silver Bioticsô twice daily. Both patien ts showed signs of recovery within 1-2 days and both were reported fully re covered within 3 days. Candida Vaginal Yeast Infection: Five patients were diagnosed with this con dition. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Bioticsô tw ice daily as a vaginal douche. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5.6 da ys. Conjunctivitis (Eye Infection): Two patients were diagnosed with this condi tion. The patients received several drops of Silver Bioticsô in the infec ted eye, twice daily. Both patients were reported fully recovered within 1 day. External Cuts & Infection: Six patients were diagnosed with this condition. The conditions included: Staph skin infections, septic ulcers, and infecte d abscesses. The patients received 5 ml of Silver Bioticsô twice daily. T he patients showed signs of recovery within an average of 2.16 days and wer e reported fully recovered within an average of 3 days. External Otitis (Ear Infection): Six patients were diagnosed with this cond ition. The patients received two drops of Silver Bioticsô in the infected ear three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery within an ave rage of 1.66 days and were reported fully recovered within an average of 3. 5 days. Otitis Media (Middle Ear Infection): One patient was diagnosed with this co ndition. The patient received 2 drops of Silver Bioticsô in the infected ear, three times daily. The patient showed signs of recovery in 2 days and was reported fully recovered in 4 days. Fungal Skin Infection: Two patients were diagnosed with fungal skin infecti ons. The patients received 10 ml of Silver Bioticsô three times daily. Th e patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 4.5 days and were repo rted fully recovered in 8 days. Gonorrhea: Two patients were diagnosed as having gonorrhea. The patients re ceived 10ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Bioticsô two times daily. The patie nts showed signs of recovery in an average of 3.5 days and were reported fu lly recovered in an average of 6 days. Malaria: Eleven patients were diagnosed as having malaria. The patients rec eived 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Bioticsô three times daily. The pat ients showed signs of recovery in an average of 2.4 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5 days. Mouth Problems: Two patients were diagnosed as having mouth problems. One c ase was gingivitis and the other was halitosis. Both patients were given Si lver Bioticsô as a mouth wash. The case of gingivitis was reported recove red in 3 days. The case of halitosis was reported recovered in 1 day. Pelvic Inflammatory Disease: One patient was diagnosed with this disease. T he patient received 5 ml of Silver Bioticsô (one teaspoon) two times dail y as a vaginal douche. The patient showed signs of recovery in 2 days and w as reported fully recovered in 5 days. Pharyngitis (Sore Throat): Four patients were diagnosed with pharyngitis. T he patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Bioticsô, three time s daily as a gargle. The patients s
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Oh good, Another Mike fight! Ya gotta love 'em where's my popcorn... Chuck Mercifully free of the ravages of intelligence . On 3/23/2005 7:14:38 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: > Mike Monett wrote: > > Frank has a lot of misleading statements designed to instill fear in > > > newbies. > > > We would be most interested to get details on > "statements designed to > instill fear". > > > > These marketing methods are bound to backfire. For example, > > > there are several reports in the silver list archives where people > > > have tried his product and found it > doesn't work. > > ... yet, here are the stories from hundreds of users -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi G, Skin peeling on feet and hands could be internal parasites. If in contact with animals then it would be prudent to de-worm everyone every 3 months. Tony On 22 Mar 2005 at 17:14, G & K Murray wrote about : Subject : CS>kids with skin peeling > Hi Everyone, > > What would cause skin to constantly peel around the finger tips palms > and soles of feet? > > Is there other causes than fungal implications? > > My children have been plagued with this problem for a long time. I > have thought about diet but their diets are about as night and day as > they can be. I have a 9 yr old daughter that loves all things > carbohydrate and sugar and salmon. The other, 8yr old son, could care > less about sweets and loves fruit, vegies, bones ( his version of any > meat on the bone) and muffins. A Fairly healthy eater. I do suspect > candida with the one, the other can eat till the cow comes home and > won't seem to gain an ounce.The son seems to have some nasal > problems and both have a bad rash usually every winter all over their > backs. Dry little red bumps, almost like a fine sand paper. My son's > hair does not grow hardly at all. It seems to be agravated by the > laundry soap so we have been trying different soaps but may have to > resort to what they uses as a body wash in the bath ( Soft Soap aloe > vera) Seems to be the only thing they doesn't react to.Amway's > LOC does good, too, but I don't have a supplier for that any more. > > My son seems to always suffer from canker soars in his mouth. Right > now they both have a form of cold sore. My daughter's lower lip > burst out with a huge one or several all together, and my son has a > form of one that keeps popping out on his nose every 3-4 months. The > Dr. says that he needs to use some real expensive anti - viral salve > on it but he just soaks it with colloidal silver and it seems to take > away the infection right away. but they still take several days to go > away. > > A I am going to see if they will soak their hands in some H2O2 but not > sure how long they will have to soak. They use Colloidal Silver for > almost all that hurts. They are very good about asking for it. I > will see if it will clear it up, but I am interested to get to the > root of the problem. I am thinking maybe trying an intestinal cleanse > and some liver cleanses, but not sure how to proceed with children at > this age. > > G Murray -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Summary Report of the First African Human Trials of American Biotech Labs Silver Biotics The Hospitals The first series of 58 trials was accomplished at three (3) hospitals in Ghana, West Africa. The three hospitals were: the Air Force Station Hospital under the direction of Dr. Kwabiah, The Korie-Bu Teaching Hospital under the direction of Dr. Sackey, and the Justab Clinic/Maternity under the direction of Dr. Abraham. Diversity Of Use Silver Biotics was tried on a wide diversity of human problems, including malaria, upper respiratory tract infections, urinary tract infections, sinusitis infections, vaginal yeast infections, eye, nose and ear infections, cuts and fungal skin infections and even for sexually transmitted diseases like gonorrhea etc. Silver Biotics was used as both an internal and external antibiotic alternative. The Product All treatments were performed using the American Biotech Labs Silver Biotics at a strength of 10 parts per million. Summary Data The data will summarize the type of human ailment the product was used to treat, the average time it took to see signs of recovery, average time under treatment to obtain full recovery (as deemed by the doctors), and the average dosage used during the time of treatment. The Results Abdominal Pain & Diarrhea: One patient was diagnosed with this condition. The patient received 10 ml. (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics three times in one day. The patient was reported fully recovered in 1 day. Bronchitis: Two patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients were given 5 ml (one teaspoon) of Silver Biotics twice daily. Both patients showed signs of recovery within 1-2 days and both were reported fully recovered within 3 days. Candida Vaginal Yeast Infection: Five patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics twice daily as a vaginal douche. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5.6 days. Conjunctivitis (Eye Infection): Two patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received several drops of Silver Biotics in the infected eye, twice daily. Both patients were reported fully recovered within 1 day. External Cuts & Infection: Six patients were diagnosed with this condition. The conditions included: Staph skin infections, septic ulcers, and infected abscesses. The patients received 5 ml of Silver Biotics twice daily. The patients showed signs of recovery within an average of 2.16 days and were reported fully recovered within an average of 3 days. External Otitis (Ear Infection): Six patients were diagnosed with this condition. The patients received two drops of Silver Biotics in the infected ear three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery within an average of 1.66 days and were reported fully recovered within an average of 3.5 days. Otitis Media (Middle Ear Infection): One patient was diagnosed with this condition. The patient received 2 drops of Silver Biotics in the infected ear, three times daily. The patient showed signs of recovery in 2 days and was reported fully recovered in 4 days. Fungal Skin Infection: Two patients were diagnosed with fungal skin infections. The patients received 10 ml of Silver Biotics three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 4.5 days and were reported fully recovered in 8 days. Gonorrhea: Two patients were diagnosed as having gonorrhea. The patients received 10ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics two times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3.5 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 6 days. Malaria: Eleven patients were diagnosed as having malaria. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 2.4 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5 days. Mouth Problems: Two patients were diagnosed as having mouth problems. One case was gingivitis and the other was halitosis. Both patients were given Silver Biotics as a mouth wash. The case of gingivitis was reported recovered in 3 days. The case of halitosis was reported recovered in 1 day. Pelvic Inflammatory Disease: One patient was diagnosed with this disease. The patient received 5 ml of Silver Biotics (one teaspoon) two times daily as a vaginal douche. The patient showed signs of recovery in 2 days and was reported fully recovered in 5 days. Pharyngitis (Sore Throat): Four patients were diagnosed with pharyngitis. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics, three times daily as a gargle. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3.75 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5.25 days. Retro Viral Infection, HIV: One patient was diagnosed with a retro viral infection. The patient
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I expect you're referring to: A plague o' both your houses! William Shakespeare, "Romeo and Juliet" Chuck My mind works like lightningOne brilliant flash and it is gone. On 3/23/2005 2:04:27 PM, Arnold Beland (abela...@comcast.net) wrote: > Mike writes: > > > > "Ionic? Particulate? Most varieties of what we call "CS" are a mixture > of both ions and colloidal particles. Both fractions contribute to it's > effectiveness. So what's the problem, eh?" > > > > "A pox on both their houses." > > > > One free ounce of 12 gauge silver to the first lister who posts the > > origin of this statement. With references, please. > > > > Best regards, > > Arnold Beland > > www.atlasnova.com > > > % -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>high ppm CS experiment, was Re: CS>CS site
Mike, I have in previous years run a couple of other high ppm batches (all were pints, as the one below was), but don't have records on those. It does seem to me that going above 15 or 20 ppm introduces a lot more variables into the process, or perhaps it is just inherently more susceptible to minute variables or water or air contaminants with larger batch sizes. The particular batch below is the only one of about 3 high ppm batches I've made that turned out clear. What do you mean by "poison the electrodes" ? I will be doing some more batches of high ppm, and will try to keep better notes. I am writing to David too. And can post results either to the list or privately. sol Mike Monett wrote: I tried repeating his process using a local supplier of demineralized water, but it was not as good as his and I terminated the experiment for fear I might poison the electrodes. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi Denise Again, Yes, we have been trying to get the EFA's in. I have been researching all these things. They do take a multi-vit and and a product called Bio-Silver. A sea vegetable product by Vita Plus out of Las Vegas. G Murray Denise Every wrote: I'm wondering if there might be some nutritional imbalance/deficiency here, whether it is vitamin, mineral, or essential fatty acids I couldn't say, but would be inclined to think EFAs first... I don't know what you've researched in terms of nutrition, or what their complete diets entail, obviously, but am just posing the suggestion to maybe try to see if it could be something they're missing in their diet. Lots of fruits and veggies can be good, but could also be too much of a good thing, for example, if it is displacing needed proteins and fats. Growing kids in particular really need essential fatty acids for their brain growth, these are the omega 3's... if for example they are on a lower fat kind of diet, they might not be getting enough of the fat-soluble vitamins, A, E, D, and K. Again, I don't know if they are or not, am just suggesting these as possible avenues to explore for causes. Denise-- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi Denise, I will be looking for both when I can get to the HFS. Thanks, G Murray Denise Every wrote: I'll second this... and will also mention that I noticed it being sold in a cream form at a local HFS the other day, it might be worth a try as well as taking it orally. Denise - Original Message - From: "TC" You mentioned cold sores or canker sores. Both these respond to generous quantities (5-10,000 mg/day) of lysine, an amino acid. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Silver-Colloids responds
Marshall Can you comment on the ammonia/silver relationship in the body regarding the impossibility of ionic Ag having any effect in the body? TIA Jim -Original Message- From: Info [mailto:in...@www.silver-colloids.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Silver-Colloids responds Mike Monett wrote: > > Frank has a lot of misleading statements designed to instill fear in > newbies. We would be most interested to get details on "statements designed to instill fear". These marketing methods are bound to backfire. For example, > there are several reports in the silver list archives where people > have tried his product and found it doesn't work. ... yet, here are the stories from hundreds of users who will tell you otherwise: http://colloidforum.com/phpBB/index.php > Also, Steve Quinto recently published a time-kill analysis of > Frank's Mesosilver that shows Mesosilver has no killing power. You > can see the results at The Quinto time-kill analysis are performed using test procedures designed for disinfectants where the product is used at full strength. Unless you intend to replace your blood with colloidal silver the results are not representative of what you can expect in the human body. For pathogen challenge test results that were produced using silver concentrations that can actually be achieved in the bloodstream see: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html It seems the pathogen tests published by ionic silver producers are done at full strength, not diluted to levels achievable in-vivo. To say the results are misleading in the extreme is an understatement. Challenge tests performed using ionic silver products do not produce results that are noticeable different. We believe that ionic cannot exist in the human body because no scientist has ever proven the existence of ionic silver in human blood serum. > http://tinyurl.com/3qb4v This refers to a page on the Natural Immunogenics website. This is the same company that promotes their ionic silver product by the use of TEM images. Unfortunately, TEM images of ionic silver products do not show the particles that are contained in the ionic silver, only particles of silver oxide that are produced as an artifact of the sample preparation. For details on why this is so, see: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html The use of TEM image of any liquid containing metal ions would be virtually useless. > His report on Transmission Electron Microscope (TEM) images of cs is > quite good, but ignore all the chemistry equations he gives. They > are all unbalanced and incorrect. There are no chemistry equations presented on the page, only a table of the Ratio of the Number of Ag2O to Ag Particles. The table was prepared by Dr. Maass, a professor of physical chemistry. I am sure Dr. Maass would be interested to hear about any errors in the table. > And the product reports are very useful. Disregard the accuracy he > claims in his measurements. Numbers stated to two decimal places is > rubbish. We understand this to mean the Mike Monett does not know how to make accurate measurements of silver concentration and therefore assumes no one else does either. The measurements were performed using a state of the are ICP/AES using deferential techniques that are able to produce reliable and accurate results by using long measurement integration times. The instrument operator has received certification from the Varian factory training school on the use of the instrument and has years of lab experience in atomic emission spectroscopy. I am wondering what qualifications Mike Monett may posses in the field of atomic spectroscopy such that he can declare the measurements to be "rubbish". Frank Key Colloidal Science Laboratory, Inc. www.colloidalsciencelab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>kids with skin peeling
Hi Bamboo Chik, Thanks, I was looking for the dosage that I could give the kids for Vit A as I know it can be toxic. They do get yogurt fairly often in their school lunches and freeze it at home and eat like popsicles. I suppose that might kill a few? We try to cut the sugar, but the one child never lets us know about her treats. They are good about pop. When having a choice for pop, they will usually choose water. Thanks for your info, G Murray Bamboo Chik wrote: I agree with the nutritional supplements. As a clinical nutritionist, I have seen problems such as you describe in children clear up quickly with added A as well as B-complex. It is important to monitor the Vitamin A as it can be toxic in too large a dose. A good regime is 25,000 I.U. a day, for three months, then 10,000 for a month, then back to 25,000 for three months. (ages 8 and up) After symptoms abate you can just make sure that they take a good complete multi-vitamin/mineral pill/liquid daily. I would strongly urge you to add yogurt and or kefir to their daily diet, making sure it has active cultures. (read label or make your own) I would also recommend cutting sugar way down as these empty calories quickly fill up children so that they are less likely to eat the foods that are good for them. deb ***Make your words soft and sweet; you just may have to eat them someday. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>kids with skin peeling
Hi Terry, I have looked into lysine. I have been looking for the recommended daily dose, but I have not found a quality product here that would give methe proper dosage. I have found one with some lysine in it but it is mixed and only says it has lysine in it with no amounts listed. I am sceptical. Do you have a brand name as I do work in a pharmacy and maybe I can get them to bring it in? Who supplies it? Are you saying that they come in 1000mg capsules with 100 per bottle. That is only a 10-20 day supply. It would be very costly for a maintenance dose even. Give me some info and I'll get them to check it out. Thanks G Murray TC wrote: You mentioned cold sores or canker sores. Both these respond to generous quantities (5-10,000 mg/day) of lysine, an amino acid. I buy mine from a pharmaceutical supply house, much better price than any HF store. It has a very mild, slightly tangy taste, dissolves into any liquid, can be taken on an empty or full stomach. Ask a pharmacist if he can order it for you. Buy more than 100 grams (that's only the equivalent to 100 thousand-milligram capsules). Until I found CS, lysine was the only way I could control the cold-sore herpes that would break out all over my face several times per year. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS & MS
A woman called me the other day to order some CS. She said she had had MS for twoyears. She wasn't crippled, but had a fair amount of pain. Her father (who buys CS from me in 3-gallon quantities) gave her a gallon of CS. Over the course of the next month, she drank the gallon. By the end of the month of CS drinking, her pain disappeared. She went to her doctor and had an MRI done. The doctor told her she no longer had MS. She never wants to leave home without it now. Her father ordered a 10-gallon per hour CS maker (he says people are appearing out of the woodwork wanting CS!). Is this fun or what? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Silver-Colloids responds
Mike Monett wrote: Frank has a lot of misleading statements designed to instill fear in newbies. We would be most interested to get details on "statements designed to instill fear". These marketing methods are bound to backfire. For example, there are several reports in the silver list archives where people have tried his product and found it doesn't work. ... yet, here are the stories from hundreds of users who will tell you otherwise: http://colloidforum.com/phpBB/index.php Also, Steve Quinto recently published a time-kill analysis of Frank's Mesosilver that shows Mesosilver has no killing power. You can see the results at The Quinto time-kill analysis are performed using test procedures designed for disinfectants where the product is used at full strength. Unless you intend to replace your blood with colloidal silver the results are not representative of what you can expect in the human body. For pathogen challenge test results that were produced using silver concentrations that can actually be achieved in the bloodstream see: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html It seems the pathogen tests published by ionic silver producers are done at full strength, not diluted to levels achievable in-vivo. To say the results are misleading in the extreme is an understatement. Challenge tests performed using ionic silver products do not produce results that are noticeable different. We believe that ionic cannot exist in the human body because no scientist has ever proven the existence of ionic silver in human blood serum. http://tinyurl.com/3qb4v This refers to a page on the Natural Immunogenics website. This is the same company that promotes their ionic silver product by the use of TEM images. Unfortunately, TEM images of ionic silver products do not show the particles that are contained in the ionic silver, only particles of silver oxide that are produced as an artifact of the sample preparation. For details on why this is so, see: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html The use of TEM image of any liquid containing metal ions would be virtually useless. His report on Transmission Electron Microscope (TEM) images of cs is quite good, but ignore all the chemistry equations he gives. They are all unbalanced and incorrect. There are no chemistry equations presented on the page, only a table of the Ratio of the Number of Ag2O to Ag Particles. The table was prepared by Dr. Maass, a professor of physical chemistry. I am sure Dr. Maass would be interested to hear about any errors in the table. And the product reports are very useful. Disregard the accuracy he claims in his measurements. Numbers stated to two decimal places is rubbish. We understand this to mean the Mike Monett does not know how to make accurate measurements of silver concentration and therefore assumes no one else does either. The measurements were performed using a state of the are ICP/AES using deferential techniques that are able to produce reliable and accurate results by using long measurement integration times. The instrument operator has received certification from the Varian factory training school on the use of the instrument and has years of lab experience in atomic emission spectroscopy. I am wondering what qualifications Mike Monett may posses in the field of atomic spectroscopy such that he can declare the measurements to be "rubbish". Frank Key Colloidal Science Laboratory, Inc. www.colloidalsciencelab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>high ppm CS experiment, was Re: CS>CS site
CS>high ppm CS experiment, was Re: CS>CS site From: sol Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:53:12 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78758.html > A pint batch CS made the day before (to auto shut off) in my > Silverpuppy thermal stir generator was the basis of the > experiment. > 11-10-2004 I brewed it until the PWT read 50 uS then let it sit > overnight. > 11-11-2004 PWT reading is 30 uS > 11-12-2004 PWT reading 29 uS > 11-12-2004 brewed to PWT reading of 49 uS > It has been sitting since then in the jar it was brewed in, > covered of course. A couple of months ago it read 37.9 uS on the > PWT. Today it reads 37 uS > As it was on 11-12-2004 it is close to water clear. Not even close > to straw color. There has been a very minimal drop out to the > bottom of the jar. The CS has virtually no TE. The occasional > single sparkly is all that I can see in the laser beam. > Whatever I've got here, it is pretty stable, and has few or really > small particles, or so it seems? > sol Hi sol, You had mentioned your experiment before, and I was hoping you would give more information on it - Thanks! If there is little TE, especially when the lights are turned off, there are few particles larger than about 63nm. We know the current regulator is set to 1mA on the silverpuppy - David measured it recently and it was dead on. The Faraday calculation on his system showed about 150uS of silver was released, for a PWT reading of 53uS. It also dropped afterwards but I don't have the figures handy. I tried repeating his process using a local supplier of demineralized water, but it was not as good as his and I terminated the experiment for fear I might poison the electrodes. If you could take time from your busy schedule, could you repeat your experiment and keep track of the brew time, including any rest periods? Are you using a 250ml container? The information would be extremely valuable and help point the way to better understanding of the process. Thanks for your help! Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article
Very simply this! Roosevelt had to get the U. S. committed to war with the Axis powers to restore the economy. The occasional sinking of a U. S. ship by a German U-boot did not stir the passion required! We had copies of the Axis Enigma code machine and knew the Japanese were preparing a pre-emptive strike on the Pacific Fleet based in Pearl. He had checked with his top Naval Brass and Billy Mitchell's demonstration notwithstanding, they assured him (the President) that there was no way the Japanese could do significant damage to the heavily armored cruisers and battleships, but the aircraft carriers were a different kettle of fish! They were ordered on a Top Secret maneuver away from the source of the attack. So in a flurry of Top Secret telegrams significantly leaving out the highest ranking Naval and Army officers the decision was made to maintain a low profile, make no effort to intercept the Japanese task force, or otherwise acknowlege our awareness of it. The result was beyond Roosevelt's wildest dreams! Incidentally, the two responsible Officers on Pearl recieved Courts Martials, and their names have never been cleared to this day! Regards, Al - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: RE: CS>Re: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article What is your take on Pearl Harbor Albert? -Original Message- From: Albert Peirce [mailto:aepei...@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Re: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article Most interesting that "rense.com" would publish a scurrilous article by Alex S. Perry impugning the Allies' efforts to defeat Nazism, Fascism, and Japanese expansionism in the Far East, and then shut down its site on the web so that no response could be made and read by anyone who originally responded to and read Mr. Perry's article entitled "THERE WAS NO NEED FOR WORLD WAR II" Any information about contacting these people would be appreciated. Regards, Al - Original Message - From: Albert Peirce To: "http://aepeirce"@cinci.rr.com Cc: Albert Peirce Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: alex s. perry, jr's WWII article Minimal further investigation would have revealed to Mr. Perry that the peace overtures from the NAZIS were a sham, and were an attempt to temporise and secure the western front as Germany prepared to invade the Soviet Union! Germany probably had 60% of its military forces deployed to resist a renewed effort to re-establish an allied presence in western Europe, and if they could have suceeded in establishing a Neville Chamberlain II agreement, they could have moved a significant portion of this presence to the eastern front. As it was, they took a calculated risk that the Allies would not be ready to open an invasion of Europe for several years and moved their forces anyway. Remember that at the time, 1940/41, the Royal Air Force fighter command had virtually decimated the Luftwaffe flying over England (for every plane shot down, if the crew survived they were taken prisoner) and the Bomber Command was ramping up its night-time bombing of Germany, and the United States Army Air Corps was flying B17's and B24's to England to begin daylight bombing over Europe!! Germany was not dealing from a position of strength!!! HISTORY is a marvelous source of information, and even though it is no longer taught in our schools, it should be accessibile and encouragement offered to study it Al
Re: CS>kids with skin peeling
I'm wondering if there might be some nutritional imbalance/deficiency here, whether it is vitamin, mineral, or essential fatty acids I couldn't say, but would be inclined to think EFAs first... I don't know what you've researched in terms of nutrition, or what their complete diets entail, obviously, but am just posing the suggestion to maybe try to see if it could be something they're missing in their diet. Lots of fruits and veggies can be good, but could also be too much of a good thing, for example, if it is displacing needed proteins and fats. Growing kids in particular really need essential fatty acids for their brain growth, these are the omega 3's... if for example they are on a lower fat kind of diet, they might not be getting enough of the fat-soluble vitamins, A, E, D, and K. Again, I don't know if they are or not, am just suggesting these as possible avenues to explore for causes. Denise-- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>kids with skin peeling
I agree with the nutritional supplements. As a clinical nutritionist, I have seen problems such as you describe in children clear up quickly with added A as well as B-complex. It is important to monitor the Vitamin A as it can be toxic in too large a dose. A good regime is 25,000 I.U. a day, for three months, then 10,000 for a month, then back to 25,000 for three months. (ages 8 and up) After symptoms abate you can just make sure that they take a good complete multi-vitamin/mineral pill/liquid daily. I would strongly urge you to add yogurt and or kefir to their daily diet, making sure it has active cultures. (read label or make your own) I would also recommend cutting sugar way down as these empty calories quickly fill up children so that they are less likely to eat the foods that are good for them. deb ***Make your words soft and sweet; you just may have to eat them someday. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>kids with skin peeling
I'll second this... and will also mention that I noticed it being sold in a cream form at a local HFS the other day, it might be worth a try as well as taking it orally. Denise - Original Message - From: "TC" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: CS>kids with skin peeling You mentioned cold sores or canker sores. Both these respond to generous quantities (5-10,000 mg/day) of lysine, an amino acid. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>14 volts ?
I made a LDVC setup which produces about .8 gallons an hour of 20 PPM crystal clear EIS. Here is how I did it: I purchased the following items: 1. a 1 gallon plastic aquarium kit with a filter pump in the top that recirculates the water from the local pet store (the aquarium is from the pet store, not the water). It pulls the water from the left bottom, and dumps it back in at the top right. 2. a magnetic centrifical pump from Grainers 3. a liquid flow meter with flow control valve from Palmer Cole 4. about 25 feet of #14 guage fine silver wire 5. a DPDT recycling timer from Graingers set to about 50 second per half cycle, wired to reverse the polarity of the output each half cycle. 6. A 7085 voltage regulator and 300 ohm resister to give a 20mA current source. 7. A DC power supply of between 30 and 40 volts. 6. Tanks to hold the starting and finishing water. I put distilled water into the first tank. The magnetic pump pumps the water through the flow meter, which I have set to .8 gallon per hour. If the holding tank were elevated so there would be a gravity feed then this pump could be dispensed with. The distilled water flows into the top of the aquarium, where it is mixed with the recirculated water for the filter (although there is no filter). Inside the aquarium I have two grids of 14 gauge fine silver wire which is made up of 14 wires horizontally of about 9" each for a total of slightly over 20 square inches of surface area. I used very large combs with the teeth milled off to hold the grids which are simply a long wire zig zagged between the combs, and mounted the two grids about an inch apart. The grid is powered by the voltage source with the 7805 in series to limit current to 20 mA. Near the top of the side of the aquarium I drilled a hole, and put in a plastic fitting for an overflow, and a tube leads the overflow to the output holding tank. Seems to do a really good job of making about a gallon an hour of 20 ppm EIS. Voltage drop runs about 16-18 Volts across the grids once it stabalizes. Marshall fg227 wrote: > I use a spare 12 volt automobile battery to make CS. Make a nice 20 ounces > in 12 hours. > > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Sutton" > To: "sol" ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 3:00 PM > Subject: Re: CS>14 volts ? > > >I couldn't read it either. Just deleted it. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "sol" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:51 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>14 volts ? > > > > > >> Rick, > >>A Hanna PWT will give you a pretty good idea of what you are making. > >> If you see a cloud coming off the electrode immediately upon applying > >> the power, your water is not good. > >>I find the formatting you are using very difficult to read. I don't > >> know how others feel about it, but I tend to skip over things I can't > >> read easily. > >> sol > >> > >> rick normand wrote: > >> > >> > hi, i purchased a 14 volt generator to make cs, it appears to make it > >> > as well as 3-9v batteries, but as i can`t determine the concentration, > >> > all i can go by is the appearence (looks like a cloud coming off the > >> > silver electrode). i guess my generator is really just a power supply. > >> > thanks a lot; i really like this site, can someone tell me if the 14v > >> > is good enough? thanks for your > >> > time...rick > >> > > >> > > >> > u > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 > >> > >> > >> -- > >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >> > >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >> > >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >> Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >> > >> Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > >> OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >> > >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > >> > >
RE: CS>C S and Bladder Cancer
Hi Sol, This man gets a quart at the time which lasts a week--I believe--you see, he gets it from my duplicate bridge partner who is a good friend of me and the man--I have never met him, but you can bet he'll take it the rest of his life. I'll send this to her and ask her to send each of us more info. Most people want an instant cure that lasts forever--I try to reasson with them--why not continue this treatment for the rest of your life--it's an easy task--but some stop taking when the symptoms disappear. Hi Ms Helen, Missed you at bridge last night--Thanks for sending the cash for 2 bottles of DDV by the Bonds. Please write Sol & I more details about your bladder cancer friend that God cured with CS that you recommended. Many thanks, Dick & Audrey Best wishes, Sol--Thanks for all the good info you share with "us seekers". Sincerely, Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>C S and Bladder Cancer Richard, Do you know how much CS (orally I presume) this person took daily and for how long? TIA, sol Richard Harris wrote: > Hi Judy, > > Sorry to read of your problems, but you have reached a Site with > generous, experienced Experts who share with "us seekers". I can tell > you that God used my CS to heal a man who had been going to his Dr. > periodically to have his bladder cancer scraped--the Dr. told him that > the wall was so thin until it would allow no more scraping, but next > time the bladder would need to be replaced--this man, told a friend, > who uses my CS regularly--she asked if he had tried CS--to which, he > asked--What is CS? She gave him a quart which he began and continues > to take regularly--on his next Dr. appt. he was told that he NO longer > had a bladder cancer-- > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Mesosilver
Agreed, Terry. But as Mike M. said, too, there *is* a lot of good info
at their web site, so long as you keep their marketing induced bias
clearly in mind.
THIS is one of the important functions of the Silver List. To help new
people to see past the hype on all sides, to the real data, the real
results, and all of their options.
Thank you,
Mike D.
> Mike Devour said,
> > I believe that's Frank Key's Mesosilver site.<
>
> I have read other things by Frank that were
> intelligent and balanced. The type of marketing that I
> found on his site ("My product is the only good one!
> Everyone else's is bad stuff being sold by crooks!")
> was very disappointing.
>
> I don't care what the results of his testing may have
> been, the nearly universal experience of many, many
> folks who are ingesting all manner of types of
> silver-in-liquid preparations negates his research
> claims. I have no problem with, "Our product is
> great!" or, even "We think ours is the best!" I have a
> big problem with marketing that casts negative
> aspersions on everyone else. Especially in light of
> the fact that folks have been delighted by the results
> of CS made with anything from 3 volts to 10,000 volts.
>
> I have no idea if my own CS is the best, but I don't
> care. The results I get from my mostly-ionic EIS are
> so good that, if there's something better out there, I
> couldn't tell the difference. I think practically
> everyone else would say much the same.
>
> Terry Chamberlin
>
>
>
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Re: CS>14 volts ?
I use a spare 12 volt automobile battery to make CS. Make a nice 20 ounces in 12 hours. - Original Message - From: "Charles Sutton" To: "sol" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: CS>14 volts ? I couldn't read it either. Just deleted it. - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: Re: CS>14 volts ? Rick, A Hanna PWT will give you a pretty good idea of what you are making. If you see a cloud coming off the electrode immediately upon applying the power, your water is not good. I find the formatting you are using very difficult to read. I don't know how others feel about it, but I tend to skip over things I can't read easily. sol rick normand wrote: > hi, i purchased a 14 volt generator to make cs, it appears to make it > as well as 3-9v batteries, but as i can`t determine the concentration, > all i can go by is the appearence (looks like a cloud coming off the > silver electrode). i guess my generator is really just a power supply. > thanks a lot; i really like this site, can someone tell me if the 14v > is good enough? thanks for your > time...rick > > > u > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: CS site from TC - 23 March
Thank you very much for this very clear and understandable explanation of what is being put out there, in many ways, and on many different levels, to detract from the healing properties and wonderful omni-use of colloidal silver - as you so rightly say self education is of prime importance. Sandee "The one who accomplished it is the one who failed to realize that he could not do it." -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Mesosilver
Mike Devour said,
> I believe that's Frank Key's Mesosilver site.<
I have read other things by Frank that were
intelligent and balanced. The type of marketing that I
found on his site ("My product is the only good one!
Everyone else's is bad stuff being sold by crooks!")
was very disappointing.
I don't care what the results of his testing may have
been, the nearly universal experience of many, many
folks who are ingesting all manner of types of
silver-in-liquid preparations negates his research
claims. I have no problem with, "Our product is
great!" or, even "We think ours is the best!" I have a
big problem with marketing that casts negative
aspersions on everyone else. Especially in light of
the fact that folks have been delighted by the results
of CS made with anything from 3 volts to 10,000 volts.
I have no idea if my own CS is the best, but I don't
care. The results I get from my mostly-ionic EIS are
so good that, if there's something better out there, I
couldn't tell the difference. I think practically
everyone else would say much the same.
Terry Chamberlin
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CS>high ppm CS experiment, was Re: CS>CS site
A pint batch CS made the day before (to auto shut off) in my Silverpuppy thermal stir generator was the basis of the experiment. 11-10-2004 I brewed it until the PWT read 50 uS then let it sit overnight. 11-11-2004 PWT reading is 30 uS 11-12-2004 PWT reading 29 uS 11-12-2004 brewed to PWT reading of 49 uS It has been sitting since then in the jar it was brewed in, covered of course. A couple of months ago it read 37.9 uS on the PWT. Today it reads 37 uS As it was on 11-12-2004 it is close to water clear. Not even close to straw color. There has been a very minimal drop out to the bottom of the jar. The CS has virtually no TE. The occasional single sparkly is all that I can see in the laser beam. Whatever I've got here, it is pretty stable, and has few or really small particles, or so it seems? sol Mike Monett wrote: I found the increased ionic concentration of 40uS cs to be very helpful in relieving the terrible symptoms of mold toxins, such as blinding headaches and crippling joint pain. The 20uS had no effect, even when doubling the dose. The increased ionic strength should be very helpful to burn victims and those with damaged or compromised immune systems, such as Lyme, MS, HIV, and cancer treatment survivors. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>kids with skin peeling
You mentioned cold sores or canker sores. Both these respond to generous quantities (5-10,000 mg/day) of lysine, an amino acid. I buy mine from a pharmaceutical supply house, much better price than any HF store. It has a very mild, slightly tangy taste, dissolves into any liquid, can be taken on an empty or full stomach. Ask a pharmacist if he can order it for you. Buy more than 100 grams (that's only the equivalent to 100 thousand-milligram capsules). Until I found CS, lysine was the only way I could control the cold-sore herpes that would break out all over my face several times per year. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>14 volts ?
I couldn't read it either. Just deleted it. - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: Re: CS>14 volts ? > Rick, >A Hanna PWT will give you a pretty good idea of what you are making. > If you see a cloud coming off the electrode immediately upon applying > the power, your water is not good. >I find the formatting you are using very difficult to read. I don't > know how others feel about it, but I tend to skip over things I can't > read easily. > sol > > rick normand wrote: > > > hi, i purchased a 14 volt generator to make cs, it appears to make it > > as well as 3-9v batteries, but as i can`t determine the concentration, > > all i can go by is the appearence (looks like a cloud coming off the > > silver electrode). i guess my generator is really just a power supply. > > thanks a lot; i really like this site, can someone tell me if the 14v > > is good enough? thanks for your > > time...rick > > > > > > u > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>CS site
CS>CS site From: TC Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:04:39 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78740.html > I recently visited a very professional looking site, > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html [...snip] Hi Terry, Frank has a lot of misleading statements designed to instill fear in newbies. These marketing methods are bound to backfire. For example, there are several reports in the silver list archives where people have tried his product and found it doesn't work. Also, Steve Quinto recently published a time-kill analysis of Frank's Mesosilver that shows Mesosilver has no killing power. You can see the results at http://tinyurl.com/3qb4v Additional supporting data are at http://tinyurl.com/47ujf http://tinyurl.com/3mmq2 These results support the believe that most of us had all along - the oxides in cs have no value, and only the ions have any biological activity. This means a more accurate measurement of the cs is the conductivity in microsiemens as measured with the Hanna PWT. Correlating the data from Franks' Product Reports, Trem William's information, and Ivan Anderson's data shows that 1uS = 1ppm. One problem with this measurement is the conductivity can be affected by contamination, such as stray droplets from cleaning solutions containing bleach, ammonia, vinegar, etc. This could give a high PWT reading with few silver ions in the solution. This means additional information is needed to give confidence that the PWT reading is correct. The Faraday calculation can be used to show enough silver ions were released to support the Hanna reading, followed by a salt test to confirm the overall result. Until we can all afford a complete analysis lab in the basement, this may help us find out how good the cs really is. In the meantime, there is a lot of good information on Frank's site if you simply ignore his propaganda on ions and colloids. For example, the glossary is excellent: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html His report on Transmission Electron Microscope (TEM) images of cs is quite good, but ignore all the chemistry equations he gives. They are all unbalanced and incorrect. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html And the product reports are very useful. Disregard the accuracy he claims in his measurements. Numbers stated to two decimal places is rubbish. What is important is the rich variety of processes represented in the reports, and the typical numbers that can be expected from each. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html For example, as well as the Natural Immunogenics products favored by Jason, the American Biotech Labs "ASAP Solution" provides an ionic concentration of 19.6 ppm. Since ions are ions, this is probably a much less expensive product with equal performance: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr06/cpr_06.html And a simple homemade cs generator using "W" electrodes and low current density can easily reach these same levels. More advanced generators can easily reach 40uS or more, and David O'Neil of Silverwell in Australia has been achieving phenomenal numbers with a silverpuppy and special demineralized water. I have verified his data using the above methods, and found his measurements are valid. I found the increased ionic concentration of 40uS cs to be very helpful in relieving the terrible symptoms of mold toxins, such as blinding headaches and crippling joint pain. The 20uS had no effect, even when doubling the dose. The increased ionic strength should be very helpful to burn victims and those with damaged or compromised immune systems, such as Lyme, MS, HIV, and cancer treatment survivors. So as in everything, you have to sift through the piles of false and misleading information to find the gems of truth. The important thing is they are there if you care to look. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS site
I think so as well Denise but I'm not sure and that is why I stipulated "with references". In any case I think that it is apropos. Best regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: "Denise Every" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:25 AM Subject: Re: CS>CS site I think it's Shakespeare hmmm, which one featured a conflict between two houses... Romeo & Juliet? I should have paid more attention in English Lit - Original Message - From: "Arnold Beland" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS site Mike writes: "Ionic? Particulate? Most varieties of what we call "CS" are a mixture of both ions and colloidal particles. Both fractions contribute to it's effectiveness. So what's the problem, eh?" "A pox on both their houses." One free ounce of 12 gauge silver to the first lister who posts the origin of this statement. With references, please. Best regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: Re: CS>CS site Terry wrote: The level of dishonesty I found on this site is quite disappointing. It is irresponsible, self-serving, fear-mongering sites such as this one who give silver a bad name. I believe that's Frank Key's Mesosilver site. He is, I believe, still a member of the list. They did a good bit of solid development work and shared a lot of useful information with the list along the way. The ultimate result was, of course, their high-particulate product, which they strongly differentiate from everything else for marketing purposes. The truth is that we've heard of superior results from both Mesosilver and from specialized purely ionic silver preparations. Most of what we make at home is predominantly ionic with some portion of particulate, in the realm of 10 to 20 percent, if test reports we've seen are to be believed. The good news? It all seems to work. If there are quantitative or qualitative differences in performance among them, it doesn't seem to get in the way of results, so long as the user adjusts their consumption of the product for effectiveness. Always start with miniscule doses to guard against the rare allergic reaction or the more common Herxheimer effect. But don't expect a 5 or 10 ppm home-made preparation to be effective at doses of teaspoons full per day. It may be, but it's more usual for ounces per day to be required. The guidline is to dose for effectiveness without great discomfort. Ionic? Particulate? Most varieties of what we call "CS" are a mixture of both ions and colloidal particles. Both fractions contribute to it's effectiveness. So what's the problem, eh? Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005
Re: CS>CS site
I think it's Shakespeare hmmm, which one featured a conflict between two houses... Romeo & Juliet? I should have paid more attention in English Lit - Original Message - From: "Arnold Beland" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: CS>CS site Mike writes: "Ionic? Particulate? Most varieties of what we call "CS" are a mixture of both ions and colloidal particles. Both fractions contribute to it's effectiveness. So what's the problem, eh?" "A pox on both their houses." One free ounce of 12 gauge silver to the first lister who posts the origin of this statement. With references, please. Best regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: Re: CS>CS site Terry wrote: The level of dishonesty I found on this site is quite disappointing. It is irresponsible, self-serving, fear-mongering sites such as this one who give silver a bad name. I believe that's Frank Key's Mesosilver site. He is, I believe, still a member of the list. They did a good bit of solid development work and shared a lot of useful information with the list along the way. The ultimate result was, of course, their high-particulate product, which they strongly differentiate from everything else for marketing purposes. The truth is that we've heard of superior results from both Mesosilver and from specialized purely ionic silver preparations. Most of what we make at home is predominantly ionic with some portion of particulate, in the realm of 10 to 20 percent, if test reports we've seen are to be believed. The good news? It all seems to work. If there are quantitative or qualitative differences in performance among them, it doesn't seem to get in the way of results, so long as the user adjusts their consumption of the product for effectiveness. Always start with miniscule doses to guard against the rare allergic reaction or the more common Herxheimer effect. But don't expect a 5 or 10 ppm home-made preparation to be effective at doses of teaspoons full per day. It may be, but it's more usual for ounces per day to be required. The guidline is to dose for effectiveness without great discomfort. Ionic? Particulate? Most varieties of what we call "CS" are a mixture of both ions and colloidal particles. Both fractions contribute to it's effectiveness. So what's the problem, eh? Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005
Re: CS>CS site
Mike writes: "Ionic? Particulate? Most varieties of what we call "CS" are a mixture of both ions and colloidal particles. Both fractions contribute to it's effectiveness. So what's the problem, eh?" "A pox on both their houses." One free ounce of 12 gauge silver to the first lister who posts the origin of this statement. With references, please. Best regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: Re: CS>CS site Terry wrote: The level of dishonesty I found on this site is quite disappointing. It is irresponsible, self-serving, fear-mongering sites such as this one who give silver a bad name. I believe that's Frank Key's Mesosilver site. He is, I believe, still a member of the list. They did a good bit of solid development work and shared a lot of useful information with the list along the way. The ultimate result was, of course, their high-particulate product, which they strongly differentiate from everything else for marketing purposes. The truth is that we've heard of superior results from both Mesosilver and from specialized purely ionic silver preparations. Most of what we make at home is predominantly ionic with some portion of particulate, in the realm of 10 to 20 percent, if test reports we've seen are to be believed. The good news? It all seems to work. If there are quantitative or qualitative differences in performance among them, it doesn't seem to get in the way of results, so long as the user adjusts their consumption of the product for effectiveness. Always start with miniscule doses to guard against the rare allergic reaction or the more common Herxheimer effect. But don't expect a 5 or 10 ppm home-made preparation to be effective at doses of teaspoons full per day. It may be, but it's more usual for ounces per day to be required. The guidline is to dose for effectiveness without great discomfort. Ionic? Particulate? Most varieties of what we call "CS" are a mixture of both ions and colloidal particles. Both fractions contribute to it's effectiveness. So what's the problem, eh? Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005
CS>CODEX response
I have been, for some time, pondering the idea of putting together a website called "Alt Health Info" or something like that, that contains all of the health information articles I send to folks, plus the other 900+ articles I have assembled (plus the constantly growing additions). This site would not sell anything (except for maybe info disks), it would simply be a resource for alternative health info. On this site would be found all the info about CS I have (much of which came from the silver-list), plus generic info on how to build various types of CS makers, along with important info about such topics as fluoride, amalgum, microwaves, vaccinations, etc. Everyone who desired to could contribute info articles to the site, on any alternative health topic they desired. The important thing here to remember would be that there must be no connection between this site and any site that was selling anything. Obviously, if this site contains info on the health benefits of CS, and then points the reader to a site that sells CS, there would be trouble. In addition, no one who was selling anything could refer their readers to the AltHealthInfo site, for the same reasons. Article contributors would need to contribute their articles anonymously as a public service, with accompanying source links. The site would NOT contain articles about martians, the Illuminatti, crop circles, etc. Someone would need to make final judgements on what topics stepped over the line of alternative health into politics or mysticism (Mike, how about you?). This would be tricky. I am very much impressed by info about such Energy-Medicine ideas as EFT, the affect of scalar waves, Beck stuff and other bioelectro-healing modalities. SOTA got in trouble, even though they had two different websites (one for the products, one for the testimonies) owned by two different corporations, because the same people had set up both corporations. Someone who doesn't sell CS or CS makers would need to set up this AltHealthInfo site. If CODEX turns out to be all that we fear, it will still be a while (I hope) before they start cracking down on information. If we could steer friends/neighbors/relatives to an info site to answer their questions, there would be a layer of safety from "practising medicine". Should it come to this, I will still sell CS as a "plant-health stimulator", and my devices as producers of that plant health stimulation juice. I have two problems with the AltHealthInfo site idea: I make and sell CS/CS-brewers; I don't know how to set up a website, upload all the info articles to it, manage it, etc. I would love to hear thoughts, comments, ideas, etc., to this idea. Sincerely, Terry Chamberlin, B.Sc., C.N.C., Bioanalyst Metabolic Solutions Institute Lawrencetown, Nova Scotia B0S 1M0 Canada 902-584-3810 msi...@yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>14 volts ?
Rick, A Hanna PWT will give you a pretty good idea of what you are making. If you see a cloud coming off the electrode immediately upon applying the power, your water is not good. I find the formatting you are using very difficult to read. I don't know how others feel about it, but I tend to skip over things I can't read easily. sol rick normand wrote: hi, i purchased a 14 volt generator to make cs, it appears to make it as well as 3-9v batteries, but as i can`t determine the concentration, all i can go by is the appearence (looks like a cloud coming off the silver electrode). i guess my generator is really just a power supply. thanks a lot; i really like this site, can someone tell me if the 14v is good enough? thanks for your time...rick u -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>C S and Bladder Cancer
Richard, Do you know how much CS (orally I presume) this person took daily and for how long? TIA, sol Richard Harris wrote: Hi Judy, Sorry to read of your problems, but you have reached a Site with generous, experienced Experts who share with "us seekers". I can tell you that God used my CS to heal a man who had been going to his Dr. periodically to have his bladder cancer scraped--the Dr. told him that the wall was so thin until it would allow no more scraping, but next time the bladder woulh need to be replaced--this man, told a friend, who uses my CS regularly--she asked if he had tried CS--to which, he asked--What is CS? She gave him a quart which he began and continues to take regularly--on his next Dr. appt. he was told that h NO longer had a bladder cancer-- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Barometric Pressure and cs
Hi Debbie, If you are talking about old injuries to bones and muscles then CS might very well work for lurking pockets of infection. Also seems to work well for "arthritis" Tony On 20 Mar 2005 at 14:30, Deborah Gerard wrote about : Subject : CS>Barometric Pressure and cs > > Hi group, > Hope you all are doing well today, > I wish to pick the wonderful brains here on the topic of barometric > pressure. Can taking cs for a period of time take this condition away? > Any input, knowledge, advice would be very much appreciated. Keep up > the great post's everyone I am really enjoying all the rich > information here it must be very satisfying to help other's the way > that you all do. Debbie :) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>kids with skin peeling
Hi Marshalee, Yes, these would be all good things to try. I can't seem to get the kids to swallow pills yet, so I have to find liquid remedies. They have coughed up more pills trying to swallow but still can't. I'll see if I can get some liquid forms of the things you suggested. Yes, tea tree oil, would be a good choice too to try on the hands. These kids can be doing relatively normal things and big blister like spots (quarter size or larger)will come off and leave a very raw spot for weeks. Right now they only have smaller peeling around the finger tips but even some of that looks like it is getting deep. I seem to forget about that product as I use mostly H2O2 and CS for most fungal and bacterial problems. They don't get migraines at all. I never hear them complain about headaches. The one most plagued with canker sores seems to eat pretty healthy lots of fruit and veggies. I'm wondering if it is the fruits that bring them on as he just had a new one pop out yeasterday and he has been eating a fair amount of grapefruit and grapes this past day or so. Maybe some of the fruit is too acidic for his system. The last 2 days he has also been complaining of a very sore back. He is a very tall boy for his age and seems to have fast growth spurts and has complained about leg pains before. They both of them have had the red sandpaper type skin every year right around christmas. The very first year that the kids had this. I was so worried that it maybe measles and did not want to go home for christmas and give it to all the rest. The kid never actually got sick. But it has happened in various forms every year since. This past winter, besides the rough dry bumpy skin, the buttocks area of the boy had broken out in a pimple like dry rash. Very sore and we suspected clothes washing detergent, but it seemed that the CS seemed to relieve the pimples even though the red rash does not seem to want to clear up. It has faded when the weather got a little nicer but each time it snows the rash seems to come back. Like I said I am down to mostly washing the clothes with just tiny amounts of soap that he seems to tolerate and triple rinsing them but the rash seems to persist. I have been putting moisturizing cream (glaxal base) for sensative skin and that makes it feel better but that rash does not let up. I tried Keri bath oil to see if the oil would help the dry skin and that seemed to exasperate it. Not winning with much I do. The kids love the CS tho they are always asking for it for any thing that hurts. It really seems to take pain away. G Murray Marshalee wrote: Hmm, the bumps sound like what I had as a kid. Solution: Vitamin A. That helps a multitude of problems, your kids have many of them. Vitamin E goes along with it. Do they get migraines or headaches in general? The hair loss shows a need for zinc, the canker sores need vitamin C. Melaleuca oil (tea tree oil) is great for the pain of those. (I know!) Email me and I`ll give you some more. Marshalee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>unsubscribe
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2005 #166 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>14 volts ?
hi, i purchased a 14 volt generator to make cs, it appears to make it as well as 3-9v batteries, but as i can`t determine the concentration, all i can go by is the appearence (looks like a cloud coming off the silver electrode). i guess my generator is really just a power supply. thanks a lot; i really like this site, can someone tell me if the 14v is good enough? thanks for your time...rick union,justice,confidence,RICE & GRAVY>>>THE FREE STATE OF AVOYELLES -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS site
Terry wrote: > The level of dishonesty I found on this site is quite > disappointing. It is irresponsible, self-serving, > fear-mongering sites such as this one who give silver > a bad name. I believe that's Frank Key's Mesosilver site. He is, I believe, still a member of the list. They did a good bit of solid development work and shared a lot of useful information with the list along the way. The ultimate result was, of course, their high-particulate product, which they strongly differentiate from everything else for marketing purposes. The truth is that we've heard of superior results from both Mesosilver and from specialized purely ionic silver preparations. Most of what we make at home is predominantly ionic with some portion of particulate, in the realm of 10 to 20 percent, if test reports we've seen are to be believed. The good news? It all seems to work. If there are quantitative or qualitative differences in performance among them, it doesn't seem to get in the way of results, so long as the user adjusts their consumption of the product for effectiveness. Always start with miniscule doses to guard against the rare allergic reaction or the more common Herxheimer effect. But don't expect a 5 or 10 ppm home-made preparation to be effective at doses of teaspoons full per day. It may be, but it's more usual for ounces per day to be required. The guidline is to dose for effectiveness without great discomfort. Ionic? Particulate? Most varieties of what we call "CS" are a mixture of both ions and colloidal particles. Both fractions contribute to it's effectiveness. So what's the problem, eh? Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>C S and Bladder Cancer
Hi Judy, Sorry to read of your problems, but you have reached a Site with generous, experienced Experts who share with "us seekers". I can tell you that God used my CS to heal a man who had been going to his Dr. periodically to have his bladder cancer scraped--the Dr. told him that the wall was so thin until it would allow no more scraping, but next time the bladder woulh need to be replaced--this man, told a friend, who uses my CS regularly--she asked if he had tried CS--to which, he asked--What is CS? She gave him a quart which he began and continues to take regularly--on his next Dr. appt. he was told that h NO longer had a bladder cancer--Praise God! I would have replied to you personally, but there was no address--should you be interested, please contact me after reading my Site and Blogspot in which I list 3 pages of CS Uses and 1 page of Favorites to which I refer regularly. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>C S and Bladder Cancer My friend's late wife used Cysplatin, which is platinum based, I understand. My friend is English and he knew this drug was prescribed in his country. Japanese medical doctors were willing to try it, to their credit, though they don't usually use it. It was not helpful in late-stage metastasized stomach cancer. It is an expensive drug. I note that someone on this list observed that silver and platinum are both noble metals close to one another on the periodic table of the elements. On Tuesday, Mar 22, 2005, at 07:05 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote: If you do a google you will find that some of the newer chemotherapies use platimum based drugs for the chemo. This seems to support what I have heard about platimum colloids being a good cancer treatment. There is one testimonial at http://colloidforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=298 about using a platimum colloid for liver cancer. I have heard of other successes as well with platimum and cancers of the bladder, brain and bone, but have no first hand experiences with it. Unfortunately I don't think there is an easy method to make platimum colloids like there is for silver. If I can find anything else out about it I will post back again. As always, I am not a doctor, but simply a seeker trying to help. Marshall Corgiville wrote: Hello. I am new to the silver-list. I was new to c s and was drinking it this last year. I found out I had bladder cancer in December. I have had surgery and had BCG treatments and am now in maintance with the BCG, I have the generator to make the c s and a friend that taught me how to use it. But when I found out I had bladder cancer I got scared of drinking the C S. I was afraid if there was some deposit of c s that would end up in my bladder or if the c s could do any damage and be more of a hinderance than a prevention to the bladder cancer. I am eating raw vegetables most of the meals. No sugar. No caffine. Drink water, green tea, lemon water and eat almonds for the alkaline effect. I do eat out once a week maybe twice and that is not good. Take a variety of vitamins that I understand is suspose to be helpful in preventing cancer. I am hoping there is someone that knows about bladder cancer and drinking c s. I really appreciate all your help. Thank you,Judy
Re: CS>Re:Re: CS>My silvergen machine
William Amos wrote: > Information at... > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html > Bill > -- Interesting information there. The efficiency is about the same as I use to produce with the Silver Lightning product, but the price per mL is 25 time more! Also the particle size is much larger. Looks like a rip off to me. Are any of those in that table produced with one of the modern makers such as the SG6 or a silver puppy? I would love to see where the high quality home made CS comes in. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Health Related Books We Should Buy??
Hello Silverlisters, This august group of people has helped my wife and I through many tough times with their great suggestions. Without Colloidal Silver, my wife would have died from an antibiotic resistant bug. We started with 2 silver wires and 3-9volt batteries and now have 3 SilverGen SG6A units. We've come a long way in a short time. With the advent of CODEX and severe FDA restrictions on INFORMATION about health and health treatments, we realized that we should be putting together a library of Health related books that may help us in the future when this info may not be readily available. The discussions by Brooks about the Rose bushes and their rose hips got us thinking. Do any in this wonderful group have suggestions as to the titles of the books we should seek out?? Thank in advance for your help Al
CS>CS site
I recently visited a very professional looking site, http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html This website made a big distinction between true colloidal silver and ionic silver. Why was this important? Because, All ionic silver will turn into silver chloride once inside the body Why is this important? Because, Not only does it fail to provide the benefits that colloidal silver is known for, but more importantly, ingestion of highly concentrated forms of ionic silver can cause argyria Then, this site makes these points: Misleading Information Some products that are ionic silver describe their properties in terms of silver particles attempting to confuse the reader into believing in the existence of ionic silver particles. There is no such thing. There are metallic silver particles (nanoparticles) and silver ions, but no ionic silver particles. This distinction is very important. Untold is the fact that the product is mostly ionic silver, not silver particles. The fact is, most such products only contain an average of 10% of their silver content in the form of silver particles with the majority 80% to 99% in the form of ionic silver. To make a true colloid is a complicated, complex and costly process. It is no mystery why most producers choose to make ionic silver instead and simply call it colloidal silver. Thankfully, more consumers are educating themselves about this deception, and more and more are learning this simple test: If it looks like water, it is ionic silver, not a true silver colloid. Ingestion of highly concentrated forms of ionic silver can cause argyria, a permanent discoloration of the skin. The likelihood of argyria becomes significant for ionic silver concentrations above 100 ppm. Typical ionic silver products contain between 3 and 20 ppm of ionic silver which would not cause argyria. >From these statements, the reader would come away with the strong impression that nearly all the other people who sell colloidal silver are, in fact, con-artists bent upon cheating you out of your money and that the product they sell (or the devices they sell you) have no health benefit and will almost certainly cause argyria. The key phrase here is, Ingestion of highly concentrated forms of ionic silver can cause argyria OK, since Typical ionic silver products contain between 3 and 20 ppm of ionic silver which would not cause argyria, then what is the problem? Apparently the insinuation that ionic silver is nearly worthless is the main point here. Add to that the point that this statement (ionic silver causes argyria) cannot be substantiated by any science whatsoever. Every case of argyria on the books was caused by silver powder such as that inhaled by silversmiths, or by silver-salts and proteins such as silver nitrate, or, rarely, by large-particle colloidal silver (coffee-colored CS). Yet, Dr Alan B.G. Lansdown, of the Skin Research and Wound Healing Laboratory, Imperial College of Medicine, London, had this to say about ionic silver: As a metal, silver is relatively inert and poorly absorbed by mammalian or bacterial cells. However, in the presence of wound fluids or other secretions, it readily ionises and becomes highly reactive in binding to proteins and cell membranes. The silver ion (Ag+) is absorbed by the bacterial or yeast cells and is lethal in sensitive strains. Microbiological studies illustrate that the 'activated' silver ion (Ag+ or other species) can exert its lethality through action on the bacterial cell membrane (envelope) or binding to and inactivating intracellular proteins/enzymes and nuclear DNA. It is the ionic silver more than the metallic silver particles that are effective. The level of dishonesty I found on this site is quite disappointing. It is irresponsible, self-serving, fear-mongering sites such as this one who give silver a bad name. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Welcome AG cs maker response
Hi Andy, Not Debbie, but another happy & satisfied V admirer. V can be reached: von...@expo-net.org Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Andy Gill [mailto:agill...@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Welcome AG cs maker response Debbie, ' Do you have V's email address? Thanks, AG - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: CS>Welcome AG cs maker response Hi AG, Welcome to the group. You will really enjoy the wealth of knowledge here, I know I do. There is a gentleman by the name of V here that sells a very inexpensive silver collodial maker that works very well...I bought one from him and am very pleased. Debbie
Re: CS>[List Owner] Bailar
I appreciate your appropriate and immediate response. - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: CS>[List Owner] Bailar > Dear friends, > > Before everybody gets in a rip about this, I have sent an > uncharactersitically angry message to this Bailar person explaining to > them that such arrogant and insulting behavior is *NOT* welcome on the > Silver List and demanding an apology as condition for their continued > participation. > > Did I mention that I was angry? > > I guess I am "easily moved to a state of being astounded" at this > person's rudeness to Sol. > > I think it would be best if we let that thread drop and get on with the > task of helping those who are actually appreciative of our community. > > Sorry for the less than level-headed response. Even my patience has > limits. > > Be well, > > Mike Devour > silver list owner > > > Sol, > > > > You write: > > > > < > any kind of insult or attack>> > > > > I did not use the word harsh, did I? And I didn't ask you, did I? > > > > < > that after such a brief trial, and giving us no details, you are so > > ready to ditch the Silvergen.>> > > > > You are easily moved to a state of being astounded then. You must be > > astounded many times a day. > > > > <> > > > > I'm not sure I'm interested in the effort entailed. I used Trem's > > machine according to directions. In my original post I noted it was a > > good machine but the silver was not effective. In addition, other lyme > > patients AND a molecular biologist I respect, Stephen Levine, have said > > enough good things about natural immunogenics that I'm willing to try > > it. > > > > <> > > > > Well then, Sol, I submit that you are too easily astounded and far too > > difficult to arouse to a state of natural (and should I add, > > benevolent?) curiosity. > > > > << because > > you sound like you are just repeating sales pitches from natural > > immunogenics.>> > > > > Really? How did I give a sales pitch? > > > > < > curiosity.>> > > > > Whom in the group do you speak for? I got some very nice private emails > > after my post, btw. > > > > Just wait for my report. You'll get an honest report if it helps and if > > it doesn't. > > > > < > will want to know dosage and ppm comparisons to your homemade CS.>> > > > > You'll have to do your own DD (due diligence) as they say in the > > financial world. I am not beguiled enough by your courtesy, > > thoughtfulness, curiosity, and equanimity to go to the effort of giving > > you more detail. In fact, I am not going to respond to further posts of > > yours. > > > > Bailar > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Bailars machine
Correction. It was Dec 13. Home made CS has taken a bit of a hit from Bailar. I think its only fair that what Bailarr said back on Dec 17 should be repeated. David Here's Bailar's quote ''I must say this silver of trem's is potent, a good machine. yow. glad i didn't make it any stronger. took just one teaspoon this morning and feel it all day. it seems like people took such varying amounts that it is individual. i believe i am probably killing some candida too, so its a double whammy, i have both systemically i'm sure. btw i tried mesosilver and it was totally useless, unlike this silver.
