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This is the latest information I have recieved regarding CAFTA and Codex. Read about Sec 3 and Sec 6 contained within CAFTA if you think Codex won't affect us here in America. Paula - Original Message - From: IAHF.COM j...@iahf.com To: p...@zoomnet.net Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: Talking Points We _CAN KILL CAFTA STOP CODEX FROM COMING HERE!!_ IAHF Webmaster: Codex Emergency, USA, What to Do: IAHF List: Please click on this link and listen to the audio announcement I just recorded Click This Link To Play http://PlayAudio-123.com/play.asp?m=195411f=XBIQOVps=7p=1 If you don't have speakers, not to worry- here was the gist of my message: CAFTA is in political trouble in the House. The Hispanic Caucus recently came out against it, saying that its bad for central America AND for the USA. Its pretty hard for Bush to do spin against the stats from the FAILED NAFTA Agreement- our trade deficit is up to $617 Billion, but beyond that, the jobs that initially went do Mexico have since all gone to even CHEAPER sources of third world labor in China, and elsewhere- and the same thing would happen in Central America. The Washington Post is calling this too close to call and says CAFTA could come down to ONE SINGLE VOTE in the House. So our calls and emails actually MATTER, and it REALLY helps when we get face to face meetings as I did yesterday and as some of you have also been getting with your congressmen. Tomorrow would be your last chance to meet with them in person before they return, and you should make the effort. In any case, please DO take the ACTION recommended below: On the HEALTH FREEDOM/ CAFTA FRONT: Yesterday I drove down to Bellingham WA and attended a Town Mtg run by my congressman, Rick Larsen. He already opposes CAFTA, but I'm hoping he might make a floor statement against it on the House floor which airs our concerns as dietary supplement consumers given the danger posed by the SPS language lurking within it. All its going to take is one or more Congressmen to air our concern from the House floor to put them ALL on notice that if they vote for CAFTA they'll be touching the THIRD RAIL and committing political SUICIDE by angering millions of vitamin consumers who wield huge impact at the ballot box. I told Larsen we were working hard to interest congressmen De Fazio and Paul to issue a Dear Colleague letter and to make floor statements to insure that members of the House realize that millions of vitamin consumers who flooded congress in '94 during the campaign to pass DSHEA will not tolerate CAFTA or anyone who votes for it. I made him aware that Section 6 of CAFTA would require the USA to form a Sanitary Phytosanitary Measures Committee for the purpose of insuring that we entered into a constant process of harmonizing our laws under the terms of the SPS Agreement in the WTO. I told him that Article 3 of the WTO's SPS Agreement requires us to harmonize our food safety laws (read DSHEA) to Codex standards. It states To harmonize sanitary and phytosanitary measures on as wide a basis as possible, Members SHALL base their food safety measures on international standards, guidelines or recommendations. (Codex sets the standards for food safety, including vitamins and minerals.) I handed him information that I'd previously sent to his aide and concluded by brief conversation after this Town Meeting by urging him to watch Kevin Miller's documentary We Become Silent at http://www.welltv.com and by handing him material to read on the plane on his way back to DC. Several other people on the IAHF list also had meetings with their congressmen during the July 4th recess and some of you may be able to get a meeting tomorrow in your congressman's district office in your home state or you may already have lined one up. If so, I hope this helps. Its important to realize that when congress reconvenes next monday(July 11th) they might not go straight to the House Floor on CAFTA, Bush could take a few days because he's desperate to line up more votes- but it will probably happen next week sometime. We have to keep calling (via Capital Switchboard 202-225-3121) and have to keep sending the following form letter in, right up til they vote, and please snowball this alert!! To email this to your congressman, please go to: http://www.house.gov/writerep/ CAFTA BAD FOR DIETARY SUPPLEMENT CONSUMERS- SPS LANGUAGE BURIED IN IT THREATENS HARMONIZATION TO CODEX Dear Congressman__ In 1994 vitamin consumers generated the largest volume of mail to Congress on any issue in the HISTORY of Congress when we passed the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994. Today, CAFTA threatens to undo all of our hard work, and to set the USA up for harmonization to an excessively restrictive global trade guideline for vitamins and minerals just finalized on July 4th 2005 at the 28 General Session of the UN's Codex Alimentarius Commission.
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This link gives you the latest info regarding Codex. Read this if you still think Codex won't apply here in the U.S. Paula http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/viamins%20to%20be%20banned%20worldwidehtm bfont face=Arial size=4 color=#80ibfont face=Arial size=4 color=#80Vitamins to be Banned Worldwide...-font-b-i...-font-b.url Description: Binary data No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/05
CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release
This article explains the whole situation we are facing regarding CAFTA and CODEX. I am sending it because we all need to act quickly. CAFTA is in trouble. There is a slim chance it will not pass. Paula http://www.thenhf.com/newsflash_49.htm NATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release.url Description: Binary data No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/05
Re: CS
Paula Perry wrote: http://PlayAudio-123.com/play.asp?m=195411f=XBIQOVps=7p=1 I have writen Mr. Bolen asking him to detail the legislative or other path that can be taken to disband our rights under DSHEA if any international treaty regarding supplements is signed by the US. I have asked others in the past and received emotional appeals and conspirational theories but nothing else. Once I receive a rational explanation I'll make up my mind. I worked very hard in Mass. to organize the petition drive and was able to submit thousands of letters to our legislators in support of DSHEA. I remember when Pharma wanted to amend DSHEA to shift the burden of proof to the industry and when just recently Durbin/Clinton/Kennedy wanted to amend it by adding an adverse effect tracking clause and make the industry responsible for such tracking. The number of letters and emails in both cases was so huge that they quickly realized the kind of support this freedom enjoys in this country and they withdrew. They are the enemy within and they are the ones we must control, because we can. We must redirect our efforts to be extremely vigilant about our legislators actions and weigh on them constantly and vigorously. If anyone knows better please let me hear from you. I ask for the forbereance of our moderator in ths issue. Is of such importance to aim the fire to the right enemy! Thx Frank Cuns-Rial - Original Message - From: Paula Perry p...@zoomnet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:03 AM Subject: CS This is the latest information I have recieved regarding CAFTA and Codex. Read about Sec 3 and Sec 6 contained within CAFTA if you think Codex won't affect us here in America. Paula - Original Message - From: IAHF.COM j...@iahf.com To: p...@zoomnet.net Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: Talking Points We _CAN KILL CAFTA STOP CODEX FROM COMING HERE!!_ IAHF Webmaster: Codex Emergency, USA, What to Do: IAHF List: Please click on this link and listen to the audio announcement I just recorded Click This Link To Play http://PlayAudio-123.com/play.asp?m=195411f=XBIQOVps=7p=1 If you don't have speakers, not to worry- here was the gist of my message: CAFTA is in political trouble in the House. The Hispanic Caucus recently came out against it, saying that its bad for central America AND for the USA. Its pretty hard for Bush to do spin against the stats from the FAILED NAFTA Agreement- our trade deficit is up to $617 Billion, but beyond that, the jobs that initially went do Mexico have since all gone to even CHEAPER sources of third world labor in China, and elsewhere- and the same thing would happen in Central America. The Washington Post is calling this too close to call and says CAFTA could come down to ONE SINGLE VOTE in the House. So our calls and emails actually MATTER, and it REALLY helps when we get face to face meetings as I did yesterday and as some of you have also been getting with your congressmen. Tomorrow would be your last chance to meet with them in person before they return, and you should make the effort. In any case, please DO take the ACTION recommended below: On the HEALTH FREEDOM/ CAFTA FRONT: Yesterday I drove down to Bellingham WA and attended a Town Mtg run by my congressman, Rick Larsen. He already opposes CAFTA, but I'm hoping he might make a floor statement against it on the House floor which airs our concerns as dietary supplement consumers given the danger posed by the SPS language lurking within it. All its going to take is one or more Congressmen to air our concern from the House floor to put them ALL on notice that if they vote for CAFTA they'll be touching the THIRD RAIL and committing political SUICIDE by angering millions of vitamin consumers who wield huge impact at the ballot box. I told Larsen we were working hard to interest congressmen De Fazio and Paul to issue a Dear Colleague letter and to make floor statements to insure that members of the House realize that millions of vitamin consumers who flooded congress in '94 during the campaign to pass DSHEA will not tolerate CAFTA or anyone who votes for it. I made him aware that Section 6 of CAFTA would require the USA to form a Sanitary Phytosanitary Measures Committee for the purpose of insuring that we entered into a constant process of harmonizing our laws under the terms of the SPS Agreement in the WTO. I told him that Article 3 of the WTO's SPS Agreement requires us to harmonize our food safety laws (read DSHEA) to Codex standards. It states To harmonize sanitary and phytosanitary measures on as wide a basis as possible, Members SHALL base their food safety measures on international standards, guidelines or recommendations. (Codex sets the standards for food safety, including vitamins and minerals.) I handed him information that I'd previously sent to his aide and concluded by brief conversation after this Town Meeting by
Re: CSode-water heater-overunity device
I've been following James Patterson for a number of years because he's a credible scientist and not just another hack who forgets to bring a part in order to 'not' be able to demonstrate their inventions. There is still a timetable for marketing the water heater...sometime soon..again. Apparently the thing works, no one knows why and it has reliability problems. Last I heard, much has to do with the actual crystaline structure and purity of the palladium coating on the little plastic balls and they're having a hard time getting the right palladium...and defining what the right palladium 'is'. Some works and some doesn't. Oil and car companies aren't the big evil dragons they're made out to be by people who 'blame them' for their own failures. When you hear Oil companies grabbed/ it supressed it, start looking into funds fraud. [Supressed 'what', Dennis Lee? Your exhaustless BrigsStratton engine with the pipe going into an ice pack chamber that can't possibly work more than 2 minutes? How about the one that runs on a water gas mix...except that water and gas don't stay mixed and gas vapors will run an engine? DUH! The implosion engine and doesn't, but looks like it does?] They are just like any other company that wants to stay in business in the face of their main product eventually becoming unviable. The profit margin on a gallon of gas is actually very low and the infrastucture costs enormous. [5 billion + dollars for a refinery?] but they do handle vast volume to make up the difference. No 'small' company could ever hope to even get started. [Even 'they' got started before it was all so huge.] ARCO may still be the biggest solar cell manufacturer in the world...maybe wind generators as well. They've all spent hundreds of millions in RD on fuels cells, wind power and many other alt fuels...more than anyone else. Toyota funded Pons and Fleishman , the originators of the cold fusion thing, [and still do] after everyone else [all knowing PHDs] brow beat the heck out of them with disbelief. If anything, it's skeptical mainstream PHDs who don't have the funds to take a risk or an ego that can handle something they 'don't know', standing in the way. On that note, oil and car companies are staying a bit quiet about the experiments that didn't work, or show 'some' promise but need a lot more work. It doesn't pay to publically stick your neck out unless there's a real head attached to it. You can find out what's up, but it takes some digging. Part of that, where auto tech is concerned, is that there are many ways to go, but only one can be implemented with available funds. It will cost trillions to make a change...and they don't have trillions to waste on a wrong decision. [Billions maybe, but not trillions] They aren't building any new refineries for a good reason. [Which is a part of why gas is high.] The same sort of thing is happening with the Pharms, big commercial concerns and silver nanotech...but note how many silver products have appeared in the last ten years. Ode At 08:53 AM 7/7/2005 -0700, you wrote: Wow, Ode!! Do you have any more recent 'stuff' about these devices? Something intelligible to the not-so-knowledgeable (totally ignorant)? Had heard that it might be possible to negate radioactivity and thus get rid of the r waste, but never heard anything else. And why the water heaters haven't made it to the shelves is a real mystery. Unless it's another sell out to oil. pj Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
Re: CSBrent's yellow CS
That's the one. Ode At 10:04 AM 7/7/2005 -0700, you wrote: Try this http://web.archive.org/web/20041103100216/http://colloidalsilvergens.com/ It's from November 3, 2004 Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:38 AM Subject: Re: CSNEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER--- http://www.colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm 'Brents' ultrasonic CS generator...previous pic showed deep yellow CS and was changed sometime last year. I think he added an air bubbler as well. [maybe that's why?] Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
Re: CSRe: Cold Fusion/ Hemp
I still have several copies of Jack Herers book The Emporer Wears No Clothes from when I went on the Hemp Tour promoting the thousands of proven and traditional uses of that plant. The story is there, quite well documented, chapter and verse. Email me privately if you want one. Virtually every bit of the info was gleaned from the Library of Congress. Hursts grandson publically apologized to the world. PS I don't smoke the stuff..it turns 'me' into a statue with cotton mouth and I have more interesting things to do, but I know hundreds of people who do, with no ill effects on their lives other than occasional 'cop-itis'. ..it doesn't make people lazy, it gives lazy people something to do for an excuse. If it messes up someone who isn't lazy..like me..they just don't do it. Ode At 01:47 PM 7/7/2005 -0400, you wrote: Guys-- do some reading on hemp and how it could replace millions of barrels of oil a day. WR Hurst did a real con job on the US. TJ - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Cold Fusion -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnetized Water
I've run many many batches of CS with huge fingersnipper neodymium magents taped to the container and I found absolutely no difference in the process or results. ..but that's me. My intent was to see if using magnets for stirring would consistantly mess things up. [didn't] ...there might be some effects that I can't see, but..I haven't seen them. I don't do gold...sooo... But with EIS silver, there are many many mystery variables. It can't ALL be 'phase of the moon', ey? Ode At 12:53 PM 7/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: Content-Disposition: inline Re: CSMagnetized Water From: Ode Coyote wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:58:51 --- - ## And there were no other variables? Try it again a few hundred times running concurrent batches both with and without magnets while eliminating any other differences. Then see if you get the same results with a prayer group instead of magnets or lack of magnets and/or group. [ode] * That sort of thing is best left up to a person such as yourself... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
Re: CSRe: Cold Fusion/ Hemp
Cotton farmers may have eventually been hurt, but it never got that far. The cotton industry of the time was burning out the land to the point that all that land would grow was short needle scrub pines which will grow in places where even grass won't due to their really deep tap roots. Walk through most Southern Pine Forests and you can still see the cotton field terraces. [I live in one] It was paper from wood pulp that did the deed with William Randolf Hearst in the lead. He had just bought millions of acres of forest in Mexico when the hemp processing machine was invented and that threatened his newspaper empire. He used his empire to start a 'yellow journalism' pack of lies propaganda campaign keying into anti Mexican immigrant and anti Black 'job stealer' sentiments of the depression era and lobbied congress with an intentional loco-weed=marijuana twist. Hearst invented a non existant problem to justify irrational fears and the paranoid peoples bought it wholesale. Everyone knew what hemp was, grew it and used it for hundreds of things, but virtually no one used the term 'marijuana' except Blacks and Mexicans. It was Kentuckys major cash crop. I have a friend whos' Dad actually emptied bags of marijuana seeds out of airplanes onto farm fields for a living during WW2 because Hemp was so valuable to the military. The remnants of that Gov't campaign is now the legendary 'ditchweed' of the Midwest. [Smoke a ton and get a headache] Loco-weed is really a very common weed of the Datura family [Jimson weed] and contains high levels of scopolamine [sleep aid..see 'sleepeaze'] and atropine [used as a poison antidote by 'home security' etc] Don't make a tea of loco-weed roots or seeds or you'll find out what trip really means..for several days. [as I found out many years ago] ..makes for crazy cows who eat it by accident...hence the name loco weed ..lotsa fun..never ever again. If you get poisoned, nowmight be worth it. [Crazy for 3 or 4 days beats being dead] What is not realized is that commercial growing of hemp would probably make growing high potency 'pot' impossible outdoors. They are the same plant, just different strains with the low potency strains dominant. Ode [still crazy after all these years?] At 02:28 PM 7/7/2005 -0400, you wrote: Yeh, that is a good karmic story. The main reason for stopping the growing of hemp was because the cotton farmers were being hurt financially by it, it was cheaper to grow, and replaced cotton many places. There were varieties that had almost no hallucigen in it, but they still used that to outlaw it. Then when the synthetics replaced cotton, the cotton farmers starting crying to be able to grow hemp, but they were then unable to get the law appealed that they originally sought. So their original greed ended up eventually bankrupting many if not most of them. Marshall T J Garland wrote: Guys-- do some reading on hemp and how it could replace millions of barrels of oil a day. WR Hurst did a real con job on the US. TJ - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Cold Fusion James Patterson [inventer of microspheres, used every freekin where in every flippin thing these days] tried to market a cold fusion water heater a while back. For some reason it didn't take off. Time to check back in? http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/abc.html During the last year, Patterson's little beads have led to a huge surprise. Not only do they produce heat. It turns out, they also neutralize radioactivity. http://www.lightparty.com/Peace/MiracleInTheVoid.html Clean Energy Technologies (CETI) is marketing licenses for the a power cell invented by Dr. James Patterson, a scientist with a distinguished record of achievement. News of his device spread widely when it was discussed on two ABC shows, Nightline and Good Morning America. http://www.cleanenergy.com/ Clean Energy Technologies (CETI) ..no mention of Dennis [the crook] Lee, for a change. [If you ever get the chance, DO go see the show. It's a FACINATING display of con artistry and emotional manipulation surpassed by none...just don't give him any money. PS, you WILL 'want' to.] http://www.phact.org/e/z/leemotortest.htm http://www.phact.org/e/dennis.html People are still saying that Tesla 'made' free energy...never happened. Train loads of coal paid for by George Westinghouse was doing that job. Tesla wanted to freely 'transmit' energy...like every radio station does today, by the multi megawatt. [Which incidently, lets people who live near by pull out flourecent tubes from the closet for free light] Got an antenna as big as a frigate sail? Oh! Wrong frequency! See H.A.R.P. [and have that pointed at your house?] Ode At 02:45 PM 7/6/2005 +0900, you wrote: This is a useful introduction to the
Re: CSNEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER--REPLY1
The ultra sound does cavitate the water..to what end, I dunno. Probably just a 'gee whiz' thing. Apparently it didn't do much in the way of mixing either..a bubbler was added. I tried using vibration to stir...didn't do much. Does shake crap off the electrodes though. Getting sound itself to disintigrate a soft ductile material like pure silver could be quite a trick. It doesn't disintegrate your jewelry, it just dislodges dirt. Cavitation of water [water friction?] might eventually erode the surface, but again, soft ductile materials tend to just change shape when impacted rather than erode. Let us know if you succeed. Ode At 04:45 PM 7/7/2005 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 07/07/2005 15:46:10 GMT Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: sorry but Brents is NOT an ultrasonic cs maker at all. if u read the site carefully. the ultrasonic pulses are used to improve mixing and lower surface tension of the water. i.e its not ultrasonic caviation at all Subj: Re: CSNEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER--- Date: 07/07/2005 15:46:10 GMT Daylight Time From: odecoy...@alltel.net (Ode Coyote) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com http://www.colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm 'Brents' ultrasonic CS generator...previous pic showed deep yellow CS and was changed sometime last year. I think he added an air bubbler as well. [maybe that's why?] Ode At 04:02 AM 7/7/2005 EDT, you wrote: This is my idea entirely. use ultrasonic cavitation to make colloidal silver which is made of silver particles instead of ionic colloidal silver using electric current. an ultrasonic jewellery cleaning device can be used and costs about $100. a silver sheet or wire would be immersed in water and the device switched on. ultrasonic cleaning is well researched. look in google. the frequency can be adjuted to control the size of silver paticles.or the power level. the tank or container can be made of an inert plastic. remember maximum cavitation will occur near the ultrasonic transducer and so the silver wire/silver plate can be put next to the transducer immersed in water. the walls of the container will be much further away and as the power falls off very rapidly with distance from the ultrasonic transducer therefore minimal erosion of the container will occur. Also in a brilliant innovative twist the container can be made of pure silver or coated with pure silver. the fineness of silver particles depends on the power level of the transducer and the distance from the ultrasonic transducer. further the ultrasonic from 15 khz to 70 khz fequency will also have an effect. generally higher frequencies and lower powers will produce finer and smaller particles due to cavitation/abrasion by the liquid into which the metal is immersed.(water) i should point out no one has as far my research can tell in google has ever attempted to make non-ionic colloidal silver by this method. I understand meso silver is made by vacuum evaporation and deposition and is complex and expensive although particle size is very small. I urge you and others to experiment using ultrasonic methods.An ultrasonic jewellery cleaner can be purchased for about $100. a second hand one for even less and will last a long time. no doubt you could even patent the process and become rich and throw a few breadcrumbs this way too. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
Re: CSNEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---reply 2
www.silver-colloids.com analysis of American Biotech Labs ASAP solution indicates that it is not metallic particulate CS. ..is, in fact, 96.6% ionic. It was at one time made with 6 CSpro LVDC machines in a vat with a stir stick. They might be using CSpros medium voltage arc cone machines now, with a few modifications to the electrode feed. to make the same CS faster. Ode At 04:52 PM 7/7/2005 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 07/07/2005 18:32:20 GMT Daylight Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: You are correct in every way. i am asking you and others to experiment and innovate. recent research including trials done by American Biotic Labs. INDICATE THAT SMALL PARTICLE SIZE METALLIC CS IS VERY EFFECTIVE. www.silver-colloids.com also has vast amounts of cs info based on research. a dr gibbs has a free pdf booklet you can d/l based on experimental research. Subj: Re: CSNEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER--- Date: 07/07/2005 18:32:20 GMT Daylight Time From: mdud...@king-cart.com (Marshall Dudley) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com;silver-list@eskimo.com/A To:silver-list@eskimo.com Have you tried this, or is it just an idea? Since you have gone public with it, no one can patent it unless they can show they invented it before the date of this message. Brents design is only using sonic or ultrasonic for reducing the surface tension of a concentional electrostatic cell. Marshall veganexus...@aol.com wrote: This is my idea entirely. use ultrasonic cavitation to make colloidal silver which is made of silver particles instead of ionic colloidal silver using electric current. an ultrasonic jewellery cleaning device can be used and costs about $100. a silver sheet or wire would be immersed in water and the device switched on. ultrasonic cleaning is well researched. look in google. the frequency can be adjuted to control the size of silver paticles.or the power level. the tank or container can be made of an inert plastic. remember maximum cavitation will occur near the ultrasonic transducer and so the silver wire/silver plate can be put next to the transducer immersed in water. the walls of the container will be much further away and as the power falls off very rapidly with distance from the ultrasonic transducer therefore minimal erosion of the container will occur. Also in a brilliant innovative twist the container can be made of pure silver or coated with pure silver. the fineness of silver particles depends on the power level of the transducer and the distance from the ultrasonic transducer. further the ultrasonic from 15 khz to 70 khz fequency will also have an effect. generally higher frequencies and lower powers will produce finer and smaller particles due to cavitation/abrasion by the liquid into which the metal is immersed.(water) i should point out no one has as far my research can tell in google has ever attempted to make non-ionic colloidal silver by this method. I understand meso silver is made by vacuum evaporation and deposition and is complex and expensive although particle size is very small. I urge you and others to experiment using ultrasonic methods.An ultrasonic jewellery cleaner can be purchased for about $100. a second hand one for even less and will last a long time. no doubt you could even patent the process and become rich and throw a few breadcrumbs this way too. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
Re: CSRe: Re: CSRe: Cold Fusion/ Hemp
In WW2 many farmers were encouraged to grow hemp for the war effort. Hemp has hundreds of commercial uses--many replacing petroleum. ##... many were replaced BY petroleum. Henry Ford had a hemp plantation on Iron Mountain. He originally planned to fuel his cars on methonol and oil them with hemp seed oil. [Which works quite well, BTW] The paint had a hemp oil base as did most paints of the time. Out of all that, Henry Ford invented the charcoal briquette. Charcoal is a byproduct of making methonol from biomass. [or vice versa depending on end result intent of the process] Ode -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Cold Fusion/ Hemp
Not sure, there is information that both were against hemp: See http://kempscaseworks.com/GENERAL/HUMOR/50UselessFacts.htm 22. One of the reasons marijuana is illegal today is because cotton growers in the 30s lobbied against hemp farmers - they saw them as competitors. There is an excellent historical article on the whole affair at: http://www.hemp4fuel.com/nontesters/hemp4fuel/emperor.txt Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Cotton farmers may have eventually been hurt, but it never got that far. The cotton industry of the time was burning out the land to the point that all that land would grow was short needle scrub pines which will grow in places where even grass won't due to their really deep tap roots. Walk through most Southern Pine Forests and you can still see the cotton field terraces. [I live in one] It was paper from wood pulp that did the deed with William Randolf Hearst in the lead. He had just bought millions of acres of forest in Mexico when the hemp processing machine was invented and that threatened his newspaper empire. He used his empire to start a 'yellow journalism' pack of lies propaganda campaign keying into anti Mexican immigrant and anti Black 'job stealer' sentiments of the depression era and lobbied congress with an intentional loco-weed=marijuana twist. Hearst invented a non existant problem to justify irrational fears and the paranoid peoples bought it wholesale. Everyone knew what hemp was, grew it and used it for hundreds of things, but virtually no one used the term 'marijuana' except Blacks and Mexicans. It was Kentuckys major cash crop. I have a friend whos' Dad actually emptied bags of marijuana seeds out of airplanes onto farm fields for a living during WW2 because Hemp was so valuable to the military. The remnants of that Gov't campaign is now the legendary 'ditchweed' of the Midwest. [Smoke a ton and get a headache] Loco-weed is really a very common weed of the Datura family [Jimson weed] and contains high levels of scopolamine [sleep aid..see 'sleepeaze'] and atropine [used as a poison antidote by 'home security' etc] Don't make a tea of loco-weed roots or seeds or you'll find out what trip really means..for several days. [as I found out many years ago] ..makes for crazy cows who eat it by accident...hence the name loco weed ..lotsa fun..never ever again. If you get poisoned, nowmight be worth it. [Crazy for 3 or 4 days beats being dead] What is not realized is that commercial growing of hemp would probably make growing high potency 'pot' impossible outdoors. They are the same plant, just different strains with the low potency strains dominant. Ode [still crazy after all these years?] At 02:28 PM 7/7/2005 -0400, you wrote: Yeh, that is a good karmic story. The main reason for stopping the growing of hemp was because the cotton farmers were being hurt financially by it, it was cheaper to grow, and replaced cotton many places. There were varieties that had almost no hallucigen in it, but they still used that to outlaw it. Then when the synthetics replaced cotton, the cotton farmers starting crying to be able to grow hemp, but they were then unable to get the law appealed that they originally sought. So their original greed ended up eventually bankrupting many if not most of them. Marshall T J Garland wrote: Guys-- do some reading on hemp and how it could replace millions of barrels of oil a day. WR Hurst did a real con job on the US. TJ - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Cold Fusion James Patterson [inventer of microspheres, used every freekin where in every flippin thing these days] tried to market a cold fusion water heater a while back. For some reason it didn't take off. Time to check back in? http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/abc.html During the last year, Patterson's little beads have led to a huge surprise. Not only do they produce heat. It turns out, they also neutralize radioactivity. http://www.lightparty.com/Peace/MiracleInTheVoid.html Clean Energy Technologies (CETI) is marketing licenses for the a power cell invented by Dr. James Patterson, a scientist with a distinguished record of achievement. News of his device spread widely when it was discussed on two ABC shows, Nightline and Good Morning America. http://www.cleanenergy.com/ Clean Energy Technologies (CETI) ..no mention of Dennis [the crook] Lee, for a change. [If you ever get the chance, DO go see the show. It's a FACINATING display of con artistry and emotional manipulation surpassed by none...just don't give him any money. PS, you WILL 'want' to.] http://www.phact.org/e/z/leemotortest.htm http://www.phact.org/e/dennis.html People are still saying that Tesla 'made' free
Re: CSoff topic
In a message dated 7/6/05 12:46:40 PM Central Daylight Time, cking...@nycap.rr.com writes: Cats are smarter than dogs. You can't teach eight cats to pull a sled. I love that. MA
Re: CSMagnetized Water
I prefaced my post by remarking that Colloidal Gold is not CS, this being an example where magnetism did affect a process... I believe that it does strongly affect the CG High Voltage process - probably by affecting the plasma in some way and causing the colloidal particles to be disbursed in the water rather than being reabsorbed on the other electrode. This was shown by multiple people on a CG list and they had been requested to try it without being told that it had such and such a result. I duplicated the results myself, however I knew that some had had improved results. Exactly what it does... I don't know. Would it have the same affect on CS or Low Voltage systems?... I doubt it. I pretty much concur with your results with respect to CS (EIS) and especially Low Voltage process CS (EIS). Dan Re: CSMagnetized Water From: Ode Coyote wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:26:13 I've run many many batches of CS with huge fingersnipper neodymium magents taped to the container and I found absolutely no difference in the process or results. ..but that's me. My intent was to see if using magnets for stirring would consistantly mess things up. [didn't] ...there might be some effects that I can't see, but..I haven't seen them. I don't do gold...sooo... But with EIS silver, there are many many mystery variables. It can't ALL be 'phase of the moon', ey? Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release
Below is the response I got from my Senator. Not very heartening. Dear Mrs. : Thank you for writing to express your concerns regarding the Codex Alimentarius legislation proposed under the World Trade Organization (WTO). I appreciate the time you took to write. I understand your serious concern regarding this issue. As you know, the WTO is an international body which addresses the rules of trade between countries. At its heart are the WTO agreements, negotiated and signed by the bulk of the world's trading nations, which provide the legal ground-rules for international commerce. They are essentially contracts, binding governments to keep their trade policies within agreed limits. The availability of dietary supplements to the public is important, but it is equally important that these supplements do not put the consumer's health at stake. I believe that if we are to ensure the safety of those who consume dietary supplements, we must make sure that these supplements are not hazardous to their health.* *We cannot allow deaths, such as those caused by the dietary supplement Ephedra, to continue. Please know that I will continue to monitor the work of the WTO and be sure to keep your thoughts in mind as I do so. Again, thank you for writing. I hope that you will continue to keep me informed of your views and concerns. If you should have further questions regarding this or any other issue, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C office at (202) 224-3841, or visit my website at http://feinstein.senate.gov. Sincerely yours, Dianne Feinstein United States Senator http://feinstein.senate.gov Paula Perry wrote: This article explains the whole situation we are facing regarding CAFTA and CODEX. I am sending it because we all need to act quickly. CAFTA is in trouble. There is a slim chance it will not pass. Paula http://www.thenhf.com/newsflash_49.htm
RE: CSRe: Cold Fusion/ Hemp
D'ya tink that those who smoke the hemp and complained of cotton mouth upset the cotton growers so much that they (the cotton growers) went on a rampage . ed -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:19 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Cold Fusion/ Hemp I still have several copies of Jack Herers book The Emporer Wears No Clothes from when I went on the Hemp Tour promoting the thousands of proven and traditional uses of that plant. The story is there, quite well documented, chapter and verse. Email me privately if you want one. Virtually every bit of the info was gleaned from the Library of Congress. Hursts grandson publically apologized to the world. PS I don't smoke the stuff..it turns 'me' into a statue with cotton mouth and I have more interesting things to do, but I know hundreds of people who do, with no ill effects on their lives other than occasional 'cop-itis'. ..it doesn't make people lazy, it gives lazy people something to do for an excuse. If it messes up someone who isn't lazy..like me..they just don't do it. Ode At 01:47 PM 7/7/2005 -0400, you wrote: Guys-- do some reading on hemp and how it could replace millions of barrels of oil a day. WR Hurst did a real con job on the US. TJ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS
It seems to me that one of the biggest barriers to competent discussion of the subject of colloidal silver, or ionic silver, or EIS is the lack of a common, specific definition of these terms. Add to this the fact that we define these words differently than the scientific medical world, and confusion reigns. When I began to search the internet for definitions, one of the first I found was Nenah Sylvers. The following is from her website: What is Colloidal and what is Ionic? When Definitions Can Confuse: Colloidal vs. Ionic minerals; defining Colloidal Silver In an effort to strike it rich in the health market, a few vocal advocates promote what they call colloidal minerals, claiming that these minerals are fine enough to be easily absorbed by the body. But the main definition of colloid is simply any substance that is broken down into minute particles and dispersed throughout a second substance (usually a liquid)and, by definition, a colloid is too large to pass through a living membrane. Further confirmation of the uselessness or outright danger of these colloidal minerals comes from recent investigators who warn that since the ancient plant beds from which these minerals are derived are fossilized, the minerals are actually rock (an inorganic source) rather than plantswhich makes them inassimilable. In contrast to the above, other liquid mineral supplements on the market are excellent, quickly and easily absorbed by the body. They are mistakenly called colloidal and should really be termed ionic or crystalloid minerals, since the particles are tiny enough to pass through living membranes and therefore can conduct an electrical charge. Adding to the confusion about the word colloid is yet another definition: any substance in solution through which an electrical charge was passed to break it down. Colloidal silver falls into this category. In this instance, the use of an electrical charge through pure silver causes the silver to break apart into fine enough particles so that the silver can penetrate cell membranes in the body and microbes as small as viruses. Electrified silver is used as a germicide for a variety of illnesses. What most people call colloidal silver is really ionic. Silver particles can only do their job when they are small enough to permeate a cell wall. [From Ninah Sylver] Next, I found this definition on mywiseowl.com: A colloid or colloidal dispersion, is a form of matter intermediate between a true solution and a mixture (suspension). Microscopic particles of one substance, said to be in the dispersed or solute phase, are distributed throughout another, said to be in the dispersing, continuous, or solvent phase. The field was introduced in 1861 by Scottish scientist Thomas Graham. Colloidal sizes range from 0.001 to 1 micrometers in any dimension. Dispersions where the particle size is in this range are referred to as colloidal aerosols, colloidal emulsions, colloidal foams, or colloidal suspensions. Colloids may be colored or translucent because of the Tyndall effect. The Tyndall effect is the scattering of light by particles in the colloid. http://www.mywiseowl.com/articles/Colloid Lastly, I found this one: Colloid: Microscopic particles suspended in some sort of liquid medium. The particles are between one nanometer and one micrometer in size and can be macromolecules. http://www.thebiotechdictionary.com/term/colloid Looking at ions, I found this on whatis.com: ion An ion is an atom or group of atoms in which the number of electrons is different from the number of protons. If the number of electrons is less than the number of protons, the particle is a positive ion, also called a cation. If the number of electrons is greater than the number of protons, the particle is a negative ion, also called an anion. A compound, as well as individual atom, can be ionized. A common example is nitrate, which consists of a nitrogen atom and 3 oxygen atoms (NO3) in the form of an anion; this is symbolized NO3- because it normally has a surplus of a single electron. http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,289893,sid9_gci859894,00.html So, silver-nitrate is ionic silver. The thing that I noticed was how different this was than how we use these words. Generally speaking, we tend to say colloidal when we mean particles small enough to float (stay in suspension) in liquid without having to be joined to a protein to stabilize the suspension. But, in fact, even mayonnaise is considered to be a colloid, and the silver proteins that we eschew are also colloids. According to mywiseowl, colloidal sizes range from 0.001 to 1 micrometers. According to Ninah Sylver (and other sources as well), a colloid is a particle too big to pass through a cell membrane. Not being able to pass through cell membranes, the benefits of colloidal silver would happen in the blood stream, as the silver particles come into contact with pathogens there. When we use the
Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release
Sen Feinstein should worry about the 100,000 plus deaths caused each year by the side effects of lawful and correctly prescribed medications. It is hypocresy to the nth degree! Frank - Original Message - From: Raine To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release Below is the response I got from my Senator. Not very heartening. Dear Mrs. : Thank you for writing to express your concerns regarding the Codex Alimentarius legislation proposed under the World Trade Organization (WTO). I appreciate the time you took to write. I understand your serious concern regarding this issue. As you know, the WTO is an international body which addresses the rules of trade between countries. At its heart are the WTO agreements, negotiated and signed by the bulk of the world's trading nations, which provide the legal ground-rules for international commerce. They are essentially contracts, binding governments to keep their trade policies within agreed limits. The availability of dietary supplements to the public is important, but it is equally important that these supplements do not put the consumer's health at stake. I believe that if we are to ensure the safety of those who consume dietary supplements, we must make sure that these supplements are not hazardous to their health. We cannot allow deaths, such as those caused by the dietary supplement Ephedra, to continue. Please know that I will continue to monitor the work of the WTO and be sure to keep your thoughts in mind as I do so. Again, thank you for writing. I hope that you will continue to keep me informed of your views and concerns. If you should have further questions regarding this or any other issue, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C office at (202) 224-3841, or visit my website at http://feinstein.senate.gov. Sincerely yours, Dianne Feinstein United States Senator http://feinstein.senate.gov Paula Perry wrote: This article explains the whole situation we are facing regarding CAFTA and CODEX. I am sending it because we all need to act quickly. CAFTA is in trouble. There is a slim chance it will not pass. Paula http://www.thenhf.com/newsflash_49.htm
CS
Hi, Feinstein has long ago sold her soul and will vote accordingly. I wrote her and got the same nonsensical reply. Jean Sen Feinstein should worry about the 100,000 plus deaths caused each year by the side effects of lawful and correctly prescribed medications. It is hypocresy to the nth degree! Frank - Original Message - From: Raine mailto:rainelov...@sbcglobal.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release Below is the response I got from my Senator. Not very heartening. Dear Mrs. : Thank you for writing to express your concerns regarding the Codex Alimentarius legislation proposed under the World Trade Organization (WTO). I appreciate the time you took to write. I understand your serious concern regarding this issue. As you know, the WTO is an international body which addresses the rules of trade between countries. At its heart are the WTO agreements, negotiated and signed by the bulk of the world's trading nations, which provide the legal ground-rules for international commerce. They are essentially contracts, binding governments to keep their trade policies within agreed limits. The availability of dietary supplements to the public is important, but it is equally important that these supplements do not put the consumer's health at stake. I believe that if we are to ensure the safety of those who consume dietary supplements, we must make sure that these supplements are not hazardous to their health. We cannot allow deaths, such as those caused by the dietary supplement Ephedra, to continue. Please know that I will continue to monitor the work of the WTO and be sure to keep your thoughts in mind as I do so. Again, thank you for writing. I hope that you will continue to keep me informed of your views and concerns. If you should have further questions regarding this or any other issue, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C office at (202) 224-3841, or visit my website at http://feinstein.senate.gov. Sincerely yours, Dianne Feinstein United States Senator http://feinstein.senate.gov Paula Perry wrote: This article explains the whole situation we are facing regarding CAFTA and CODEX. I am sending it because we all need to act quickly. CAFTA is in trouble. There is a slim chance it will not pass. Paula http://www.thenhf.com/newsflash_49.htm
Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release
Senator Feinstein already voted YES to CAFTA. She was one of something like 12 Democrats to side with Republicans to vote FOR CAFTA in the Senate where it has already passed. (These people have strong ties and obligations to big Pharma.) It will probably come up for a vote July 11 in the House where it is in trouble, so we need to keep the heat on. - Original Message - From: Raine To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release Below is the response I got from my Senator. Not very heartening. Dear Mrs. : Thank you for writing to express your concerns regarding the Codex Alimentarius legislation proposed under the World Trade Organization (WTO). I appreciate the time you took to write. I understand your serious concern regarding this issue. As you know, the WTO is an international body which addresses the rules of trade between countries. At its heart are the WTO agreements, negotiated and signed by the bulk of the world's trading nations, which provide the legal ground-rules for international commerce. They are essentially contracts, binding governments to keep their trade policies within agreed limits. The availability of dietary supplements to the public is important, but it is equally important that these supplements do not put the consumer's health at stake. I believe that if we are to ensure the safety of those who consume dietary supplements, we must make sure that these supplements are not hazardous to their health. We cannot allow deaths, such as those caused by the dietary supplement Ephedra, to continue. Please know that I will continue to monitor the work of the WTO and be sure to keep your thoughts in mind as I do so. Again, thank you for writing. I hope that you will continue to keep me informed of your views and concerns. If you should have further questions regarding this or any other issue, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C office at (202) 224-3841, or visit my website at http://feinstein.senate.gov. Sincerely yours, Dianne Feinstein United States Senator http://feinstein.senate.gov Paula Perry wrote: This article explains the whole situation we are facing regarding CAFTA and CODEX. I am sending it because we all need to act quickly. CAFTA is in trouble. There is a slim chance it will not pass. Paula http://www.thenhf.com/newsflash_49.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 7/8/05
CScodex-Raines letter
That is about the fifth letter that someone has recieved from a congressman mentioning Ephedra. Just because this one incident has occured, all of a sudden supplements are under scrutiny. They think that they are looking out for our health and then attempt to restrict our usage of alternative things to help our immune system. IT makes no sense. Well, at least you got a letter back. I called her office and wrote a letter. I didnt get any response. I did get someone to answer the phone right away and was pleasantly surprised about that. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release
I believe it is important to note here that she points out specifically to the few deaths caused by dietary supplement Ephedra, to continue as the rationale to protect the people . Specifically in this case ephedra was a concentrated isolated standardized form of a common herb. This phyto--Pharmacia was used and promoted in a way in which the herb by itself would never be used for. Herbalist have always cautioned in its use and was not for long term use. IN EFFECT this phyto--Pharmacia ephedra was responsible for killing and injuring people and while the simple whole herb, ephedra - got the blame. How could anyone make such a simple mistake? . Just as if one took the simple herb foxglove isolated, concentrated and standardized it into DIGITALIS it would be a drug and it as all drugs would kill people. Or where making a simple tea from the simple herb St John's Wort be as effective as the Anti-depressive drugs (and without side affects) yet when St John's Wort was concentrated isolated and standardized blamed on liver failure. YET there are no reported cases of the herb ma huang (ephedra) or the herb St John's Wort being associated with death or even injury !!! Where both Ma Huang and St John's Wort grow wild and may be made as a simple tea that offers relief quickly and affective it does take certain degree of expertise and expensive equipment to produce a concentrated, standardized isolation of a single ingredient. Then to market and promote such a product without any concerns of known reactions. ... .who would profit from such madness ... Ephedra - which was sold and marketed in Health Food Stores across the USA as a isolated, standardized concentrated extract was specifically promoted and marketed as a street drug. All those involved in this action knew it was speed. They also knew speed helped reduce the appetite (lose weight) and gave one lots of energy. It was also aimed at kids and ALL those involved in this knowingly were selling drugs. BTW, you can still LEGALLY BUY Ephedra at your local __drugstore__. Its over the counter (no prescription needed) Sudafed (and a few other brand names) Thank God, the PRESS and the Government protect the people... Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL [mailto:f...@atlanticbb.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release Sen Feinstein should worry about the 100,000 plus deaths caused each year by the side effects of lawful and correctly prescribed medications. It is hypocresy to the nth degree! Frank - Original Message - From: Raine To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release Below is the response I got from my Senator. Not very heartening. Dear Mrs. : Thank you for writing to express your concerns regarding the Codex Alimentarius legislation proposed under the World Trade Organization (WTO). I appreciate the time you took to write. I understand your serious concern regarding this issue. As you know, the WTO is an international body which addresses the rules of trade between countries. At its heart are the WTO agreements, negotiated and signed by the bulk of the world's trading nations, which provide the legal ground-rules for international commerce. They are essentially contracts, binding governments to keep their trade policies within agreed limits. The availability of dietary supplements to the public is important, but it is equally important that these supplements do not put the consumer's health at stake. I believe that if we are to ensure the safety of those who consume dietary supplements, we must make sure that these supplements are not hazardous to their health. We cannot allow deaths, such as those caused by the dietary supplement Ephedra, to continue. Please know that I will continue to monitor the work of the WTO and be sure to keep your thoughts in mind as I do so. Again, thank you for writing. I hope that you will continue to keep me informed of your views and concerns. If you should have further questions regarding this or any other issue, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C office at (202) 224-3841, or visit my website at http://feinstein.senate.gov. Sincerely yours, Dianne Feinstein United States Senator http://feinstein.senate.gov Paula Perry wrote: This article explains the whole situation we are facing regarding CAFTA and CODEX. I am sending it because we all need to act quickly. CAFTA is in trouble. There is a slim chance it will not pass. Paula http://www.thenhf.com/newsflash_49.htm
Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release
Incidentally, a judge has reversed the FDA ban on Ephedra and is again available. Regards Frank - Original Message - From: Ed Kasper To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: RE: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release I believe it is important to note here that she points out specifically to the few deaths caused by dietary supplement Ephedra, to continue as the rationale to protect the people . Specifically in this case ephedra was a concentrated isolated standardized form of a common herb. This phyto--Pharmacia was used and promoted in a way in which the herb by itself would never be used for. Herbalist have always cautioned in its use and was not for long term use. IN EFFECT this phyto--Pharmacia ephedra was responsible for killing and injuring people and while the simple whole herb, ephedra - got the blame. How could anyone make such a simple mistake? . Just as if one took the simple herb foxglove isolated, concentrated and standardized it into DIGITALIS it would be a drug and it as all drugs would kill people. Or where making a simple tea from the simple herb St John's Wort be as effective as the Anti-depressive drugs (and without side affects) yet when St John's Wort was concentrated isolated and standardized blamed on liver failure. YET there are no reported cases of the herb ma huang (ephedra) or the herb St John's Wort being associated with death or even injury !!! Where both Ma Huang and St John's Wort grow wild and may be made as a simple tea that offers relief quickly and affective it does take certain degree of expertise and expensive equipment to produce a concentrated, standardized isolation of a single ingredient. Then to market and promote such a product without any concerns of known reactions. ... .who would profit from such madness ... Ephedra - which was sold and marketed in Health Food Stores across the USA as a isolated, standardized concentrated extract was specifically promoted and marketed as a street drug. All those involved in this action knew it was speed. They also knew speed helped reduce the appetite (lose weight) and gave one lots of energy. It was also aimed at kids and ALL those involved in this knowingly were selling drugs. BTW, you can still LEGALLY BUY Ephedra at your local __drugstore__. Its over the counter (no prescription needed) Sudafed (and a few other brand names) Thank God, the PRESS and the Government protect the people... Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL [mailto:f...@atlanticbb.net] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release Sen Feinstein should worry about the 100,000 plus deaths caused each year by the side effects of lawful and correctly prescribed medications. It is hypocresy to the nth degree! Frank - Original Message - From: Raine To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release Below is the response I got from my Senator. Not very heartening. Dear Mrs. : Thank you for writing to express your concerns regarding the Codex Alimentarius legislation proposed under the World Trade Organization (WTO). I appreciate the time you took to write. I understand your serious concern regarding this issue. As you know, the WTO is an international body which addresses the rules of trade between countries. At its heart are the WTO agreements, negotiated and signed by the bulk of the world's trading nations, which provide the legal ground-rules for international commerce. They are essentially contracts, binding governments to keep their trade policies within agreed limits. The availability of dietary supplements to the public is important, but it is equally important that these supplements do not put the consumer's health at stake. I believe that if we are to ensure the safety of those who consume dietary supplements, we must make sure that these supplements are not hazardous to their health. We cannot allow deaths, such as those caused by the dietary supplement Ephedra, to continue. Please know that I will continue to monitor the work of the WTO and be sure to keep your thoughts in mind as I do so. Again, thank you for writing. I hope that you will continue to keep me informed of your views and concerns. If you should have further questions regarding this or any other issue, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C office at (202) 224-3841, or visit my website at http://feinstein.senate.gov. Sincerely yours,
RE: CSRe: Cold Fusion/ Hemp
I wasted (no pun intended) 5 years of my life smoking dope. It may not make you lazy but it sure does rob you of your drive. I found I was motivated to do nothing but look for the next joint. FINALLY after 5 years I suddenly realized THIS IS YOUR LIFE and if I didn't *do* something it would be my life for the rest of my years. I joined the Navy and kicked the habit. It was difficult to do. I am glad I left that lifestyle behind. Personally, I don't care if weed is legalized or not. People will find a way to get high (legal or not) of they are so inclined. Keeping it illegal doesn't stop it. Lori -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] ..it doesn't make people lazy, it gives lazy people something to do for an excuse. If it messes up someone who isn't lazy..like me..they just don't do it. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release
Although I've never heard it said (other than by me) it is my personal opinion that ephedra was banned in order to dry up an uncontrolled source of an ingredient which could be used to make crystal methadrine (speed)... Dan RE: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release * From: Ed Kasper wrote: * Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:02:02 I believe it is important to note here that she points out specifically to the few deaths caused by dietary supplement Ephedra, to continue as the rationale to protect the people . Specifically in this case ephedra was a concentrated isolated standardized form of a common herb. This phyto--Pharmacia was used and promoted in a way in which the herb by itself would never be used for. Herbalist have always cautioned in its use and was not for long term use. IN EFFECT this phyto--Pharmacia ephedra was responsible for killing and injuring people and while the simple whole herb, ephedra - got the blame. How could anyone make such a simple mistake? . Just as if one took the simple herb foxglove isolated, concentrated and standardized it into DIGITALIS it would be a drug and it as all drugs would kill people. Or where making a simple tea from the simple herb St John's Wort be as effective as the Anti-depressive drugs (and without side affects) yet when St John's Wort was concentrated isolated and standardized blamed on liver failure. YET there are no reported cases of the herb ma huang (ephedra) or the herb St John's Wort being associated with death or even injury !!! Where both Ma Huang and St John's Wort grow wild and may be made as a simple tea that offers relief quickly and affective it does take certain degree of expertise and expensive equipment to produce a concentrated, standardized isolation of a single ingredient. Then to market and promote such a product without any concerns of known reactions. ... .who would profit from such madness ... Ephedra - which was sold and marketed in Health Food Stores across the USA as a isolated, standardized concentrated extract was specifically promoted and marketed as a street drug. All those involved in this action knew it was speed. They also knew speed helped reduce the appetite (lose weight) and gave one lots of energy. It was also aimed at kids and ALL those involved in this knowingly were selling drugs. BTW, you can still LEGALLY BUY Ephedra at your local __drugstore__. Its over the counter (no prescription needed) Sudafed (and a few other brand names) Thank God, the PRESS and the Government protect the people... Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 7/8/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Cold Fusion/ Hemp
What I am now waiting to hear is that cotton is actually a tremendously potent hallucinogen, a fact covered up by the powers-that-be in order to keep teenagers from smoking cotton balls.: ) Now that would be an interesting revelation! On Friday, Jul 8, 2005, at 23:49 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote: Not sure, there is information that both were against hemp: See http://kempscaseworks.com/GENERAL/HUMOR/50UselessFacts.htm 22. One of the reasons marijuana is illegal today is because cotton growers in the 30s lobbied against hemp farmers - they saw them as competitors. There is an excellent historical article on the whole affair at: http://www.hemp4fuel.com/nontesters/hemp4fuel/emperor.txt Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Cotton farmers may have eventually been hurt, but it never got that far. The cotton industry of the time was burning out the land to the point that all that land would grow was short needle scrub pines which will grow in places where even grass won't due to their really deep tap roots. Walk through most Southern Pine Forests and you can still see the cotton field terraces. [I live in one] It was paper from wood pulp that did the deed with William Randolf Hearst in the lead. He had just bought millions of acres of forest in Mexico when the hemp processing machine was invented and that threatened his newspaper empire. He used his empire to start a 'yellow journalism' pack of lies propaganda campaign keying into anti Mexican immigrant and anti Black 'job stealer' sentiments of the depression era and lobbied congress with an intentional loco-weed=marijuana twist. Hearst invented a non existant problem to justify irrational fears and the paranoid peoples bought it wholesale. Everyone knew what hemp was, grew it and used it for hundreds of things, but virtually no one used the term 'marijuana' except Blacks and Mexicans. It was Kentuckys major cash crop. I have a friend whos' Dad actually emptied bags of marijuana seeds out of airplanes onto farm fields for a living during WW2 because Hemp was so valuable to the military. The remnants of that Gov't campaign is now the legendary 'ditchweed' of the Midwest. [Smoke a ton and get a headache] Loco-weed is really a very common weed of the Datura family [Jimson weed] and contains high levels of scopolamine [sleep aid..see 'sleepeaze'] and atropine [used as a poison antidote by 'home security' etc] Don't make a tea of loco-weed roots or seeds or you'll find out what trip really means..for several days. [as I found out many years ago] ..makes for crazy cows who eat it by accident...hence the name loco weed ..lotsa fun..never ever again. If you get poisoned, nowmight be worth it. [Crazy for 3 or 4 days beats being dead] What is not realized is that commercial growing of hemp would probably make growing high potency 'pot' impossible outdoors. They are the same plant, just different strains with the low potency strains dominant. Ode [still crazy after all these years?] At 02:28 PM 7/7/2005 -0400, you wrote: Yeh, that is a good karmic story. The main reason for stopping the growing of hemp was because the cotton farmers were being hurt financially by it, it was cheaper to grow, and replaced cotton many places. There were varieties that had almost no hallucigen in it, but they still used that to outlaw it. Then when the synthetics replaced cotton, the cotton farmers starting crying to be able to grow hemp, but they were then unable to get the law appealed that they originally sought. So their original greed ended up eventually bankrupting many if not most of them. Marshall T J Garland wrote: Guys-- do some reading on hemp and how it could replace millions of barrels of oil a day. WR Hurst did a real con job on the US. TJ - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Cold Fusion James Patterson [inventer of microspheres, used every freekin where in every flippin thing these days] tried to market a cold fusion water heater a while back. For some reason it didn't take off. Time to check back in? http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/abc.html During the last year, Patterson's little beads have led to a huge surprise. Not only do they produce heat. It turns out, they also neutralize radioactivity. http://www.lightparty.com/Peace/MiracleInTheVoid.html Clean Energy Technologies (CETI) is marketing licenses for the a power cell invented by Dr. James Patterson, a scientist with a distinguished record of achievement. News of his device spread widely when it was discussed on two ABC shows, Nightline and Good Morning America. http://www.cleanenergy.com/ Clean Energy Technologies (CETI) ..no mention of Dennis [the crook] Lee, for a change. [If you ever get the chance, DO go see the show. It's a FACINATING display of con artistry and emotional
CSUrgent message re CODEX
Here is a letter from Dr. Len Horowitz Kallie Miller Dear Friends and Colleagues: The Globalists are pulling a fast one (again.) They've put the CODEX standardization issue into the CAFTA (Central American Free Trade Agreement). Without your political action NOW, we will lose what we have been fighting for for the last ten years...YOUR FREEDOM TO ACCESS OUR CREATOR'S NATURAL BOUNTY FOR HEALTHCARE AND HEALING!!! Link to: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?reads009 Here is a summary quote from John Hammel in Washington: www.iahf.com The Sanitary Phytosanitary Measures Agreement (SPS). The SPS Agreement expressly calls for countries to harmonize their domestic food safety standards to restrictive Codex standards (including those which stand to be ratified in July at Codex for vitamins and minerals.) While Codex will only be ratifying a framework on nutrient risk assessment, (their intent being to fill in the blanks on allowable potencies after the fact), we see the writing on the wall in terms of what those limits could be. Only the German Federal Institute of Risk Assessment has done the full extrapolation called for by Codex, and their projected Maximum Safe Permitted Levels include just 225 mg for vitamin C, 5 mcg for Vitamin D, 15 mg for vitamin E and just 5.4 mg for Vitamin B-6. (See table at www.alliance-natural-health.org/_docs/ANHWebsiteDoc_145.doc Even though today's Washington Post contains an article which states that CAFTA is in political trouble, we can't assume anything from that. Bush is pulling out all the stops to try to buy votes via slinging around political pork projects in an effort to try to entice fence sitters, and the US Chamber of Commerce has announced that they've gone on the warpath and that they'll be threatening to drive noncompliant members of Congress under in the next election- we we need to join forces with those other lobbying forces opposed to CAFTA because too much is at stake to ever take a chance on something this important. For a sample PETITION LETTER THAT YOU SHOULD IMMEDIATELY SEND TO YOUR CONGRESSIONAL REPS LINK TO: http://www.thenhf.com/newsflash_49.htm Much love in urgency, Len Horowitz -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS CODEX / how to contact your CONGRESSPERSON
Bingo. You hit the jackpot, V. stuff At 10:36 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote: Hi William, Yeah I know. I already rub my hands in eager anticipation for all the oportunities it will create. you know people are gonig to want their vitamins. we get to be an illegal Vitmin C dealer :-) Take care, V http://www.theledman.net http://www.pulsepowermeter.com If Codex goes through, and our government rolls over for this outrageous control of human rights, it will spawn the biggest underground bootleg market since prohibition. -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release
Hi, It is my opinion ephedra was competing with prescription speed/diet pills and therefore needed to be removed. Not because they were worried about anyone but because it was losing revenue for the pharma companies. It is all about money and they don't take kindly to anyone lowering their profits. Jean ** Although I've never heard it said (other than by me) it is my personal opinion that ephedra was banned in order to dry up an uncontrolled source of an ingredient which could be used to make crystal methadrine (speed)... Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
