Re: CSSilver Hepatitis C
Mike, what I find objectionable is that they have taken the practice of putting an antibiotic into newborns eyes as a matter of standard procedure. There are not that many women today who have syphilis and/or gonorrhea which is not discovered through prenatal care, blood tests, etc, available to women of all walks of life, regardless of economic means. The practice may have once been applicable when women were more inclined to have home births, midwives, or lived in rural areas with no medical services. I see it as a rather archaic, hold over practice in today's society. M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Debbie writes: Mike what about the cs they use in newborns eyes as soon as they are born, and the use in the burn unit's today too or is that something different? They used to use silver nitrate in the eyes of newborns. It stung and sometimes caused temporary staining, if I remember right, but did protect against blindness caused by syphilis and gonorrhea. Nowadays most places are using antibiotic ointments or drops. Regards, Carol Ann ___ God is what you can find in anything you look at if you look long enough. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: CSSilver Hepatitis C
At 12:10 PM 5/14/2006 -0700, you wrote: To Whom It May Concern: I need to know what information is available regarding whether or not colloidal silver kills the Hep C virus and how quickly. I need information that is empirical and scientifically supported by experts in the research field. I also need testimonials from people who have been cured of HCV as a result of taking CS. A testimonial: I would like to thank you for providing such an inexpensive machine that obviously creates high quality colloidal silver. I say high quality because I assume it must be high quality because it absolutely cured me of Hep C (I believe). I took 8 ounces twice a day for 6 mos. because that's what I gathered from internet research as an aggressive regimen. There were 3 or 4 bouts of the herzheimer's effect (spelling probably wrong). But that was a tiny inconvenience compared to the discomfort of the chemotherapy side effects of traditional treatments I experienced. I know how careful you have to be about saying colloidal silver cures anything because of the corporate fascist protectors and enforcment arms of the pharmaceutical industry which are supposed to protect the public interest but have been well bribed by the pharmaceutical lobbies into protecting drug company profits (FDA, FTC). Their interest is not in curing disease, but of managing it for the rest of your life so they can bilk you out of as much money as possible (no cures for disease since polio..think about it. The pharmaceutical industries got together after that and conspired to cure no more diseases because of it's limited profit potential. Much more profitable to treat, not cure). So I'll put it like this. I had hep C for 15 years with many millions of copies per ml of blood. After 6 mos. of previously mentioned dosage I didn't have any copies of the virus detectable in my blood any more. Draw your own conclusions. Sincerely R.F On the other hand: A friend with HEP C has been using 1 pint a day for a while now and her viral count went UP. I've heard of this in other cases as well. It might be a temporary phase and I'll see when she goes in for a new count. On that note, her HIV went to undetectable, she's feeling good and heals fast these days. No other meds are being used. Ode -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6 - Release Date: 5/14/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Hepatitis C
Thanks, Mike! It's good to know another Patriot! M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Dear Scott: You write: I need to know what information is available regarding whether or not colloidal silver kills the Hep C virus and how quickly. I need information that is empirical and scientifically supported by experts in the research field. I also need testimonials from people who have been cured of HCV as a result of taking CS. There's a smattering of scientific research into the use of CS for HCV and other pathogens, but most of what little exists is in the form of private research and experimentation, commercially funded in vitro studies, and scattered reports of clinical results, all small scale. As you probably know, the authorities in the US actively condemn CS and other alternatives, thereby preventing serious research being done. Testimonial and anecdotal evidence is abundant once you delve to the level of communities like this one where people are directly involved in studying and using CS. I expect members here with HCV experience will chime in shortly. The main reason I need this information is that I am an addictions specialist in a methadone clinic and I counsel clients who are being treated for opiate addiction. Congratulations on your recovery. ... when it came down to actually using [CS], they were still skeptical and not even one person has tried it. ... I know this stuff works but I need very strong evidence for the skeptics that are needlessly dying, putting the pharmaceuticals in their bodies and having to suffer the consequences of such. I have had the same experience. I've decided I will no longer attempt to *convince* anybody of anything regarding alternative health. I will tell them that I've learned of alternatives that work, from people I trust and respect, and that they should begin doing research on the net. I warn them that they'll find dozens of worthless sites, for every nugget of good information. If they decide they want help they should ask me. If they don't ask, I know they're not interested. I will no longer accept responsibility for the failure of their imaginations. I don't want to counsel you to give up. I hope you will continue to try. You may be more effective than I have been. Just don't blame yourself if they don't listen. Thank you for your time and the all the hard work you folks do! Thank you for the inspiration of your eagerness to help. If there is anything I or the group can do for you, please ask. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour In His Service, Scott - Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Re: CSSilver Hepatitis C
Mike, what I find objectionable is that they have taken the practice of putting an antibiotic into newborns eyes as a matter of standard procedure. There are not that many women today who have syphilis and/or gonorrhea which is not discovered through prenatal care, blood tests, etc, available to women of all walks of life, regardless of economic means. The practice may have once been applicable when women were more inclined to have home births, midwives, or lived in rural areas with no medical services. I see it as a rather archaic, hold over practice in today's society. Agreed on all counts, Carol Ann, except maybe the suggestion that there would have been a correlation between neonate infection and home birth, midwives or rural location. Granted they'd be less likely to have access to pathology tests, which is your point, I think, but the practice takes place in hospitals or other doctor attended births. Mostly, I'd think it was the moral attitudes and the sexual practices of the woman and/or father that would determine the risk. Policy rigidity does not permit the parents to say, Hey, we don't have VD, dude, so lay off! Nowadays home birth (at least for most people in the US) is a novelty likely to involve the most motivated individuals, who would be least likely to endanger their offspring. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Hepatitis C
It couldn't be said better. RES - Original Message - From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 11:41 PM Subject: Re: CSSilver Hepatitis C There are several things that make it difficult for uninformed people to have confidence in Colloidal Silver. First of all, Colloidal Silver is a catch-all term like Kleenex or Cancer. There are many different types of silver preparations which have been used over the years and some of these have some side effects, generally caused by excessively high silver content (eg: silver proteins etc) or by toxic substances that are combined with the silver (eg: silver nitrate, silver chloride). One of the main side effects cited is argyria which is a purely cosmetic condition of the skin. This might be preferable to dying. Even this side effect is exceedingly rare with the low ppm silver that people refer to on this list. However, people with agendas that are more important to them than you getting well find it convenient to continue to discuss all silver preparations as one group, so that any problem that may be inherent to one is implied to be inherent to all, so that all silver products may be discredited by the shortcomings of any one product. Most Colloidal Silver preparations are not able to be patented since they have been used for years and the most effective ones are easy to make, even at home. Therefore, it is not in any drug company's interest to make the financial investment necessary to prove colloidal silver effective as a drug. The government is probably not interested either as it is obvious that wide use of colloidal silver would devastate the earnings of drug companies which are major businesses and a large part of our economy. There are actually some who actively work to discredit all colloidal silver products in order to prevent this from happening (eg: Stephen Barrett, ex-MD). If read closely, the objection of the FDA to colloidal silver is against the CLAIMS that colloidal silver cures or treats any disease since it has not passed through the process necessary to accredit colloidal silver as a drug according to the FDA RULES. They do not actually deny that it is effective, just that it has not passed through the required process that would qualify it as a drug since their definitions state that if a substance cures something it has to be a drug, and if it is a drug it then has to go through the process that they have set up in order to be sold. I think that they know very well that it is effective but are prevented by law from acknowledging this, and I sometimes wonder if their position about CLAIMS is a contrivance that allows colloidal silver to be sold and used without coming under the regulations that it would if it were classified as a drug. Another thing is that colloidal silver may be difficult to get to the area it needs to get to in the body to be effective, making it a bit more difficult to use for some conditions than some other medications. Dosages and timings for the use of low ppm colloidal silver have not been fixed. I personally would not use most silver preparations other than Electrically Isolated Silver (EIS) made electrolytically with pure silver in distilled water without additives, with concentrations between 5 and 30 ppm. My experience has shown that additives such as H202, DMSO, and electrolytes may be added for specific purposes, usually just before use. Scientific studies and reports may exist, some coming even from the period before the FDA, but it is my impression that it is difficult to access these over the internet unless one has a subscription to the scientific database which holds them. It also appears to be career-limiting for scientists to come out in favor of colloidal silver regardless of their research results. Because of the laws which prohibit practicing medicine without a license and liabilities that may be incurred, it is difficult for a person who knows the value of colloidal silver to give adamant statements about the effectiveness of colloidal silver. This ambivalent recommendation does not inspire confidence in someone who is uninformed; they want their Doctor to have absolute confidence and promise them that they will be cured by following their God-like recommendations. It is necessary for someone who would use colloidal silver in the face of all this to have a good ability to discriminate, have a certain self-confidence and the ability for self-actualization. These qualities are not likely to be found in a group of (ex) drug addicts who need counseling. Most people, whether due to incapacity, conditioning, or fear, would rather die than go against conventional wisdom. Sorry for my harsh evaluation. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To
RE: CSSilver Hepatitis C
Dear Carol Ann, Good observation; however, I suggest that if only ONE is protected, it's a simple precaution; and really, who knows who might have become unknowingly infected? Since this practice is simple, effective and inexpensive, I'm for it. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 http://www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Carol Ann [mailto:saffiresk...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:28 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver Hepatitis C Mike, what I find objectionable is that they have taken the practice of putting an antibiotic into newborns eyes as a matter of standard procedure. There are not that many women today who have syphilis and/or gonorrhea which is not discovered through prenatal care, blood tests, etc, available to women of all walks of life, regardless of economic means. The practice may have once been applicable when women were more inclined to have home births, midwives, or lived in rural areas with no medical services. I see it as a rather archaic, hold over practice in today's society. M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Debbie writes: Mike what about the cs they use in newborns eyes as soon as they are born, and the use in the burn unit's today too or is that something different? They used to use silver nitrate in the eyes of newborns. It stung and sometimes caused temporary staining, if I remember right, but did protect against blindness caused by syphilis and gonorrhea. Nowadays most places are using antibiotic ointments or drops. Regards, Carol Ann ___ God is what you can find in anything you look at if you look long enough. -- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
CSCS and emergency drinking water
Thinking about puting some Emergency Water away on shelf (distiled water from my distiller). Water would be in 2 to 3 gallon containers. How long would it last with a little CS in water. Also thought about cleaning some pennies and melting a drop of pure silver on one side and then putting one in each jug. Would the silver coated penny affect the dringing water, in long or short term. Bob
Re: CSSilver Hepatitis C
Mostly, I'd think it was the moral attitudes and the sexual practices of the woman and/or father that would determine the risk. Policy rigidity does not permit the parents to say, Hey, we don't have VD, dude, so lay off! My pointson all accounts, especially, the above. Thanks. M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: midwives or rural location. Granted they'd be less likely to have access to pathology tests, which is your point, I think, but the practice takes place in hospitals or other doctor attended births. Mostly, I'd think it was the moral attitudes and the sexual practices of the woman and/or father that would determine the risk. Policy rigidity does not permit the parents to say, Hey, we don't have VD, dude, so lay off! Nowadays home birth (at least for most people in the US) is a novelty likely to involve the most motivated individuals, who would be least likely to endanger their offspring. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ___ God is what you can find in anything you look at if you look long enough. - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
RE: CSSilver Hepatitis C
Hi Richard, I guess what I am really attempting to convey is that once something deemed appropriate has become an established medical practice, regardless of the fact the times and technology have changed dramatically, procedures are maintained because there is a mentality that saysthis is the way it has always been done, even though it is not warranted. Such attitudes have paved the road with unnecessary medical tests encumbering both the health care system and the individual. Basically, it is across the board CYA (for that one that something might happen to) and not necessarily in the best interests of the patient. Carol Ann Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Dear Carol Ann, Good observation; however, I suggest that if only ONE is protected, it's a simple precaution; and really, who knows who might have become unknowingly infected? Since this practice is simple, effective and inexpensive, I'm for it. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 http://www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Carol Ann[mailto:saffiresk...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:28AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver Hepatitis C Mike, what I find objectionable is thatthey have taken the practice of putting an antibiotic into newborns eyes as amatter of standard procedure. There are not that many women today whohave syphilis and/or gonorrhea which is not discovered through prenatalcare, blood tests, etc, available to women of all walks of life, regardless ofeconomic means. The practice may have once been applicable when womenwere more inclined to have home births, midwives, or lived in rural areas withno medical services. I see it as a rather archaic, hold over practice intoday's society. M. G. Devourmdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Debbie writes: Mike what about the cs they use in newborns eyes as soon as they are born, and the use in the burn unit's today too or is that something different? They used to use silver nitrate in the eyes of newborns. It stung and sometimes caused temporary staining, if I remember right, but did protect against blindness caused by syphilis and gonorrhea. Nowadays most places are using antibiotic ointments or drops. Regards, CarolAnn ___ God is what you can find inanything you look at if you look longenough. - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger�s low PC-to-Phonecall rates. Regards, Carol Ann ___ God is what you can find in anything you look at if you look long enough. - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min.
CS1820 Sheep die grazing GE cotton land
1820 Sheep die grazing GE cotton land (GE is genetically engineered, not General Electric). http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0605/S00022.htm Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS and emergency drinking water
MessageI put aside an old water bottle once that still had a small amount of water left in it. Some time later I saw it and looking closly I notice green algae in it. The water was from a commerical water distiller where I used to get my glass bottles filled. The guy said it wasn't uncommon and said to just rinse with some biodegradable stuff he had. The glass bottle was one of those 5 gallon glass bottles of the old days with a plastic pump on top. . Ed -Original Message- From: Medwith, Robert [mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:56 AM To: 'cs' Subject: CSCS and emergency drinking water Thinking about puting some Emergency Water away on shelf (distiled water from my distiller). Water would be in 2 to 3 gallon containers. How long would it last with a little CS in water. Also thought about cleaning some pennies and melting a drop of pure silver on one side and then putting one in each jug. Would the silver coated penny affect the dringing water, in long or short term. Bob
CSi see circles
another one of those out of the blue... slight dark circles under eyes... obviously would have to keep improving diet etc to get rid of the cause but is there a quick natural fix to conceal them in the meantime...? thanks From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSCS and emergency drinking water Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:58:21 -0700 MessageI put aside an old water bottle once that still had a small amount of water left in it. Some time later I saw it and looking closly I notice green algae in it. The water was from a commerical water distiller where I used to get my glass bottles filled. The guy said it wasn't uncommon and said to just rinse with some biodegradable stuff he had. The glass bottle was one of those 5 gallon glass bottles of the old days with a plastic pump on top. . Ed -Original Message- From: Medwith, Robert [mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:56 AM To: 'cs' Subject: CSCS and emergency drinking water Thinking about puting some Emergency Water away on shelf (distiled water from my distiller). Water would be in 2 to 3 gallon containers. How long would it last with a little CS in water. Also thought about cleaning some pennies and melting a drop of pure silver on one side and then putting one in each jug. Would the silver coated penny affect the dringing water, in long or short term. Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSi see circles
Do you have allergies? This is prime time of the year for them and they do cause dark circles. Are you female? If so, mineral makeup concealer would workquick hehehe Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMorgellons
List, This information seems worth digging into. I stumbled on this via an e-mail newsletter called Red Ice, which is very uneven -- lots of unfalsifiable material from the fringe -- but this looks interesting and a bit frightening. http://www.morgellons.org/ I have only skimmed this. JBB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSi see circles
yes i do have issues with alergies in fact no I'm a guy but what I actually meant by concealing is not as much hide it but to remove it if possible From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSi see circles Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Do you have allergies? This is prime time of the year for them and they do cause dark circles. Are you female? If so, mineral makeup concealer would workquick hehehe Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
