Re: CSThe Godzilla
You'll get some iontophorosis going in that case. Direct injection of silver through the skin. Works good. No telling what ions you get with plain water. Ode Simplicity is best. On the other hand, dipping the cloth 'trodes in CS instead of plain water might make it work faster? -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 6/2/2006 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBromelain
Pat wrote: I don't remember hearing any of you recommending bromelain. It helps take antibiotics into the diseased cells, so I wonder if it would also help with colloidal silver. I started it a few weeks ago. I think it helps my knee recover faster from overuse and have less pain when resting. It has an anti-inflammatory effect, but still isn't as effective as Celebrex which I still take one of per day. http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:E51pco4PyeUJ:www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/bromelain1-4.html+bromelainhl=engl=usct=clnkcd=1 Pat Bromelain will definitely reduce swelling and bruising and speed healing of injuries of this sort. I have used it many times. I understand that for it to be effective, it should be taken with water on an empty stomach. If there is food in the stomach it will be used for digestion of the food and not be effective for inflammation, etc. Thanks for the link Pat. Bromelain is one of the few substances I have found that works as advertised. Dan http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:E51pco4PyeUJ:www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/bromelain1-4.html+bromelainhl=engl=usct=clnkcd=1 Surgical Procedures and Musculoskeletal Injuries Bromelain also has therapeutic effects in the treatment of inflammation and soft tissue injuries. An early clinical trial on bromelain was conducted on 74 boxers with bruises on the face and haematomas of the orbits, lips, ears, chest and arms. Bromelain was given four times a day for 4 days or until all signs of bruising had disappeared. A control group of 72 boxers were given a placebo. In 58 of the boxers taking bromelain, all signs of bruising cleared completely in four days, with the remaining 16 requiring 8-10 days for complete clearance. In the control group, only 10 had complete clearance within four days, with the remainder requiring seven to fourteen days for resolution.43 The edema-reducing property of bromelain was investigated in traumatically-induced hindleg edema in rats. After enteral application of bromelain a significant reduction of the edema could be observed, however, parenteral application only resulted in a minimal therapeutic effect. Although enterally-applied enzymes are thought to be degraded in the gut, the better results were obtained after oral administration of bromelain, supporting the observation that bromelain can be absorbed by the gut without losing its biological properties.11 Fifty-five pre-surgical patients were divided into two groups. Group one, consisting of 22 patients, took bromelain four times a day for 48-72 hours prior to surgery and continued for 72 hours after surgery. Group two, consisting of 33 patients, took bromelain starting on the day of surgery, with the first dose administered one hour prior to surgery. Fifty percent of group one and 42.4% of group two had complete disappearance of pain and inflammation within 72 hours. Pain and inflammation persisted past 72 hours in only one member of the group supplemented with bromelain for three days prior to surgery, as opposed to five members of the group that started supplementation one hour prior to surgery. In a separate study, supplementation of bromelain starting 48-72 hours prior to surgery reduced the average number of days for complete disappearance of pain from 3.5 to 1.5, and disappearance of inflammation from 6.9 to 2.0 days, as compared with controls receiving no bromelain.44 Sixteen patients undergoing oral surgery were given bromelain four times a day starting 72 hours prior to surgery. At 24 hours after surgery, 75% of these patients were evaluated as having mild or no inflammation, in contrast to only 19% of a group receiving a placebo. Twenty-four hours after surgery, pain was either absent or mild in 38% of bromelain-treated patients, as opposed to 13% receiving placebo. After 72 hours, this increased to 75% of those in the bromelain group, as compared to only 38% in the placebo group.45 In an observation study involving 59 patients with blunt injuries to the musculoskeletal system, the efficacy and tolerability of high-dose bromelain, in addition to the usual therapeutic measures, was investigated. Treatment with bromelain resulted in a clear reduction in all four parameters tested; swelling, pain at rest and during movement, and tenderness.46 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 6/2/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDeath by CS?
Hi All, I've been a lurker here for quite a bit of time. At one point or another you have answered all of my question somewhere along the lines with all of the posts and the wonderful information contained in them. Now I'm 99 99.% sure that I have seen that there has not been a single death that can be attributed to cs. Am I correct on his? I'm on another list with someone who says that they (in the past) have seen and posted that cs is listed as COD in a coroner's report that was on an FDA site. Someone else says they can't find a thing on it. Does anyone here know, or has anyone heard about it? Debbie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBromelain
Heel produces two Homeopathic products that in studies show have been as effective as prescription drugs. look up ZEEL and TRAUMEEL. http://heelinc.com/ Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 7:15 PM To: silver list Subject: CSBromelain I don't remember hearing any of you recommending bromelain. It helps take antibiotics into the diseased cells, so I wonder if it would also help with colloidal silver. I started it a few weeks ago. I think it helps my knee recover faster from overuse and have less pain when resting. It has an anti-inflammatory effect, but still isn't as effective as Celebrex which I still take one of per day. http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:E51pco4PyeUJ:www.thorne. com/altmedrev/fulltext/bromelain1-4.html+bromelainhl=engl= usct=clnkcd=1 Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSWhere to order supplements?
I could not get this link to work. Is it correct? www.beyond-a-century TIA, Jim -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 6:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWhere to order supplements? I will second that. It is a reliable, honest company. I have never had a problem with BYAC. JBB On Sunday, Jun 4, 2006, at 04:05 Asia/Tokyo, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I've been very happy with supps from www.beyond-a-century for more than a decade, and always recommend them. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSbromelian
Bromelian if used with meals will act as a digestive enzyme. Between meals, it acts as an anti-inflammatory. As far as surgery, I had understood it to be a concern to use before hand due to blood thinning qualities. After surgery , is a different matter.Maybe I am in err about this thou. I would really appreciate any answers on my questions regarding silver in previous posts. I know that some of the old timers must have opinions on silver IVs(protein) and the mild silver protein oral product.Thanks - Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get Yahoo! Messenger with Voice
RE: CSWhere to order supplements?
Jim said: I could not get this link to work. Is it correct? www.beyond-a-century I don't have any problem with it. Maybe you need to add .com to it. http://www.beyond-a-century.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhere to order supplements?
Some one forgot to add the .com to the end. Add that and it will work. Karen H. - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:08 PM Subject: RE: CSWhere to order supplements? I could not get this link to work. Is it correct? www.beyond-a-century TIA, Jim -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 6:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWhere to order supplements? I will second that. It is a reliable, honest company. I have never had a problem with BYAC. JBB On Sunday, Jun 4, 2006, at 04:05 Asia/Tokyo, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I've been very happy with supps from www.beyond-a-century for more than a decade, and always recommend them. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe Godzilla
Hi V, The output of a 555 timer running on 9 volts is about 5 volts switching from +5 to zero. This is adequate for zapper work. The difference between a 555 zapper and the godzilla is very great. The godzilla is a continous voltage while the 555 timer pulse is a square wave that is composed of a multitide of frequencies. The zapper (555 timer) is more like a rife machine than it is like the godzilla. I would be very careful about going to a higher voltage. I have never seen any work recommending high voltages. When a root cannal reinfected in 2002 it almost destroyed my heart. The output dropped to 20% that is class 4 or pine box level. Antibiotics has killed the bacteria except for that which took up residence in my left knee. Using Dr. Clark's protocol of 7min. on 20 min off repeated three times with the electrodes below each knee eliminates the knee pain. However it seems to return after 3 or 4 months. The next time it returns I will try the 6 vot DC process and see if it does anything. Ole Bob
Re: CSFish Tanks and White Spot ?
Margaret asks: Just tapping into your expertize : Can anyone advise on the use of Colloidal Silver to treat 'White Spot ' ,( on fish ) in a home fish tank ? It's good that you asked, Margaret. Please realize that when you add any kind of medicinal to the tank, (including antibiotics) you're treating not just the fish but the entire tank. That includes the biological filter, which is the mass of helpful bacteria that populate the gravel and the filter system and convert toxic fish wastes to more benign chemicals. If you dose the tank with an effective antimicrobial like CS, you'll kill all those bacteria. This will dump all the metabolic by-products and toxins from the guts of those bacteria into the water, as well as interrupt the process of breaking down harmful ammonia and nitrites from fish waste products and uneaten food. You'll have a rapid build-up of wastes and toxins that could shock and kill all the fish. If you intend to treat the whole tank, about the only thing I can think of to do is to be prepared with a large amount of properly conditioned water (temperature, pH, alkalinity, etc...) and do a series of major water changes while you are medicating the tank. You'd probably have to adjust the dose levels to account for the amount being lost, as well. Otherwise, you might transfer the ailing fish to a very simply equipped quarantine tank and treat them there. The important thing is to be sure the water is as close in chemistry and other conditions to the main tank to minimize the shock to the subject fish. Also, you'll still have to monitor waste build up and filter or change the water to limit it to safe levels. Any way you cut it, it's either a lot of work for you or a lot of stress for the fish. It's been some years since I had fish tanks going, and I'm *not* an expert with using CS or anything else on fish. I just know that there's more to consider than will CS kill ick? If you need more information, please keep asking. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Re: CSAir Purifiers
NO- the glass plate will break in a very wet basement setting. - Original Message - From: marmar...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Re: CSAir Purifiers In a message dated 6/2/2006 11:05:57 AM Central Standard Time, noblemet...@bellsouth.net writes: Great units-made here in E. Tn. about 50 miles NE. They do not operate well in a humid atmosphere. Hi TJ -- thanks for the input. Ummm -- most of the southeast is a *humid atmosphere* from April through September. Are you saying that they don't work well in this part of the country? MA
CSFish Tanks and White Spot ?
Hi List , Just tapping into your expertize : Can anyone advise on the use of Colloidal Silver to treat 'White Spot ' ,( on fish ) in a home fish tank ?Thank you for any advise regarding this problem . Regards Margaret -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFish Tanks and White Spot ?
In a message dated 6/4/2006 10:10:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, metap...@senet.com.au writes: Hi List , Just tapping into your expertize : Can anyone advise on the use of Colloidal Silver to treat 'White Spot ' ,( on fish ) in a home fish tank ?Thank you for any advise regarding this problem . Regards Margaret Margaret, That means your fish have Ick and should be treated ASAP. You can buy the medication at any pet store. Try to isolate those that have it as soon as possible. Pete
CSCS re Where to buy Supps.
Here is my favorite for a good number of years.A CO-OP, no cost to join,up to 50% + off,top quality,independent lab. testing.Both national and international sales links. Harold www.ourhealthcoop.com
Re: CSWhere to order supplements?
Well it is good to know that a co. is honest tick's me off when you get ripped off by co.'s, especially when they promise a total money back garuentee and you don't hear from them again once they have your moneydebbie -- Original message -- From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp I will second that. It is a reliable, honest company. I have never had a problem with BYAC. JBB On Sunday, Jun 4, 2006, at 04:05 Asia/Tokyo, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I've been very happy with supps from www.beyond-a-century for more than a decade, and always recommend them. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSDeath by CS?
Dear Debbie, It is possible to read almost anything on the Internetabout ANYTHING. However, regarding Electrically Isolated Silver..there is, to our knowledge, no officially recorded incident of a human being dying from ingesting this form of colloidal silver. There have beento our knowledgecases involving Silver Protein compounds which have been posted as a principal or controlling factor in human beings. We have not been able to substantiate the actual reliability of ANY of these claimsincluding those indirectly endorsed by the FDA. Additionally, posting a cause of death on a post-morteum document DOES NOT (in all cases) prove to be the fact. The posted conclusions are, in many cases, the best estimate of the coroner...not irrefutable fact. It is not my intent to declare that no one has died as a direct result of metallic silver particle ingestionfrom any cause. However, I do contend in favor of the position that there does not presently exist (in any of the sources examined by our staff) positive evidence of a single fatality from the ingestion of EIS-type colloidal silver (non-compounded)...at ANY concentration reported within the spectrum-of-uses reported (500 ppm is the highest we have any direct familiarity with). It is my singular opinion that such postings as the one which precipitated your inquiry.will only increase in frequency, as the mainstream patented-drug firms accelerate their efforts to impugn the splendid non-toxic effects of pure colloidal silver. There is, to our knowledge, no single, non-toxic, substance presently extant which even approaches the efficacy of even the most primitive, homemade colloidal silver -at least that has been our experimental research experience during the immediately-past eleven years. My apologies for this lengthy epistle..however, I claim your indulgence based upon temporary uncontrollable rage, based upon the, repeated, childishly ridiculous positions stated by personages fronting for the FDA-Pharmaceutical combine. Most people spreading these unfounded indictments, in all probability, have never prosecuted a controlled study of ANYTHING..much less one of medical import. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. CEO. Eric Harborne Research Foundation. Original Message - From: Darn itsme darn_it...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDeath by CS? Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:50:33 -0400 Hi All, I've been a lurker here for quite a bit of time. At one point or another you have answered all of my question somewhere along the lines with all of the posts and the wonderful information contained in them. Now I'm 99 99.% sure that I have seen that there has not been a single death that can be attributed to cs. Am I correct on his? I'm on another list with someone who says that they (in the past) have seen and posted that cs is listed as COD in a coroner's report that was on an FDA site. Someone else says they can't find a thing on it. Does anyone here know, or has anyone heard about it? Debbie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
Re: CSbromelian
You can find a good explanation of mild silver protein and why not to use it at http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html Scroll down to Mild Silver Protein. Since Mild Silver Protein products contain some kind of suspension agent, usually gelatin, I believe, and can actually be contaminated with bacteria, they are particularly unsuited for IV use. I believe the site below, natural-immunogenics makes an ionic silver product (that is only available to physicians) for IV use. I could be wrong, and don't have time to read their site to find out. Perhaps someone else on this list will know about that. You will also notice the silver-colloids site is not very enthusiastic about ionic silver, so to get the other side of that argument, see http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/documentation.php As to bromelain, this article is one I found and it says the blood thinning effects are modest and just says it should not be used along with other blood thinning agents. http://supplementwatch.com/suplib/supplement.asp?DocId=1056 sol zeb caffe wrote: Bromelian if used with meals will act as a digestive enzyme. Between meals, it acts as an anti-inflammatory. As far as surgery, I had understood it to be a concern to use before hand due to blood thinning qualities. After surgery , is a different matter.Maybe I am in err about this thou. I would really appreciate any answers on my questions regarding silver in previous posts. I know that some of the old timers must have opinions on silver IVs(protein) and the mild silver protein oral product.Thanks -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhere to order supplements?
There is a guy who calls himself Health Ranger. He's got a site: www.truthpublishing.com On that site he lists several downloadable brochures, some free, others not. All are health related. This booklet is relevant to the subject at hand. I copy/paste from the web page: Secret Sources For Healing Foods and Natural Medicines That Can Save Your Life Nutrition author Mike Adams reveals his top sources for food ingredients, herbs, natural medicines and health-enhancing products that he personally uses to achieve peak physical and mental health. In this 66-page report, Adams reveals the full details, complete with website URLs, phone numbers and recommended shopping lists. Although free, this particular booklet was a bit fiddly to download. I had to sign up for something. Sergey -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSiv silver
Thanks very much sol. I will read the web sites that you posted. I had heard about the protein and contamination before but continue to be amazed that practioners are still using it so often with people and I thought because of this, there was something I was missing in terms of its safety which is why I posted the question. I am concerned for two friends who have doctors that use it. What you posted was very helpful. Regarding natural immunogenics, I was told by a women who runs a health food store and attends many workshops, that immunogentics is very reliable . - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.
