Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.

[bbanever]

I'm sure that mercury plays a big part is many of the cases that develop. 
It is a potent neurotoxin that permeates the blood brain barrier.  Of 
course, other ingredients such as aluminum and formaldehyde, or evey 
aspartame, can cause systemic neurological disease.  A bad immune response 
can cause swelling of the brain too... not to mention other auto-immune 
diseases which are too numerous to mention.  Vaccines are dangerous, period.
- Original Message - 
From: "Clayton Family" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.



The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems.

On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote:


This one's for Ode,

INFANT  PRIMATES GIVEN VACCINES ON U.S. CHILDREN'S IMMUNIZATION SCHEDULE
DEVELOP  BEHAVIORAL SYMPTOMS OF AUTISM
_http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/press051908.php_
(http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/press051908.php)




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Re: CS>Understanding Food Irradiation

[bbanever]

More evidence that the FDA is in the business of committing genocide against 
human beings, and that they are an arm of big business that wants us all as 
sick as possible so we will be forced to use their FDA approved doctors, 
therapies, and drugs.  This is not only Unconstitutional, it is criminal. 
I thought is was governements job to protect it's citizens, but instead they 
are trying to kill us and profit from our misery before we die.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:33 PM
Subject: CS>Understanding Food Irradiation



Understanding Food Irradiation
http://www.centerfo rfoodsafety. org/food_ irrad.cfm

What is Food Irradiation?

Food irradiation uses high-energy Gamma rays, electron beams, or X-rays 
(all of which are millions of times more powerful than standard medical 
X-rays) to break apart the bacteria and insects that can hide in meat, 
grains, and other foods.


Radiation can do strange things to food, by creating substances called 
"unique radiolytic products." These irradiation byproducts include a 
variety of mutagens - substances that can cause gene mutations, polyploidy 
(an abnormal condition in which cells contain more than two sets of 
chromosomes) , chromosome aberrations (often associated with cancerous 
cells), and dominant lethal mutations (a change in a cell that prevents it 
from reproducing) in human cells. Making matters worse, many mutagens are 
also carcinogens.


Research also shows that irradiation forms volatile toxic chemicals such 
as benzene and toluene, chemicals known or suspected to cause cancer and 
birth defects. Irradiation also causes stunted growth in lab animals fed 
irradiated foods.


An important 2001 study linked colon tumor promotion in lab rats to 
2-alkylcyclobutanon es (2-ACB's), a new chemical compound found only in 
irradiated foods.  The FDA has never tested the safety of these 
byproducts. Irradiation has also been shown to cause the low-level 
production of furans (similar to cancer-causing dioxins) in fruit juice.


FDA to Weaken Labeling on Food Irradiation

The FDA has announced a rule to weaken labeling restrictions of irradiated 
foods.


Currently, irradiated food must be labeled as "Treated with irradiation" 
or "Treated by radiation" and must display the irradiated "radura" symbol. 
But now, in yet another attempt to appease industry at the expense of the 
public, the FDA has proposed a new rule that would allow irradiated food 
to be marketed in some cases without any labeling at all.


In other cases, the rule would allow the terms "electronically 
pasteurized" or "cold pasteurized" to replace the use of "irradiated" on 
labels.  These terms are not used by scientists, but rather are designed 
to fool consumers about what's been done to their food.


Food Safety Concerns

In addition to the proposed weakening of the labeling requirements for 
irradiated food, FDA's rule would also severely limit them by requiring 
companies to label irradiated food only when the radiation treatment 
causes a 'material change' to the product.


Examples include changes to the taste, texture, smell or shelf life of a 
food. Published research on irradiated foods reveals that irradiation does 
change, and can actually ruin, the flavor, odor, appearance, and texture 
of food.


Such research repeatedly finds that irradiated foods smell rotten, 
metallic, bloody, burnt, grassy, and generally off. The taste has been 
described as like sulfur, singed hair, burnt feathers, burnt oil, and 
rancid fat.  Beyond the obvious yuck factor, serious questions remain as 
to whether irradiated foods are safe to eat.


Irradiation Destroys the Vitamin Content of Foods

Irradiated foods can lose from 2-95% of their vitamins. For example, 
irradiation can destroy up to 80% of the vitamin A in eggs, up to 95% of 
the vitamin A and lutein in green beans, up to 50% of the vitamin A and 
lutein in broccoli, and 40% of the beta-carotene in orange juice. 
Irradiation also doubles the amount of trans fats in beef.


Despite 50 years of research, food scientists still do not fully 
understand how these changes take place. Much of the ongoing research, in 
fact, is focused on devising new ways to hide these changes, rather than 
addressing the cause of the changes themselves.


Irradiation is Not the Solution to Food-Borne Illness

Using recent food-contamination scandals as a springboard, irradiation has 
been touted as the solution to food-borne illness in everything from 
spinach to deli meats. But a good, hard look at the systemic food and 
agricultural problems that cause these tragic outbreaks in the first place 
has yet to be undertaken by government agencies.


Masks the Unsanitary Condition of Factory Farms

Irradiation is an after the fact "solution" that does nothing to address 
the unsanitary conditions of factory farms, and actually creates a 
disincentive for producers and handlers to take preventative steps in 
production in 

Re: CS>vaccine dangers

[bbanever]

Vicki Hood,

 I know.  My dog contracted hemolytic anemia after getting a rabies 
vaccine.  I've been dealing with it ever since, and he's had 4 episodes of 
this.  A very expensive nightmare, let me tell you.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Clayton Family" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: CS>vaccine dangers


That is such a trajedy. My son became seriously ill after the dpt vac,
and they would not listen to me until I was screaming at them and
threatening to turn them all in.  That got their attention, and the doc
finally returned my call. I think the nurses were trained to not allow
anyone to talk to the doctors directly.  I am convinced he would have
died if I had followed their advice and ignored his symptoms, and
continued to give him the shots on their schedule.

I later read a book on the pertussis vaccine, and many many children
died of so-called SIDS just after getting the pertussis vaccine. Their
symptoms were identical to my son's symptoms.   --kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Vicki hood wrote:

take all of the bad ingredients out of vaccines and you have no vaccine. 
mercury, aluminum, anti-freeze, pus, endless list of danger. visit 
vaclib.org. phone numbers of pharma companies who are obliged, by law,if 
you care to check with them on the ingredients in their vaccines. there 
are forms on this site that will excuse your child from vaccines at 
school. besides, there is nothing in my constitution that says my 
government (public schools) can put a foreign substance into my body. 
personally, i got my multiple sclerosis within a week of a vaccine. my 
step-grandson (3 months old) died few days after vaccine. think of your 
pets as well. vaccines upset their auto-immune systems as well. muttmom 
vicki hood


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Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Arnold Beland]

LOL   Wow, what a deal!!!  If anyone wants a ready made solution for under 
$200, why not get a generator from Ken at http://silverpuppy.com/.
It has some real guts and is sold by someone who has forgotten more about 
this stuff than must of us will ever know.
As long as we are into blatant self-promotion, free plans and theory for a 
constant polarity machine can be found at

http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm
and all the parts and equipment are available for $29.99.
http://www.atlasnova.com/ColloidalSilverStarterKit.htm
Best Regards,
Arnold Beland
www.atlasnova.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Meissner yahoo" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial



Dear Bob:

Thank you, you are right, the link does not work.  I will email my web 
guy.


The generator consists of a battery box, two AA batteries, one 4.7 K ohm
resistor and two # 12 AWG .999 silver wires and a Teflon sleeve.  It takes
about an hour to make.  Total manufacturing cost is less than $50.  For a
while I was selling plans for $10 for people to make their own.  No one 
has

bought the plans.  I have sold quite a few of generators.

I have plans and instruction of how to make lots of things on my
EnergyPulser yahoo group but the interesting thing is that only 1 out of 
100

are actually able build something.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com

-Original Message-
From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

...at that page, the link to see a pic of the generator doesn't work.
i want to see inside the box of a 3vdc constant polarity machine to see
what's costing $200.


EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... 
but

they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together.  the
particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely
being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually
falling out.
so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works 
best?

again & again, ad nauseum.


-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial


Dear Mary Ellen:

Click on the link

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator

No, not all generators are alike.
There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom.

Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in
size.  He has
done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface
area and best effects.

Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com

-Original Message-
From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial


Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal
silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and 
a

lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an
atom is a
as small as you can get and that's what they all do.

Thanks
Mary Ellen





-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Dear Mike:

I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol
alerted me
to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol
got bitten
by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .

Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme
for over 14
years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel
like she was
90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.

During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every 
day

for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a
lower dosage,
her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high 
dosage

should only be done with well made colloidal silver

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator

containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank 
Key

who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
MesoSilver.

Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
your CS group?

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com

-Original Mes

RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Carol Ann]

http://www.silverpuppy.com/

Mary Ellen Murphy  wrote: What are some other 
generators that are Ionic silver

-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable 
particle of any element.  Don't confuse the poor girl.  I respect Frank 
Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be 
too sick to understand.

Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. 
I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more 
effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking 
about ions.  My generator certainly produces ions, which are the 
smallest pieces of silver that can exist.

kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote:

> Dear Mary Ellen:
>
> Click on the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> No, not all generators are alike.
> There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an 
> atom.
>
> Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
> possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size.  
> He has
> done some research that says that the smaller particle means more 
> surface
> area and best effects.
>
> Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm
>
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] 


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Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html
   

Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Clayton Family]

On Jun 15, 2008, at 5:34 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote:


Dear Kathryn:


but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking
about ions


Mary Ellen used the word atoms.

There are ions, atoms and particles and they are different things.  I 
do not
think it is nick picking when someone uses the wrong words.  An ion is 
an

incomplete atom and yes it will be smaller than an atom.  Most homemade
generators produce mostly ions.  My version produces more than 90% 
ions.
Depending on the generator, voltage, current, salt, and many other 
variables
the particles produced "could" be very large.  When taking a teaspoon 
a day
that may not make any difference.  When taking 32 ounces a day as 
Carol did,

then in my opinion, it becomes very important.



that may be. I have not taken that much in a day before.  I think my 
homemade brew also has a few oxides, and hydroxides in addition to the 
ions. When I make a good batch, it has very little tyndall, so mostly 
ions. Nearly all my batches are good ones, but once in a while 
something happens.  --kathryn




Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com

-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable
particle of any element.  Don't confuse the poor girl.  I respect Frank
Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be
too sick to understand.

Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution.
I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more
effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking
about ions.  My generator certainly produces ions, which are the
smallest pieces of silver that can exist.

kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote:


Dear Mary Ellen:

Click on the link

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator

No, not all generators are alike.
There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an
atom.

Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size.
He has
done some research that says that the smaller particle means more
surface
area and best effects.

Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com

-Original Message-
From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net]



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Re: CS>Pain and depression with Lyme- herx?

[Clayton Family]

You are welcome.  I have not done the salt/C protocol, however, I have 
had a little experience with the herx from other things. For me, 
sweating helps enormously, and it is important to get the sweat off 
ASAP. Sauna is the best, but a hot bath with salt in it is what I 
usually do. Even sitting in a hot car for awhile will work. If you are 
sweating alot, it can be important to replace electrolytes, like sodium 
& potassium, also magnesium, and calcium to a lesser extent. There are 
supplements too.  I used a type of candida detox protocol, there are 
several online.  One good place to find info is at the yahoo group 
"sauna detox". Another group is "detox"- there are files with info at  
both groups.


You can ask about the salt/C at the Lyme group, they should know.

kathryn


On Jun 15, 2008, at 6:16 PM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:

Thank you   I am using diatomatious earth for the parasites.  I know 
they
can be a big problems also.  What can be done about the herx when 
doing the

salt/ C protocol.  How slowly should you start.

Thanks
Mary Ellen

-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:00 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Pain and depression with Lyme

And it does not help that many docs view depression as not part of the
problem, in my opinion caused by maybe spirochetes in the brain, and/or
brain poisons put out by the bugs.

Yes, it surely can be, so don't fall for it.  Repetitive thinking can
be definitely caused by physical ailments.  There was one preliminary
study that showed the parasites that cause cat scratch fever
(toxoplasmosis?) are killed by several psychology medications, as well
as anti parasitics.  They were going to try treating people with
bi-polar disorder with antiparasitics and see if it helped them. There
is a serious probability that many so-called psychological complaints
are actually parasitic, or toxic in nature.

You may have limited energy. It may feel overwhelming, but you can do
it. Just get through one day at a time. I still keep lists of what I
need to do each day (supplements to take, and when to take them), so I
don't forget something important.

Hang in there.

kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:


I am in sever back pain and suicidal depression.  Is this part of
lyme.  I am not sure I can hang on and continue all this protocol.  
It is just

to much to do by yourself.
Mary ellen



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RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Bob:

Thank you, you are right, the link does not work.  I will email my web guy.

The generator consists of a battery box, two AA batteries, one 4.7 K ohm
resistor and two # 12 AWG .999 silver wires and a Teflon sleeve.  It takes
about an hour to make.  Total manufacturing cost is less than $50.  For a
while I was selling plans for $10 for people to make their own.  No one has
bought the plans.  I have sold quite a few of generators.

I have plans and instruction of how to make lots of things on my
EnergyPulser yahoo group but the interesting thing is that only 1 out of 100
are actually able build something.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

-Original Message-
From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

...at that page, the link to see a pic of the generator doesn't work.
i want to see inside the box of a 3vdc constant polarity machine to see
what's costing $200.


EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but
they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together.  the
particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely
being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually
falling out.
so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best?
again & again, ad nauseum.

> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
>
>
> Dear Mary Ellen:
>
> Click on the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> No, not all generators are alike.
> There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom.
>
> Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
> possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in
> size.  He has
> done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface
> area and best effects.
>
> Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm
>
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
>
>
> Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal
> silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a
> lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an
> atom is a
> as small as you can get and that's what they all do.
>
> Thanks
> Mary Ellen
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
> To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
> Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Dear Mike:
>
> I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol
> alerted me
> to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol
> got bitten
> by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
> way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .
>
> Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
> diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme
> for over 14
> years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
> months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel
> like she was
> 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.
>
> During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
> for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a
> lower dosage,
> her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
> should only be done with well made colloidal silver
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
> who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
> MesoSilver.
>
> Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
> your CS group?
>
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> > What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of
> pain, fagigue,
> > brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> > apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of
> this.  This
> is
> > a
> >  miserable existence.
> >
> >
> All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the
> top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling a

RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[bob Larson]

...at that page, the link to see a pic of the generator doesn't work.
i want to see inside the box of a 3vdc constant polarity machine to see
what's costing $200.


EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but
they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together.  the
particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely
being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually
falling out.
so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best?
again & again, ad nauseum.

> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
>
>
> Dear Mary Ellen:
>
> Click on the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> No, not all generators are alike.
> There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom.
>
> Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
> possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in
> size.  He has
> done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface
> area and best effects.
>
> Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm
>
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
>
>
> Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal
> silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a
> lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an
> atom is a
> as small as you can get and that's what they all do.
>
> Thanks
> Mary Ellen
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
> To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
> Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Dear Mike:
>
> I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol
> alerted me
> to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol
> got bitten
> by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
> way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .
>
> Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
> diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme
> for over 14
> years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
> months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel
> like she was
> 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.
>
> During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
> for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a
> lower dosage,
> her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
> should only be done with well made colloidal silver
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
> who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
> MesoSilver.
>
> Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
> your CS group?
>
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> > What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of
> pain, fagigue,
> > brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> > apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of
> this.  This
> is
> > a
> >  miserable existence.
> >
> >
> All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the
> top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay
> awake, and later arthritis.
>
> Marshall
> > Mary Ellen
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave
> >  [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> > To:
> >  silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
> >
> > Mary Ellen:
> >I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
> >  named it.
> > Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
> >  put
> > a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that
> > still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it
> brain fog.
> >
> >Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it
> > (the lyme).
> > I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
> >  two 16
> > ounce bottles and a generator and started ta

RE: CS>Pain and depression with Lyme

[Mary Ellen Murphy]

Thank you   I am using diatomatious earth for the parasites.  I know they
can be a big problems also.  What can be done about the herx when doing the
salt/ C protocol.  How slowly should you start.

Thanks
Mary Ellen

-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:00 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Pain and depression with Lyme

And it does not help that many docs view depression as not part of the 
problem, in my opinion caused by maybe spirochetes in the brain, and/or 
brain poisons put out by the bugs.

Yes, it surely can be, so don't fall for it.  Repetitive thinking can 
be definitely caused by physical ailments.  There was one preliminary 
study that showed the parasites that cause cat scratch fever 
(toxoplasmosis?) are killed by several psychology medications, as well 
as anti parasitics.  They were going to try treating people with 
bi-polar disorder with antiparasitics and see if it helped them. There 
is a serious probability that many so-called psychological complaints 
are actually parasitic, or toxic in nature.

You may have limited energy. It may feel overwhelming, but you can do 
it. Just get through one day at a time. I still keep lists of what I 
need to do each day (supplements to take, and when to take them), so I 
don't forget something important.

Hang in there.

kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:

> I am in sever back pain and suicidal depression.  Is this part of 
> lyme.  I
> am not sure I can hang on and continue all this protocol.  It is just 
> to
> much to do by yourself.
> Mary ellen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM


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RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Mary Ellen Murphy]

What are some other generators that are Ionic silver

-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable 
particle of any element.  Don't confuse the poor girl.  I respect Frank 
Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be 
too sick to understand.

Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. 
I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more 
effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking 
about ions.  My generator certainly produces ions, which are the 
smallest pieces of silver that can exist.

kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote:

> Dear Mary Ellen:
>
> Click on the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> No, not all generators are alike.
> There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an 
> atom.
>
> Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
> possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size.  
> He has
> done some research that says that the smaller particle means more 
> surface
> area and best effects.
>
> Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm
>
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] 


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RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Kathryn:

>> but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking 
>> about ions

Mary Ellen used the word atoms.

There are ions, atoms and particles and they are different things.  I do not
think it is nick picking when someone uses the wrong words.  An ion is an
incomplete atom and yes it will be smaller than an atom.  Most homemade
generators produce mostly ions.  My version produces more than 90% ions.
Depending on the generator, voltage, current, salt, and many other variables
the particles produced "could" be very large.  When taking a teaspoon a day
that may not make any difference.  When taking 32 ounces a day as Carol did,
then in my opinion, it becomes very important.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable 
particle of any element.  Don't confuse the poor girl.  I respect Frank 
Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be 
too sick to understand.

Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. 
I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more 
effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking 
about ions.  My generator certainly produces ions, which are the 
smallest pieces of silver that can exist.

kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote:

> Dear Mary Ellen:
>
> Click on the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> No, not all generators are alike.
> There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an 
> atom.
>
> Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
> possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size.  
> He has
> done some research that says that the smaller particle means more 
> surface
> area and best effects.
>
> Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm
>
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] 


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Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Clayton Family]

I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable 
particle of any element.  Don't confuse the poor girl.  I respect Frank 
Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be 
too sick to understand.


Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. 
I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more 
effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking 
about ions.  My generator certainly produces ions, which are the 
smallest pieces of silver that can exist.


kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote:


Dear Mary Ellen:

Click on the link

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator

No, not all generators are alike.
There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an 
atom.


Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size.  
He has
done some research that says that the smaller particle means more 
surface

area and best effects.

Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com

-Original Message-
From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] 



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Re: CS>Pain and depression with Lyme

[Clayton Family]

And it does not help that many docs view depression as not part of the 
problem, in my opinion caused by maybe spirochetes in the brain, and/or 
brain poisons put out by the bugs.


Yes, it surely can be, so don't fall for it.  Repetitive thinking can 
be definitely caused by physical ailments.  There was one preliminary 
study that showed the parasites that cause cat scratch fever 
(toxoplasmosis?) are killed by several psychology medications, as well 
as anti parasitics.  They were going to try treating people with 
bi-polar disorder with antiparasitics and see if it helped them. There 
is a serious probability that many so-called psychological complaints 
are actually parasitic, or toxic in nature.


You may have limited energy. It may feel overwhelming, but you can do 
it. Just get through one day at a time. I still keep lists of what I 
need to do each day (supplements to take, and when to take them), so I 
don't forget something important.


Hang in there.

kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:

I am in sever back pain and suicidal depression.  Is this part of 
lyme.  I
am not sure I can hang on and continue all this protocol.  It is just 
to

much to do by yourself.
Mary ellen

-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM



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Re: CS>vaccine dangers

[Clayton Family]

That is such a trajedy. My son became seriously ill after the dpt vac, 
and they would not listen to me until I was screaming at them and 
threatening to turn them all in.  That got their attention, and the doc 
finally returned my call. I think the nurses were trained to not allow 
anyone to talk to the doctors directly.  I am convinced he would have 
died if I had followed their advice and ignored his symptoms, and 
continued to give him the shots on their schedule.


I later read a book on the pertussis vaccine, and many many children 
died of so-called SIDS just after getting the pertussis vaccine. Their 
symptoms were identical to my son's symptoms.   --kathryn


On Jun 15, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Vicki hood wrote:

take all of the bad ingredients out of vaccines and you have no 
vaccine.  mercury, aluminum, anti-freeze, pus, endless list of 
danger.  visit vaclib.org.  phone numbers of pharma companies who are 
obliged, by law,if you care to check with them on the ingredients in 
their vaccines. there are forms on this site that will excuse your 
child from vaccines at school.  besides, there is nothing in my 
constitution that says my government (public schools) can put a 
foreign substance into my body.    personally, i got my multiple 
sclerosis within a week of a vaccine.  my step-grandson (3 months old) 
died few days after vaccine.  think of your pets as well.  vaccines 
upset their auto-immune systems as well.  muttmom vicki hood


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RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Mary Ellen:

Click on the link

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 

No, not all generators are alike. 
There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom.

Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size.  He has
done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface
area and best effects.

Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

-Original Message-
From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial


Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal
silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a
lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a
as small as you can get and that's what they all do.

Thanks
Mary Ellen 





-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Dear Mike:

I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me
to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol got bitten
by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link  

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .

Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14
years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was
90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.  

During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage,
her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
should only be done with well made colloidal silver 

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 

containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
MesoSilver. 

Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
your CS group? 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com  

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue,
> brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of this.  This
is
> a
>  miserable existence.
>
>   
All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the 
top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay 
awake, and later arthritis.

Marshall
> Mary Ellen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave
>  [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To:
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen:
>I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
>  named it.
> Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
>  put 
> a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that 
> still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog.
>
>Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it 
> (the lyme).
> I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
>  two 16 
> ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small
>  tablespoon 
> full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles 
> with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle 
> all
>  at once.
> At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking
>  it at 
> the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it
>  killed me
> it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this 
> regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of 
> well
>  being.
>
> The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage
>  wasn't 
> over.
>
> Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took
>  blood for 
> testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two
>  bands, after 
> the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back
>  negative.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
>   
>> I am a new member.  I am
>> 
>  trying to find out info about Lyme and how to use
>   
>> the silver, with
>> 

RE: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Mary Ellen:

Click on the link

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus 


Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 
-Original Message-
From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:42 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

What is the Doup Plus that Carol used..

-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Dear Mike:

I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me
to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol got bitten
by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link  

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .

Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14
years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was
90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.  

During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage,
her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
should only be done with well made colloidal silver 

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 

containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
MesoSilver. 

Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
your CS group? 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com  

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue,
> brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of this.  This
is
> a
>  miserable existence.
>
>   
All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the 
top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay 
awake, and later arthritis.

Marshall
> Mary Ellen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave
>  [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To:
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen:
>I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
>  named it.
> Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
>  put 
> a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that 
> still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog.
>
>Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it 
> (the lyme).
> I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
>  two 16 
> ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small
>  tablespoon 
> full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles 
> with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle 
> all
>  at once.
> At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking
>  it at 
> the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it
>  killed me
> it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this 
> regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of 
> well
>  being.
>
> The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage
>  wasn't 
> over.
>
> Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took
>  blood for 
> testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two
>  bands, after 
> the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back
>  negative.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
>   
>> I am a new member.  I am
>> 
>  trying to find out info about Lyme and how to use
>   
>> the silver, with
>> 
>  diatamatious earth to get rid of Lyme
>   
>>  
>>
>> I have also gotten info about the
>> 
>  terminator zapper.  Has anyone had
> success
>   
>> using these products to get
>> 
>  rid of Lyme.
>   
>>  
>>
>> I am presently taking the cumanda and burber
>> 
>  protocol.
>   
>>  
>>
>> How do you read arhives with this site.  I was
>> 
>  referred by Wolfcreek,
>   
>> suppliers of diatamaitous earth
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: oha...@juno.com
>> 
>  [mailto:oha...@juno.com] 
>   
>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:06 PM
>> To:
>> 
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
>   
>> Subject: Re: CS>How to use site
>>
>> The site you a

CS>Understanding Food Irradiation

[kmilkowski]

Understanding Food Irradiation
http://www.centerfo rfoodsafety. org/food_ irrad.cfm
 
What is Food Irradiation?

Food irradiation uses high-energy Gamma rays, electron beams, or X-rays (all of 
which are millions of times more powerful than standard medical X-rays) to 
break apart the bacteria and insects that can hide in meat, grains, and other 
foods. 
 
Radiation can do strange things to food, by creating substances called "unique 
radiolytic products." These irradiation byproducts include a variety of 
mutagens - substances that can cause gene mutations, polyploidy (an abnormal 
condition in which cells contain more than two sets of chromosomes) , 
chromosome aberrations (often associated with cancerous cells), and dominant 
lethal mutations (a change in a cell that prevents it from reproducing) in 
human cells. Making matters worse, many mutagens are also carcinogens.
 
Research also shows that irradiation forms volatile toxic chemicals such as 
benzene and toluene, chemicals known or suspected to cause cancer and birth 
defects. Irradiation also causes stunted growth in lab animals fed irradiated 
foods.  
 
An important 2001 study linked colon tumor promotion in lab rats to 
2-alkylcyclobutanon es (2-ACB's), a new chemical compound found only in 
irradiated foods.  The FDA has never tested the safety of these byproducts. 
Irradiation has also been shown to cause the low-level production of furans 
(similar to cancer-causing dioxins) in fruit juice.
 
FDA to Weaken Labeling on Food Irradiation
 
The FDA has announced a rule to weaken labeling restrictions of irradiated 
foods.
 
Currently, irradiated food must be labeled as "Treated with irradiation" or 
"Treated by radiation" and must display the irradiated "radura" symbol.  But 
now, in yet another attempt to appease industry at the expense of the public, 
the FDA has proposed a new rule that would allow irradiated food to be marketed 
in some cases without any labeling at all.  
 
In other cases, the rule would allow the terms "electronically pasteurized" or 
"cold pasteurized" to replace the use of "irradiated" on labels.  These terms 
are not used by scientists, but rather are designed to fool consumers about 
what's been done to their food. 
 
Food Safety Concerns

In addition to the proposed weakening of the labeling requirements for 
irradiated food, FDA's rule would also severely limit them by requiring 
companies to label irradiated food only when the radiation treatment causes a 
'material change' to the product. 
 
Examples include changes to the taste, texture, smell or shelf life of a food. 
Published research on irradiated foods reveals that irradiation does change, 
and can actually ruin, the flavor, odor, appearance, and texture of food. 
 
Such research repeatedly finds that irradiated foods smell rotten, metallic, 
bloody, burnt, grassy, and generally off. The taste has been described as like 
sulfur, singed hair, burnt feathers, burnt oil, and rancid fat.  Beyond the 
obvious yuck factor, serious questions remain as to whether irradiated foods 
are safe to eat. 
 
Irradiation Destroys the Vitamin Content of Foods

Irradiated foods can lose from 2-95% of their vitamins. For example, 
irradiation can destroy up to 80% of the vitamin A in eggs, up to 95% of the 
vitamin A and lutein in green beans, up to 50% of the vitamin A and lutein in 
broccoli, and 40% of the beta-carotene in orange juice. Irradiation also 
doubles the amount of trans fats in beef. 
 
Despite 50 years of research, food scientists still do not fully understand how 
these changes take place. Much of the ongoing research, in fact, is focused on 
devising new ways to hide these changes, rather than addressing the cause of 
the changes themselves.
 
Irradiation is Not the Solution to Food-Borne Illness

Using recent food-contamination scandals as a springboard, irradiation has been 
touted as the solution to food-borne illness in everything from spinach to deli 
meats. But a good, hard look at the systemic food and agricultural problems 
that cause these tragic outbreaks in the first place has yet to be undertaken 
by government agencies. 
 
Masks the Unsanitary Condition of Factory Farms

Irradiation is an after the fact "solution" that does nothing to address the 
unsanitary conditions of factory farms, and actually creates a disincentive for 
producers and handlers to take preventative steps in production in handling. 
 
The longer shelf life created by irradiation (affording longer shipping 
distances) also provides greater opportunity for post-treatment contamination 
via shipping, handling, etc. Additionally, irradiation does not work to stop 
toxins produced by some bacteria (like botulism); viruses, like foot and mouth 
disease or hepatitis, are resistant to the irradiation doses used in food; and 
prions (thought to be the cause of BSE, or Mad Cow disease) are resistant as 
well. 
 
Contributes to Consolidation of the Agriculture Industry and the Globalizati

Re: CS>Hydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners

[cking001]

Lots of folk use hydrogen peroxide as a supplement with excellent
results.
Been reading about it for years.
I think the newsletter contains a misdiagnosis, and should be taken
with a grain of salt.

Chuck
Gosh, that takes me back...or forward. That's the trouble with time
travel, you never can tell.


On 6/15/2008 2:23:09 PM, Day Sutton (day.sut...@gmail.com) wrote:
> interesting indeed. I have been brushing my teeth by taking a sip of H2O2,
> then brushing. It's keeping my gums from infection, and I don't notice
> anything elsebeen doing this for about 2 years..
> 
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Re: CS>vaccine dangers

[kmilkowski]

You got "MS" from the spirochetes they put into the vaccines. Check this link 
out:

http://www.shoptown.com/Dean/ALS2Lyme.htm

You may want to get yoursefl on a lyme protocol as well, many folks who treat 
lyme induced MS partly or fully recover.

Kurt
 Vicki hood  wrote: 
> take all of the bad ingredients out of vaccines and you have no vaccine.  
> mercury, aluminum, anti-freeze, pus, endless list of danger.  visit 
> vaclib.org.  phone numbers of pharma companies who are obliged, by law,if you 
> care to check with them on the ingredients in their vaccines. there are forms 
> on this site that will excuse your child from vaccines at school.  besides, 
> there is nothing in my constitution that says my government (public schools) 
> can put a foreign substance into my body.personally, i got my multiple 
> sclerosis within a week of a vaccine.  my step-grandson (3 months old) died 
> few days after vaccine.  think of your pets as well.  vaccines upset their 
> auto-immune systems as well.  muttmom vicki hood


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CS>vaccine dangers

[Vicki hood]

take all of the bad ingredients out of vaccines and you have no vaccine.  
mercury, aluminum, anti-freeze, pus, endless list of danger.  visit vaclib.org. 
 phone numbers of pharma companies who are obliged, by law,if you care to check 
with them on the ingredients in their vaccines. there are forms on this site 
that will excuse your child from vaccines at school.  besides, there is nothing 
in my constitution that says my government (public schools) can put a foreign 
substance into my body.personally, i got my multiple sclerosis within a 
week of a vaccine.  my step-grandson (3 months old) died few days after 
vaccine.  think of your pets as well.  vaccines upset their auto-immune systems 
as well.  muttmom vicki hood

Re: CS>Pain and depression with Lyme

[kmilkowski]

Stop trying to do it all by yourself Mary Ellen. Many here tried to send you 
over to lymestragies, and we are still waiting for you to show up! We have 
1,800 lymies there, already been through what you are going through, so come on 
over.

Yes, pain and depression are lyme related and they both suck!

Kurt
 Mary Ellen Murphy  wrote: 
> I am in sever back pain and suicidal depression.  Is this part of lyme.  I
> am not sure I can hang on and continue all this protocol.  It is just to
> much to do by yourself.
> Mary ellen 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
> To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
> Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
> 
> Dear Mike:
> 
> I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me
> to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol got bitten
> by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
> way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link  
> 
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .
> 
> Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
> diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14
> years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
> months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was
> 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.  
> 
> During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
> for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage,
> her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
> should only be done with well made colloidal silver 
> 
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 
> 
> containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
> who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
> MesoSilver. 
> 
> Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
> your CS group? 
> 
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
> 
> Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> > What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue,
> > brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> > apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of this.  This
> is
> > a
> >  miserable existence.
> >
> >   
> All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the 
> top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay 
> awake, and later arthritis.
> 
> Marshall
> > Mary Ellen
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave
> >  [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] 
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> > To:
> >  silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
> >
> > Mary Ellen:
> >I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
> >  named it.
> > Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
> >  put 
> > a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that 
> > still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog.
> >
> >Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it 
> > (the lyme).
> > I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
> >  two 16 
> > ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small
> >  tablespoon 
> > full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles 
> > with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle 
> > all
> >  at once.
> > At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking
> >  it at 
> > the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it
> >  killed me
> > it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this 
> > regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of 
> > well
> >  being.
> >
> > The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage
> >  wasn't 
> > over.
> >
> > Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took
> >  blood for 
> > testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two
> >  bands, after 
> > the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back
> >  negative.
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> >   
> >> I am a new member.  I am
> >> 
> >  trying to find out info about Lyme and how to use
> >   
> >> the silver, with
> >> 
> >  diatamatious earth to get rid of Lyme
> >   
> >>  
> >>
> >> I have also gotten info about the
> >> 
> >  terminator zapper.  Has anyone had
> > success
> >   
> >> using these products to get
> >> 
> >  rid of Lyme.
> >   
> >>  
> >>
> >> I am presently taking the cumanda and bu

Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.

[kmilkowski]

Removing mercury and adding aspartame doesn't change a thing in the vaccines. 
If anything it makes them more toxic, from one neuro-toxin to the other. What 
in the world would be the point of adding a "sweetener" to something that is 
administered to your bloodstream?? Vaccines are nothing more than 
poulation/mind control/eugenics, that's what they're all about.

Kurt
 Clayton Family  wrote: 
> there was a very good study looking at the mercury connection, and it 
> was ruled out. There are people that have reactions to the thimerosol 
> (mercury) in the vaccines, but that is not necessarily the same thing. 
> There are a whole ton of things that are poisonous to the nervous 
> system, and there may be several different ones in any given vaccine. 
> Mercury is only one possibility.
> 
> Mercury is definitely poisonous, and neurotoxic. That does not mean 
> that it is the main problem.
> 
> On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Dee wrote:
> 
> > I didn't think it said this at all. I thought it didn't dismiss this 
> > but that the whole vaccine thing needed to be more thoroughly 
> > researched, with *all* its components.  Being that mercury is a 
> > neurotoxin I still think that the most likely cause.  Have you seen 
> > the Mercola video where it shows mercury destroying nerve cells in a 
> > slug?  Dee
> >  
> > ---Original Message---
> >  
> > From: Clayton Family
> > Date: 06/15/08 16:17:58
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
> >  
> > The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems.
> >  
> > On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote:
> >  
> 
> 
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RE: CS>Nashville, TN

[Mary Ellen Murphy]

Yes, I was very ill on thme Iv and oral and my doctor took me off of them.
Don't thik I go your first e-mail sorry.  My brain does not work to good.  I
am in real bad shape.

I hafe tried many protocols and not getting better.  I just don't know where
to turn.  Have you taken the colloidal silver

Mary Ellen

 

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From: marmar...@bellsouth.net [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:44 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Nashville, TN

 

No.  But I was bitten by a Lyme tick about six weeks ago, and did go to the
doctor for antibiotics which I am now in the process of taking.  I did post
a reply to you onlist about this.  I have a paper that my doctor gave me
about Lyme disease, and it states that oral antibiotics are effective in the
early stage -- late-stage Lyme requires intravenous antibiotics.  Have you
been to a doctor?  Have intravenous antibiotics been suggested?  MA  

 

 

-- Original message from "Mary Ellen Murphy"
: -- 




Do you have Lyme Disease.  I am not doing well with this and all the
different protocols that don't seem to work

 


  _  


From: marmar...@bellsouth.net [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:22 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

 

Mary Ellen -- I'm about two hours west of there, in the Paducah KY area.  ??
MA

 

 

-- Original message from "Mary Ellen Murphy"
: -- 


> Is there anyone who lives in the Nashville, TN area. Please let me know 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:00 PM 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial 
> 
> I am in the camp of Low Voltage Ionic silver myself. Yes, one atom is 
> as small as one can get. I have a homemade set up using 9 volt 
> batteries, wires, pure silver wires and a current limiter 
> (potentiometer). It is low tech! , but m akes good silver. If you want 
> one that turns itself off, the silverpuppy is one that I have heard 
> alot of good about, it is inexpensive, and a real workhor! se. 
> 
> www.silverpuppy.com 
> 
> If you want to make one yourself, you might want to get a COM 100 meter 
> to check the quality of your distilled water before you start. 
> 
> kathryn 
> 
> On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make 
> > colloidal 
> > silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not 
> > and a 
> > lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom 
> > is a 
> > as small as you can get and that's what they all do. 
> > 
> > Thanks 
> > Mary Ellen 
> 
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Re: CS>Nashville, TN

[marmar845]

No.  But I was bitten by a Lyme tick about six weeks ago, and did go to the doctor for antibiotics which I am now in the process of taking.  I did post a reply to you onlist about this.  I have a paper that my doctor gave me about Lyme disease, and it states that oral antibiotics are effective in the early stage -- late-stage Lyme requires intravenous antibiotics.  Have you been to a doctor?  Have intravenous antibiotics been suggested?  MA  
 
 
-- Original message from "Mary Ellen Murphy" : -- 








Do you have Lyme Disease.  I am not doing well with this and all the different protocols that don’t seem to work
 




From: marmar...@bellsouth.net [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:22 PMTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
 

Mary Ellen -- I'm about two hours west of there, in the Paducah KY area.  ??  MA

 

 

-- Original message from "Mary Ellen Murphy" : -- > Is there anyone who lives in the Nashville, TN area. Please let me know > > -Original Message- > From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:00 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial > > I am in the camp of Low Voltage Ionic silver myself. Yes, one atom is > as small as one can get. I have a homemade set up using 9 volt > batteries, wires, pure silver wires and a current limiter > (potentiometer). It is low tech, but m
akes good silver. If you want > one that turns itself off, the silverpuppy is one that I have heard > alot of good about, it is inexpensive, and a real workhor! se. > > www.silverpuppy.com > > If you want to make one yourself, you might want to get a COM 100 meter > to check the quality of your distilled water before you start. > > kathryn > > On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: > > > > > Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make > > colloidal > > silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not > > and a > > lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom > > is a > > as small as you can get and that's what they all do. > > > > Thanks > > Mary Ellen > > > -- > The Silver List is a
 moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your! messag e to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > 

CS>Nashville, TN

[Mary Ellen Murphy]

Do you have Lyme Disease.  I am not doing well with this and all the
different protocols that don't seem to work

 

  _  

From: marmar...@bellsouth.net [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:22 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

 

Mary Ellen -- I'm about two hours west of there, in the Paducah KY area.  ??
MA

 

 

-- Original message from "Mary Ellen Murphy"
: -- 


> Is there anyone who lives in the Nashville, TN area. Please let me know 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:00 PM 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial 
> 
> I am in the camp of Low Voltage Ionic silver myself. Yes, one atom is 
> as small as one can get. I have a homemade set up using 9 volt 
> batteries, wires, pure silver wires and a current limiter 
> (potentiometer). It is low tech, but makes good silver. If you want 
> one that turns itself off, the silverpuppy is one that I have heard 
> alot of good about, it is inexpensive, and a real workhor! se. 
> 
> www.silverpuppy.com 
> 
> If you want to make one yourself, you might want to get a COM 100 meter 
> to check the quality of your distilled water before you start. 
> 
> kathryn 
> 
> On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make 
> > colloidal 
> > silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not 
> > and a 
> > lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom 
> > is a 
> > as small as you can get and that's what they all do. 
> > 
> > Thanks 
> > Mary Ellen 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Hydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners

[Day Sutton]

interesting indeed.  I have been brushing my teeth by taking a sip of H2O2,
then brushing.  It's keeping my gums from infection, and I don't notice
anything elsebeen doing this for about 2 years..

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Dee  wrote:

>Very interesting.  Dee
>
>  *---Original Message---*
>
>  *From:* Rowena 
> *Date:* 15/06/2008 17:30:07
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* CS>Hydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners
>
>
> I've received a copy of the voiceanalysis newsletter
> www.VoiceBio.com/products.php 
> I can't give you a link to the information, as the newsletter is sent out,
> not put on the site.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information4U
>
> This is the item I thought would be interesting to list members here:
>
>



-- 
Day Sutton
day.sut...@gmail.com

RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[marmar845]

Mary Ellen -- I'm about two hours west of there, in the Paducah KY area.  ??  MA
 
 
-- Original message from "Mary Ellen Murphy" : -- > Is there anyone who lives in the Nashville, TN area. Please let me know > > -Original Message- > From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:00 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial > > I am in the camp of Low Voltage Ionic silver myself. Yes, one atom is > as small as one can get. I have a homemade set up using 9 volt > batteries, wires, pure silver wires and a current limiter > (potentiometer). It is low tech, but makes good silver. If you want > one that turns itself off, the silverpuppy is one that I have heard > alot of good about, it is inexpensive, and a real workhorse. > > www.silverpuppy.com > > If you want to make one yourself, you might want to get a COM 100 meter > to check the quality of your distilled water before you start. > > kathryn > > On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: > > > > > Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make > > colloidal > > silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not > > and a > > lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom > > is a > > as small as you can get and that's what they all do. > > > > Thanks > > Mary Ellen > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your messag
e to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > 

RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Mary Ellen Murphy]

Is there anyone who lives in the Nashville, TN area.  Please let me know

-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:00 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

I am in the camp of Low Voltage Ionic silver myself. Yes, one atom is 
as small as one can get. I have a homemade set up using 9 volt 
batteries, wires, pure silver wires and a current limiter 
(potentiometer). It is low tech, but makes good silver.  If you want 
one that turns itself off, the silverpuppy is one that I have heard 
alot of good about, it is inexpensive, and a real workhorse.

www.silverpuppy.com

If you want to make one yourself, you might want to get a COM 100 meter 
to check the quality of your distilled water before you start.

kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:

>
> Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make 
> colloidal
> silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not 
> and a
> lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom 
> is a
> as small as you can get and that's what they all do.
>
> Thanks
> Mary Ellen


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Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Clayton Family]

I am in the camp of Low Voltage Ionic silver myself. Yes, one atom is 
as small as one can get. I have a homemade set up using 9 volt 
batteries, wires, pure silver wires and a current limiter 
(potentiometer). It is low tech, but makes good silver.  If you want 
one that turns itself off, the silverpuppy is one that I have heard 
alot of good about, it is inexpensive, and a real workhorse.


www.silverpuppy.com

If you want to make one yourself, you might want to get a COM 100 meter 
to check the quality of your distilled water before you start.


kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:



Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make 
colloidal
silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not 
and a
lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom 
is a

as small as you can get and that's what they all do.

Thanks
Mary Ellen



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Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.

[Clayton Family]

there was a very good study looking at the mercury connection, and it 
was ruled out. There are people that have reactions to the thimerosol 
(mercury) in the vaccines, but that is not necessarily the same thing. 
There are a whole ton of things that are poisonous to the nervous 
system, and there may be several different ones in any given vaccine. 
Mercury is only one possibility.


Mercury is definitely poisonous, and neurotoxic. That does not mean 
that it is the main problem.


On Jun 15, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Dee wrote:

I didn't think it said this at all. I thought it didn't dismiss this 
but that the whole vaccine thing needed to be more thoroughly 
researched, with *all* its components.  Being that mercury is a 
neurotoxin I still think that the most likely cause.  Have you seen 
the Mercola video where it shows mercury destroying nerve cells in a 
slug?  Dee

 
---Original Message---
 
From: Clayton Family
Date: 06/15/08 16:17:58
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
 
The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems.
 
On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote:
 



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CS>Pain and depression with Lyme

[Mary Ellen Murphy]

I am in sever back pain and suicidal depression.  Is this part of lyme.  I
am not sure I can hang on and continue all this protocol.  It is just to
much to do by yourself.
Mary ellen 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Dear Mike:

I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me
to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol got bitten
by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link  

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .

Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14
years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was
90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.  

During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage,
her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
should only be done with well made colloidal silver 

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 

containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
MesoSilver. 

Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
your CS group? 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com  

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue,
> brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of this.  This
is
> a
>  miserable existence.
>
>   
All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the 
top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay 
awake, and later arthritis.

Marshall
> Mary Ellen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave
>  [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To:
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen:
>I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
>  named it.
> Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
>  put 
> a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that 
> still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog.
>
>Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it 
> (the lyme).
> I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
>  two 16 
> ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small
>  tablespoon 
> full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles 
> with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle 
> all
>  at once.
> At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking
>  it at 
> the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it
>  killed me
> it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this 
> regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of 
> well
>  being.
>
> The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage
>  wasn't 
> over.
>
> Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took
>  blood for 
> testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two
>  bands, after 
> the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back
>  negative.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
>   
>> I am a new member.  I am
>> 
>  trying to find out info about Lyme and how to use
>   
>> the silver, with
>> 
>  diatamatious earth to get rid of Lyme
>   
>>  
>>
>> I have also gotten info about the
>> 
>  terminator zapper.  Has anyone had
> success
>   
>> using these products to get
>> 
>  rid of Lyme.
>   
>>  
>>
>> I am presently taking the cumanda and burber
>> 
>  protocol.
>   
>>  
>>
>> How do you read arhives with this site.  I was
>> 
>  referred by Wolfcreek,
>   
>> suppliers of diatamaitous earth
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: oha...@juno.com
>> 
>  [mailto:oha...@juno.com] 
>   
>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:06 PM
>> To:
>> 
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
>   
>> Subject: Re: CS>How to use site
>>
>> The site you are in
>> 
>  touch with - silver-list@eskimo.com - the archives
>   
>> are down so all you
>> 
>  have 
>   
>> to do is to pose a question on what you would like information

RE: CS>Vaccines and autism. -- Vets and multi-shots

[Judy Knowlton]

A friend took her English Spaniel to the Vet’s, who gave ALL shots on the
same visit.
The dog became very ill, lethargic, changed personality, I think a blood
disease -- etc.  The animal seemed totally overwhelmed. The Vet said not to
breed her anymore (she’d had only one litter.) Soon after, he told her that
this was becoming a somewhat common problem, and Vets were discussing
dropping the practice of multi-shots at a single visit. Her Vet already has
stopped. (He’s my cat’s doctor too, so I know the truth of that.)
I wonder if this isn’t something that needs to be researched in children.
Judy Down Maine


-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:28 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.

I didn't think it said this at all. I thought it didn't dismiss this but
that the whole vaccine thing needed to be more thoroughly researched, with
*all* its components.  Being that mercury is a neurotoxin I still think that
the most likely cause.  Have you seen the Mercola video where it shows
mercury destroying nerve cells in a slug?  Dee

---Original Message---

From: Clayton Family 
Date: 06/15/08 16:17:58
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.

The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems.

On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote:

CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Mary Ellen Murphy]

Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal
silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a
lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a
as small as you can get and that's what they all do.

Thanks
Mary Ellen 





-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Dear Mike:

I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me
to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol got bitten
by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link  

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .

Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14
years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was
90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.  

During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage,
her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
should only be done with well made colloidal silver 

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 

containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
MesoSilver. 

Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
your CS group? 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com  

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue,
> brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of this.  This
is
> a
>  miserable existence.
>
>   
All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the 
top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay 
awake, and later arthritis.

Marshall
> Mary Ellen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave
>  [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To:
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen:
>I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
>  named it.
> Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
>  put 
> a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that 
> still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog.
>
>Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it 
> (the lyme).
> I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
>  two 16 
> ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small
>  tablespoon 
> full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles 
> with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle 
> all
>  at once.
> At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking
>  it at 
> the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it
>  killed me
> it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this 
> regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of 
> well
>  being.
>
> The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage
>  wasn't 
> over.
>
> Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took
>  blood for 
> testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two
>  bands, after 
> the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back
>  negative.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
>   
>> I am a new member.  I am
>> 
>  trying to find out info about Lyme and how to use
>   
>> the silver, with
>> 
>  diatamatious earth to get rid of Lyme
>   
>>  
>>
>> I have also gotten info about the
>> 
>  terminator zapper.  Has anyone had
> success
>   
>> using these products to get
>> 
>  rid of Lyme.
>   
>>  
>>
>> I am presently taking the cumanda and burber
>> 
>  protocol.
>   
>>  
>>
>> How do you read arhives with this site.  I was
>> 
>  referred by Wolfcreek,
>   
>> suppliers of diatamaitous earth
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: oha...@juno.com
>> 
>  [mailto:oha...@juno.com] 
>   
>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:06 PM
>> To:
>> 
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
>   
>> Subject: Re: CS>How to use site
>>
>> The site you are in
>> 
>  touch with - silver-list@eskimo.com - the archi

RE: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

[Mary Ellen Murphy]

What is the Doup Plus that Carol used..

-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Dear Mike:

I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me
to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol got bitten
by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link  

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .

Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14
years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was
90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.  

During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage,
her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
should only be done with well made colloidal silver 

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 

containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
MesoSilver. 

Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
your CS group? 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com  

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue,
> brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of this.  This
is
> a
>  miserable existence.
>
>   
All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the 
top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay 
awake, and later arthritis.

Marshall
> Mary Ellen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave
>  [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To:
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen:
>I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
>  named it.
> Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
>  put 
> a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that 
> still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog.
>
>Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it 
> (the lyme).
> I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
>  two 16 
> ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small
>  tablespoon 
> full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles 
> with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle 
> all
>  at once.
> At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking
>  it at 
> the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it
>  killed me
> it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this 
> regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of 
> well
>  being.
>
> The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage
>  wasn't 
> over.
>
> Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took
>  blood for 
> testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two
>  bands, after 
> the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back
>  negative.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
>   
>> I am a new member.  I am
>> 
>  trying to find out info about Lyme and how to use
>   
>> the silver, with
>> 
>  diatamatious earth to get rid of Lyme
>   
>>  
>>
>> I have also gotten info about the
>> 
>  terminator zapper.  Has anyone had
> success
>   
>> using these products to get
>> 
>  rid of Lyme.
>   
>>  
>>
>> I am presently taking the cumanda and burber
>> 
>  protocol.
>   
>>  
>>
>> How do you read arhives with this site.  I was
>> 
>  referred by Wolfcreek,
>   
>> suppliers of diatamaitous earth
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: oha...@juno.com
>> 
>  [mailto:oha...@juno.com] 
>   
>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:06 PM
>> To:
>> 
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
>   
>> Subject: Re: CS>How to use site
>>
>> The site you are in
>> 
>  touch with - silver-list@eskimo.com - the archives
>   
>> are down so all you
>> 
>  have 
>   
>> to do is to pose a question on what you would like information on
>> 
>  and
>   
>> there are many of us 
>> here ready to assist - 
>> Regards
>> Sandee
>>
>> Peace is easy . . . It is a mind set
>> w

Re: CS>Hydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners

[Dee]

Very interesting.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Rowena
Date: 15/06/2008 17:30:07
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Hydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners
 
 
I've received a copy of the voiceanalysis newsletter  www.VoiceBio
com/products.php
I can't give you a link to the information, as the newsletter is sent out,
not put on the site.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information4U
 
This is the item I thought would be interesting to list members here:
 

CS>Hydrogen Peroxide, teeth, brighteners

[Rowena]

I've received a copy of the voiceanalysis newsletter  
www.VoiceBio.com/products.php
I can't give you a link to the information, as the newsletter is sent out, not 
put on the site.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information4U

This is the item I thought would be interesting to list members here:

 I learned something very fascinating this week.  I had a consultation with a 
young lady who had nutritional microscopy, which is looking at a sample of 
blood under a microscope immediately after it is taken from the finger.  I was 
looking at the video of her test and noticed that she had large globules of 
what looked like oxygen drops in her blood.  The significance of this is the 
fact that these "globules" would impair the flow of red blood cells in the body 
and may, in fact, lead to possible lung, heart and other oxygen related 
tissues.  I asked her if she was taking a source of oxygen in the form of 
hydrogen peroxide, which is common for someone attempting to get additional 
oxygen in the body.  Much to my surprise, she was not doing that but I knew she 
was doing something.  Finally, she told me that she was using a mouthwash that 
had hydrogen peroxide as a whitener.  
   
  I would suggest to all of you reading this not to use any teeth brighteners 
that contain hydrogen peroxide.
   
  Afterwards, I was talking to a patient who is also a respiratory therapist.  
She was surprised and taken aback of the finding I suggested due to the 
potential for lung or respiratory challenges.  As a matter of fact, I have 
additionally read articles suggesting that brighteners may also be taking the 
enamel off your teeth.  I would strongly encourage you not to use any 
brighteners.  I have found from experience that one of the leading causes of 
yellow teeth is a low thyroid.   Do you have cold hands and feet?  Are you 
fatigued?  Do you wake with a headache that wears off as the day goes on; 
losing the outer portion of your eyebrows?  These are all signs to me that your 
thyroid may not be up to par.  
www.VoiceBio.com/products.php for our colloidal iodine, EnerG-Iodine.

Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.

[Dee]

I didn't think it said this at all. I thought it didn't dismiss this but
that the whole vaccine thing needed to be more thoroughly researched, with
*all* its components.  Being that mercury is a neurotoxin I still think that
the most likely cause.  Have you seen the Mercola video where it shows
mercury destroying nerve cells in a slug?  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Clayton Family
Date: 06/15/08 16:17:58
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.
 
The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems.
 
On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote:
 

FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Mike:

I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me
to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol got bitten
by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link  

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .

Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14
years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was
90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.  

During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage,
her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
should only be done with well made colloidal silver 

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 

containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
MesoSilver. 

Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
your CS group? 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com  

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue,
> brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of this.  This
is
> a
>  miserable existence.
>
>   
All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the 
top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay 
awake, and later arthritis.

Marshall
> Mary Ellen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave
>  [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To:
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen:
>I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
>  named it.
> Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
>  put 
> a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that 
> still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog.
>
>Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it 
> (the lyme).
> I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
>  two 16 
> ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small
>  tablespoon 
> full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles 
> with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle 
> all
>  at once.
> At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking
>  it at 
> the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it
>  killed me
> it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this 
> regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of 
> well
>  being.
>
> The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage
>  wasn't 
> over.
>
> Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took
>  blood for 
> testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two
>  bands, after 
> the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back
>  negative.
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Re: CS>Vaccines and autism.

[Clayton Family]

The point was that it is not the mercury that is causing the problems.

On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:21 AM, bbanever wrote:


This one's for Ode,

INFANT  PRIMATES GIVEN VACCINES ON U.S. CHILDREN'S IMMUNIZATION 
SCHEDULE

DEVELOP  BEHAVIORAL SYMPTOMS OF AUTISM
_http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/press051908.php_
(http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/press051908.php)




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CS>Vaccines and autism.

[bbanever]

This one's for Ode,

INFANT  PRIMATES GIVEN VACCINES ON U.S. CHILDREN'S IMMUNIZATION SCHEDULE
DEVELOP  BEHAVIORAL SYMPTOMS OF AUTISM
_http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/press051908.php_
(http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/press051908.php)


GROUNDBREAKING RESEARCH  PROVIDES EVEN MORE SCIENCE SUPPORTING THE THEORY
THAT VACCINES CAN AND DO CAUSE  AUTISM

Nixa, MO - A primate model for autism using the U.S. children's
immunization schedule was unveiled at the International Meeting For Autism 
Research
(IMFAR) this weekend. The research underscores the critical need for 
studies into

vaccine safety and the immune and mitochondrial dysfunction of  autistic
children. The National Autism Association (NAA) questions why the 
government hasn'

t undertaken these vital studies and why researchers have had to  depend on
private money to perform this critical science that will surely impact  the
health of millions of children worldwide.

While the authors and  organizations associated with this study are
withholding comment until  publication, University of Pittsburgh's Dr. Laura 
Hewitson,

Ph.D., described at  the IMFAR meeting how vaccinated animals, when compared
to unvaccinated animals,  showed significant neurodevelopmental deficits and 
"

significant associations  between specific aberrant social and non-social
behaviors, isotope binding, and  vaccine exposure."

Researchers also reported at the scientific meeting  that "vaccinated 
animals
exhibited progressively severe chronic active  inflammation whereas 
unexposed

animals did not" and found "many significant  differences in the GI tissue
gene expression profiles between vaccinated and  unvaccinated animals."
Gastrointestinal issues are a common symptom of children  with regressive 
autism.


NAA calls for the NIH to conduct large scale,  non-epidemiological studies
into the biomedical symptoms surrounding young  children and all vaccines,
including those containing the mercury-based  preservative thimerosal and 
other

additives like aluminum.

This request  for further research echoes that of Dr. Bernadine Healy, 
Former

NIH Director in  a CBS interview earlier this week. "I think public health
officials have been  too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as 'irrational,'
without sufficient studies  of causation... without studying the population 
that got
sick," Healy said. "I  have not seen major studies that focus on 300 kids 
who

got autistic symptoms  within a period of a few weeks of the vaccines."

Recently the  government's vaccine court conceded the case of Hannah Poling,
admitting that  vaccines triggered her regression into autism by 
exacerbating

mitochondrial  dysfunction. "The recent Poling case and this new research
provide further  evidence that the CDC has fallen down on their job to 
protect

children from  harm. The biomedical research to date suggests that parental
reports of  regression following vaccination is not only plausible, but 
likely in

certain  individuals," said Scott Bono, NAA Chairman. "To date, the CDC has
conducted no  safety testing on the possible harmful effects of 
simultaneously

administering  multiple vaccines to infants, and has steadfastly refused to
state a preference  for mercury-free vaccines to be given to children and 
pregnant

women. It's time  for HHS and Congress to step in and take vaccine safety
away from the  CDC."

On June 4th, parents of vaccine-injured children will rally for  toxin-free
immunizations in Washington, DC. For more information visit
_www.nationalautism.org_ (http://www.nationalautism.org/) .
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Dental Mercury VictoryFDA MUST classify fillings





How are people screwing up your genes?


What I was suggesting was the value and wisdom of preventing already 
screwed up genes from being passed down.


Ode






And I don't think *anyone* has the right to screw up my genes without my 
knowledge and consent. But it is being done, on purpose anyway. Sometimes 
I wonder why I bother voting, except maybe to be heard from.


kathryn

On Jun 13, 2



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CS>Bottles and things

[Dee]

Just to say that your suggestion of using some of the last batch to start the 
next one, worked well Sol, so thanks for that.  It took two hours off the time. 
 Also just to update on the weird bottle thing; I rinsed out the offending 
bottle (the one which turned the CS pale greeny gold) I boiled it in DW (thanks 
Ode) and hey presto, the next lot I put in it is absolutely fine!  I'm thinking 
it may have been a teeny bit of detergent or something that got left, although 
I did rinse with DW but maybe not thoroughly enough.  Dee 


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Re: CS>Dental Mercury Victory....FDA MUST classify fillings

[Dee]

The CS or the pot?  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Ode Coyote
Date: 06/14/08 18:39:34
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Dental Mercury VictoryFDA MUST classify fillings
 
 
Best decongestant for de-strangling the lungs I've ever found.
 
 
 
Ode