CS>helpful web site on silver

[Betsy Coffey]

http://health.centreforce.com/health/silver.html
YOu need to scroll down and hit collodial silver uses.
LOts of good simple information




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Re: CS>nebulizers

[Marmar845]

I looked at the nebulizers at Vitalitymedical.com.  If one wanted to have one 
of these *on hand*, just in case, which one might be the most ideal for our 
purposes (inhaling CS)?   MA

CS>nebulizers

[Betsy Coffey]

There is a medical supply store that I have ordered
things from by mail. I was looking thru their catalog
tonite and noticed that they sell several different
types of nebulizers. They look like pretty good ones.
It looks like they sell to the public also. The toll
free number is 800-397-5899. They will mail you a
catalog if you request one. The web site is www.vitalitymedical.com




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Re: CS>

[M. G. Devour]

This is a good example of why you should *NEVER* spam forward a message 
to your entire address book!!!

Please don't send things like this to the Silver List! 

Thanks,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

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> Saturday, September 03, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: Fw: high gas prices kp
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Re: CS>Super silver

[scl...@netzero.com]

http://www.donsbach.com/oxygen.htm I found another product with oxygenated CS. 
Good price, well, the "club" price is anyway.
 
Steve

Re: CS>Orthodontia question...

[4optimallife]

My daughter who is now 45 had it.  After her permanent teeth came in, the 
dentist gave her some small elastics that she put on them every night when 
she went to bed.  She has perfect teeth now and it really cost us very 
little.


Her daughter has the same thing and she is only three at the moment.


Kallie Miller

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshalee Hallett" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Orthodontia question...



Hi, Mike,
Oh, rats!!
I wish I`d known that back when we first were on this list! She was young 
enough then...
I have a huge diastema (gap) in my front teeth too, and guess what? It 




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CS>Keyboard Loggers Hoax?

[Lea Ann]

According to Snopes, this is a hoax: 
http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/dellbug.asp


For a "techie" it should be pretty easy to get ahold of an actual Dell 600m 
laptop and find out if it is true.


Lea Ann

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: ; 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them


GOVERNMENT AND COMPUTER MANUFACTURERS CAUGHT INSTALLING HARD-WIRED 
KEYSTROKE

LOGGERS INTO ALL NEW LAPTOP COMPUTERS!

Devices capture everything you ever type, then can send it via your 
ethernet
card to the Dept. of Homeland Security without your knowledge, consent or 
a

search warrant each time you log onto the internet!
Freedom Of Information Act Requests For Explanation From DHS, refused.

http://www.halturnershow.com/KeystrokeLoggersInAllNewComputers.html

I guess I won't be getting any new computers.

Marshall 



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Re: CS>Super silver

[4optimallife]

- Original Message - 
"Terry Chamberlin"wrote:


I suggested to my client that

she buy some food grade hydrogen peroxide and add 5
drops of it to each dose of my CS.


What percentage of H202 and 5 drops in how much CS?

Thanks

Kallie




Ian said,
"Has anyone had experience with this product?"
http://www.supersilver.info/
Although the information doesn't appear to be on the
site, apparently this silver product is an oxygenated
product with oxygen combined with the silver in such a
way so that it binds to haemoglobin and gets taken to
every cell in the body."

A client of mine called me to discuss her adult
daughter, who had significant candida. When she drank
a bottle of Supersilver per week, her candida symptoms
abated. But she couldn't afford a $40 bottle per week.
She said she had tried my CS with no success. I looked
into Supersilver and discovered it was regular CS with
stabilized oxygen added. I suggested to my client that
she buy some food grade hydrogen peroxide and add 5
drops of it to each dose of my CS.

Weeks later, she called to report the same success
with regular CS (my own, 15-20 ppm) when she added
H2O2 to it as she had had with Supersilver.







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Re: CS>

[cking001]

Mike,

YELL AT HER!
Chuck

Beam me up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life here!


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CS>Super silver

[Terry Chamberlin]

Ian said,
"Has anyone had experience with this product?"
http://www.supersilver.info/
Although the information doesn't appear to be on the
site, apparently this silver product is an oxygenated
product with oxygen combined with the silver in such a
way so that it binds to haemoglobin and gets taken to
every cell in the body."

A client of mine called me to discuss her adult
daughter, who had significant candida. When she drank
a bottle of Supersilver per week, her candida symptoms
abated. But she couldn't afford a $40 bottle per week.
She said she had tried my CS with no success. I looked
into Supersilver and discovered it was regular CS with
stabilized oxygen added. I suggested to my client that
she buy some food grade hydrogen peroxide and add 5
drops of it to each dose of my CS.

Weeks later, she called to report the same success
with regular CS (my own, 15-20 ppm) when she added
H2O2 to it as she had had with Supersilver.







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Re: CS>Airbrush as nebulizer

Harbor Freight sells an airbrush compressor that works very nicely with
their airbrush.  It has a built-in regulator.  It goes on sale every now and
then for about $70.  The HF airbrush also goes on sale occasionally for
about $10.
--Steve Y.

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From: "ransley" 
To: "The Silverlist" ;
;
; 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: CS>Airbrush as nebulizer


> I'm not telling anyone to do this. I'm just relating what I am doing.
> Remember, nothing in the way of equipment listed here is in any way
approved
> for medical use.
>
> Compressor- a commonly available small OIL-LESS air compressor; these
things
> are NOISY. Cost around $150. I bought the smallest & lightest I could find
> at the time, since then I've seen a smaller one at Lowe's.
>
> Regulator- a commonly available subcompact air pressure line regulator.
> These regulators have trouble being reliably adjustable at below 20psi.
> These usually come on the compressor these days.
>
> Hose- standard black vinyl, red rubber, pvc or urethane air hose. Cheapest
> is all I need for this. I'm using the one that came with the compressor.
>
> Airbrush- Harbor Freight airbrush kit model 1500. Cost me $25 with
shipping.
> HF is terminally slow with the cheapest shipping option. It took two weeks
> to get here and their distribution center is 100 miles away.
>
> Standard brass 1/4" quick disconnect fittings between the regulator and
main
> hose, and between the main hose and the small airbrush hose in the kit.
>
> The kit comes with two glass bottles, I use the smaller one. The metal
"cup"
> is useless for this purpose. Save the larger bottle in case the small one
> gets broken.
>
> At 15 psi, this airbrush puts a out a fine mist that appears to be every
bit
> as fine as the mist form the nebulizer I've used for years. The main
> difference is that it is pressurized. A nebulizer chamber atomizes the
> liquid but disperses the pressure, so there is no pressure into the mouth.
> Disadvantage- makes me want to resist breathing it;
> Advantage- would be good if breathing were difficult.
> 20 psi is too much. This is not for a child to use unless an adult is
> controlling the trigger. There is an adjustment at the nose of the
airbrush,
> keep it tight for finest mist.
>
> At 15psi, I have the option of closing my mouth around it or holding it
out
> of my mouth and breathing the mist.
>
> The really big advantage is that this arrangement will conserve both the
CS
> mixture and the air used. The compressor won't run nearly as much as with
a
> nebulizer chamber since I am shutting the air off after every breath. This
> would be particularly advantageous if hooked it to a bottle of oxygen
(with
> an oxy regulator!!!). If I have to stop, I don't have to get up and cut
the
> air off, but of course that could be fixed on a nebulizer with a valve
> in-line close to me.
>
> Speaking of oxygen, you can buy small tanks with some metal cutting torch
> outfits. I came upon mine, brand new, because someone traded in one of
those
> tanks for a larger one at my local welding shop. I bought the tank for
$50.
>
> The trigger is a button on top that has a double action. You must depress
it
> and pull it back to get full fog. If you don't pull it back you're only
> getting air.
>
> This was worth doing to me, but then I love playing with this kinda stuff.
> Guy Thing.
>
> Daddybob
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CS>

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Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: Fw: high gas prices kp


>
>
>
> >From: "MED" 
> >To: , "Helen" , ,
> > , "eva" ,
> >,"Hali Hammer" ,
> >"Jennifer Demars" ,"hjdel...@hotmail.com"
> >,"Highgait's Paws: Dave"
,
> >,"Elaine Lee" 
> >Subject: Fw: high gas prices kp
> >Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:40:31 -0400
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Brandi" 
> >To: "Kimberly Belanger" ; "The Hickman Family"
> >; ; "Joanne Phillips"
> >; "Amanda" ; "LaDonna
> >Steinlicht" ; "Mel" ;
"Marnie"
> >; "Jackie Meeds" 
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:48 PM
> >Subject: Fw: high gas prices kp
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > To reduce gas prices.
> > > >> > >> >>>
> > > >> > >> >>>
> > > >> > >> 
> > > >> > >>  - >
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > It is rumoured that we are going to hit close to a $1.42
a
> > > >> > >>Litre
> > > >> > >> > by the winter. Want gasoline prices to come down? We
need
> >to
> > > >> > >>take some
> > > >> > >> > intelligent, united action. Someone offered this good
> > > >> > >>idea:This makes
> > > >> > >> > MUCH
> > > >> > >> > MORE SENSE than the don't buy gas on a certain day
> >campaign
> > > >> > >>that
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > was going around last April or May! The oil companies just
> > > >> > >>laughed at
> > > >> > >> > that
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves
> >by
> > > >> > >>refusing
> > > >> > >> > to
> > > >> > >> > buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it
was
> >a
> > > >> > >>problem
> > > >> > >> > for
> > > >> > >> > them. BUT, this is a plan that can really work. Please
> >read
> > > >> > >>it and
> > > >> > >> > join.
> > > >> > >> > We all know that we're being controlled by the oil
> > > >> > >>companies.
> > > >> > >> > Does everyone remember how they drove up the prices and
> >got
> > > >> > >>the gas
> > > >> > >> > prices to where they
> > > >> >wanted them, claiming there was a
> > > >> > >>shortage of
> > > >> > >> > oil.
> > > >> > >> > Well, there isn't any shortage now, and the oil is more
> > > >> > >>abundant than
> > > >> > >> > it
> > > >> > >> > was 35 years ago when the price of a gallon of gas was
29
> > > >> > >>cents!!!
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have
> > > >> > >>conditioned us to
> > > >> > >> > think that the cost of a litre of gas is CHEAP at
> > > >> > >>$0.78-$0.85, we need
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> > to
> > > >> > >> > take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control
> >the
> > > >> > >> > marketplacenot sellers. With the price of gasoline
> > > >> >going
> > > >> > >>up more
> > > >> > >> > each
> > > >> > >> > day, we
> > > >> > >> > consumers need to take action.. The only way we are
going
> >to
> > > >> > >>see the
> > > >> > >> > price
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook
by
> > > >> > >>not
> > > >> > >> > purchasing
> > > >> > >> > their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
> > > >> > >>How? Since we
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> > all
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > rely on our cars we cant just stop buying gas.. But we
CAN
> > > >> > >>have an
> > > >> > >> > impact
> > > >> > >> > on
> > > >> > >> > gas prices if we all act together to
> > > >> >force a price war.
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > Here's the idea:
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > PAY ATTENTION HERE
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline
> > > >> > >> > from the two biggest companies (which now are one),
PETRO
> > > >> > >>CANADA,
> > > >> > >> > SHELL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be
> > > >> > >>inclined to
> > > >> > >> > reduce
> > > >> > >> > their
> > > >> > >> > prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies
> > > >> > >>will have to
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> >follow
> > > >> > >> > suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally
> > > >> > >>millions of
> > > >> > >> > PETRO
> > > >> > >> > CANADA and SHELL buyers. Its really simple to do! ! Now,
> > > >> > >>don't whimp
> > > >> > >> > out
> > > >> > >> > on
> > > >> > >> > me at this point...keep reading and Ill explain how
simple
> > > >> > >>it is to
> > > >> > >> > reach millions of people!!
> > > >> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > I am sending this note to at least thirty people. If
each
> >of
> > > >> > >>you send
> > > >> > >> > it
> > > >> > >> > to
> > > >> > >> > at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) . and those 300 send
it
> >to

CS>MSP to marshall

[Betsy Coffey]

I understand now.Thanks for the explanation Marshall.
I also understand what you mean now by being misslabeled.



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Re: CS>H2O2 measurements

[Marshall Dudley]

FRANK CUNS-RIAL wrote:

> Marshall, I suspect that the peroxide would oxidize the ionic silver from
> one free reactive electron to two, reacting simultaneously and stripping an
> oxygen from the peroxide and releasing water.
> Ag+1 + H2O2=AgO +H2O
> This reaction is stoichiometrically balanced and chemically viable.

Well, first it is not actually AgO, but will always take the form of Ag2O2. That
is usually called silver peroxide, what we normally find formed is silver oxide
Ag2O.  Ag2O2 is TOTALLY insoluble, so it cannot be in any of the ionic silver.

However you may have found a key to what may be happening when insufficient H2O2
is added, and the solution will become milky until a little more H2O2 is added.
Not sure how you would test for that.

> It may
> help in the form of catalysis, heat, etc.  (I have not checked the
> electropotentials of each entity)
> Whether it happens only experiementation would tell.
> I also suspect it'd be rather difficult for the peroxide (even 35%) to react
> with the free metal, other than a surface oxidation.

We have done the experiments, and 3% H2O2 will react with silver metal. It forms
the oxide, as expected, and the oxide dissolves until the solubility limit is
reached, then it forms an oxide layer on the metal.  Also tyndall will form
indicating that the silver oxide also gets changed to a colloid at the same
time.

Marshall



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Re: CS>H2O2 measurements

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Marshall, I suspect that the peroxide would oxidize the ionic silver from 
one free reactive electron to two, reacting simultaneously and stripping an 
oxygen from the peroxide and releasing water.

Ag+1 + H2O2=AgO +H2O
This reaction is stoichiometrically balanced and chemically viable. It may 
help in the form of catalysis, heat, etc.  (I have not checked the 
electropotentials of each entity)

Whether it happens only experiementation would tell.
I also suspect it'd be rather difficult for the peroxide (even 35%) to react 
with the free metal, other than a surface oxidation.


Frank

.- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:00 PM
Subject: CS>H2O2 measurements



I am making up some CS for a vet who wants it H2O2 energized.
Previously on this list we have discussed exactly what H2O2 does when
added to brewed EIS (CS).  Basically the action is fairly complex, and
can result in clearing yellow cs, and in other cases clouding clear cs,
depending on the colloidal content, the ionic content, and the amount of
hydrogen peroxide added.  I will be analyzing the addition of 3% H2O2,
if you are using 35% then then amount used should be cut by slightly
over 10:1.

H2O2 has the unique property of combining with the colloidal component
of EIS, making silver oxide AND reacting with silver oxide producing
colloidal particles of only 2 atoms each releasing oxygen.  If during
this time the amount of silver oxide exceeds the solubility limit of
about 13 ppm*, the solution may become cloudy.  If the EIS has color,
this will also typically disappear if the solubility limit of the silver
oxide is not exceeded.

At this time is is unclear what the stochastic are of the two
reactions.  They likely do depend on H2O2 concentration, and possibly
temperature or other factors.  However an analysis of the chemistry does
indicate that one does not want an excessive amount of H2O2 once it is
mixed with anything else or taken internally.  The reason for this is
that as long as there is any remaining H2O2 there is a continuous
conversion back and forth between silver particles and silver oxide, and
if you mix it with anything that has a chlorine component (saliva,
stomach acid, blood), the silver oxide immediately becomes silver
chloride and is no longer available to make particles, and if over about
.8 ppm, will precipitate out.  This will stop the conversion of the
ionic portion to the particulate portion, but will not stop the
particulate to the ionic, thus causing the colloidal portion to decrease
while the silver chloride increases over time.  This is one reason for
the recommendation to let it sit for 5 or so minutes before taking, to
hopefully allow the excess H2O2 to be used up.

So what we want to add is probably something on the order of the amount
of H2O2 that represents a 5:1 to 10:1 ratio of molecules of H2O2 to
silver atoms.  The reason why we want an excess over 1:1 are twofold.
First we start with about 90% ionic, and 10% colloidal, but the
particles are much larger than 2 atoms each.  We must break down the
larger particles which is going to use up some of the needed H2O2 to
convert them to silver oxide first. But even more importantly, as we
convert 2 atom silver oxide to silver particles, 2 atom silver particles
are being converted back to silver oxide.  So we have an exponential
rate of change over time with increasing particle content, where the
final result is approached exponentially. This basically means we will
need an excess of H2O2 to get anywhere near the highest conversion to
particles, an excess which I estimate to be on the order of 5:1 to 10:1.

Now for some numbers.

60 drops = 1 teaspoon
48 teaspoons = 1 cup = 8 oz
16 cups = 1 gallon
mw of silver = 108
mw of H2O2 = 34

10 ppm of silver in water will require 3.14 (10*34/108) ppm of H2O2 to
have an equal number ot atoms of silver vs molecules of H2O2.
One cup of EIS will contain 2880 drops, so 3.14*2880/(.03*100) = 0.3
drops of 3% H2O2 would correspond to a equal number of molecules of H2O2
vs silver atoms.

A 5:1 to 10:1 excess would indicate the optimum amount of 3% H2O2 added
to a cup of 10 ppm CS would be 1.5 to 3 drops.  This agrees very well
with the experimental results people have reported here that an
effective ratio is a couple of drops per glassful.  That works out to
about 1/2 teaspoon per gallon. Of course 20 ppm CS would require twice
those values.

* silver oxide spontaneously hydrates to silver hydroxide, which
spontaneously dehydrates back to silver oxide.  The result is that
normally one will have approximately equal amounts of both giving a
total solubility limit of the two of them of about 26 ppm total (13 ppm
each).

Marshall



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Re: CS>Blue nails

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

William, I have nt heard os Selenium being applicable to blue nails but you 
should not exceed 400 micrograms of
organically bound selenium for one month. Long-term supplementation is safe 
at 200 mcg.

More importantly, why are you getting blue nails?
take care
Frank - Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Blue nails


Which leads to what is a good supplemental dose of selenium for the 
purposes of reversing or preventing blue nails, etc?


sol

William Missett wrote:

I'm taking 400 iu of Vit. 3 and a moderate selenium dosage, 25 mcg. 
daily, and have been for years.  I'll have to boost my selenium intake. 
Thanks for the tip



There is specific evidence that increasing one's
intake of selenium and Vit E increases the body's
utilization of silver (and diminishes its tendency to
accumulate silver in the skin or elsewhere). The
corollary idea is that a deficiency of these nutrients
contributes to a susceptibility to argyria

If I had blue anything, I would supplement with those items.




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Re: CS>unsubscribe\

[4optimallife]

You can go to the Newbie club and purchase a book all about email.  I have a 
couple of their books and like them

http://www.newbieclub.com/?pc_easylearning

Kallie Miller
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lea Ann 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:35 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>unsubscribe\


  When I was a computer "newbie" I wish I could have been directed to a web 
page expalining things like how to create e-mail folders.  

  Now, I have a different Email folder for every Email list I belong to (or I 
group them according to subjects).

  But back then, I didn't even know what the term "Email folder" meant.

  It's a learning curve.

  Lea Ann

Re: CS>unsubscribe\

[Lea Ann]

When I was a computer "newbie" I wish I could have been directed to a web page 
expalining things like how to create e-mail folders.  

Now, I have a different Email folder for every Email list I belong to (or I 
group them according to subjects).

But back then, I didn't even know what the term "Email folder" meant.

It's a learning curve.

Lea Ann
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  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>unsubscribe\


  I think we have a bunch of people who have joined the list that forgot how to 
read first! 
  Marshall 

  Lisa Walker wrote: 

I would like that too please.  I get every single post as an email and I 
don't know how to stop it and it's filling up my inbox.  Please unsubscribe me 
from the list.Thanks! 
j-sutterfield  wrote: 

  Please, PLEASE, unsubscribe me from this list! 

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RE: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

[Ernie Patai]

Thanks that clears things up.

:-)

Ernie

Silly people we are. hahaha


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RE: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

[Ernie Patai]

Hi,

You cannot change a keyboard on a laptop. I won't work.
That is why they aren't doing it with Desktop computers. They already
figured that one out. (Grin) 

Ernie

-Original Message-
From: Deb&Mark [mailto:spa...@warwick.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:52 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

Just use an older keyboard.  It should work.  Deb



> GOVERNMENT AND COMPUTER MANUFACTURERS CAUGHT INSTALLING HARD-WIRED 
> KEYSTROKE
> LOGGERS INTO ALL NEW LAPTOP COMPUTERS!
>
 


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RE: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

[Heather King (LCA)]

Sorry kids...it's an internet hoax. :-(

http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/internet.asp

Check out the bottom entry on this page.

Heather

-Original Message-
From: Deb&Mark [mailto:spa...@warwick.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:52 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

Just use an older keyboard.  It should work.  Deb


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: ; 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them


> GOVERNMENT AND COMPUTER MANUFACTURERS CAUGHT INSTALLING HARD-WIRED 
> KEYSTROKE
> LOGGERS INTO ALL NEW LAPTOP COMPUTERS!
>
> Devices capture everything you ever type, then can send it via your 
> ethernet
> card to the Dept. of Homeland Security without your knowledge, consent
or 
> a
> search warrant each time you log onto the internet!
> Freedom Of Information Act Requests For Explanation From DHS, refused.
>
> http://www.halturnershow.com/KeystrokeLoggersInAllNewComputers.html
>
> I guess I won't be getting any new computers.
>
> Marshall
>
>
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Re: CS>cs to paula

[Paula Perry]

Marshall,
Thanks for telling me that. I just didn't know there was a difference like
that. I was thinking the 500 ppm was good stuff and fell for the sales
pitch. For what I paid for the CS from Herbal Healer I could have bought a
machine and then some.
Paula
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: CS>cs to paula


> Betsy Coffey wrote:
>
> > I have also as mentioned before, seen silver sold for
> > 500ppm. Someone mentioned that the labeling was
> > mistaken which may be true except that I have seen at
> > least three different brands sold at this amount.
>
> I have seen it 5 or more times myself, and in every case when checked out,
> it is mislabelled.
>
> > I am
> > trying to figure out ,if it is effective at a lower
> > dose and not as risky, why it would be sold at such a
> > high amount.
>
> Because it is MSP, which has an effectiveness of about 1/50 of true
> colloidal silver.  Thus it will give you a silver load equalivent to 500
> ppm, but an effectiveness comparable to 10 ppm of true CS.  It can also
> cause argyria.
>
> Think of it this way.  Lets say you have a bunch of ball bearings, and you
> find how much metal you have exposed. Then you take those ball bearings
and
> encase them in a big ball of rubber.  A few of them will be exposed on the
> surface, but most will be hidden inside.  Once again compute the surface
of
> the ball bearings that are exposed, and you will likely find only 1% as
> much effective area.  Similar thing happens with MSP.
>
> Marshall
>
>
>
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Re: CS>cs to paula

[Paula Perry]

I'm not sure if I am or not. I wouldn't say I get dramatic results. I'm not
getting sick as often as I used to, and when I do catch a cold or flu I can
get rid of it a lot faster. But, I take a lot of different things as well.
Paula
- Original Message - 
From: "Betsy Coffey" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:10 PM
Subject: CS>cs to paula


> I have also as mentioned before, seen silver sold for
> 500ppm. Someone mentioned that the labeling was
> mistaken which may be true except that I have seen at
> least three different brands sold at this amount. I am
> trying to figure out ,if it is effective at a lower
> dose and not as risky, why it would be sold at such a
> high amount.
> Are you having results with this silver that you
> purchased?
>
>
>
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Re: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

Just use an older keyboard.  It should work.  Deb


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: ; 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them


GOVERNMENT AND COMPUTER MANUFACTURERS CAUGHT INSTALLING HARD-WIRED 
KEYSTROKE

LOGGERS INTO ALL NEW LAPTOP COMPUTERS!

Devices capture everything you ever type, then can send it via your 
ethernet
card to the Dept. of Homeland Security without your knowledge, consent or 
a

search warrant each time you log onto the internet!
Freedom Of Information Act Requests For Explanation From DHS, refused.

http://www.halturnershow.com/KeystrokeLoggersInAllNewComputers.html

I guess I won't be getting any new computers.

Marshall



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Re: CS>cs to paula

[Marshall Dudley]

Betsy Coffey wrote:

> I have also as mentioned before, seen silver sold for
> 500ppm. Someone mentioned that the labeling was
> mistaken which may be true except that I have seen at
> least three different brands sold at this amount.

I have seen it 5 or more times myself, and in every case when checked out,
it is mislabelled.

> I am
> trying to figure out ,if it is effective at a lower
> dose and not as risky, why it would be sold at such a
> high amount.

Because it is MSP, which has an effectiveness of about 1/50 of true
colloidal silver.  Thus it will give you a silver load equalivent to 500
ppm, but an effectiveness comparable to 10 ppm of true CS.  It can also
cause argyria.

Think of it this way.  Lets say you have a bunch of ball bearings, and you
find how much metal you have exposed. Then you take those ball bearings and
encase them in a big ball of rubber.  A few of them will be exposed on the
surface, but most will be hidden inside.  Once again compute the surface of
the ball bearings that are exposed, and you will likely find only 1% as
much effective area.  Similar thing happens with MSP.

Marshall



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Re: CS>unsubscribe\

[Raine]

I see people on every list I'm on that demand to be unsubscribed. I 
wonder how they subscribed themselves in the first place, if they can't 
figure out how to do the opposite.


-Raine

Marshall Dudley wrote:

I think we have a bunch of people who have joined the list that forgot 
how to read first!


Marshall






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CS>cs to paula

[Betsy Coffey]

I have also as mentioned before, seen silver sold for
500ppm. Someone mentioned that the labeling was
mistaken which may be true except that I have seen at
least three different brands sold at this amount. I am
trying to figure out ,if it is effective at a lower
dose and not as risky, why it would be sold at such a
high amount.
Are you having results with this silver that you
purchased? 



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Re: CS>SuperSilver

[Jason E]

Greetings Ian:

This product may be American Biotech Labs Silver ( ASAP ) relabled.

I would be willing to bet on it, but I know for certain that these guys 
( supersilver.info ) do not manufacture their own product.


Kind Regards,

Jason

Ian Roe wrote:

http://www.supersilver.info/


Has anyone had experience with this product?

Although the information doesn't appear to be on the site, apparently 
this silver product is an oxygenated product with oxygen combined with 
the silver insuch a way so that it binds to haemoglobin and gets taken 
to every cell in the body.


Or is this just another proprietary gimmick that holds no greater 
promise than CS itself.


Ian

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CS>SuperSilver

[Ian Roe]

http://www.supersilver.info/


Has anyone had experience with this product?

Although the information doesn't appear to be on the site, apparently this 
silver product is an oxygenated product with oxygen combined with the silver 
insuch a way so that it binds to haemoglobin and gets taken to every cell in 
the body.


Or is this just another proprietary gimmick that holds no greater promise 
than CS itself.


Ian 



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Re: CS>Question about CS

[Paula Perry]

Thanks for explaining. What would be the best device to get so that I can try 
to make some? I had heard of a device created or sold under Bob Beck? Is that 
any good?
Paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ode Coyote 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:41 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Question about CS


  CS in any form was never part of any official pharmacopeia as they were not 
'official' till after CS fell out of use, therefore, it cannot be 
"grandfathered" as a drug.
  Sellers of Mild Silver Protein are under the same sales claim constraints 
that everyone else is.
  When MSP sellers make what 'appear' to be claims, it's a matter of 
association with a misunderstanding of history by the reader, not an actual 
claim.
  Doctors used to use cocaine for all sorts of things too, "then", the FDA 
started classifying things around 1930 or so.
  Guess what? Cocaine isn't Grandfathered as a drug to treat depression or 
anything else, though it was used as a local anesthetic by dentists till the 
70s or 80s. Drilling pain isn't a disease. Coke can still be used for that, but 
it got stolen a lot and there are other ways.

  I would be very hard to make paint or breathing paint fumes illegal. But it 
is illegal to purposefully breathe paint fumes to get stoned or sell paint as a 
"drug". [Red paint cures the blues?]
  It would similarly be very difficult to make the "element" silver illegal. 
They'd have to seize every coin and or arrest people who got their coins wet. 
Try making and enforcing laws against swallowing a coin!
  The very definition of colloidal silver is so far 'out to lunch' broad, 
'they' can't even figure out what they're talking about.
  There aren't any laws that say a 'supplement' has to add or subtract anything 
valid. Dirt is a mineral supplement. Calcium supplement ads are phrased 'For 
strong bones'..no mention that bones were weak or that the supplement will do 
anything to make either weak OR strong bones stronger. If it's a mineral and 
you eat it, it's a mineral supplement..even if it only supplements the contents 
of your poop.

  MSP does work, but is said to be about 1/50th as effective due to the 
shielding effect of the protein binder/stabilizer presenting much less silver 
surface area.
  There have been a few instances of the "smurf syndrome" amongst people rich 
enough to abuse such high concentrations. [Most bottles have warnings on the 
label. Some say "MSP" in fine print, some don't.]
  If correct, That means that 500 PPM MSP has about the same effectiveness per 
volume as 10 PPM EIS.

  If I recall correctly, MSP comes in an inexpensive powder form and is 
dissolved in water to make what is bought in many stores. That makes it very 
cheap and fast to produce in large quantities...ideal for 'sale'.
  A "salesman" will say ANYTHING to make a sale and is very happy to let you 
believe he's saying something he's not. Salesese and legalese...same 
language...a verbal disease of distorted meanings and misunderstandings left 
standing.
  No, I didn't mislead you. You took what I said to mean something all on your 
own.

  EIS [Electrically Isolated Silver aka what "we" make] is a slow go when done 
right. Time is money.

  Ode

  At 09:40 PM 10/6/2005 -0400, you wrote: 
  


So what does that mean to you Ode? That's the CS I've been using. It seems 
to work. I have never tried making it myself. I do think that there is some 
kind of an old "grandfathering in" for CS that was done years ago, and that is 
why CS is not illegal. At least that is what I heard some time ago. 
Paula

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ode Coyote 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:14 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Question about CS

  
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr29/cpr_29.html
  Product Description


  Date: 
  6 Jun 2004
  Manufacturer: 
  Herbal Healer Academy
  Product Name: 
  Colloidal Silver
  Product Type: 
  Silver Protein [aka MSP, but no mention of that on the HHA website, IOW 
"mis-labeled"]
  Concentration: 
  500 ppm
  Container Size: 
  2 oz.
  Container Material: 
  Glass - Amber 
  Notes:

  Measured total silver is 132% of labeled value. [660 ppm]

  Laboratory analysis performed by the Colloidal Science Laboratory [Frank 
Key]

  1.796 micron peak [some portion may be ".002 micron size" Average 
somewhere around .05 microns?]
  "Our Colloidal Silver 500 ppm is a pharmaceutical grade" [there is such a 
thing as a Pharm grade of sonmething that Pharms don't carry, make or even 
approve of?]

  Ode





  At 07:06 AM 10/5/2005 -0400, you wrote: 
  


Herbal Healer Academy sells CS that is 500 ppm. I have some and have 
been using it. It is quite pricey.
  

CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

[Marshall Dudley]

GOVERNMENT AND COMPUTER MANUFACTURERS CAUGHT INSTALLING HARD-WIRED KEYSTROKE
LOGGERS INTO ALL NEW LAPTOP COMPUTERS!

Devices capture everything you ever type, then can send it via your ethernet
card to the Dept. of Homeland Security without your knowledge, consent or a
search warrant each time you log onto the internet!
Freedom Of Information Act Requests For Explanation From DHS, refused.

http://www.halturnershow.com/KeystrokeLoggersInAllNewComputers.html

I guess I won't be getting any new computers.

Marshall



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Re: CS>H2O2 measurements

[Marshall Dudley]

Ode Coyote wrote:

>  If both exceed their solubility limits and form molecular structures small
> enough to stay suspended, then both and either can be considered colloidal.

I think a suspension would be more apt.  Silver oxide and silver hydroxide will
form a suspension, but it will fall out and go to the bottom since it is lacking
in zeta potential.  I think the term colloid refers to a suspension that does 
not
settle out.

>
>  Next questions: Can such a molecular structure consist of both molecules
> in one crystal and can peroxide scavange one away and/or the other and
> break the crystal apart while producing metallic silver in the process?

I believe it can if I understand you.  I think you are asking if H2O2 and Ag2O
can react to form Ag2 and H2O and O2 if the silver oxide is in the form of a
precipitated crystal.  I believe that is one reason why H2O2 can clear a milky 
CS
so quickly.

>
>
>  What role could suspended oxides in such a crystal play in 'shades of
> black' darkened tints of a color produced by particle size? aka "tea" colors.

First you have to look at the solution and see if you are looking at a clear
liquid that is absorbing light at certain wavelengths, or something that is 
milky
and reflecting light of certain wavelengths.  The color of the first is caused 
by
a colloid of fairly large particles that are absorbing in the violet and blue
range.  The second by a suspension of silver oxide and silver hydroxide 
particles
that are brown colored.  However if you let it set, the second particle should
eventually settle out, only leaving the true colloid of silver particles.

>
>
>  It is possible that "particles" can be too small for a laser to 'see'. [?]
> Relativly high PPM, low conductivity and little TE is a possible
> combination further complicating the use of meters?

Atoms and ionis yes, but I believe that an aggregation of 2 or more silver atoms
will scatter light.  If you add H2O2, I believe that the particles will be 2 
aoms
each, yet you can still get some tyndall with it.

Marshall

>
>
> Ode
>
> At 04:50 PM 10/6/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >Dan Nave wrote:
> >
> >> This agrees with my experimental results where I had to use about 3
> >> drops of H2O2
> >> to clear 12 oz. of slightly yellowed CS.  Any less removed the yellow
> >> color but left the CS cloudy.
> >>
> >> However, I'd appreciate if you could clear up a few things for me...
> >>
> >> What is the final proportion of ionic to colloidal content?  50/50?
> >
> >I really don't know.  It depends on the rates of conversion from colloid to
> >silver oxide, and silver oxide to colloid.  If the rates are the same, then
> >one might expect 50/50. However since silver oxide spontaneously converts
> >back and forth with silver hydroxide when in solution, and I do not believe
> >silver hydroxide takes part in the reaction with H2O2, if the conversion
> >between H2O2 and silver oxide and back again are the same, it could be
> >66.6/33.3
> >
> >If the rates are different each direction, then it is anyone's guess.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Are you calling silver hydroxide the colloidal part and
> >> silver oxide the ionic part?
> >
> >No, both silver oxide Ag2O and silver hydroxide AgOH are ionic.  If you
> >have one you have the other when in water, they continually convert from
> >one to the other, and I believe approach a 50/50 ratio at the solubility
> >limit. I believe at lower concentrations the AgOH tends to dominate though.
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Re: CS>CS as Hair color?

[sol]

I'm weird, I'd truthfully love to have more white hair, as my "grey" 
hairs are white, but they are so evenly scattered that my former dark 
brown hair just looks terribly faded.


Once called around to see if any hairdressers could add more white to my 
hair in a streaking kind of thing, but was unanimously told my dark 
brown would just go orange or yellow. Not the effect looked for, so, 
I'll just stay faded.

sol

Ode Coyote wrote:


Try the rinse
It won't hurt em!

Funny, using silver to darken silver hair. :-)

Ode
 




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CS>Airbrush as nebulizer

[ransley]

I'm not telling anyone to do this. I'm just relating what I am doing.
Remember, nothing in the way of equipment listed here is in any way approved
for medical use.

Compressor- a commonly available small OIL-LESS air compressor; these things
are NOISY. Cost around $150. I bought the smallest & lightest I could find
at the time, since then I've seen a smaller one at Lowe's.

Regulator- a commonly available subcompact air pressure line regulator.
These regulators have trouble being reliably adjustable at below 20psi.
These usually come on the compressor these days.

Hose- standard black vinyl, red rubber, pvc or urethane air hose. Cheapest
is all I need for this. I'm using the one that came with the compressor.

Airbrush- Harbor Freight airbrush kit model 1500. Cost me $25 with shipping.
HF is terminally slow with the cheapest shipping option. It took two weeks
to get here and their distribution center is 100 miles away.

Standard brass 1/4" quick disconnect fittings between the regulator and main
hose, and between the main hose and the small airbrush hose in the kit.

The kit comes with two glass bottles, I use the smaller one. The metal "cup"
is useless for this purpose. Save the larger bottle in case the small one
gets broken.

At 15 psi, this airbrush puts a out a fine mist that appears to be every bit
as fine as the mist form the nebulizer I've used for years. The main
difference is that it is pressurized. A nebulizer chamber atomizes the
liquid but disperses the pressure, so there is no pressure into the mouth.
Disadvantage- makes me want to resist breathing it;
Advantage- would be good if breathing were difficult.
20 psi is too much. This is not for a child to use unless an adult is
controlling the trigger. There is an adjustment at the nose of the airbrush,
keep it tight for finest mist.

At 15psi, I have the option of closing my mouth around it or holding it out
of my mouth and breathing the mist.

The really big advantage is that this arrangement will conserve both the CS
mixture and the air used. The compressor won't run nearly as much as with a
nebulizer chamber since I am shutting the air off after every breath. This
would be particularly advantageous if hooked it to a bottle of oxygen (with
an oxy regulator!!!). If I have to stop, I don't have to get up and cut the
air off, but of course that could be fixed on a nebulizer with a valve
in-line close to me.

Speaking of oxygen, you can buy small tanks with some metal cutting torch
outfits. I came upon mine, brand new, because someone traded in one of those
tanks for a larger one at my local welding shop. I bought the tank for $50.

The trigger is a button on top that has a double action. You must depress it
and pull it back to get full fog. If you don't pull it back you're only
getting air.

This was worth doing to me, but then I love playing with this kinda stuff.
Guy Thing.

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Re: CS>H2O2 measurements

[Ode Coyote]

 If both exceed their solubility limits and form molecular structures small
enough to stay suspended, then both and either can be considered colloidal.
 Next questions: Can such a molecular structure consist of both molecules
in one crystal and can peroxide scavange one away and/or the other and
break the crystal apart while producing metallic silver in the process?

 What role could suspended oxides in such a crystal play in 'shades of
black' darkened tints of a color produced by particle size? aka "tea" colors.

 It is possible that "particles" can be too small for a laser to 'see'. [?]
Relativly high PPM, low conductivity and little TE is a possible
combination further complicating the use of meters?

Ode

At 04:50 PM 10/6/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Dan Nave wrote:
>
>> This agrees with my experimental results where I had to use about 3
>> drops of H2O2
>> to clear 12 oz. of slightly yellowed CS.  Any less removed the yellow
>> color but left the CS cloudy.
>>
>> However, I'd appreciate if you could clear up a few things for me...
>>
>> What is the final proportion of ionic to colloidal content?  50/50?
>
>I really don't know.  It depends on the rates of conversion from colloid to
>silver oxide, and silver oxide to colloid.  If the rates are the same, then
>one might expect 50/50. However since silver oxide spontaneously converts
>back and forth with silver hydroxide when in solution, and I do not believe
>silver hydroxide takes part in the reaction with H2O2, if the conversion
>between H2O2 and silver oxide and back again are the same, it could be
>66.6/33.3
>
>If the rates are different each direction, then it is anyone's guess.
>
>>
>>
>> Are you calling silver hydroxide the colloidal part and
>> silver oxide the ionic part?
>
>No, both silver oxide Ag2O and silver hydroxide AgOH are ionic.  If you
>have one you have the other when in water, they continually convert from
>one to the other, and I believe approach a 50/50 ratio at the solubility
>limit. I believe at lower concentrations the AgOH tends to dominate though.
>
>Marshall
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CS>[Fwd: Cathcart Himself Doesn't Agree With All Info on that PDF File I Just Sent Out, See Info Below

[Marshall Dudley]

IAHF List:

In my last alert
(http://www.ymlp.com/pubarchive_show_message.php?jham+418  I alerted you
to the website of Robert Cathcart, MD http://www.orthomed.com/bird.htm 
where I asked you to download a PDF file Titled "Preparing for the
Coming Influenza Pandemic" by Grattan Woodson, MD

I hadn't read that whole PDF file before sending it out, but realize now
from reading the whole thing that Cathcart himself wouldn't agree with
large sections of this other MDs advice, (Woodson advises people to use
Tamiflu and to get flu vaccines which I know Cathcart himself would
never do, so its obvious that he provides the article none the less as
food for thought in an effort to convey the seriousness of what we're
seeing unfold as it has SOME information that IS useful.

So I'd like to just add that clarification, and for protection purposes
refer you instead to Cathcart's own information about using Vitamin C
for treatment:

http://www.orthomed.com/mystery.htm#treatment

I'd also like to direct you to this article by Jon Barron: "Asian Bird
Flu- Initial Report"
http://www.jonbarron.org/newsletters/news050801.htm

Also see this solid information from Jonathan Campbell who is on the
IAHF List:
http://www.cqs.com/influenza.htm

Its clear that there is no single way of addressing this situation, but
that many of us could benefit from paying attention to this situation as
it has the potential to cause serious disruption in our society. In a
worst case scenario, if the outbreak were on a par with the pandemic of
1918, it could cause massive disruption even leading to the declaration
of martial law due to the sheer numbers of people it could impact. If
you get NOTHING ELSE from my alerts on this, please realize that this
situation has the potential to be far worse than a typical winters flu
outbreak.

The Avian flu pandemic of 1918 killed an estimated 8,000,000. people,
but if a similar outbreak occurred today, with the much denser
population we have and with air travel it could spread much faster so it
pays to be prepared for any eventuality. That is why Cathcart included
the article by Woodson who goes so far as to advise us to get our Wills
in order just in case.
For Health Freedom,
John C. Hammell, President
International Advocates for Health Freedom
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http://www.iahf.com
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Re: CS>unsubscribe\

[Marshall Dudley]

I think we have a bunch of people who have joined the list that forgot
how to read first!

Marshall

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Re: CS>Question about CS

[Marshall Dudley]

Well, that is what they say, but not what they do.  It is legal as a
mineral supplement, because mineral supplements cannot be outlawed at
the moment.  It was suppose to be grandfathered in as a drug, and was
until a year or so ago, but the FDA is completely ignoring that now and
going after anyone who sells it and claims it can do any of the things
it did back when grandfathered in.

Marshall

Paula Perry wrote:

> So what does that mean to you Ode? That's the CS I've been using. It
> seems to work. I have never tried making it myself. I do think that
> there is some kind of an old "grandfathering in" for CS that was done
> years ago, and that is why CS is not illegal. At least that is what I
> heard some time ago.Paula
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Ode Coyote
>  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>  Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:14 AM
>  Subject: Re: CS>Question about CS
>   http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr29/cpr_29.html
>  Product Description
>
>
>  Date:
>  6 Jun 2004
>  Manufacturer:
>  Herbal Healer Academy
>  Product Name:
>  Colloidal Silver
>  Product Type:
>  Silver Protein [aka MSP, but no mention of that on the HHA
>  website, IOW "mis-labeled"]
>  Concentration:
>  500 ppm
>  Container Size:
>  2 oz.
>  Container Material:
>  Glass - Amber
>  Notes:
>
>  Measured total silver is 132% of labeled value. [660 ppm]
>
>  Laboratory analysis performed by the Colloidal Science
>  Laboratory [Frank Key]
>
>  1.796 micron peak [some portion may be ".002 micron size"
>  Average somewhere around .05 microns?]
>  "Our Colloidal Silver 500 ppm is a pharmaceutical grade"
>  [there is such a thing as a Pharm grade of sonmething that
>  Pharms don't carry, make or even approve of?]
>
>  Ode
>
>
>
>
>
>  At 07:06 AM 10/5/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>  
>
>
>   Herbal Healer
>   Academy sells CS that is 500 ppm. I have some and
>   have been using it. It is quite pricey.
>   Paula
>   
>
>- Original Message -
>From:
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>
>To:
>silver-list@eskimo.com
>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
>
>Subject: CS>Question about CS
>
>To
>All:
>
>Just joined and I have a question about
>CS. I found a website that states they
>sell 100ppm CS. I thought, CS only went
>up to 18 or 20 ppm. Is this website a
>hoax about the level of ppm in their AC
>CS?
>
>Thanks for all information.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>ebbiearial>
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Re: CS>Question about CS

[Ode Coyote]

 CS in any form was never part of any official pharmacopeia as they were not 'official' till after CS fell out of use, therefore, it cannot be "grandfathered" as a drug.
Sellers of Mild Silver Protein are under the same sales claim constraints that everyone else is.
When MSP sellers make what 'appear' to be claims, it's a matter of association with a misunderstanding of history by the reader, not an actual claim.
Doctors used to use cocaine for all sorts of things too, "then", the FDA started classifying things around 1930 or so.
Guess what?  Cocaine isn't Grandfathered as a drug to treat depression or anything else, though it was used as a local anesthetic by dentists till the 70s or 80s.  Drilling pain isn't a disease. Coke can still be used for that, but it got stolen a lot and there are other ways.

I would be very hard to make paint or breathing paint fumes illegal. But it is illegal to purposefully breathe paint fumes to get stoned or sell paint as a "drug". [Red paint cures the blues?]
It would similarly be very difficult to make the "element" silver illegal. They'd have to seize every coin and or arrest people who got their coins wet.  Try making and enforcing laws against swallowing a coin!
The very definition of colloidal silver is so far 'out to lunch' broad, 'they' can't even figure out what they're talking about.
There aren't any laws that say a 'supplement' has to add or subtract anything valid. Dirt is a mineral supplement. Calcium supplement ads are phrased 'For strong bones'..no mention that bones were weak or that the supplement will do anything to make either weak OR strong bones stronger. If it's a mineral and you eat it, it's a mineral supplement..even if it only supplements the contents of your poop.

MSP does work, but is said to be about 1/50th as effective due to the shielding effect of the protein binder/stabilizer presenting much less silver surface area.
There have been a few instances of the "smurf syndrome" amongst people rich enough to abuse such high concentrations. [Most bottles have warnings on the label. Some say "MSP" in fine print, some don't.]
If correct, That means that 500 PPM MSP has about the same effectiveness per volume as 10 PPM EIS.

If I recall correctly, MSP comes in an inexpensive powder form and is dissolved in water to make what is bought in many stores.  That makes it very cheap and fast to produce in large quantities...ideal for 'sale'.
A "salesman" will say ANYTHING to make a sale and is very happy to let you believe he's saying something he's not. Salesese and legalese...same language...a verbal disease of distorted meanings and misunderstandings left standing.
No, I didn't mislead you. You took what I said to mean something all on your own.

EIS [Electrically Isolated Silver aka what "we" make] is a slow go when done right.  Time is money.

Ode

At 09:40 PM 10/6/2005 -0400, you wrote: 

So what does that mean to you Ode? That's the CS I've been using. It seems to work. I have never tried making it myself. I do think that there is some kind of an old "grandfathering in" for CS that was done years ago, and that is why CS is not illegal. At least that is what I heard some time ago. 
Paula
- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Question about CS


http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr29/cpr_29.html
Product Description


Date: 
6 Jun 2004
Manufacturer: 
Herbal Healer Academy
Product Name: 
Colloidal Silver
Product Type: 
Silver Protein [aka MSP, but no mention of that on the HHA website, IOW "mis-labeled"]
Concentration: 
500 ppm
Container Size: 
2 oz.
Container Material: 
Glass - Amber 
Notes:

Measured total silver is 132% of labeled value. [660 ppm]

Laboratory analysis performed by the Colloidal Science Laboratory [Frank Key]

1.796 micron peak [some portion may be ".002 micron size" Average somewhere around .05 microns?]
"Our Colloidal Silver 500 ppm is a pharmaceutical grade" [there is such a thing as a Pharm grade of sonmething that Pharms don't carry, make or even approve of?]

Ode





At 07:06 AM 10/5/2005 -0400, you wrote: 

Herbal Healer Academy sells CS that is 500 ppm. I have some and have been using it. It is quite pricey.
Paula
- Original Message - 
From: debca...@aol.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:48 AM
Subject: CS>Question about CS

To All: 

Just joined and I have a question about CS. I found a website that states they sell 100ppm CS. I thought, CS only went up to 18 or 20 ppm. Is this website a hoax about the level of ppm in their AC CS? 

Thanks for all information. 

Sincerely, 
Debbie 


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Re: CS>Re:RE: CS>colloidal silver and mold--making colloidal copper

[Ode Coyote]

  Thanks!
 Right now I have a pretty large stock of #12, but that'll for sure be on
my list.

Ode

At 04:56 PM 10/6/2005, you wrote:
>
>Ode
>I get my wire from Hauser & Miller. I just talked to them and they have #
10 round silver wire in stock.800-462-7447
>Bill
>--
>
>  Don't argue with the manufacturer. ;-)
>#10 wire plugs directly into a 'puppy' with no adapters. [With a few
exceptions if the wire was not made to spec and is a little thicker than it
should be]
>#12 or 12 gauge . silver wire is what the OEM electrodes are made of
and require an installed adapter to fit perfectly.
> If I could 'get' 10 gauge silver wire, I would..it would save me a lot of
effort making adapters and make for a better product.., but I've never
found anyone that makes it.
>
>Ode
>
>At 10:27 AM 10/5/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>Content-Disposition: inline
>>
>>I think it is either 12 or 16 gage wire that will plug into a
>>silverpuppy. 
>>Definitely not 10 gage...  (Gage is inversely proportional to wire
>>diameter)
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>
> Ode Coyote  10/5/2005 6:05:31 AM >>>
>>  Meters are completely useless with CC and any conductivity based
>>'auto
>>off' controls will not trigger.
>> The only way I know of to tell that you 'made' CC is with a laser
>>pointer
>>and that won't say anything at all about PPM.
>>
>> The output voltage is probably high enough on an SG6 to do the job.
>> It will take a little artistic wire bending to mount copper wire in
>>an
>>SG6. [Open loop, then 90 degree bend...not hard with a pair of needle
>>nose
>>pliers and #14-16 wire]
>> Strips of copper flashing should work too.
>>
>>#10 house wire will plug right into a Silverpuppy. [The older 'Pups'
>>won't
>>make CC with an unloaded output of 25-28 volts DC.  The newer ones at
>>32
>>volts will.]
>>
>>3 'nines' won't...4 'nines' will.
>>If no stirring is used, black tendrils will form in the water.
>>
>> Industry standards for copper house wire is pretty darned pure.
>> The more wire you use, the faster it'll go.
>> Shelf life for CC is about 1 or 2 weeks before it oxidizes and settles
>>out
>>as a grey green precipitate.
>> 
>>
>>Colloidal Copper "can" be toxic, rare but possible even via skin
>>absorption so use some small amount of caution and study up on the
>>signs.
>> I don't think there's any 'permanant' damage, but
>>neurological/psychological symptoms can be pretty severe.
>>
>>Ode
>>
>>At 09:55 PM 10/4/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>>>Can we really do this?  I have a SilverGen and I have heard alot of
>>good
>>>things about colloidal copper.  Would it be safe to drink, making it
>>the
>>>same way we make CS?  Could I use the ppm meter the same way?  And
>>what ppm
>>>would be recommended?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>Theresa
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: William Missett [mailto:miss...@prodigy.net.mx] 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:08 PM
>>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>>Subject: Re: CS>colloidal silver and mold
>>>
>>>
>>>No, I don't, but I'd bet you could substitute copper wire for silver
>>wire
>>>and produce colloidal copper instead of colloidal silver with a
>>standard CS
>>>unit.
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Re: CS>CS as Hair color?

[Ode Coyote]

 Try the rinse
 It won't hurt em!

Funny, using silver to darken silver hair. :-)

Ode

At 08:19 AM 10/6/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Hello Ode,
>
>I wonder if CS would color my grey hairs?
>
>Lea Ann
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Ode Coyote" 
>
>> When ionic silver drys, it oxidizes into brown to black silver oxide which
>> can stain things and be very hard to remove. 
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Re: CS>OT: got birds??

[Jeanne]

Oh Marsha they are beautiful, if I can find a place to put another cage in 
the house I want some.  My two spoiled brats are sitting on my shoulders 
now, pulling at my hair and getting into the things on my desk, they want 
their morning lettuce, and for me to turn the shower on for them so they can 
take their bath.
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From: "Marshalee Hallett" 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT: got birds??



Hi, Jeanne,
Type in "Lady Gouldian finches" on your searcher, and you`ll find sites 
with pictures of these incredible living jewels! They are nice birds, not 
noisy and not too messy.
Now Java Rice Finches...they are nasty!!! I had one chomp the legs of two 
others and hurt them badly. They bite me when I have to catch them. Good 
thing they are small, imagine an eagle with a temper like that!!

Marshalee


Tell me about gouldians maybe i want them too hehehe




Hi, Jeanne,
 I have had cockatiels several times through the years, they are neat, 
but noisy, birds.
The last one I got several years ago at a bird fair was a handfed baby. 
A week later I realized she was sick. She had green doodoos. So I put a 
drop of CS down her little beak, and took her to the vet that afternoon. 
Well, the vet did a fecal exam and came back saying, "It looks like 
Giardia, but they aren`t moving!"

2 days later with nothing but CS for treatment, she was just fine.
CS is great!!!
 Good luck with your babies!! I have a pair of Lady Gouldians setting 
right now, I hope the babies make it OK, especially as they are 
incredibly beautiful and thus very valuable!

Marshalee


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