Re: CSConcensus of opinion
Diamond brand 3% H2O2 doesn't have additives. It's not likely any official will tell you it's OK to ingest a corrosive substance unless it's packaged as an approved treatment or product. Food Grade just means that the product meets standards for use *on* food or food preparation surfaces [not *as* food] and doesn't mean there are no additives so long as any additives are approved under the definitions of food grade. If there are additives it will say so on the label but might not identify what they are, otherwise it will say water, H2O2 It also doesn't mean that any other grade doesn't meet those standards. Food grade does, any other grade might...and probably does. After all... H2o2 ain't rocket science. [Oops, yes it is. Spray some 100% on silver and see what happens. Makes a pretty good thruster. ] Ode At 08:37 AM 9/25/2008 -0600, you wrote: 6% is used for bleaching hair. I am at an understanding it is not food grade and has stabilizers. Neville wrote: Looking for information regarding h2o2. I have Hydrogen Peroxide 20 volume 6% w/v in a brown glass bottle bought over the counter at a pharmacy. Although there is nothing printed on the bottle regarding 'stabilisers' having been added, and having an expiry date of 2010 printed on the lable, I am wondering if this product is suitable, in diluted form, to be used in conjunction with CS for ingestion purposes. I am aware that 'Food Grade' is the catch phrase but wonder if those two words would, in fact, appear on a bottle or if this product can be interpreted as 'Food Grade'. I also have a 3% solution which is in a plastic bottle but states that stabilisers have been added, (I am in no way thinking of ingesting this product though, so don't fret there, external use only), but as the 6% has nothing stated on it regarding stabilisers I was wondering if this one would be considered 'Food Grade'. As a 'throw away' question, I have asked several pharmacies if their product can be ingested and get different answers from each one, although I would never consider ingesting the 3% one anyway, at any time. Just another instance of a lack of credible information one can rely on. Perhaps someone could tell me how they define 'Food Grade', ie; is 'Food Grade' actually stated on the label? Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:23 PM
Re: CS[FW]Promising Study on Obesity
Brooks and list: I received your posting yesterday afternoon . Bernadette - Original Message - From: Brooks Bradley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: CS[FW]Promising Study on Obesity If list members have, already, received this I do humbly apologize. However, I sent this posting about 1:00 pm today and have failed to see it appear on the list. While I do not suffer ego self-indulgences it is with some effort that I compose postings these days. If anyone received my earlier posting...or this one, a one-liner confirming such would be appreciated. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [FW]Promising Study on Obesity Date : Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:43:46 -0400 (EDT) From : Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com To : bradlebro...@gmail.com -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Promising Study on Obesity Date : Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:04:28 -0400 (EDT) From : Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com To : silver-list@eskimo.com Recently, prompted by information encountered in Dr. Sharon Moalem's splendid book entitled Survival of the Sickest (he covers everything from the evolution of diabetes, to the bubonic plague), we prosecuted a limitedbut revealing, investigation relating to obesity in children. Dr. Moalem's premise revolved around data originating from Duke University scientists. What they had discovered was, to usseminal in naturean occurrence both fascinating and revealing-relating to the effects of the DIET and SUPPLEMENTATION, by the prospective mother both before and during the earliest stages of pregnancy. To wit: It was discovered that a group of mice, specifically bred to carry a gene called AGOUTI, which gives them their characteristic pale coat and tendency toward obesityreliably yielded off-spring which were FAT AND YELLOW. The Duke scientists separated a population of, female Agouti mice into two groups---one control and one MODIFIED (but only to the extent of the diet. The Controls were fed a normal dietthey yielded the expected FAT YELLOW babies. The other group received similar prenatal care...with one exception---they were given vitamin supplements (actually, a combination of compounds especially rich in B12, folic acid, betaine and choline). The results were, in shortSTARTLING. Somehow, the Agouti gene had been TURNED OFFthe fat yellow mice had produced the THIN BROWN MICE. The Agouti gene in the thin brown mice was just were it was supposed to bebut had, somehow been TURNED OFF. CHEMICALS HAD ATTACHED TO THE GENE AND SUPPRESSED ITS INSTRUCTIONS. This process is called methylation. Our experiments tended to CONFIRM the results obtained by the Duke University research team. These results have us VERY excited, because they promise to offer excellent support to a means of effecting conditions enabling direct MODIFICATION of unwanted genetic instructionsin certain conditions. These studies are based upon a research field known as Epigenetics. I will not bore you with further diatribe on this matter. However, we feel that this tends to confirm the POWERFUL influence of prenatal nutrition on the health parameters of newborns.and indications that such continues on into their later lives. I would be remiss if I did not encourage the more interested of list members, to obtain a copy of Dr. Moalem's book--I guarantee it to be one of the MOST interesting and informative you will ever read. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. We have a great interest in the possible effects of adult stem cell protocol on currently-expressing cases of morbid obesity (together with many other serious insults, such as coronary heart disease/damage).in adults of all ages. Adult stem cell protocols do not have ANY of the objectionable moral arguments put forward against the use of fetal cell extraction.additionally, all stem cells are derived from the hostand therefore, do not present ANY form of rejection considerations. Note: Adult stem cell protocols ARE NOT, presently, legal in the U.S..except in veterinary medicine (the horses and other large animals are benefiting in astounding ways from this new science. FDA says HUMANS will have to wait until some future era in earth's history. Meanwhile, if someone has a dear family member (and about 40k to 50k dollars) there are excellent clinics in Thailand---and other countries---which are achieving powerful results (often---IN DAYS)..among persons diagnosed as terminally hopeless for addressing cardio-vascular damage. I AM NOT putting forward recommendations of any type.for direct treatment. My recommendations are for persons involved in
Re: CS[FW]Promising Study on Obesity
I got it fine Brooks and it is 1.10pm here in the UK. dee Brooks Bradley wrote: If list members have, already, received this I do humbly apologize. However, I sent this posting about 1:00 pm today and have failed to see it appear on the list. While I do not suffer ego self-indulgences it is with some effort that I compose postings these days. If anyone received my earlier posting...or this one, a one-liner confirming such would be appreciated. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSArmour
I was able to get a refill prescription of Armour yesterday and did not encounter any problems. Paula
CS OT- Plant and Clarks Collodial Minerals
I thought this interesting enough to share ... 3 weeks ago I was out walking and saw a plant that had pretty flowers so I broke off a section to take to the nursery to identify. When I arrived home the flower part was closed up tight. So I put in in a jar filled with filter water and thought I'd add 1/2 tsp of clarks Collodial Minerals. The flower fell off after a few day, but the leaves are deep green and soft... I replenish the water at 2 weeks an added another 1/2 tsp of minerals. I think it's amazing... I do not have a green thumb and have never had anything live more then a few days. It just sits on the kitchen counter and it will until it passes away or until it can be planted. I think it needs to sprout roots for that... I really know very little about the lives and plants. connie Click here to find Medical Transcription Training programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifev382J7dJHsaVKTgWrnSnYE8Oq8O5sqlvrJzYjqbi6GpqQ/
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
Can't you just look at the label? All the H2O2 I have seen has the stabilizers listed on the label. Marshall Norton, Steve wrote: Neville, You can find 3% H2O2 in stores without stabilizers but usually in discount stores where there is a high turnover of the Hydrogen Peroxide so the stabilizers are not necessary. I have heard that Wal Mart carries one without stabilizers. Dollar Tree carries Assured brand without stabilizers and I have used that myself. Here is a test for stabilizers but I have not used it: There is a simple way to see if Hydrogen Peroxide contains stabilizers: Pour 1/2 cap of hydrogen peroxide in a glass of water. If the color has yellow (or other off colors), it has a stabilizer. It is best to set it out in the sun where it is easier to see. If the H202 remains colorless when mixed in a glass of water, it usually does not have a stabilizer. Almost all H2O2 sold in drug stores will have stabilizers, actually to discourage people to use them internally. So you can use this as a way to compare them. Basically, H2O2 poured into a clean glass and left out in a sun covered by a dish should not have air bubbles. If it does, there are metal contaminants. If you are asking for trouble, a drop of ammonia solution in H2O2 mixed in water will cause a rapid air bubble generation. It is more unstable if it has stabilizers. You can try the experiment and compare the results. The test for this is not perfect one, but the key is the color, even when you add just a small amount of water in direct sunlight. Also, a good quality H2O2 doesn't get small bubbles during storage. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:20 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion Hairdresser I asked uses 12% but I wouldn't touch it with a 40 foot barge pole. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCall your reps. and stop the bailout
Woopsie! Wrong list, Marshall! Mike D. da list owner guy... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCall your reps. and stop the bailout
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20862.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozM2n4Ylq34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkFxXUUQP3g This is from Ron Paul or his economic advisors, the ONLY member of congress who has even one ounce of sense, and the guts to stand up to the big money, wall street and the fed. I will probably get monitored for this, with some claiming this is political. It is NOT political, both political parties are trying to ram this down our throats, This affects us all, we will all be robbed. Call your representative and let them know you will not vote for them if they vote for this bailout. The government and fed caused it, and the only thing they can do is what governments always do, make it worse. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS oddities
It was probably about to shut off when you stopped it. ode At 09:54 PM 9/25/2008 +0100, you wrote: Hi all, just a couple of little oddies I've just made. One, I made a batch using a seed batch which remained perfectly clear as I still have some left (of the seed batch). The batch turned yellow after a few days. This was nothing to do with the plastic bottles as I hadn't transferred it yet and it was still in the brewing jar where I have *never* had a yellow batch. The second thing is I made a batch from scratch but after nine and a half hours, it still hadn't shut off. I measured this and it reads eight which is what it reads usually after eight hours. I presume this means around 16ppm. Any idea why it should have taken so long and not shut off even though it had reached the 'normal' ppm? Thanks in advance. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:23 PM
Re: CSCS oddities
probably Ode, or maybe the electrodes have managed to get further apart. They did look a bit further apart but I thought it may just be the distortion caused by the jar. dee Ode Coyote wrote: It was probably about to shut off when you stopped it. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
My best recall is that Reagent grade is 35% concentration, and was the most pure for use in chemical lab work. Concentration levels over 35% were considered unstable but had some uses such as missile power generators and rocket fuel oxidizer. - Original Message - From: Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion - Original Message - From: James McCourt, Ph.D. dr...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion [Also consider REAGENT grade.] This would be fairly high percentage you are talking about here though wouldn't it? My research suggests there is your 'plain' HP, (3% or 6% as sold OTC), 'up to and including 35% Food Grade' HP, (which I can't get pharmacists to co-operate with in my enquiries), and then it goes into the higher percentages over 35%, eg; 70%, 90% etc, which comes into the 'Reagent' terminology as it starts to get somewhat 'unstable' above 35%, (if one doesn't know what one is doing that is)...would I be correct in saying anything above 35% would fall into the 'Reagent' catagory...Yes? Perhaps the above descriptions could be a simple dialect thing regarding 'definition' or 'terminology' and not a standard form of global definition with regard to Hydrogen Peroxide. Thanks...Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
On other lists that I'm on people refuse to believe the label if no stabilizers are listed. It's irrational. I mean, even with stabilizers, the common dose would be about a half teaspoon. God, I eat more dirt than that! Chuck de ja fu - The feeling that somewhere, somehow you've been hit in the head like this before. On 9/26/2008 11:08:48 AM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Can't you just look at the label? All the H2O2 I have seen has the stabilizers listed on the label. Marshall No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:23 PM
Re: CS[FW]Promising Study on Obesity
I got it too thanks Brooks. Very interesting so will be keeping a lookout for the book. Cheers, Roger Rotorua, New Zealand. Brooks Bradley wrote: If list members have, already, received this I do humbly apologize. However, I sent this posting about 1:00 pm today and have failed to see it appear on the list. While I do not suffer ego self-indulgences it is with some effort that I compose postings these days. If anyone received my earlier posting...or this one, a one-liner confirming such would be appreciated. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
And one more reminder is in order: There was a quite scary report from Jason Eaton of an acquaintance of his that nearly killed himself by inhaling a *VERY* dilute hydrogen peroxide solution from a nebulizer. What did it? HE WAS A SMOKER!! The peroxide mobilized a near fatal dose of nicotine, released from his lung tissues into the bloodstream, that nearly sent him into shock. I would hope that somebody with relatively clean lungs would not be in that kind of danger, but do research the subject thoroughly before inhaling, please? Thanks, I'll crawl back in my hole now! grin Mike D. Just as an FYI I meant to sent you a link to a person who has been inhaling off the shelf HP for years with no problem. I am not right now able to provide the link but you could probably find it with Google. One more test you could do is combine the HP and CS and look for a light blue coloring to see if any stabilizers give you a silver salt. - Steve [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS for pets
I believe that was Marshall, Steve. Also, there's the CS Pets list on Yahoo. Do you have the address for that, Marshall? Mike D. Mike, Is it you that is looking for info on CS benefiting pets? It didn't come to mind earlier but there is a Yahoo group on Oleandersoup for pets. There is also one for people of which I am a member. While it is primarily about using oleander to fight cancer, as with this group the members have broad knowledge and experiences. CS is commonly in use by that group and you might be able to get good info from them if you ask. - Steve N [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
Thanks for that info, Mike. I was considering suggestiing nebulizing CS and HP to a relative who has a lung condition and is also a smoker. Do you know if CS alone could cause that? - Steve N Woah! Good timing, then, eh? I don't *know* if CS alone would be safe, or at least safer, but that would be my guess. Start very cautiously. One tiny puff, then wait an hour? Dilute your CS with distilled water first? I'm afraid I have no experience with that situation. These are only my tentative suggestions. If anyone does have experience with CS and smokers' lungs, let us know, please? Mike D. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 26 16:09:44 2008 Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion And one more reminder is in order: There was a quite scary report from Jason Eaton of an acquaintance of his that nearly killed himself by inhaling a *VERY* dilute hydrogen peroxide solution from a nebulizer. What did it? HE WAS A SMOKER!! The peroxide mobilized a near fatal dose of nicotine, released from his lung tissues into the bloodstream, that nearly sent him into shock. I would hope that somebody with relatively clean lungs would not be in that kind of danger, but do research the subject thoroughly before inhaling, please? Thanks, I'll crawl back in my hole now! grin Mike D. Just as an FYI I meant to sent you a link to a person who has been inhaling off the shelf HP for years with no problem. I am not right now able to provide the link but you could probably find it with Google. One more test you could do is combine the HP and CS and look for a light blue coloring to see if any stabilizers give you a silver salt. - Steve [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 12:38 AM Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion Can't you just look at the label? All the H2O2 I have seen has the stabilizers listed on the label. Marshall Really, well I have a bottle of 6% Gold Cross HP from bioteck labs in melbourne and it's got jack on the label! Neville -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCall your reps. and stop the bailout
Marshall, WE ARE NOW FACING A NATIONAL CRISIS, PERHAPS EVEN MARTIAL LAW, WE ARE NONE OF US ALONE OR UNAFFECTED BY THIS ISSUE AND ITS OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE. 100% behind your post. CS, even the silver we need to make CS - will be unavailable. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Subject: CSCall your reps. and stop the bailout To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 11:37 AM http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20862.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozM2n4Ylq34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkFxXUUQP3g This is from Ron Paul or his economic advisors, the ONLY member of congress who has even one ounce of sense, and the guts to stand up to the big money, wall street and the fed. I will probably get monitored for this, with some claiming this is political. It is NOT political, both political parties are trying to ram this down our throats, This affects us all, we will all be robbed. Call your representative and let them know you will not vote for them if they vote for this bailout. The government and fed caused it, and the only thing they can do is what governments always do, make it worse. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
Thank You for that Ode. As with all else I read and hear, and what's available in the public domain, in the end I will make my own mind up as I did regarding CS. Jeez, if I believed only half of what I have researched about CS I would be thinking all users needed phsychiatric analysis. I normally do considerable research before deciding on anything anyway. It's a matter of researching and listening and then deciding who knows what, read between the lines, and then make a decision based on that, combined with common sense and logic, (however short I may be on those last two, but who cares anyway, only me). The 3% states contents, (well probably only some anyway), but the 6% states zap. If the day comes and I get cancer I'll be dead anyway but at least I will have the control and die by my own hand and not just follow the 'flock' and letting the establishment pump me full of 'other' chemicals and space invader concoctions. They made two wrong diagnoses with my old man which killed him in the end, I ain't going down that road thanks very much. I'll live by the sword and die by the sword but at least the sword will be in my hands, not someone elses. If anyone is going to kill me, then it will be me. Guess it's my rebelious nature, I blame my convict ancestry for that.g Yeah, I know about the 'rocket fuel' also. g I'm getting back to Steve with his 'test' he mentioned a little later. Thanks and Cheers...Neville. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion Diamond brand 3% H2O2 doesn't have additives. It's not likely any official will tell you it's OK to ingest a corrosive substance unless it's packaged as an approved treatment or product. Food Grade just means that the product meets standards for use *on* food or food preparation surfaces [not *as* food] and doesn't mean there are no additives so long as any additives are approved under the definitions of food grade. If there are additives it will say so on the label but might not identify what they are, otherwise it will say water, H2O2 It also doesn't mean that any other grade doesn't meet those standards. Food grade does, any other grade might...and probably does. After all... H2o2 ain't rocket science. [Oops, yes it is. Spray some 100% on silver and see what happens. Makes a pretty good thruster. ] Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
Hi James, Yeah, I did some 'hunting' for info on HP and there are several 'grades' according to use, eg; 3% etc as sold OTC for wounds etc, then there is 'technical' which is used for circuit boards and electronics etc, then there is 35% 'Food Grade' which is used to spray insides of milk cartons and on fruit etc etc, then you come to the 'Reagent' grades which are the higher percentages used for...well used for things I have no interest in anyway. Terminologies may not be exact in the above, and may not be in the correct order but you get my drift. Cheers...Neville. - Original Message - From: James McCourt, Ph.D. dr...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:12 AM Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion My best recall is that Reagent grade is 35% concentration, and was the most pure for use in chemical lab work. Concentration levels over 35% were considered unstable but had some uses such as missile power generators and rocket fuel oxidizer. - Original Message - From: Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion - Original Message - From: James McCourt, Ph.D. dr...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion [Also consider REAGENT grade.] This would be fairly high percentage you are talking about here though wouldn't it? My research suggests there is your 'plain' HP, (3% or 6% as sold OTC), 'up to and including 35% Food Grade' HP, (which I can't get pharmacists to co-operate with in my enquiries), and then it goes into the higher percentages over 35%, eg; 70%, 90% etc, which comes into the 'Reagent' terminology as it starts to get somewhat 'unstable' above 35%, (if one doesn't know what one is doing that is)...would I be correct in saying anything above 35% would fall into the 'Reagent' catagory...Yes? Perhaps the above descriptions could be a simple dialect thing regarding 'definition' or 'terminology' and not a standard form of global definition with regard to Hydrogen Peroxide. Thanks...Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
- Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 5:29 AM Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion Morning Chuck, [I mean, even with stabilizers, the common dose would be about a half teaspoon. God, I eat more dirt than that! Chuck] Yep, I'm slowly coming around to that way of thinking. N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
- Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: RE: CSConcensus of opinion Morning Steve, if you are around anywhere, [Pour 1/2 cap of hydrogen peroxide in a glass of water. If the color has yellow (or other off colors), it has a stabilizer. It is best to set it out in the sun where it is easier to see. Basically, H2O2 poured into a clean glass and left out in a sun covered by a dish should not have air bubbles. The test for this is not perfect one, but the key is the color, even when you add just a small amount of water in direct sunlight. Also, a good quality H2O2 doesn't get small bubbles during storage.] Did this yesterday, and overnight, here are my observations: Colour was extremely hard to detect with naked eye, but if I was forced to commit to an answer I would have to say that the 3% remained clear, (no colour change I could detect), and minimal bubbles, (as in 1 or 2 stuck to the glass). 6% had only one tiniest slow stream of miniscule bubbles coming from the bottom of glass rising to the surface. Colourwell as I said if I had to answer I would say this one was perhaps coloured, but by hell it's hard to detect, and I looked and looked, even used various 'backboards' to try to pick up any colour. I think from what replies I have received here, combined with your test, I am realising that the 3% would be OK. When you think about it, that probably makes sense cos it's available anywhere and the risk would be high of kids getting into it by mistake or something and this would not make for good publicity for an OTC product, (this is my reading between the lines here), but of course obligation would be there by appropraite authorities to make the 'non-ingestable' comment on the bottle label just to cover their own backsides. As Chuck said about the 'eating more dirt than that', this sort of answers one of my points I made earlier regarding the small amount used anyway. I do believe I am satisfied! Of course, if you want to reply to my observations I am all ears if the above indicates anything I am unaware of. Seems to me that the 6% would be a 'no go'. On the face of it, stabilisers in the 3% would appear to be less 'potentially' harmful. Cheers...Neville. -Original Message- From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:20 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
Just as an FYI I meant to sent you a link to a person who has been inhaling off the shelf HP for years with no problem. I am not right now able to provide the link but you could probably find it with Google. One more test you could do is combine the HP and CS and look for a light blue coloring to see if any stabilizers give you a silver salt. - Steve - Original Message - From: Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 26 18:38:19 2008 Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: RE: CSConcensus of opinion Morning Steve, if you are around anywhere, [Pour 1/2 cap of hydrogen peroxide in a glass of water. If the color has yellow (or other off colors), it has a stabilizer. It is best to set it out in the sun where it is easier to see. Basically, H2O2 poured into a clean glass and left out in a sun covered by a dish should not have air bubbles. The test for this is not perfect one, but the key is the color, even when you add just a small amount of water in direct sunlight. Also, a good quality H2O2 doesn't get small bubbles during storage.] Did this yesterday, and overnight, here are my observations: Colour was extremely hard to detect with naked eye, but if I was forced to commit to an answer I would have to say that the 3% remained clear, (no colour change I could detect), and minimal bubbles, (as in 1 or 2 stuck to the glass). 6% had only one tiniest slow stream of miniscule bubbles coming from the bottom of glass rising to the surface. Colourwell as I said if I had to answer I would say this one was perhaps coloured, but by hell it's hard to detect, and I looked and looked, even used various 'backboards' to try to pick up any colour. I think from what replies I have received here, combined with your test, I am realising that the 3% would be OK. When you think about it, that probably makes sense cos it's available anywhere and the risk would be high of kids getting into it by mistake or something and this would not make for good publicity for an OTC product, (this is my reading between the lines here), but of course obligation would be there by appropraite authorities to make the 'non-ingestable' comment on the bottle label just to cover their own backsides. As Chuck said about the 'eating more dirt than that', this sort of answers one of my points I made earlier regarding the small amount used anyway. I do believe I am satisfied! Of course, if you want to reply to my observations I am all ears if the above indicates anything I am unaware of. Seems to me that the 6% would be a 'no go'. On the face of it, stabilisers in the 3% would appear to be less 'potentially' harmful. Cheers...Neville. -Original Message- From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:20 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS for pets
Mike, Is it you that is looking for info on CS benefiting pets? It didn't come to mind earlier but there is a Yahoo group on Oleandersoup for pets. There is also one for people of which I am a member. While it is primarily about using oleander to fight cancer, as with this group the members have broad knowledge and experiences. CS is commonly in use by that group and you might be able to get good info from them if you ask. - Steve N
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
Thanks for that info, Mike. I was considering suggestiing nebulizing CS and HP to a relative who has a lung condition and is also a smoker. Do you know if CS alone could cause that? - Steve N - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Sep 26 16:09:44 2008 Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion And one more reminder is in order: There was a quite scary report from Jason Eaton of an acquaintance of his that nearly killed himself by inhaling a *VERY* dilute hydrogen peroxide solution from a nebulizer. What did it? HE WAS A SMOKER!! The peroxide mobilized a near fatal dose of nicotine, released from his lung tissues into the bloodstream, that nearly sent him into shock. I would hope that somebody with relatively clean lungs would not be in that kind of danger, but do research the subject thoroughly before inhaling, please? Thanks, I'll crawl back in my hole now! grin Mike D. Just as an FYI I meant to sent you a link to a person who has been inhaling off the shelf HP for years with no problem. I am not right now able to provide the link but you could probably find it with Google. One more test you could do is combine the HP and CS and look for a light blue coloring to see if any stabilizers give you a silver salt. - Steve [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
- Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion Morning Mike, [And one more reminder is in order: There was a quite scary report from Jason Eaton of an acquaintance of his that nearly killed himself by inhaling a *VERY* dilute hydrogen peroxide solution from a nebulizer. What did it? HE WAS A SMOKER!! The peroxide mobilized a near fatal dose of nicotine, released from his lung tissues into the bloodstream, that nearly sent him into shock. Mike D.] I have an article regarding what you state here, (if I saved it), and I won't give anything away here.excuse me for a moment, cough coughthat's better, g I tried to find where nicotine was the actual cause, or if it was due to the other chemicals contained in smokes. The HP lifts the crud off the lung tissue which apparently allowed it to roam around in the blood stream. I would still like to find if it was directly related, or linked, to nicotine though. I don't think they elaborated on that in the article I read, I think they just made the broad statement regarding 'nicotine poisoning'. Not suggesting it wasn't though you understand, just didn't find enough corroborating evidence in the article. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
- Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: Re: CSConcensus of opinion [If anyone does have experience with CS and smokers' lungs, let us know, please? Mike D.] I'm still waiting to get the flu or something so that I can try inhaling. I try to expose myself to the 'wog' but haven't been able to catch it yet...damn! When, or if, I get the flu I will let you know. Make for interesting scientific stat's and further reseach study regarding CS won't it. N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSmokers Lung, Nebulizing, What is Toxic
Evening Neville, First, it will likely CRASH the list. I changed the subject line ! At 10:34 PM 9/26/2008, you wrote: You guys finally got me attention. First, I think people nebulize too long, no doubt. I have never used H202, I use CS and DMSO. It works wonders in a very short time of nebulizing. I do not do it often. [If anyone does have experience with CS and smokers' lungs, let us know, please? Mike D.] How does one define Smokers Lung ? Many smoke too much and smoke too long. I had lunch with a business associate. I knew he was a physical fitness nut. He does No Holds Barred fighting. After lunch, he said, I have to go out to my car. He came back with a cigarette, and said, I smoke one cigarette per day, One after lunch. I'm still waiting to get the flu or something so that I can try inhaling. Not sure I have ever had the flu in my life. I asked someone how would I feel and how would I know ? I have had so few pains, I barely know how pain feels. In all honesty, I have experienced more pain by running into a fist than anything else. That can hurt, ... really hurt. I try to expose myself to the 'wog' but haven't been able to catch it yet...damn! When, or if, I get the flu I will let you know. I would bet, I can get some flu germs and send them to you. Make for interesting scientific stat's and further reseach study regarding CS won't it. Find others that are sick. That is not hard to do. I allow wasps, honey bees, and fire ants to bite me just to test the immune system. A few bumble bees also. I try to avoid hornets and spiders, but a few times I have failed. Never had a snake bite, but a few have struck at me. I have had very large poison snakes less than 1 foot from my eyes. They were eye level. When you can see their eyes and the forked tongue, . that is too close, yes, too close. Of course you do not know, I grew up in a swamp, raised in a cane break by an old mama lion, and was a licensed swamp guide before I was 15.Some would call that a Swamp Rat, but I was much more than that. I enjoyed guiding doctors, lawyers, and those that thought they were hunters. Yes, I drank the swamp water without any CS or any purifying methods at all. It never made me sick. So, what is toxic and what is not, remains a hard and on going question that will never be answered. Wayne Modern Thinking, Primitive Logic = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS in SHampoo?
Barb, I just use soap nuts to make my own shampoo. Take 4 soap nuts and simmer them in around a quart of water for 30 minutes. I then add some black seed oil and it really does a good job cleaning my hair. Just realize there will be no suds but it cleans just fine. Teri -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSmokers Lung, Nebulizing, What is Toxic
- Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: CSSmokers Lung, Nebulizing, What is Toxic Hi there Wayne, (snipped most your post). [Find others that are sick. That is not hard to do.] Yeah well that's funny, (or maybe not), I have done that, but then like idiots they go and look on the net, find the first article, (which will probably be negative), and then crap themselves and don't use it. What can one say? I don't bother anymore. Now I just get closer to people to see if I can get the wog. [They were eye level. When you can see their eyes and the forked tongue, . that is too close, yes, too close.] LOL, yeah, been there and done that as a kid, most people probably don't realise just how high they can 'prop' or 'stand up'. Frightens the bejeebers out of you though if you don't know they have the capability to do that, or aren't expecting it. N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcensus of opinion
Neville wrote: I'm going to lead with my chin again here and suggest that the miniscule amount of HP used with CS would be so minimal regarding any stabilisers that these stabilisers would be inconsequential to health anywayyes? That is my opinion. Plus I researched and found a site that listed the contaminants in food grade 35% peroxide. So the stabilizers in plain old grocery store peroxide don't worry me. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
