Re: CSZapper for Tooth Pain
I need a little clarification. Let's say you have a tooth with a cavity- tooth decay. The bacteria are creating acid by their activities that erodes tooth enamel, as I understand it. Will the microelectricity kill the bacteria and stop the decay? Can the tooth then regenerate some of the enamel? Does the tooth have to be intact? Is infection like an abscess or like a cavity? I have been doing oil pulling and have seen improvement in whiteness of teeth and also tooth sensitivity. I haven't really been impressed that any gum recession was reversed, though perhaps it was slowed down. Thanks, Nancy - Original Message From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:16:42 PM Subject: Re: CSZapper for Tooth Pain Pat, You might be able to use a zapper but the Godzilla device works for this every time. It will not only relieve you of the pain, but it will kill the infection in the tooth, gum, or root of the tooth and can save you thousands on dental bills. Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo for schematics on how to make one for under $10. You can buy a very nice one with a volt meter on it from V at lig...@theledman.net I've used this device many times and it has naver failed me. Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHelp with tooth extraction pain
Sunny- I find Aloe vera very soothing to sores on the gum. It takes a fresh plant with plump leaves. I cut a leaf, cut off the spines on the edge, cut the leaf in half, rough up the gel a little, and just stick a suitable sized piece in my mouth right over the sore. Since mine were in the outer gum my cheek would keep the aloe in place. If it were not sandwiched between gums it might be hard to keep it in place. I suppose a bigger piece might be easier to keep in place. Also CS/EIS is extraordinary in causing healing and regeneration of tissues, it has caused regeneration of muscle, skin, and even feathers in severe racoon bites on some ducks I had. I would certainly hold some in my mouth over the wound several times a day. I am skeptical about bad news from dentists; I had one want to extract a tooth that another bad dentist had hollowed out entirely to fill when I was 12- he did that to all my back molars.:-( All eventually cracked and needed crowns. I didn't take his advice but went around with the filling gone and the tooth filling up with food every time I ate for months before I found a great dentist who put a crown on it- still there around 40 years later.Too late for that tooth, but I would have followed some protocol to try to harden up the tooth stump and looked for a dentist who would work with trying to restore the crown. I had one tooth break off at the gum line and the dentist put in a screw and rebuilt it, put another crown on, and even consented to work on it without a deadening shot, which I dislike as I picture the needle doing damage to nerves, etc in the gums. There are a lot of mediocre dentists out there but a few really good ones. Faith St. Francis' post was inspiring, Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHelp with tooth extraction pain
Sunny, What does the mucous membrane of the palate look like? Is it red, swollen, splotchy, white patches, oozing pus, macerated or torn in places? I am getting a bit concerned for you here. Your mouth should be improving and settling down already! Could you be having a hypersensitivity reaction to the injection that deadened the area? Have you used MMS before and done all right with it? I also wonder if you had some tearing of the gum adjacent to the extraction area up into the palate? Could that explanation fit? What is your gut feeling about what is happening inside your mouth? Did you increase the CS and dilute the MMS a bit more. Tonight when I applied MMS/DMSO/CS to my back, some areas stung for a few minutes and other parts did not - no rhyme or reason. So what do you FEEL is going on inside your poor little mouth? Please contact the dentist tomorrowremembering he is going to make suggestions and the final choice about what to do is yours, always! But please do get his professional opinion and do not be surprised if he wants to see you so he can observe the tissues that are causing you so much trouble. Praying for your healing, Paula Forwarded Message: Re: CSHelp with tooth extraction pain Re: CSHelp with tooth extraction pain Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:49 PM From: Sunny sunwatercl...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Thanks - not sure that's what it is.. now.. feels more like ulcerated palate around the tooth... sucking on cloves helps but not for long and eating anything other than ultra bland is like 'ouch sting sting'... xx sunny
CSHelp with tooth extraction pain
Hi folks, This bounced for being too big. I've trimmed quoted text and forwarded it for Sunny... as I think she deserved a break. smile Thank you for all you do to help, everyone. Peace, Mike D. --- Forwarded message follows --- Folks, thank you all so much for your wisdom. I have done some bad things in relation to this tooth, like smoking, and eating MM's and cookies... yes.. I felt bad..it was comfort stuff.. and every bite of every bit of food hurt... and I just felt so depressed.. [times are really though as it is without this] but no excuse.. However, reading all the advice, I realize that I must take the road to healing now... The tooth is I suspect infected, but not with dry socket..it's not oozing, it's not bleeding, but there is a lot of swelling.. I think just infection from the removal. The dentist did not tell me much and I was too woozy and overwhelmed to ask... The pain is now pretty bad.. BUT I just read all of your mails... and immediately drank the MMS I had prepared and not drunk cos there was no stuff to make it taste better.. it's not THAT bad with water.. 10 drops.. THEN I swilled down a glass of CS.. swilled one in my mouth... and set the machine to make more. Gonna get to making the home made zapper tomorrow...[we do have some kind of electrode massager that my husband has had for ages... his ex used to use it for her wrinkles!] and meanwhile... have to take painkillers to sleep as no sleep = low immune system = even harder to work on.. AND I also took an antibiotic. I had a pack of antiboics, a course, given to me by a dentist friend just in case, a while ago... I held it there.. I hummed and haaad and thought.. shall I shan't I.. and Mr PAIN said you must... and I took one...gr It's so crazy... I've been trying so hard... not to take any of this stuff.. and going to the dentist, visiting an allopathic, and young, cocky, I'm so smart, dentist... who had no idea about how to prepare patients... and that we all need lots and lots of information... wow.. the info you all gave me really comforted and helped me.. Paula you sound like you should write a manual for dentists...I felt like someone at last was telling me something I should have been told by the dentist... I understood.. that this tooth was a particularly hard one.. and that I would have liked to have been more prepared.. and perhaps would have not been so stupid with what I put in my mouth.. I am so desperately in a transition from the old world, and all that awful food and stuff.. to a new one where we are muchhealthier.. we've had a relapse lately... [and me who was a raw foodie, non smoking health fanatic] and this has made me sit up and become aware... Much love to you all... pain getting really bad now so must go to bed... thanks sunny x A peek into our world.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth --- End of forwarded message --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Nasal spray,more info
And as an FYI.I found a nasal sprayer bottle (two actually) from a Dollar Store. Price was perfect, considering I also dumped the contents for the sprayer pump itself. Lisa _ From: Harold MacDonald [mailto:har...@telus.net] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:30 PM To: Silver list Subject: CS Nasal spray,more info My apologies for not giving H2O2 info.For myself I put in 4 drops of 35% food grade Hydrogen peroxide[this I get from a compounding pharmacy, without stabilizers,etc.].For a child I would use a smaller amount as their nasal passages will be more delicate, try 1 drop in the mix at first. The sprayer was one from the Pharmacy with a nasal spray in it,which I emptied out.The bottle was 2 ounces in size with a tapered spout pump. Incidentally, this mix is also ideal for ear aches too.Same for children, a smaller amount of H2O2 at first. For a family I would use my original strength mix in a larger quantity and if and when necessary,dilute with EIS for a small child. Sometimes the regular MSM can be a bit harsh,so experiment with it too. I now use pure Sulfur Crystals instead of MSM, which is a poor form of Sulfur.Go to WWW.healthtalkhawaii.com for info re same. I hope this is of some help. Harold
Re: CSvoltage meter
cells need voltage A misleading misnomer. Cells need electrochemical ion exchange eg chemical reactions in order to not starve or asphyxiate when doing things Even communications between cells are carried out by these exchanges. Any chemical reaction can be described as electronic in nature. Any difference in potential [voltage] can be defined as a pending chemical reaction. You might even say that a reaction that's taking place now, is a current event. A battery is a cell. If you cannot detect a voltage it may be dead, but it needs current to stay charged. You can't charge a battery with voltagesomething has to happen A GOOD battery will maintain a voltage [potential] forever with no input of current, so long as there's also no output of current. But if you don't use it, it may as well be dead. No current, no events..all potential getting dusty in a closet doing nothing. You can have full voltage and very low capacity in a battery as well..little current availabletired easily when used. But checking voltage won't tell you about capacity..ya gotta load the cell with current draw [make it do some work ] to see how fast it gets tired. And if you let it rest a while, the voltage goes right back up..unless it's about dead. Now..stick that voltmeter on a dead chicken and see if you get something. I think you will, but that doesn't mean that chicken will ever lay another egg nearly as big as this idea that cells need voltage It's next current event is charging YOU. THAT is its' potential, now. Ode At 10:39 AM 9/26/2010 -0600, you wrote: Hello Love, Although I understand some of the basics, there are wide gaps in my comprehension. For example, cells need voltage. But the voltage can, in the body, come only from the chemical biology of the cells themselves, and must be regulated by cells. I don't know anything about Norton. I am sending this for review and consideration by more qualified people, not as a put-down of Tennant. His procedures may work, even if his theory is not correct. I sure would like to get a hug. Jim On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Norton, Steve mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.comstephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: Dr. Tennant doesn't explain his claim that all cells in the body need between -20 mV and -25 mV. Without an explanation his claim is pretty much worthless. But let me make a guess. The optimal blood pH is somewhere between 7.35 and 7.45. If blood pH moves below 6.8 or above 7.8, cells stop functioning and the body dies. A pH meter measures Ph as follows (http://www.omega.com/techref/ph-3.htmlhttp://www.omega.com/techref/ph-3.html): pH electrodes are constructed from a special composition glass which senses the hydrogen ion concentration. This glass is typically composed of alkali metal ions. The alkali metal ions of the glass and the hydrogen ions in solution undergo an ion exchange reaction, generating a potential difference. In a combination pH electrode, the most widely used variety, there are actually two electrodes in one body. One portion is called the measuring electrode, the other the reference electrode. The potential generated at the junction site of the measuring portion is due to the free hydrogen ions present in solution. The potential of the reference portion is produced by the internal element in contact with the reference fill solution. This potential is always constant. In summary, the measuring electrode delivers a varying voltage and the reference electrode delivers a constant voltage to the meter. pH electrodes are like batteries; they run down with time and use. As an electrode ages, its glass changes resistance. This resistance change alters the electrode potential. For this reason, electrodes need to be calibrated on a regular basis. Calibration in pH buffer solution corrects for this change. Calibration of any pH equipment should always begin with buffer 7.0 as this is the zero point. The pH scale has an equivalent mV scale. The mV scale ranges from +420 to -420 mV. At a pH of 7.0 the mV value is 0. Each pH change corresponds to a change of ±60 mV. As pH values become more acidic the mV values become greater. For example, a pH of 4.0 corresponds to a value of 180 mV. As pH values become more basic the mV values become more negative; pH=9 corresponds to -120 mV. Therefore a pH meter reading between -20 mV and -25 mV would correspond to a pH of 7.33 to 7.41. A fairly startling coincidence I would say. I think that this is where Dr. Tennant gets his claim. But his claim is total nonsense in the context he uses it. The pH meter uses a specially designed probe which basically creates a battery that uses free hydrogen ions as the electrolyte. The voltage measured is directly related to the amount of free hydrogen ions in the electrolyte. You cannot use a voltmeter to measure the pH of the skin, a liquid on the skin or a cell. Tennant's claim of doing so is rubbish. Dr.
Re: CSZapper for Tooth Pain
Nancy, An abscessed tooth is the same as an infection in the tooth and it is caused by bacteria which can be destroyed with DC current. It matters little if the bacteria are in the root, tooth, or gum. If your tooth is cracked or missing a piece then it may have to come out depending on what your dentist says. Any infection will still be destroyed by the Godzilla. - Original Message - From: Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:51 AM Subject: Re: CSZapper for Tooth Pain I need a little clarification. Let's say you have a tooth with a cavity- tooth decay. The bacteria are creating acid by their activities that erodes tooth enamel, as I understand it. Will the microelectricity kill the bacteria and stop the decay? Can the tooth then regenerate some of the enamel? Does the tooth have to be intact? Is infection like an abscess or like a cavity? I have been doing oil pulling and have seen improvement in whiteness of teeth and also tooth sensitivity. I haven't really been impressed that any gum recession was reversed, though perhaps it was slowed down. Thanks, Nancy - Original Message From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:16:42 PM Subject: Re: CSZapper for Tooth Pain Pat, You might be able to use a zapper but the Godzilla device works for this every time. It will not only relieve you of the pain, but it will kill the infection in the tooth, gum, or root of the tooth and can save you thousands on dental bills. Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo for schematics on how to make one for under $10. You can buy a very nice one with a volt meter on it from V at lig...@theledman.net I've used this device many times and it has naver failed me. Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Distilled water for water vortex
Mr. Bradley, We only use distilled water because our municipal water is very high in flouride. Can distilled water be used to make vortex-magnetized-structured water? Thanks. Melly --- On Mon, 9/27/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #790 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 1:03 AM
Re: CSRe: Distilled water for water vortex
Dear Melly, Yes, distilled water is subject to the same forces as water containing various mineral compounds. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: Mr. Bradley, We only use distilled water because our municipal water is very high in flouride. Can distilled water be used to make vortex-magnetized-structured water? Thanks. Melly --- On *Mon, 9/27/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com* wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #790 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 1:03 AM
CSActive Hydrogen vs Negative Hydrogen Ions.
Mr. Bradley, Have your experiments with water ever taken you towards the benefits of negative hydrogen ions vs. positive hydrogen ions? Which is the better of the two? Are they both beneficial in differing ways? Can they co-exist? I would really appreciate any light you could shed on this for me, as the research of Dr. Patrick Flanagan and Drs. Volkov and Kostenko seem to contradict each other. Sincerely, Paul Catania
CSRe: Tooth Infection and voltage meter
Hi All, What does it mean if when using the godzilla on tooth with cotton wrapped rod inside mouth and a tens pad outside on cheek and then the rod inside the mouth tastes sour? Is this normal? If not, what should i do when this happens? I bought a voltage meter to test if which electrode of my godzilla is positive or negative. I was told at Freight Harbor the red is positive and the black is negative. I want to know how i can test my electrodes? Am afraid i might damage my machine if i make a mistake. My machine is 27 volts. Where do i set the dial? Thanks. Melly --- On Mon, 9/27/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #791 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 12:53 PM
CSWill CS interact with any of these?
I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer, and want to spike his drinking water with CS. The problem is, his drinking water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops. Will the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff? Thanks, ~David
Re: CSWill CS interact with any of these?
If your friend is willing, you should tell him about his cancer treatment with this = http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer, and want to spike his drinking water with CS. The problem is, his drinking water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops. Will the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff? Thanks, ~David
Re: CSWill CS interact with any of these?
He takes minimal baking soda orally. Maybe only 3 tsp a day. The doc said he should take 8, but he won't. I don't believe oral bicarb alone has enough evidence to support its effectiveness. So far, all the cases I have read of bicarb success have had a way of targeting bicarcb to the cancer. Such as stomach cancer being directly reached by oral route, lung cancer reached by nebulizer, tumor injected directly, bicarb given IV, etc. The patient also gets IV bicarb + DMSO but only once in 3 weeks. If you can get pH really high at the cancer site, I can believe it kills cancer. Cancer is certainly not just a fungus though. There are many factors. Fungus and infections is one of them. I have read some articles and studies by alternative cancer doctors that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES cancer metabolsim and that ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV Vitamin C reverse cancer. The whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has value, but has been vastly oversimplified. In fact, it was shown that cancer patients develop blood that is more alkaline than others naturally. The body uses its alkaline reserves to protect against lactic acid production by tumors. When these alkaline reserves run out, the whole body rapidly becomes acidic and death is immament. Any rate, sorry that was off topic! ~David On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: If your friend is willing, you should tell him about his cancer treatment with this = http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer, and want to spike his drinking water with CS. The problem is, his drinking water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops. Will the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff? Thanks, ~David
Re: CSWill CS interact with any of these?
I believe you missed the part where molasses is used with the soda = according to Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, Director of the International Medical Veritas Association, Dr. Simoncini routinely administers glucose with his IV treatments and this is the best indication for the use of either honey, maple syrup** or black strap molasses** especially for late stage cancer patients whose cells are starving. He takes minimal baking soda orally. Maybe only 3 tsp a day. The doc said he should take 8, but he won't. I don't believe oral bicarb alone has enough evidence to support its effectiveness. So far, all the cases I have read of bicarb success have had a way of targeting bicarcb to the cancer. Such as stomach cancer being directly reached by oral route, lung cancer reached by nebulizer, tumor injected directly, bicarb given IV, etc. The patient also gets IV bicarb + DMSO but only once in 3 weeks. If you can get pH really high at the cancer site, I can believe it kills cancer. Cancer is certainly not just a fungus though. There are many factors. Fungus and infections is one of them. I have read some articles and studies by alternative cancer doctors that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES cancer metabolsim and that ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV Vitamin C reverse cancer. The whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has value, but has been vastly oversimplified. In fact, it was shown that cancer patients develop blood that is more alkaline than others naturally. The body uses its alkaline reserves to protect against lactic acid production by tumors. When these alkaline reserves run out, the whole body rapidly becomes acidic and death is immament. Any rate, sorry that was off topic! ~David On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: If your friend is willing, you should tell him about his cancer treatment with this = http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer, and want to spike his drinking water with CS. The problem is, his drinking water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops. Will the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff? Thanks, ~David
Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book
I have not said that Dr Tennant's device does not work. I am sure that it does. At least to some extent. His device is based on well known technology that studies have proven to provide pain relief and healing. However there are other devices on the market that are as good as or better than Dr Tennant's device. What I have taken issue with is his claims for how and why his device works. Actually, my original intent was to explain that you cannot measure cell voltage with a voltmeter. That then led to explaining that the -20 mV to -25 mV referred to by Dr Tennant is an artificial value used by digital pH meters and absolutely meaningless relative to the actual voltage of a cell. First a couple of quotes from Tennant's web site. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed in front of the voltage. If the solution is an electron stealer, a plus sign is placed in front of the voltage. The measured voltage is then converted to a logarithmic scale from 0-14 with zero corresponding to +400 millivolts of electron stealer to -400 millivolts corresponding to a pH of 14. Cell are designed to run at about -20 millivolts (pH 7.35). Dr. Tennant began to understand that cells must have enough voltage to work and that chronic disease was associated with loss of voltage. Next he had to find out how to measure the voltage and then how to correct it. Ok, so Tennant is referring to the voltage of a pH meter. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Energetic_Medicine.html One can tap into either wiring system to measure the voltage in the organs. It is difficult to use a voltmeter to measure the organ voltage because voltage surges about every six seconds. Thus we commonly use an ohmmeter to measure and then convert that to voltage. There are several devices designed to accurately and reproducibly measure organ voltage like the Nakatani (MEAD) system, the Voll systems, and the Tennant Biomodulator. By placing one of these devices onto a wire known to go to each organ, one can know the voltage in that organ. Cells in the adult human are designed to run at -20 to -25 millivolts and to heal at -50 millivolts. The minus sign means that the voltage is an electron donor. If the voltage drops to the point the solution is an electron stealer, we put a plus sign in front of the voltage. Cancer occurs at +30 millivolts. If you do a search on the Nakatani (MEAD) system and the Voll systems you will find that neither measures organ voltages much less cell voltages. Apparently the Tennant Biomodulator uses an ohmmeter for measurement and then converts the ohm reading to a voltage. Theoretically a voltage could look like a resistance if it has the opposite polarity of the voltage used by the ohmmeter and a magnitude less than the voltage used by the ohmmeter. However this method as used would be fraught with potential errors. And even if you got a measurement, it would not be the voltage of a cell. What is the voltage of a cell? Not -20 to -25 millivolts. Not -50 millivolts. But -70 millivolts for a resting cell. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resting_potential The resting voltage is the result of several ion-translocating enzymes (uniporters, cotransporters, and pumps) in the plasma membrane, steadily operating in parallel, whereby each ion-translocator has its characteristic electromotive force (= reversal potential = 'equilibrium voltage'), depending on the particular substrate concentrations inside and outside (internal ATP included in case of some pumps). H+ exporting ATPase render the membrane voltage in plants and fungi much more negative than in the more extensively investigated animal cells, where the resting voltage is mainly determined by selective ion channels. In most neurons the resting potential has a value of approximately -70 mV. The resting potential is mostly determined by the concentrations of the ions in the fluids on both sides of the cell membrane and the ion transport proteins that are in the cell membrane. How the concentrations of ions and the membrane transport proteins influence the value of the resting potential is outlined below. There is also a voltage associated with what are called excitable cells. Excitable cells include neurons, muscle cells, and endocrine cells. At rest, their voltage is -70 mV and increases to approximately +40 mV when activated. See Figure 1 at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_potential Action potentials occur in several types of animal cells, called excitable cells, which include neurons, muscle cells, and endocrine cells. In neurons, they play a central role in cell-to-cell communication. In
Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book
Hi Steve, Would you mind sharing the names of devices that you feel are as good or better than the biomodulator? I am in the market and would be interested in your opinion. Thank you. PT - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book I have not said that Dr Tennant's device does not work. I am sure that it does. At least to some extent. His device is based on well known technology that studies have proven to provide pain relief and healing. However there are other devices on the market that are as good as or better than Dr Tennant's device. What I have taken issue with is his claims for how and why his device works. Actually, my original intent was to explain that you cannot measure cell voltage with a voltmeter. That then led to explaining that the -20 mV to -25 mV referred to by Dr Tennant is an artificial value used by digital pH meters and absolutely meaningless relative to the actual voltage of a cell. First a couple of quotes from Tennant's web site. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed in front of the voltage. If the solution is an electron stealer, a plus sign is placed in front of the voltage. The measured voltage is then converted to a logarithmic scale from 0-14 with zero corresponding to +400 millivolts of electron stealer to -400 millivolts corresponding to a pH of 14. Cell are designed to run at about -20 millivolts (pH 7.35). Dr. Tennant began to understand that cells must have enough voltage to work and that chronic disease was associated with loss of voltage. Next he had to find out how to measure the voltage and then how to correct it. Ok, so Tennant is referring to the voltage of a pH meter. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Energetic_Medicine.html One can tap into either wiring system to measure the voltage in the organs. It is difficult to use a voltmeter to measure the organ voltage because voltage surges about every six seconds. Thus we commonly use an ohmmeter to measure and then convert that to voltage. There are several devices designed to accurately and reproducibly measure organ voltage like the Nakatani (MEAD) system, the Voll systems, and the Tennant Biomodulator. By placing one of these devices onto a wire known to go to each organ, one can know the voltage in that organ. Cells in the adult human are designed to run at -20 to -25 millivolts and to heal at -50 millivolts. The minus sign means that the voltage is an electron donor. If the voltage drops to the point the solution is an electron stealer, we put a plus sign in front of the voltage. Cancer occurs at +30 millivolts. If you do a search on the Nakatani (MEAD) system and the Voll systems you will find that neither measures organ voltages much less cell voltages. Apparently the Tennant Biomodulator uses an ohmmeter for measurement and then converts the ohm reading to a voltage. Theoretically a voltage could look like a resistance if it has the opposite polarity of the voltage used by the ohmmeter and a magnitude less than the voltage used by the ohmmeter. However this method as used would be fraught with potential errors. And even if you got a measurement, it would not be the voltage of a cell. What is the voltage of a cell? Not -20 to -25 millivolts. Not -50 millivolts. But -70 millivolts for a resting cell. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resting_potential The resting voltage is the result of several ion-translocating enzymes (uniporters, cotransporters, and pumps) in the plasma membrane, steadily operating in parallel, whereby each ion-translocator has its characteristic electromotive force (= reversal potential = 'equilibrium voltage'), depending on the particular substrate concentrations inside and outside (internal ATP included in case of some pumps). H+ exporting ATPase render the membrane voltage in plants and fungi much more negative than in the more extensively investigated animal cells, where the resting voltage is mainly determined by selective ion channels. In most neurons the resting potential has a value of approximately -70 mV. The resting potential is mostly determined by the concentrations of the ions in the fluids on both sides of the cell membrane and the ion transport proteins that are in the cell membrane. How the concentrations of ions and the membrane transport proteins influence the value of the resting potential is outlined below. There is also a voltage associated with what are called excitable cells. Excitable cells include neurons,
Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book
I try and make a point of not recommending a specific CS supplier and in this case a specific pain reducer. I don't want to appear to have a bias and they are only my opinion. What I would look for in a device might not be what you need. There were several different suppliers mentioned in a previous discussion on this within the last couple of months. Ode had a concept for one that might be very useable and lower cost but I don't know if he is pursuing it. (It would also make CS). Your question would be better answered by some of the silver-listers that have tried the different pain reducers. - Steve N -Original Message- From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:22 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book Hi Steve, Would you mind sharing the names of devices that you feel are as good or better than the biomodulator? I am in the market and would be interested in your opinion. Thank you. PT - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book I have not said that Dr Tennant's device does not work. I am sure that it does. At least to some extent. His device is based on well known technology that studies have proven to provide pain relief and healing. However there are other devices on the market that are as good as or better than Dr Tennant's device. What I have taken issue with is his claims for how and why his device works. Actually, my original intent was to explain that you cannot measure cell voltage with a voltmeter. That then led to explaining that the -20 mV to -25 mV referred to by Dr Tennant is an artificial value used by digital pH meters and absolutely meaningless relative to the actual voltage of a cell. First a couple of quotes from Tennant's web site. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed in front of the voltage. If the solution is an electron stealer, a plus sign is placed in front of the voltage. The measured voltage is then converted to a logarithmic scale from 0-14 with zero corresponding to +400 millivolts of electron stealer to -400 millivolts corresponding to a pH of 14. Cell are designed to run at about -20 millivolts (pH 7.35). Dr. Tennant began to understand that cells must have enough voltage to work and that chronic disease was associated with loss of voltage. Next he had to find out how to measure the voltage and then how to correct it. Ok, so Tennant is referring to the voltage of a pH meter. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Energetic_Medicine.html One can tap into either wiring system to measure the voltage in the organs. It is difficult to use a voltmeter to measure the organ voltage because voltage surges about every six seconds. Thus we commonly use an ohmmeter to measure and then convert that to voltage. There are several devices designed to accurately and reproducibly measure organ voltage like the Nakatani (MEAD) system, the Voll systems, and the Tennant Biomodulator. By placing one of these devices onto a wire known to go to each organ, one can know the voltage in that organ. Cells in the adult human are designed to run at -20 to -25 millivolts and to heal at -50 millivolts. The minus sign means that the voltage is an electron donor. If the voltage drops to the point the solution is an electron stealer, we put a plus sign in front of the voltage. Cancer occurs at +30 millivolts. If you do a search on the Nakatani (MEAD) system and the Voll systems you will find that neither measures organ voltages much less cell voltages. Apparently the Tennant Biomodulator uses an ohmmeter for measurement and then converts the ohm reading to a voltage. Theoretically a voltage could look like a resistance if it has the opposite polarity of the voltage used by the ohmmeter and a magnitude less than the voltage used by the ohmmeter. However this method as used would be fraught with potential errors. And even if you got a measurement, it would not be the voltage of a cell. What is the voltage of a cell? Not -20 to -25 millivolts. Not -50 millivolts. But -70 millivolts for a resting cell. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resting_potential The resting voltage is the result of several ion-translocating enzymes (uniporters, cotransporters, and pumps) in the plasma membrane, steadily operating in parallel, whereby each ion-translocator has its characteristic electromotive force (= reversal potential = 'equilibrium voltage'), depending on the
Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book
Thanks. You seemed to have an opinion. I already have 2 scenar units and was looking at the biomodulator as a possible addition. You don't seem too impressed with it and I am wondering what you do like as just a wider field to research before making a major investment. PT - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:39 PM Subject: Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book I try and make a point of not recommending a specific CS supplier and in this case a specific pain reducer. I don't want to appear to have a bias and they are only my opinion. What I would look for in a device might not be what you need. There were several different suppliers mentioned in a previous discussion on this within the last couple of months. Ode had a concept for one that might be very useable and lower cost but I don't know if he is pursuing it. (It would also make CS). Your question would be better answered by some of the silver-listers that have tried the different pain reducers. - Steve N -Original Message- From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:22 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book Hi Steve, Would you mind sharing the names of devices that you feel are as good or better than the biomodulator? I am in the market and would be interested in your opinion. Thank you. PT - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book I have not said that Dr Tennant's device does not work. I am sure that it does. At least to some extent. His device is based on well known technology that studies have proven to provide pain relief and healing. However there are other devices on the market that are as good as or better than Dr Tennant's device. What I have taken issue with is his claims for how and why his device works. Actually, my original intent was to explain that you cannot measure cell voltage with a voltmeter. That then led to explaining that the -20 mV to -25 mV referred to by Dr Tennant is an artificial value used by digital pH meters and absolutely meaningless relative to the actual voltage of a cell. First a couple of quotes from Tennant's web site. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed in front of the voltage. If the solution is an electron stealer, a plus sign is placed in front of the voltage. The measured voltage is then converted to a logarithmic scale from 0-14 with zero corresponding to +400 millivolts of electron stealer to -400 millivolts corresponding to a pH of 14. Cell are designed to run at about -20 millivolts (pH 7.35). Dr. Tennant began to understand that cells must have enough voltage to work and that chronic disease was associated with loss of voltage. Next he had to find out how to measure the voltage and then how to correct it. Ok, so Tennant is referring to the voltage of a pH meter. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Energetic_Medicine.html One can tap into either wiring system to measure the voltage in the organs. It is difficult to use a voltmeter to measure the organ voltage because voltage surges about every six seconds. Thus we commonly use an ohmmeter to measure and then convert that to voltage. There are several devices designed to accurately and reproducibly measure organ voltage like the Nakatani (MEAD) system, the Voll systems, and the Tennant Biomodulator. By placing one of these devices onto a wire known to go to each organ, one can know the voltage in that organ. Cells in the adult human are designed to run at -20 to -25 millivolts and to heal at -50 millivolts. The minus sign means that the voltage is an electron donor. If the voltage drops to the point the solution is an electron stealer, we put a plus sign in front of the voltage. Cancer occurs at +30 millivolts. If you do a search on the Nakatani (MEAD) system and the Voll systems you will find that neither measures organ voltages much less cell voltages. Apparently the Tennant Biomodulator uses an ohmmeter for measurement and then converts the ohm reading to a voltage. Theoretically a voltage could look like a resistance if it has the opposite polarity of the voltage used by the ohmmeter and a magnitude less than the voltage used by the ohmmeter. However this method as used would be fraught with potential errors. And even if you got a measurement, it would not be the voltage
CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] Silver particles on bottom of jar
Hey, Ive started brewing my CS ... using my new wishgranted Master generator ... set on 4 ... distilled water from Walmart, as suggested by wishgranted ... and glass canning jars. Each jar that Ive brewed has a layer of silver particles laying on the bottom of the jar. What's up with that ??? The generator is behaving just like the intstructions said it would, w/o any issues ... Green light running all the time and cutting off when done ... red test light coming off and on intermittently jan
Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book
One advantage of the biomodulator is its small handheld size. I think that is also its drawback. These devices work by delivering currents to the needed locations. By having fixed electrodes with little separation between them you will get little penetration of electrical currents into the body. I prefer electrodes that can be located to send electrical current to where you need it most. I place less emphasis on 'special' waveforms. A study of various waveform patterns showed little difference in performance between the waveform patterns. In fact some generators use randomly generated pulses to great effect. Waveform shape has some impact on performance and can make a great difference in comfort. What is it you don't like about your scenar units? What do you think the biomodulator will do that the scenar doesn't? Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:43 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book Thanks. You seemed to have an opinion. I already have 2 scenar units and was looking at the biomodulator as a possible addition. You don't seem too impressed with it and I am wondering what you do like as just a wider field to research before making a major investment. PT - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:39 PM Subject: Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book I try and make a point of not recommending a specific CS supplier and in this case a specific pain reducer. I don't want to appear to have a bias and they are only my opinion. What I would look for in a device might not be what you need. There were several different suppliers mentioned in a previous discussion on this within the last couple of months. Ode had a concept for one that might be very useable and lower cost but I don't know if he is pursuing it. (It would also make CS). Your question would be better answered by some of the silver-listers that have tried the different pain reducers. - Steve N -Original Message- From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:22 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book Hi Steve, Would you mind sharing the names of devices that you feel are as good or better than the biomodulator? I am in the market and would be interested in your opinion. Thank you. PT - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: CSvoltage meter/ CELL VOLTAGE Dr. Tennant's book I have not said that Dr Tennant's device does not work. I am sure that it does. At least to some extent. His device is based on well known technology that studies have proven to provide pain relief and healing. However there are other devices on the market that are as good as or better than Dr Tennant's device. What I have taken issue with is his claims for how and why his device works. Actually, my original intent was to explain that you cannot measure cell voltage with a voltmeter. That then led to explaining that the -20 mV to -25 mV referred to by Dr Tennant is an artificial value used by digital pH meters and absolutely meaningless relative to the actual voltage of a cell. First a couple of quotes from Tennant's web site. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Dr._Tennants_Story.html Each cellular biology book gave passing notice to the fact that cells require a narrow range of pH, but little more was discussed on the subject. He began to look at pH and discovered that it is a measurement of the voltage in a solution. It is measured with a sophisticated voltmeter. If the solution is an electron donor, a minus sign is placed in front of the voltage. If the solution is an electron stealer, a plus sign is placed in front of the voltage. The measured voltage is then converted to a logarithmic scale from 0-14 with zero corresponding to +400 millivolts of electron stealer to -400 millivolts corresponding to a pH of 14. Cell are designed to run at about -20 millivolts (pH 7.35). Dr. Tennant began to understand that cells must have enough voltage to work and that chronic disease was associated with loss of voltage. Next he had to find out how to measure the voltage and then how to correct it. Ok, so Tennant is referring to the voltage of a pH meter. http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Energetic_Medicine.html One can tap into either wiring system to measure the voltage in the organs. It is difficult to use a voltmeter to measure the organ voltage because voltage surges about every six seconds. Thus we commonly use an ohmmeter to measure and then convert that to voltage. There are several devices designed to accurately and reproducibly measure organ voltage like the Nakatani
CSRe: Distilled Water for vortex-magnetized-structured water
Thank you for your reply assuring that distilled water can be used to create vortex-magnetized-structured water. Melly --- On Mon, 9/27/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #792 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 9:39 PM
Re: CSWill CS interact with any of these?
Ya, that I can understand. I am speaking of bicarb by itself. An interesting aside: some docs use IV insulin to target things to cancer cells, which has a better effect than IV glucose, and does not feed the cancer metabolism. Anyway, back to the original question: will CS loose its usefulness if mixed with any of the following?: bicarb, sea salt, electrolytes, vitamin C? On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: I believe you missed the part where molasses is used with the soda = according to Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, Director of the International Medical Veritas Association, Dr. Simoncini routinely administers glucose with his IV treatments and this is the best indication for the use of either honey, maple syrup** or black strap molasses** especially for late stage cancer patients whose cells are starving. He takes minimal baking soda orally. Maybe only 3 tsp a day. The doc said he should take 8, but he won't. I don't believe oral bicarb alone has enough evidence to support its effectiveness. So far, all the cases I have read of bicarb success have had a way of targeting bicarcb to the cancer. Such as stomach cancer being directly reached by oral route, lung cancer reached by nebulizer, tumor injected directly, bicarb given IV, etc. The patient also gets IV bicarb + DMSO but only once in 3 weeks. If you can get pH really high at the cancer site, I can believe it kills cancer. Cancer is certainly not just a fungus though. There are many factors. Fungus and infections is one of them. I have read some articles and studies by alternative cancer doctors that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES cancer metabolsim and that ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV Vitamin C reverse cancer. The whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has value, but has been vastly oversimplified. In fact, it was shown that cancer patients develop blood that is more alkaline than others naturally. The body uses its alkaline reserves to protect against lactic acid production by tumors. When these alkaline reserves run out, the whole body rapidly becomes acidic and death is immament. Any rate, sorry that was off topic! ~David On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: If your friend is willing, you should tell him about his cancer treatment with this = http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer, and want to spike his drinking water with CS. The problem is, his drinking water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops. Will the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff? Thanks, ~David
Re: CSWill CS interact with any of these?
Personally, would mix the EIS with citric acid or a citrus juice to convert it to silver citrate before combining with the others. - Steve N From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWill CS interact with any of these? Ya, that I can understand. I am speaking of bicarb by itself. An interesting aside: some docs use IV insulin to target things to cancer cells, which has a better effect than IV glucose, and does not feed the cancer metabolism. Anyway, back to the original question: will CS loose its usefulness if mixed with any of the following?: bicarb, sea salt, electrolytes, vitamin C?
