Re: CSMexican water purification
Please write to me off-list at: miss...@prodigy.net.mx Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: nancymike To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: Re: CSMexican water purification How is life in Oaxaca? I'm hoping to visit there soon. Nancy - Original Message - From: William Missett To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: Re: CSMexican water purification Listers: To all interested in Microdyn: I am not a representative or salesperson for Microdyn. I am a happy consumer of same, and happen to live in Mexico, where it is readily (and cheaply) available. At one time, I sold a diluted (800ppm) version of Microdyn over the internet, but never made any money at it, with high Mexican postal rates, and the necessary Visa/Mastercard monthly fees. I obtained my supply from a local dealer, who would only sell to me by the case (600 25-ml bottles at about 60 cents each) In the past, I attempted to obtain U.S. distribution rights for Microdyn, but discussion with the company head indicated that this was impossible at that time. The company was at maximum production, and he did not envision increasing production capability. My request was thus rejected, because there was no product available. What Microdyn did, to expand its availability without increasing production, was to reduce the size of its bottles from 25 ml. to 15 ml., at the same price. (This was before the 1-liter bottles were available.) The patent for Microdyn is held by the Mexican government, and has been for 40 years. Microdyn is produced by: Roland de Mexico, Asturias #58, 03400 Mexico, District Federal, Mexico. Its (incomplete) telephone number is 5538-20-68. (What is lacking is the Mexico City area code, probably available from a long-distance operator, as well as the international code (011) and the country code (52). There are no English-speakers at the company. I know that the 1-liter bottles are available at major dealers (Sam's Club in Acapulco, for one) and probably at larger drug and food stores along the border. There are other, supposedly equally potent versions of CS for sale in Mexico, under the names of Bio-Pur, Bac-Dyn, and others that escape me at the moment. I stick with Microdyn, for it has proven extremely safe and effective, after 8 years of industrial consumption. Six months of Bio-Pur turned my nails blue, whereas 8 years of Microdyn did not. Please don't ask me to buy Microdyn and mail it to you. I don't have the time for such an endeavor. Come to Mexico on vacation next year, and buy yourself a 5-year supply. Regards, Bill Missett Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca, Mexico - Original Message - From: Sally Khanna To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: Re: CSMexican water purification I'd like to know a little more about this please. Going to travel where I'd like to purify the h20. Thanks, Sally William Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx wrote: It's Microdyn, reputedly 3200ppm, now available in 1-liter size bottles, for only $11US. - Original Message - From: Albert Peirce To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 7:44 AM Subject: CSMexican water purification Forgive me a senior moment, but what is the name of the silver water purification product? Thanks in advance, Al -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.0 - Release Date: 3/31/2005
Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
Dear Seekers, I have used this brand for at least four years and it works very well. http://hiddencures.com/index.htm This is or was only about $149.00 including the titanium electrodes.. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. ---Original Message--- From: SJY Date: 03/31/05 21:36:56 To: Silver List Subject: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers Folks, I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water, produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their results. From what I read on the web, they are constructed something like a CS generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and alkaline water separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and they cost a lot - over $500 usually. I suppose if one used silver electrodes, one could have the benefits of EIS as well as high pH water. Might this be the next advance in CS generators? Does anyone have plans for building one? Has anyone built their own, and if so, what are your results? Terry Chamberlain posted a website that had plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I think there should be simpler designs and construction methods. Thanks, --Steve Y. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
Thank you for the information, how do you purify your water?? Mary -- Original message from Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net: -- Dear Seekers, I have used this brand for at least four years and it works very well. http://hiddencures.com/index.htm This is or was only about $149.00 including the titanium electrodes.. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. ---Original Message--- From: SJY Date: 03/31/05 21:36:56 To: Silver List Subject: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers Folks, I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water, produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their results. From what I read on the web, they are constructed something like a CS generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and alkaline water separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and they cost a lot - over $500 usually. I suppose if one used silver electrodes, one could have the benefits of EIS as well as high pH water. Might this be the next advance in CS generators? Does anyone have plans for building one? Has anyone built their own, and if so, what are your results? Terry Chamberlain posted a website that had plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I think there should be simpler designs and construction methods. Thanks, --Steve Y. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
Re: CS
brick...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/31/2005 6:59:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: that explains the H2O2 enhancement quite well. Now for the question of if adding Gatorade and H2O2 together will be even better. If you do this then the ionic portion becomes silver chloride, which will not change with exposure to H2O2 (verified by Mike M), and the H2O2 will break down the colloidal portion to silver oxide, which will then become silver chloride. The final result will I believe be almost totally silver Why not just add salt to CS after it is brewed? Salt would probably work if you added the right amount. But salty water alone tends to cause nausia. Also, I am not certain that the salts of potassium, citric acid and glucose are not part of the equation, since all can react with silver under different conditions. Marshall
Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
Filter, but this outfit can use reg h2o Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ ---Original Message--- From: mborg...@att.net Date: 04/01/05 09:01:22 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers Thank you for the information, how do you purify your water?? Mary -- Original message from Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone net: -- Dear Seekers, I have used this brand for at least four years and it works very well. http://hiddencures.com/index.htm This is or was only about $149.00 including the titanium electrodes.. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. ---Original Message--- From: SJY Date: 03/31/05 21:36:56 To: Silver List Subject: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers Folks, I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water, produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their results. From what I read on the web, they are constructed something like a CS generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and alkaline water separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and they cost a lot - over $500 usually. I suppose if one used silver electrodes, one could have the benefits of EIS as well as high pH water. Might this be the next advance in CS generators? Does anyone have plans for building one? Has anyone built their own, and if so, what are your results? Terry Chamberlain posted a website that had plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I think there should be simpler designs and construction methods. Thanks, --Steve Y. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
CSIonic versus Colloidal
Mike, I think this is what you wanted to see. Please note the test result photos cannot be shown in plain text so you will have to go to the site for viewing. http://tinyurl.com/3qb4v You might also want to take a look at this page also. http://tinyurl.com/4jff2 Trem __ Natural-Immunogenics Documentation Library Comparative Bacteriology Analysis: Particulate vs. Ionic Silver December 22, 2004 Andrew Martin, B.S. John W. Roberts, Ph.D. Natural-Immunogenics Corp Purpose Claims have been made by the manufacturer of Mesosilver that suggest ionic silver potency is compromised by Hydrochloric Acid (HCl) in the stomach, and that only particulate silver (i.e. Mesosilver) can be effective in inhibiting pathogenic microorganisms. The hypothesis of Natural-Immunogenics, Corp. is that, contrary to the claims above, only the ion is responsible for silver's antimicrobial efficacy. Natural-Immunogenics, Corp.'s products (Argentyn 23 and Sovereign Silver ) are composed in excess of 95% silver ions. The purpose of this study is to compare the antibacterial efficacy of Argentyn 23 Silver to that of Mesosilver . Both of these products were exposed to the same amount (concentration) of HCl. Identical bacterial concentrations and dilutions of two strains of Staphylococcus aureus (S-1 and S-2) were used to test each product. This testing was accomplished by exposing healthy strains of the bacteria (in dilution series) to the two products after adding 10µl of HCl solution (in various concentrations). Materials and Methods Summary: The antibacterial activity of both Argentyn 23 and Mesosilver were compared by treating healthy cultures of the bacterial strains, separately, with each of the two products (to which was added 10µl of HCl solution, in various concentrations, to make 1 ml samples of each). Source, cultivation, and preparation of bacterial samples: The YT media was autoclaved and poured into sterile plates and allowed to dry. Two strains of Staph received from the New York Hospital of Queens. B14192 - wild type/ normal strain (S-1) B14310 - antibiotic resistant MRSA (S-2) The bacteria was grown on YT media for 16 to 24 hours before being harvested. A 3 mm confluent inoculum of S-1 was resuspended in 1,250µl of sterile, 17 to 18 MegOhm (M?) purified lab water. Then a standard 10:1 dilution series was performed on each strain, using sterile purified lab water 1/10, 1/100, 1/1,000, 1/10,000, and 1/100,000 dilutions of each stock bacterial suspension were prepared. The bacterial strain, S-2, was prepared identically, as was strain S-1. Preparation of Test Media (YT): Each 95mm sterile polystyrene culture plate (Petri dish) was filled with 5mm of YT media (which consists of 0.5% NaCl, 0.6% yeast extract, 0.8% tryptone and 2% agar). Preparation of the silver products: Argentyn 23 was diluted to 20 PPM (so as to have an equal concentration of silver) using sterile, 18 MegOhm (M?) purified lab water. Mesosilver was determined (separately, by atomic absorption) to have a concentration of 20 PPM. 9 parts of Argentyn 23 (final concentration 18 PPM) and one part of HCl (33, or 44, or 77 PPM, finally diluted to 3, 4, and 7 PPM, respectively) were added to eachother and mixed. Mesosilver and HCl were added to eachother and mixed, as above. Treatment of Bacterial Strains with Silver Products 10 µl. of the silver product/ HCl mixture (9µl. each of Silver product and 1 µl. of HCl) were added to 90µl. of each of the sets of dilutions (1/100 through 100,000) of the two bacterial strain, above. The mixture was agitated and allowed to react until spotted onto the YT plate. One 10µl sample of each mixture of bacterial dilution/Silver/HCl of Strain S-1 was spotted onto the YT plates. One 10µl sample of each mixture of bacterial dilution with Silver/HCl of Strain S-2 was spotted onto YT plates. The exposure times were limited to 4 or 8 minutes, respectively, for each set of treatments. This protocol was performed identically for Argentyn 23 and Mesosilver. Negative control plate (positive growth) - No silver/HCl being added to S-1 or S-2 cultures. Sterile, purified water replaced the volume (10µl) of Silver/HCl. Positive control plate - Treatment of bacterial strains with respective silver products without HCl. Plates then placed in a 35°C to 37°C incubator overnight (16 to 24 hours). Results Qualitative results can easily be seen on each plate. The negative control for S-1 grew out 4.5 spots, represented by ( ½ ), as did the negative control for S-2. These samples did not contain the silver or silver/ HCl mix. A (-) represents no Staph growth and (1/2) represents some Staph growth. The efficacy of the silver/HCl in the various ratios can be compared by the number of (+) vs. (-) spots observed. The positive control (silver and NO HCl) for S-1 and S-2. This should have shown the greatest degree of kill/inhibition (since there was
CSCS: to Jason re Terramin/ Iodine deficiency
Jason; Would you give a source of Terramin,please? Thanx in advance, Harold When I was a kid back in the 1930s,it was fairly common to see women with Goiters,but not men.I also remember babies having the soles of their feet painted with Churchills tincture of Iodine.We always had a bottle of it in our house.I also remember salt coming in a solid block,and if you wanted some,you scraped it off with a spoon,the same with sugar. HMMNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/2005
CSUpdate to Theory
I have made some corrections, and posted this again: OK, Let me take a stab at it. First we have the known facts, then the experimental evidence, then the theory that ties it all together. Facts: 1. EIS kill pathogens 2. Silver salts will photoreduce to silver atoms or particles when exposed to light 3. Silver salts will plate out on silver atoms or particles when there is a developer present and the ph of the liquid is over 7. 4. Many compounds can act as developers, such as caffeine. Some of these compounds may be found in the blood. 5. If silver salts are taken and then a person is exposed to light, then #2 and #3 can result in argyria, even for silver chloride with limited solubility 6. EIS does not cause argyria despite containing silver compounds of silver hydroxide or silver oxide. 7. Silver ions will help healing by causing injured cells to dedifferentiate and redifferentiate, and also quite possibly by repairing dna. 8. Silver compounds will usually form silver chloride when exposed to the stomach acids or salt in the blood. Some, such as silver sulfide will not, but they are not involved at this point. 9. Silver metal or particles are an oxidizing catalyst and a conductor. Experimental Evidence: 1. Both ionic and colloidal forms appear to kill pathogens. 2. Silver ions disappear from the blood stream rapidly after being introduced when there are silver particles present. 3. Silver taken by mouth ends up being eliminated primarily through the kidneys, despite the limited solubility of silver chloride. 4. Silver compounds with silver colloid (EIS) does not cause argyria. 5. When mixed with Gatorade, absorption rate is greatly enhanced. 6. Adding H2O2 increases the effectiveness of EIS Theory: Both ionic silver and colloidal silver kill pathogens, although likely by different means (ions binding with sulfur, particles being an oxidizing catalyst or disrupting the cell electrochemistry, or other means).. When one takes EIS by mouth, the ionic portion converts to silver chloride immediately. Most of the silver chloride precipitates out temporarily. If you mix with an electrolyte solution, then the solubility of the silver chloride goes up due to it forming chloride complexes of silver. (EE #5 above explained). Some of the silver chloride will remain in solution, and will quickly cross the stomach wall into the blood stream. This reduces the silver chloride in the stomach, so some of that which precipitated out will redissolve. Any that has not redissolved by the time it reaches the intestines has a fate which is unknown. Silver particles will also cross the stomach lining into the blood stream unchanged. Once in the blood stream, the silver quickly tries to reduce onto any particles it can find (Fact #3 and #4). There are two cases here that need explaining. First if there are no colloidal particles in the blood, some of the silver chloride will end up being photoreduced by the sun in the skin (FACT #2). These particles would normally move out of the skin in short order, but with a significant silver salt content in the blood, they quickly grow to the point of becoming caught via the photographic development process. (Fact #5) If however there is a colloidal component associated with the silver chloride, then they quickly plate out on those particles (FACT #3). The result is a slight increase in particle size, instead of a huge increase in the size of particles photoreduced in the skin. Thus the colloidal portion acts as a prophylactic against argyria. (Fact #6) At some point the kidneys remove the silver particles from the blood stream. (EE #3). I believe the theory explains all of the above known facts and experiments given above except EE #6, which I will discuss below. If there is any repeatable experimental evidence that contradicts this theory, then the theory will need to be modified or discarded, but at this time is as far as I know the ONLY theory to explain all the experiments, facts and evidence. Enhancement of H2O2 for EIS. 1. EIS contains silver ions and silver particles. The particles are fairly large compared with a particle of 2 atoms. 2. H2O2 will react with large silver particles, producing silver oxide. 3. H2O2 will react with silver hydroxide producing silver oxide 4. H2O2 will react with silver oxide (Ag2O) producing particles of silver composed of 2 atoms. The final result is a mixture of very small silver particles of typically 2 or so atoms, and silver oxide with a solubility limit of about 13 ppm. Tyndall decreases due to the replacement of large particles with small ones although many many more, color goes away for the same reason. Now I am unable to determine the ratio of silver oxide to silver particles, but if we assume that it is 50/50 then if we follow the above theory we will end up with many more and smaller particles in the blood than if the H2O2 was not added. So what is the difference? Lets say we start with some EIS that is 10%
Re: CSCS: to Jason re Terramin/ Iodine deficiency
Hi Harold: http://www.terramin.com Terramin can be purchased directly from the source. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Harold MacDonald To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: CSCS: to Jason re Terramin/ Iodine deficiency Jason; Would you give a source of Terramin,please? Thanx in advance, Harold When I was a kid back in the 1930s,it was fairly common to see women with Goiters,but not men.I also remember babies having the soles of their feet painted with Churchills tincture of Iodine.We always had a bottle of it in our house.I also remember salt coming in a solid block,and if you wanted some,you scraped it off with a spoon,the same with sugar. HMM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/2005
RE: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
http://www.nutech2000.com.au/prod97.htm their page didn't show up and its an old link here was some of the info I saved. How to make Oxygen Rich Ionised Alkaline Water? The Water Activator In the centre of the tank, a semi-permeable membrane divides it; the membrane is sealed around the edge in order that water cannot leak between sections. Each half of the tank has a small valve or tap to permit the appropriate water (alkaline or acid) to be drawn from its section of the tank. Each half of the tank is filled with fresh clean water and then a direct electric current of low voltage is applied across the iridium plates. Depending on the conductivity of the water, after about one hour, the water in each half of the tank will be found acid on one side and alkaline on the other. The water in the side with the anode (electrical positive electrode), is the acid water, the side with the cathode (electrical negative electrode), is the alkaline water. The time span the activator needs to fully divide the water depends on the minerals in the water. Distilled water has no minerals at all and is not suitable for the production of acid and alkaline water. The same is the case with R.O water. Tank water from a plastic tank could be a problem, since there are not many minerals (only from air pollution and bird droppings) in the water. However, tank water from a concrete tank could be found to have many minerals, which is calcium due to lime leached out. Some water could need several hours to separate to the highest possible reading. Measuring the pH, during the ionisation process is the only way to find out how much time a certain water needs to be fully activated. Please note that electronic pH meters should not be used in water under current. You have to switch the unit off for a while before testing the pH level. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: SJY [mailto:youngst...@konnections.net] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:38 PM To: Silver List Subject: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers Folks, I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water, produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their results. From what I read on the web, they are constructed something like a CS generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and alkaline water separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and they cost a lot - over $500 usually. I suppose if one used silver electrodes, one could have the benefits of EIS as well as high pH water. Might this be the next advance in CS generators? Does anyone have plans for building one? Has anyone built their own, and if so, what are your results? Terry Chamberlain posted a website that had plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I think there should be simpler designs and construction methods. Thanks, --Steve Y. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMarshall's EIS/CS Theory--Great! But what about . . .
Marshall, Thanks for this great Synopsis or Abstract of CS/EIS's Theory of Everything. Would you consider adding any external applications of CS/EIS? When one considers the Dr Robert O Becker's and Dr Bart Flicks application/s of silver ions in relation to bones and skin repair. As I read it -- the silver ions or silver chunks re-connect/re-wire the skin's electrical potential after suffering a skin break -- an abrasion or burn -- thus starting and accelerating the healing process. in SILvation, Douglas H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMarshall's EIS/CS Theory--Great! But what about . . .
gvagraph...@adelphia.net wrote: Marshall, Thanks for this great Synopsis or Abstract of CS/EIS's Theory of Everything. Would you consider adding any external applications of CS/EIS? When one considers the Dr Robert O Becker's and Dr Bart Flicks application/s of silver ions in relation to bones and skin repair. I had already mentioned that ions cause dedifferentiation and redifferentiation of injured cells (and clotted blood cells I believe as well). Also I have heard that since dna has two copies of the sequences, that silver and platinum will somehow cause damaged dna to correct itself from the undamaged copy. As I read it -- the silver ions or silver chunks re-connect/re-wire the skin's electrical potential after suffering a skin break -- an abrasion or burn -- thus starting and accelerating the healing process. I really cannot put much in there because I simply do not have a clue as to how it does these things. If there is a theory out there that seems reasonable and seems to explain these things, I will be glad to try to add it and give due credit. Marshall in SILvation, Douglas H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT - iodine deficiency
In the nineteen-sixties I saw quite a number of Tibetan men and women with goiters. Dan Re: CSOT - iodine deficiency From: Charles Sutton (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:59:17 When I was a child in the 1940's about one woman in 10 walking down the street had a huge goiter. Food was better and more nutritious then, and there was a massive deficiency of iodine. That is why they started putting iodine in the salt. When they did that, the goiters disappeared I never saw a man with one, and don't know if men get them or not.. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:15 AM Subject: Re: CSOT - iodine deficiency -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe KEY word is Oligodynamic Ag+
Thanks, got some very interesting information. Studying it now. May have to revise some theories; who knows. :) Marshall gvagraph...@adelphia.net wrote: Silver Listers, The key word is Oligodynamic Ag+. And I'm not referring to Frank Key!! Search using Google Oligodynamic -- oligodynamic, Ag+. Also try NO caps -- all lower case!! The BIG QUESTION IS the following: How does one make consistant Oligodynamic EIS. i.e. with silver chunks at or smaller than 10.0 nano meters Many or most of us don't know what the size of our silver ions or chunks are -- it's expensive to use a lab. What does a lab analysis cost? Does anyone have any recent experience? Frank Key's website claims that IONIC SILVER is of little value, being a DISSOLVED form not having adequate surface area for contact with bacteria. Has the list discussed Frank's take on this? Would not a DISSOLVED form get into tissues and into Virus Bodies, thus acting in a below 10NM manner? The Prof. RJ Gibbons leaflet, seems to make the point of surface area being important. The archives do mention Oligodynamic CS -- consider this an update -- These articles are recent and to say the least interesting!! in SILvation, Douglas H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe KEY word is Oligodynamic Ag+
http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/pdf/6.pdf For solubility products we have this in the table: Ag2O (Silver oxide) 1.52 x 10-5 (AgOH) What does that mean? We already know (or believe) that silver hydroxide becomes silver oxide when it drys out. Does this mean that it goes back to being silver hydroxide when it dissolves back into water again? And is that the solubility product for silver oxide or silver hydroxide, or both, or does silver oxide not exist when dissolved in water? Also that table indicates that silver oxide (hydroxide) is about 100 times a soluble as silver chloride, so the limit for that should be about 98 ppm, but other references list the solubility of silver oxide at about 13 ppm. It sure confuses things that many of these number do not appear to be consistant between different references. Interesting questions though. Marshall gvagraph...@adelphia.net wrote: Silver Listers, The key word is Oligodynamic Ag+. And I'm not referring to Frank Key!! Search using Google Oligodynamic -- oligodynamic, Ag+. Also try NO caps -- all lower case!! The BIG QUESTION IS the following: How does one make consistant Oligodynamic EIS. i.e. with silver chunks at or smaller than 10.0 nano meters Many or most of us don't know what the size of our silver ions or chunks are -- it's expensive to use a lab. What does a lab analysis cost? Does anyone have any recent experience? Frank Key's website claims that IONIC SILVER is of little value, being a DISSOLVED form not having adequate surface area for contact with bacteria. Has the list discussed Frank's take on this? Would not a DISSOLVED form get into tissues and into Virus Bodies, thus acting in a below 10NM manner? The Prof. RJ Gibbons leaflet, seems to make the point of surface area being important. The archives do mention Oligodynamic CS -- consider this an update -- These articles are recent and to say the least interesting!! in SILvation, Douglas H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers * From: SJY wrote: * Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:44:56 Folks, I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water, produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their results. From what I read on the web, they are constructed something like a CS generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and alkaline water separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and they cost a lot - over $500 usually. I suppose if one used silver electrodes, one could have the benefits of EIS as well as high pH water. Might this be the next advance in CS generators? Does anyone have plans for building one? Has anyone built their own, and if so, what are your results? Terry Chamberlain posted a website that had plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I think there should be simpler designs and construction methods. Thanks, --Steve Y. I have a Jupiter water ionizer and several of us used it for several months. Symptoms after a few months included dry and peeling skin, aggravation of psoriasis/eczema-like skin areas, drying and cracking of mucus membranes and rectal bleeding, general digestive upset. I did not think that it improved the taste of water, rather you could taste and feel that it was alkaline and not neutral. After a time we could not tolerate it even on the lowest settings. It did have a nice water filter with silver in it which we still use... Dan -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
Hi Dan, Read this website. It gives some insight into the alkaline water and the people that make these water ionizers always say to through the acid water away. I think they are wrong. The acid water is impaortant to consume also in small quantites. I consume acid water each day based on this information from a russian scientist Dr. Volkov http://www.h-longevity.net/eng/1.shtml Take care, V CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers * From: SJY wrote: * Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:44:56 Folks, I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water, produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their results. From what I read on the web, they are constructed something like a CS generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and alkaline water separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and they cost a lot - over $500 usually. I suppose if one used silver electrodes, one could have the benefits of EIS as well as high pH water. Might this be the next advance in CS generators? Does anyone have plans for building one? Has anyone built their own, and if so, what are your results? Terry Chamberlain posted a website that had plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I think there should be simpler designs and construction methods. Thanks, --Steve Y. I have a Jupiter water ionizer and several of us used it for several months. Symptoms after a few months included dry and peeling skin, aggravation of psoriasis/eczema-like skin areas, drying and cracking of mucus membranes and rectal bleeding, general digestive upset. I did not think that it improved the taste of water, rather you could taste and feel that it was alkaline and not neutral. After a time we could not tolerate it even on the lowest settings. It did have a nice water filter with silver in it which we still use... Dan -- -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
