RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

2006-12-14 Thread Peter M. Stellas
Vigilus,

I do appreciate your information to my questions, and I don't doubt that
herbal treatment has good results. After all, alternative therapy is
concerned with natural substances instead of man-made ones. I have
difficulty seeing how acupuncture would affect floaters which, to my
understanding, are detached pieces of some inner part of the eye. While the
electrochemical activity of herbal substances may cause these loose flaps to
dissolve, I cannot see how acupuncture would result in the same thing, but
that is obviously my problem, since I do not care to get involved in the
whole philosophy of ying versus yang. But thanks again for your information.

Peter
 

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dont know all the particulars, but they use herbs for treatment.  herbs and 
acupuncture.
can also treat hypertension.



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Subject: RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes


> So how does TCM eliminate floaters from the eyes, without acupuncture?
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RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

2006-12-14 Thread Peter M. Stellas
Ross,

I certainly can thank you for "a response", even though the beer under your
belt seems to have rendered it worthless, in terms of constructive
suggestion. Getting old does not mean giving up, nor does lack of interest
in Chinese medicine, (inter-related with Chinese philosophy) mean lack of
interest in learning new things. There are some on various websites who
advocate recycling their own urine as a therapeutic means, and I hope they
enjoy it and benefit from it. But I don't have to espouse that to be a "well
balanced" individual.

Lack of exercise is largely due to a full time job, a house remodel effort,
and an attempt to start a new business. Lack of interest in someone's pet
philosophical bent is not a lack of interest for life or knowledge, just a
lack of conforming to the latest craze that happens to be sweeping America.
There may be a lot of good to it, and a lot of "old world" superstition as
well. If a simple and tried method is available, which some have suggested
here, then it is sufficient for the need at hand without my having to adopt
a whole knew philosophy, and this is true at any and every age. I hope that
you don't limit your intellectual input only to occasions when you have had
a few beers under your belt. I would also like to hear the "unaffected you "
speaking.

Peter
 





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Re: CS>Colon cleanser

2006-12-14 Thread Deborah Gerard
did a search for this and found nothing relating to the colondebbie

ccdirectt  wrote:  OOPS : The product i forgot to put is 
(( LB17 ))
--- ccdirectt wrote:

> 
> Look into this stuff. Its a probiotic.Somebody on
> one
> of the CUREZONE forums was bragging about it getting
> his digestive system in line.On the website they
> also
> talk about it helping sinus problems.I'm going to
> try
> it after i get thru the holidays. 
> 
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Re: CS>question on my new batch

2006-12-14 Thread Dan Nave

If you have current limiting, then the current cannot go above this set value.

If you limit the current to a very small amount, it will take longer to get a particular 
concentration (ppm) of CS for a particular size container, compared to a batch made with a higher 
current limit setting.


The higher the current limit setting, the longer it will take for the reaction to reach the point of 
the current limit.  This is the reason for increasing the voltage, one reason for increasing the 
electrode area, and the reason for moving the electrodes closer together.  Any one of these three 
changes will make the initial current higher and therefore the cell will reach the current limit 
point faster.  After reaching the current limit point, it will not be able to go any faster.


With very low currents like .2 and .3 ma, with the types of electrodes and spacing we usually use, 
the current level is reached very quickly and there is no way to decrease the amount of time it 
takes to make the CS without increasing the current limit value.


The best way to make the process go faster is to do any or all of these things but especially to 
increase the current limit setting.  You can also spike the initial distilled water with previously 
made CS as well.


The electrode surface area determines how high a value you might want to use for a current limit. 
Generally your stirring method will relate to how high a current level you will want to use.  With 
really good stirring, you can use much higher currents.


Any one of these methods involve certain tradeoffs.

Dan

bs clayton wrote:

Thanks for the reply. I was making a quart, and the
current varied a little bit between .2 and .3, it
seems to me the average was .23mA- I can't find my
production notes, just my calc, and that is what I
wrote in the formula. The electrodes are fine silver
wire 10 gauge, 5& 1/4 inches submerged, spacing is 2
inches. I am using a Frito bean dip can to hold the
light  similar to what you described.

I think what I'm going to do next is use half of what
I made before, and fill it up with distilled water,
then crank it up to 1mA, see if it goes faster this
time- and what I end up with ppm-wise.

I read some discussion of particle size being related
to Tyndall effect, and when I started the Tyndall was
what I used to tell if it was ok. Now maybe that means
the particles are larger? Is there a consensus about
whether Tyndall is important in making this stuff? I
was trying to keep the particle size down, and the
other stuff to a minmum (silver oxides and like that).

Kathryn

Hi Kathryn.
I dont know if this got posted to the list or not so I
will repost.

Need more info. What size batch are we taking about?
What was the current .2-,3 or ,275 mA? What are you
using for Electrodes and what size. Whats the spacing
on the electrodes. 
At .275 mA  I would run the batch 24 hours per quart

with electrode spacing of 1.5 inch's using a total of
12 inch's of 12 gauge wire (6 inch's per electrode)..

If you take a peanut can , drill a one inch hole in
the top center and a one inch hole in the side, put
the light bulb in the hole in the side and the cs on
top, this will work good on a short glass jar. The
thermal stirring wont go above 5 inch's or so.

The batches I make = 50 ppm or so on the Faraday
calculations but some of the silver is left on the
electrodes or on the glass container. The cs stays
clear most of the time. 


Faraday calculations work but their are many of other
factors involved to produce a good CS. Stirring is
very important as is current control per sq inch of
electrodes. Ode from silver puppy sells a magnetic
stirrer of which has solved many of my problems, 


I have used very low current before with somewhat good
results. I prefer to use 1 mA of current per 12 inch's
of 12 or 14 gauge wire or .5mA per square inch of
total wet electrodes. 


Hope this helps.

Sam L.

On 12/7/06, bs clayton  wrote:
I am looking for some input on this new batch I did. I
changed 2 of the parameters, adding a light bulb under
the jar as a thermal stirrer, and I lowered the
current to .2-.3 mA.




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Re: CS>Progressive Spastic Paraparesis

2006-12-14 Thread Dan Nave
When I took large doses of vitamin C I felt quite good for a few days.  Then I began to get 
extremely acidic.  This would not be good for getting rid of viruses.  You might want to look into a 
buffered C if this is the case.


Otherwise, BE and CS sounds like a winner to me...

Dan

M. G. Devour wrote:

Dear Hanneke,



... My immediate thought was the
BE unit (blood electrifier), CS and Vit C.. I am only at the very
beginning of researching this condition and the retrovirus but would
appreciate all and any input from those who have knowledge and
experience with a possible protocol regarding this.



You're certainly on a good track with what you've got so far.

I wonder if a protocol with CMO might also help reverse some of the 
damage?


There are also other things to think about, such as dental toxicity in 
the form of amalgam fillings, pockets of infection, or other materials? 
The kind of stress they create can easily manifest in just about *any* 
pathology.


Overall health is as much a concern as the specific diagnosis.

I wish you success in your search. *You* are a dear friend as well.

Be well!

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

2006-12-14 Thread Vigilius Haufniensis
dont know all the particulars, but they use herbs for treatment.  herbs and 
acupuncture.

can also treat hypertension.



- Original Message - 
From: "Peter M. Stellas" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes



So how does TCM eliminate floaters from the eyes, without acupuncture?

Peter


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traditional chinese medicine.  floaters in the eyes.





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RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

2006-12-14 Thread Peter M. Stellas
So how does TCM eliminate floaters from the eyes, without acupuncture?

Peter
 

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traditional chinese medicine.  floaters in the eyes.


 


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Re: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

2006-12-14 Thread Ross Craig
Hi Peter,

Tonite, with a few beers under the belt, I cannot help but reply to your
post in detail, as I do understand what it is like, "at this stage of life",
which is code for,  I am old and have no time to waste learning about new
things.

Just tell me what will fix these damm floaters in my eyes.

You want a "concoction" to fix the floaters. But only harmless ones.

And Chinese medicine or philosophy don't interest you, and we are all going
to die anyway. If you were joking I could accept that, but i didn't see any
smileys there.

If you do realize, if it's true, that you have hypertension cause you are
not as active as you should be, then what is your question?

You are dying,  We all are.

Only you can control how fast that is happening.

Continue seeking, maybe that will help.

probably gonna regret this post.

 Ross


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From: "Peter M. Stellas" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes


> I have no idea what my blood is like, except that it is type O. I also
know
> that I have hypertension because I am not as active as I need to be.
Nothing
> seems to ail me except trying to read through floaters. If they can be
> eliminated through flax seed oil, or though the other concoctions that
have
> been mentioned here, I would like to look into that, particularly flax
seed
> oil that is absolutely harmless, as well as CS.
>
> Chinese medicine and philosophy are outside the scope of my interests, at
> this stage of my life. After all , we are all going to leave this body
> behind, sooner or later.
> But thanks for the information thus far.
>
> Peter
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Re: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

2006-12-14 Thread Vigilius Haufniensis

traditional chinese medicine.  floaters in the eyes.



- Original Message - 
From: "Peter M. Stellas" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes



What is TCM, and what is it that they can treat? Perhaps a more complete
sentence will make the message more understandable.

Peter


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From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:31 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
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lol, yeah, im a second year TCM student.  they can treat that.



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From: "Peter M. Stellas" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes


One more thing. I am not looking for acupuncturists or Ayurvedic 
medicine,
just a solution for the floaters in my eyes. One fellow claims that he 
has

found it. That is all I want.

Peter





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RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

2006-12-14 Thread Peter M. Stellas
I have no idea what my blood is like, except that it is type O. I also know
that I have hypertension because I am not as active as I need to be. Nothing
seems to ail me except trying to read through floaters. If they can be
eliminated through flax seed oil, or though the other concoctions that have
been mentioned here, I would like to look into that, particularly flax seed
oil that is absolutely harmless, as well as CS. 

Chinese medicine and philosophy are outside the scope of my interests, at
this stage of my life. After all , we are all going to leave this body
behind, sooner or later.
But thanks for the information thus far.

Peter
 

 



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RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

2006-12-14 Thread Peter M. Stellas
What is TCM, and what is it that they can treat? Perhaps a more complete
sentence will make the message more understandable.

Peter
 

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From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:31 AM
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Subject: Re: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

lol, yeah, im a second year TCM student.  they can treat that.



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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes


> One more thing. I am not looking for acupuncturists or Ayurvedic medicine,
> just a solution for the floaters in my eyes. One fellow claims that he has
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CS>[RE]CS>Re: Fwd: Supplement amounts 2nd try: Answer

2006-12-14 Thread Brooks Bradley

 Dear JR.,

   I did not know Joe personally, but I did support his work.  I believe he died of complications from injuries/conditions he endured during his extended military service.  I believe he was a disabled combat veteran.  Joe was an iconoclast of the "old school", and he "took-no-prisoners" in the conflict for men's minds.  He was VERY unpopular with the "though police".
 My personal choice is for potassium chloride powder/granules.  I take about 800 mg daily, divided into two doses about 8 hours apart.  It works for me.
  Be well,  Brooks.





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>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006
>>From: Deborah Gerard 
>>Subject: CS>Fwd: Supplement amounts 2nd try
>>Note: forwarded message attached.
>
>No such "message attached" came through in my Digest.Volume 2006 : Issue 784.
>Can you provide a link or summary?
>
>Brooks, thank you for the Potassium link:
>http://www.vialls.com/vialls/potassium.html
>Did you know him and what he died of?  Impressive amount of info on his site!
>Have you a preferred method/form of K ingestion?
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CS>RE: SO>Annealing Copper

2006-12-14 Thread Dan Nave
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/copperwi.htm



From: Kurt Voitel [mailto:k...@voitel.name] 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:22 PM
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Subject: SO>Annealing Copper



Hello:

 

Does anyone know easy ways to soften or anneal copper wire?

 

Kurt



Re: CS>question on my new batch

2006-12-14 Thread Sam L.

Hi Kathryn
The first batch was OK but you didn't run it long enough. I would estimate
24-30 hours using .23 mA per quart with electrode spacing at 2 inches. Using
1 mA would take 6-8 hours (estimated)

Thermal stirring doesn't work well with quart batches unless its a short fat
jar, the stirring action is only good for 4-5 inches upward. Although It
might work well with low current and electrode spacing of 2 inches. Most of
my experimentation has been done with electrode spacing of 1.5 inches or
less.

10.5 inches of 10 gauge wire is about 3 square inches of total electrode so
your safe up to 1.5-2 mA of current if you want to go that high but I
suspect you will need a better stirrer or a short glass like a pint jar. You
could bend your electrodes in a u shape to fit the height or the jar if
needed.

Tyndall effect shows particles, not ions. Most lvdc generators produce
80-85% ions and the rest particles. If your using a laser to show Tyndall
effect you want to see a smooth Tyndall effect, not a real grainy looking
one with big sparkles with them.  More important though is if the cs stays
clear after a day or two. If it goes off color like yellow or gray-gold then
the particle size has increased.

Hope that helps.
I have a nice Faraday calculator built into and excel speadsheet if your
interested.

Sam L.






On 12/14/06, bs clayton  wrote:


Thanks for the reply. I was making a quart, and the
current varied a little bit between .2 and .3, it
seems to me the average was .23mA- I can't find my
production notes, just my calc, and that is what I
wrote in the formula. The electrodes are fine silver
wire 10 gauge, 5& 1/4 inches submerged, spacing is 2
inches. I am using a Frito bean dip can to hold the
light  similar to what you described.

I think what I'm going to do next is use half of what
I made before, and fill it up with distilled water,
then crank it up to 1mA, see if it goes faster this
time- and what I end up with ppm-wise.

I read some discussion of particle size being related
to Tyndall effect, and when I started the Tyndall was
what I used to tell if it was ok. Now maybe that means
the particles are larger? Is there a consensus about
whether Tyndall is important in making this stuff? I
was trying to keep the particle size down, and the
other stuff to a minmum (silver oxides and like that).

Kathryn

Hi Kathryn.
I dont know if this got posted to the list or not so I
will repost.

Need more info. What size batch are we taking about?
What was the current .2-,3 or ,275 mA? What are you
using for Electrodes and what size. Whats the spacing
on the electrodes.
At .275 mA I would run the batch 24 hours per quart
with electrode spacing of 1.5 inch's using a total of
12 inch's of 12 gauge wire (6 inch's per electrode)..

If you take a peanut can , drill a one inch hole in
the top center and a one inch hole in the side, put
the light bulb in the hole in the side and the cs on
top, this will work good on a short glass jar. The
thermal stirring wont go above 5 inch's or so.

The batches I make = 50 ppm or so on the Faraday
calculations but some of the silver is left on the
electrodes or on the glass container. The cs stays
clear most of the time.

Faraday calculations work but their are many of other
factors involved to produce a good CS. Stirring is
very important as is current control per sq inch of
electrodes. Ode from silver puppy sells a magnetic
stirrer of which has solved many of my problems,

I have used very low current before with somewhat good
results. I prefer to use 1 mA of current per 12 inch's
of 12 or 14 gauge wire or .5mA per square inch of
total wet electrodes.

Hope this helps.

Sam L.

On 12/7/06, bs clayton  wrote:
I am looking for some input on this new batch I did. I
changed 2 of the parameters, adding a light bulb under
the jar as a thermal stirrer, and I lowered the
current to .2-.3 mA.






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Re: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

2006-12-14 Thread Vigilius Haufniensis

lol, yeah, im a second year TCM student.  they can treat that.



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Subject: RE: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes



One more thing. I am not looking for acupuncturists or Ayurvedic medicine,
just a solution for the floaters in my eyes. One fellow claims that he has
found it. That is all I want.

Peter





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Re: CS>RE: floaters in the eyes

2006-12-14 Thread Vigilius Haufniensis

I can't say that I have had any more vexation or anger than the next
person, nor have I had liver problems. All in all, I have been very 
healthy

and will be 70 years old in April, although most people don't put me past
50. So how does that relate to floaters?
> Peter



VMANN:  in traditional chinese medicine, the liver is said to "open into" 
the eyes.  if youre 70, it could be a yin deficiency.  hard to say, without 
being able to diagnose you in person.  what's your blood like?

vigilius haufniensis
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Re: CS>question on my new batch

2006-12-14 Thread bs clayton
Thanks for the reply. I was making a quart, and the
current varied a little bit between .2 and .3, it
seems to me the average was .23mA- I can't find my
production notes, just my calc, and that is what I
wrote in the formula. The electrodes are fine silver
wire 10 gauge, 5& 1/4 inches submerged, spacing is 2
inches. I am using a Frito bean dip can to hold the
light  similar to what you described.

I think what I'm going to do next is use half of what
I made before, and fill it up with distilled water,
then crank it up to 1mA, see if it goes faster this
time- and what I end up with ppm-wise.

I read some discussion of particle size being related
to Tyndall effect, and when I started the Tyndall was
what I used to tell if it was ok. Now maybe that means
the particles are larger? Is there a consensus about
whether Tyndall is important in making this stuff? I
was trying to keep the particle size down, and the
other stuff to a minmum (silver oxides and like that).

Kathryn

Hi Kathryn.
I dont know if this got posted to the list or not so I
will repost.

Need more info. What size batch are we taking about?
What was the current .2-,3 or ,275 mA? What are you
using for Electrodes and what size. Whats the spacing
on the electrodes. 
At .275 mA  I would run the batch 24 hours per quart
with electrode spacing of 1.5 inch's using a total of
12 inch's of 12 gauge wire (6 inch's per electrode)..

If you take a peanut can , drill a one inch hole in
the top center and a one inch hole in the side, put
the light bulb in the hole in the side and the cs on
top, this will work good on a short glass jar. The
thermal stirring wont go above 5 inch's or so.

The batches I make = 50 ppm or so on the Faraday
calculations but some of the silver is left on the
electrodes or on the glass container. The cs stays
clear most of the time. 

Faraday calculations work but their are many of other
factors involved to produce a good CS. Stirring is
very important as is current control per sq inch of
electrodes. Ode from silver puppy sells a magnetic
stirrer of which has solved many of my problems, 

I have used very low current before with somewhat good
results. I prefer to use 1 mA of current per 12 inch's
of 12 or 14 gauge wire or .5mA per square inch of
total wet electrodes. 

Hope this helps.

Sam L.

On 12/7/06, bs clayton  wrote:
I am looking for some input on this new batch I did. I
changed 2 of the parameters, adding a light bulb under
the jar as a thermal stirrer, and I lowered the
current to .2-.3 mA.



 

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Re: CS>Progressive Spastic Paraparesis

2006-12-14 Thread M. G. Devour
Dear Hanneke,

> ... My immediate thought was the
> BE unit (blood electrifier), CS and Vit C.. I am only at the very
> beginning of researching this condition and the retrovirus but would
> appreciate all and any input from those who have knowledge and
> experience with a possible protocol regarding this.

You're certainly on a good track with what you've got so far.

I wonder if a protocol with CMO might also help reverse some of the 
damage?

There are also other things to think about, such as dental toxicity in 
the form of amalgam fillings, pockets of infection, or other materials? 
The kind of stress they create can easily manifest in just about *any* 
pathology.

Overall health is as much a concern as the specific diagnosis.

I wish you success in your search. *You* are a dear friend as well.

Be well!

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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