RE: CS>newbie

[Neville Munn]

Hi,
 
If you make it yourself:
 
Immediately after cessation of the brewing process the solution will contain 
the highest level of Ag+ ions, for every hour that solution sits in storage it 
will lose some of those Ag+ ions to ion clusters {particles} until a point of 
solution stability is reached, thus reducing the amount of electrically 
positively charged silver ions in that solution.
 
Soo, you will have a choice between consuming a solution which is high in 
positively electrically charged silver ions, {or more Ag+ ions to particles by 
ratio}, or a more  particulate solution, {which will have less Ag+ ions and 
more particles by ratio}.
 
I am of the opinion there is a difference in product identification and 
efficacy when/if used for any given particular health issue. With purchased 
products one will not have that choice because one doesn't know how long that 
product has sat on the shelf, but it's a safe bet it's been there long after 
any positively charged ions have formed into ion clusters {particles}, hence 
that media bashed terminology 'colloidal silver'.
 
And I store mine in sealed clear glass containers in a cupboard, and they 
remain unchanged for months in storage after solution stabilization point has 
been reached.
 
Also, I'm not deterred in the slightest if some of those solutions take on a 
yellow hue, it's still top quality stuff regardless of articles to the contrary.
 
And finally, I do not agree with that "...'good stuff'..." statement.  What you 
will make in the kitchen is equal, and more likely BETTER, than what you will 
get off the store shelf.
 
This is my *belief*.
 
N.
 

> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:37:47 -0400
> From: phoenix23...@tds.net
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>newbie
> 
> Hi, everyone. I am brand new to this site. I have been dx with
> breast cancer and want to use colloidal silver with my protocol. I
> have used silver, off & on for years but I can't afford the 'good
> stuff' in the quantities I will need to fight this beast. So...
> thought I would look into making my own. I am not too mechanical or
> electrical-minded and would like to know if there are good relatively
> inexpensive units that can be purchased out there. Also, a good
> reputable source for the silver wire. I just purchased a book
> explaining how to build one of these machines.. lost me after the
> alligator clips..lol. What is the best way to store the silver after
> mfg? Thank you all for any info you care to share. Lola
> 
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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter

[Marshalee Hallett]

Dear Debra and everyone,
Speaking of big pharma drugs, here`s a good one for you:
Just last week I saw my doc for a checkup. He saw my BP was rather high and
recommended a med for it. I said, "Well, OK, I`ll try one," even though I
hate taking meds. So he gave me a scrip for 10 mg. Lisinopril.
Like a dummy, I filled it before reading up on it. (Only paid 3 bucks, but
being on SSI disability, even that is a lot.)
So I got home, and started reading the blurb the pharmacy gave me. Sounded
rather icky, so I looked Lisinopril up on the Internet. I found and read
about 85 tales of incredible woe by folks who the Lisinopril had done dirt
to.
I decided not to take that crap, for sure!!!
  Well, a few minutes later my new roommate Kathy came home from work. She
was feeling yucky as usual. I told her the doc gave me a scrip for
Lisinopril and how horrible it sounded. She said "That is what I`m taking!"
She was getting 20 mg. or twice what the doc had prescribed for me. I showed
her the info on the internet and she said, "WOW! I`m not taking this any
more!" Turns out she had nine of the ten worst side-effects!
  3 days later she was really improving, and yesterday she was able to clean
her room and get the furniture all rearranged. This from a gal who would
sleep solidly for 12 hours or more every weekend...
She has had thyroid cancer, so she has no thyroid, and we both thought it
was the thyroid meds not working that was making her so miserable. Not! The
doc who prescribed it never told her not to take it with NSAIDs, well she
takes 800 mg Ibuprofen for the spine damage from her car wreck in 2005!!!
(She and her mom were in a car that was the filling in a semi-truck
sandwich!! That is quite a story...)
So now Kathy is really improving, and I`ve been saved from misery.
How`s that???!!! Whew...
Marshalee




On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

> How many peoiple do doctor's kill each year and let's talk about the drugs
> big pharmacy and how many die because people trust them
>
>
> -
>
>

Re: CS>Possible colloidal silver injuries.

[David AuBuchon]

Thanks for the summary.  This is just the info I was looking for.
Yup...very clear.  Just written by doctors who didn't know anything
about silver.

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Alchemysa  wrote:
> A while ago I bought the complete report described in the first link.
>
>  "Myoclonic status epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of
> colloidal silver". (Death of a 71 year old man. )
>
> The full details are somewhat more complicated than the abstract suggests.
>  As you will see, its barely credible the doctors can even blame colloidal
> silver for the initial seizure let alone his ultimate death.
>
> Heres the sequence of events
>
> 1. Man aged about 70 finds out he has prostate cancer.
> 2. Takes Bicalutamide (a prescribed drug with a few side effects) for 3
> months.
> 3. Following this he tried "various nutritional and vitamin supplements,
> homeopathic remedies such as PC-SPES and essiac tea, and colloidal silver".
> (It's claimed his CS machine produced 4 litres of 10ppm in 30 minutes). He
> drinks about one ounce a day for 4 months. (An ounce is a very small amount
> for many consumers.)
> 4. Wife and daughter confiscate his CS machine and give it to doctors.
> (Presumably this ended his CS intake)
> 5. His prostate antigen level increases so he ceases all non-conventional
> treatment and undergoes 7 weeks (35 cycles) of radiation therapy.
> 6. Seizures begin 1 month after radio therapy ceases. (This appears to be
> about 3 MONTHS AFTER CEASING CS INGESTION)
> 7. He goes into 'Myoclonic status epilepticus' (a constant seizure) so
> doctors put him into an INDUCED COMA and pump him with various drugs.
> 8. Patient deteriorates to a persistent vegetative condition.
> 9. Patient is shifted to his home town hospital where he dies of PNEUMONIA
> 5.5 months after seizures begin. (The cause of death is absolutely clear in
> the report)
>
> A quote from the report.."His (the patients) extensive investigations
> (tests), including cranial MRIs, somatosensory evoked potentials, routine
> and special CSF studies for viruses or other microorganisms, porphyria,
> Hashimoto thyroiditis, connective tissue disease, and anti-Hu antibodies,
> WERE NORMAL. Patient’s liver function was also NORMAL. Therefore, we
> HYPOTHESIZE the patient’s condition was caused by silver toxicity.
>
> In other words... "We checked everything and the only trace of anything we
> could find was silver, so we are HYPOTHESIZING the silver (that he stopped
> taking 3 MONTHS before the seizures!) must have done it! Sorry Mum and
> Daughter, its not our fault. He had a seizure because of that darned
> silver!" If I was a cynic I could suggest conventional medicine killed him,
> and colloidal silver became a convenient scapegoat.
>
> David (The other one).
>
>
>
> From: David AuBuchon 
> Date: 15 August 2011 6:02:45 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?
>
> Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504
> ~David
>
>


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CS>Possible colloidal silver injuries.

[Alchemysa]

A while ago I bought the complete report described in the first link.

 "Myoclonic status epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of  
colloidal silver". (Death of a 71 year old man. )


The full details are somewhat more complicated than the abstract  
suggests.  As you will see, its barely credible the doctors can even  
blame colloidal silver for the initial seizure let alone his ultimate  
death.


Heres the sequence of events

1. Man aged about 70 finds out he has prostate cancer.
2. Takes Bicalutamide (a prescribed drug with a few side effects) for  
3 months.
3. Following this he tried "various nutritional and vitamin  
supplements, homeopathic remedies such as PC-SPES and essiac tea, and  
colloidal silver". (It's claimed his CS machine produced 4 litres of  
10ppm in 30 minutes). He drinks about one ounce a day for 4 months.  
(An ounce is a very small amount for many consumers.)
4. Wife and daughter confiscate his CS machine and give it to  
doctors. (Presumably this ended his CS intake)
5. His prostate antigen level increases so he ceases all non- 
conventional treatment and undergoes 7 weeks (35 cycles) of radiation  
therapy.
6. Seizures begin 1 month after radio therapy ceases. (This appears  
to be about 3 MONTHS AFTER CEASING CS INGESTION)
7. He goes into 'Myoclonic status epilepticus' (a constant seizure)  
so doctors put him into an INDUCED COMA and pump him with various drugs.

8. Patient deteriorates to a persistent vegetative condition.
9. Patient is shifted to his home town hospital where he dies of  
PNEUMONIA 5.5 months after seizures begin. (The cause of death is  
absolutely clear in the report)
A quote from the report.."His (the patients) extensive investigations  
(tests), including cranial MRIs, somatosensory evoked potentials,  
routine and special CSF studies for viruses or other microorganisms,  
porphyria, Hashimoto thyroiditis, connective tissue disease, and anti- 
Hu antibodies, WERE NORMAL. Patient’s liver function was also NORMAL.  
Therefore, we HYPOTHESIZE the patient’s condition was caused by  
silver toxicity.


In other words... "We checked everything and the only trace of  
anything we could find was silver, so we are HYPOTHESIZING the silver  
(that he stopped taking 3 MONTHS before the seizures!) must have done  
it! Sorry Mum and Daughter, its not our fault. He had a seizure  
because of that darned silver!" If I was a cynic I could suggest  
conventional medicine killed him, and colloidal silver became a  
convenient scapegoat.




David (The other one).






From: David AuBuchon 
Date: 15 August 2011 6:02:45 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?


Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here  
they are:


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504

~David

Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter

[Bob Banever]

Deborah - Approximately 900,000 people die each and every year from allergic 
or toxic reactions to drugs.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Deborah Gerard" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter


How many peoiple do doctor's kill each year and let's talk about the drugs 
big pharmacy and how many die because people trust them

-Original Message-
Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:28:29 pm
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
From: "David AuBuchon" 
Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter 
shutter


That is the obvious most likely scenario, but I'm just trying to do
due diligence and see if anyone has access to the study text to
confirm.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen  
wrote:
do we know if these 2 so called injuries were with the user using 
colloidal
silver made properly? do we even really know they were injured at all 
from

the colloidal silver? I doubt they were if they were using properly made
CS...


- Original Message - From: "David AuBuchon"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter 
shutter



Dude, I'm 100% with you, don't worry. I just don't want to tell
people there has never been an injury if it turns out there might have
been 1 or 2. It is still inconsequential, but I want to be completely
honest and accurate.

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Tel Tofflemire



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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter

[Mike Winslow-Hansen]

do these so called people even exist? or are these phantom names cooked up 
to cook a story? that might be a good place to research...



- Original Message - 
From: "David AuBuchon" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter


That is the obvious most likely scenario, but I'm just trying to do
due diligence and see if anyone has access to the study text to
confirm.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen  
wrote:
do we know if these 2 so called injuries were with the user using 
colloidal

silver made properly? do we even really know they were injured at all from
the colloidal silver? I doubt they were if they were using properly made
CS...


- Original Message - From: "David AuBuchon"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter 
shutter



Dude, I'm 100% with you, don't worry. I just don't want to tell
people there has never been an injury if it turns out there might have
been 1 or 2. It is still inconsequential, but I want to be completely
honest and accurate.

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:


Wow 2 injuries out of Millions of Users? Guess I don't want to ride in a
car anymore? I see wreck reports every day in the newspaper. But I still
Drive my car. I also take my Daily dose of Colloidal Silver ! Do not 
Force

a CS scare on this site,, ... you will loose.

Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

From: David AuBuchon 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:30 PM
Subject: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere. Is anyone able
to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation

Thanks,
~David


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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter

[Deborah Gerard]

How many peoiple do doctor's kill each year and let's talk about the drugs big 
pharmacy and how many die because people trust them
-Original Message-
Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:28:29 pm
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
From: "David AuBuchon" 
Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter

That is the obvious most likely scenario, but I'm just trying to do
due diligence and see if anyone has access to the study text to
confirm.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen  wrote:
> do we know if these 2 so called injuries were with the user using colloidal
> silver made properly?  do we even really know they were injured at all from
> the colloidal silver?  I doubt they were if they were using properly made
> CS...
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "David AuBuchon"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter
>
>
> Dude, I'm 100% with you, don't worry.  I just don't want to tell
> people there has never been an injury if it turns out there might have
> been 1 or 2.  It is still inconsequential, but I want to be completely
> honest and accurate.
>
> ~David
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Tel Tofflemire 


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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter

[David AuBuchon]

That is the obvious most likely scenario, but I'm just trying to do
due diligence and see if anyone has access to the study text to
confirm.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen  wrote:
> do we know if these 2 so called injuries were with the user using colloidal
> silver made properly?  do we even really know they were injured at all from
> the colloidal silver?  I doubt they were if they were using properly made
> CS...
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "David AuBuchon"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter
>
>
> Dude, I'm 100% with you, don't worry.  I just don't want to tell
> people there has never been an injury if it turns out there might have
> been 1 or 2.  It is still inconsequential, but I want to be completely
> honest and accurate.
>
> ~David
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:
>>
>> Wow 2 injuries out of Millions of Users? Guess I don't want to ride in a
>> car anymore? I see wreck reports every day in the newspaper. But I still
>> Drive my car. I also take my Daily dose of Colloidal Silver ! Do not Force
>> a CS scare on this site,, ... you will loose.
>>
>> Tel Tofflemire
>> Dewey, AZ.
>> 
>> From: David AuBuchon 
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:30 PM
>> Subject: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?
>>
>> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
>> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere. Is anyone able
>> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>>
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ~David
>>
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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter

[Mike Winslow-Hansen]

do we know if these 2 so called injuries were with the user using colloidal 
silver made properly?  do we even really know they were injured at all from 
the colloidal silver?  I doubt they were if they were using properly made 
CS...



- Original Message - 
From: "David AuBuchon" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter


Dude, I'm 100% with you, don't worry.  I just don't want to tell
people there has never been an injury if it turns out there might have
been 1 or 2.  It is still inconsequential, but I want to be completely
honest and accurate.

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:

Wow 2 injuries out of Millions of Users? Guess I don't want to ride in a
car anymore? I see wreck reports every day in the newspaper. But I still
Drive my car. I also take my Daily dose of Colloidal Silver ! Do not Force
a CS scare on this site,, ... you will loose.

Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

From: David AuBuchon 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:30 PM
Subject: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere. Is anyone able
to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation

Thanks,
~David


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[Mike Winslow-Hansen]

 I've used silver for over 12 years, and i would say I love it I know there 
is people paid to do the fear mongering out there ,sad that most people are 
gullible enough to believe them because they are missing out on good health 
with CS... 
I know CS has to be made properly and if it is don't worry about it..enjoy the 
health benefits...
 



- Original Message - 
  From: Tel Tofflemire 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter


  Wow 2 injuries out of Millions of Users?  Guess I don't want to ride in a car 
anymore? I see wreck reports every day in the newspaper.  But I still Drive my 
car.  I also take my Daily dose of Colloidal Silver !  Do not Force a CS scare 
on this site,, ... you will loose.

  Tel Tofflemire
  Dewey, AZ.


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  From: David AuBuchon 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:30 PM
  Subject: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

  Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
  I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
  to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?

  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation

  Thanks,
  ~David


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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

[Mike Winslow-Hansen]

yes there is people paid to stop a good thingwoe to them...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?


  I don't know about the others, but Fung is an FDA anti-silver hit-man  I have 
read one of his reports and it is misleading and deceptive in the manner the 
data is manipulated and presented.  


  On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Marshall  wrote:

These abstracts look suspicious.  They claim high levels of silver in the 
body, but that is hardly even possible with CS which is going to be 20 ppm or 
less.  I suspect that he was not taking colloidal silver at all, but some 
silver compound, which they are claiming is colloidal silver.

Marshall


On 8/14/2011 4:32 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

  Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:

  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504

  ~David

  On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon
wrote:

Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation

Thanks,
~David


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[Bob Banever]

These reports are patently false, misleading, or outright lies.  That being 
said, I have used homemade CS for years but decided to try SilverSol which 
is silver tetroxide.  I had a case of food poisoning that came on very 
suddenly.  I took 3 Tablespoonfuls at the first sign of symptoms (aches, 
feverish feeling very suddenly, slight nausea).  I took two more every hour 
for the next three but I felt almost 100% better within three hours of 
taking it.  I was amazed.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?


These abstracts look suspicious.  They claim high levels of silver in the 
body, but that is hardly even possible with CS which is going to be 20 ppm 
or less.  I suspect that he was not taking colloidal silver at all, but 
some silver compound, which they are claiming is colloidal silver.


Marshall

On 8/14/2011 4:32 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon
  wrote:

Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation

Thanks,
~David


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[David AuBuchon]

Dude, I'm 100% with you, don't worry.  I just don't want to tell
people there has never been an injury if it turns out there might have
been 1 or 2.  It is still inconsequential, but I want to be completely
honest and accurate.

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:
> Wow 2 injuries out of Millions of Users?  Guess I don't want to ride in a
> car anymore? I see wreck reports every day in the newspaper.  But I still
> Drive my car.  I also take my Daily dose of Colloidal Silver !  Do not Force
> a CS scare on this site,, ... you will loose.
>
> Tel Tofflemire
> Dewey, AZ.
> 
> From: David AuBuchon 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:30 PM
> Subject: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?
>
> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>
> Thanks,
> ~David
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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter

[Tel Tofflemire]

Wow 2 injuries out of Millions of Users?  Guess I don't want to ride in a car 
anymore? I see wreck reports every day in the newspaper.  But I still Drive my 
car.  I also take my Daily dose of Colloidal Silver !  Do not Force a CS scare 
on this site,, ... you will loose.
 
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.



From: David AuBuchon 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:30 PM
Subject: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation

Thanks,
~David


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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? No way ! (Reply)

[David AuBuchon]

Agreed.  I am just always opened minded to the possibility of an exception.

So it sounds like we have opinions about Bowen and Fung, who were the
authors of the link I accidentaly pasted!  The other links had to do
with the injuries.

@Tel : Homemade CS since age 10???  Wow.  Did you make it by
electrolysis back then?

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:
> I can not stand by and NoT answer this post ! This Bowen guy has the same
> name as the fruitcake that Sued Dr Clark, and lost!
> But he kept her busy and distracted for several years! He is a trouble maker
> funded by the big Cooperations that make Drugs.
> If the only side effect they can quote is Agra caused by CS then
> They are really stupid. I have used home made CS since I was 10 years old,
> and I am 71 now and still use it every day. I have a nice tan but Only my
> hear is slightly Grey! Do not worry about this post your nervous about,
> Millions of people are using CS without any side effects at all, It only
> benefits Their Health.
> Tel Tofflemire
> Dewey, AZ.
> 
> From: David AuBuchon 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?
>
> The reason I am entertaining them is because of quite recent
> dates...2004 and 2009.
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:32 PM, David AuBuchon
>  wrote:
>> Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:
>>
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504
>>
>> ~David
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon
>>  wrote:
>>> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
>>> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
>>> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>>>
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ~David
>>>
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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? No way ! (Reply)

[Tel Tofflemire]

I can not stand by and NoT answer this post ! This Bowen guy has the same name 
as the fruitcake that Sued Dr Clark, and lost!
But he kept her busy and distracted for several years! He is a trouble maker 
funded by the big Cooperations that make Drugs.

If the only side effect they can quote is Agra caused by CS then 
They are really stupid. I have used home made CS since I was 10 years old, and 
I am 71 now and still use it every day. I have a nice tan but Only my hear is 
slightly Grey! Do not worry about this post your nervous about, Millions of 
people are using CS without any side effects at all, It only benefits Their 
Health.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.



From: David AuBuchon 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

The reason I am entertaining them is because of quite recent
dates...2004 and 2009.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:32 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504
>
> ~David
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon
>  wrote:
>> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
>> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
>> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>>
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ~David
>>
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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

[Jim Holmes]

I don't know about the others, but Fung is an FDA anti-silver hit-man  I
have read one of his reports and it is misleading and deceptive in the
manner the data is manipulated and presented.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Marshall  wrote:

> These abstracts look suspicious.  They claim high levels of silver in the
> body, but that is hardly even possible with CS which is going to be 20 ppm
> or less.  I suspect that he was not taking colloidal silver at all, but some
> silver compound, which they are claiming is colloidal silver.
>
> Marshall
>
>
> On 8/14/2011 4:32 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>
>> Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:
>>
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/**pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/**pubmed/19729504
>>
>> ~David
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon
>>   wrote:
>>
>>> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
>>> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
>>> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>>>
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/**pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/**pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ~David
>>>
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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

[Marshall]

These abstracts look suspicious.  They claim high levels of silver in 
the body, but that is hardly even possible with CS which is going to be 
20 ppm or less.  I suspect that he was not taking colloidal silver at 
all, but some silver compound, which they are claiming is colloidal silver.


Marshall

On 8/14/2011 4:32 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon
  wrote:

Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation

Thanks,
~David


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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

[David AuBuchon]

Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>
> Thanks,
> ~David
>
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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

[David AuBuchon]

The reason I am entertaining them is because of quite recent
dates...2004 and 2009.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:32 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504
>
> ~David
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon
>  wrote:
>> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
>> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
>> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>>
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ~David
>>
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RE: CS>Using Electricity from Railroad Tracks / AA battery use.

[PTFerrance]

Thanks Dan.
PT

-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:09 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Using Electricity from Railroad Tracks / AA battery use.

Some people who have  done this have had an experience like that but
they were doing things like taping the electrodes on and sleeping
overnight with them.

This is the reason that it is recommended to switch the polarity (or
the electrodes) every 5 minutes.

Also, when the electrodes move a bit, it prevents this from happening.

Dan

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:30 PM, PTFerrance  wrote:
> Truthfully Dan, I know no one personally who has done this and I am afraid of 
> burning a hole in my finger!
> Silly I know.
> PT
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:14 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Using Electricity from Railroad Tracks / AA battery use.
>
> Just try it.  What are you waiting for?
>
> Dan
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:31 PM, PTFerrance  wrote:
>> Thanks, Lois.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you ever used it on a wart?
>>
>> PT
>>
>>
>>
>> From: zzekel...@aol.com [mailto:zzekel...@aol.com]
>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:55 PM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: Re: CS>Using Electricity from Railroad Tracks / AA battery use.
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/12/2011 11:12:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> ptf2...@bellsouth.net writes:
>>
>> How long were your treatments, Lois?  Or did you tape the battery to your
>> face while you slept or something like that so it would get constant
>> treatment?
>>
>> PT
>>
>> Hi PT, I used a piece of lamp wire & split it. Had about  a half inch of
>> bare wire on each end of a 5-6 inch section of wire. Soldered a piece to
>> each end of the double A battery ---wrapped a small piece of cotton cloth
>> around the other end of each wire... dipped the cloth in water --put the
>> cloth end of one wire inside my mouth as close to the abscess  as I could.
>> The other wire on the outside of my mouth over the swollen bone. I held them
>> there for about 5 mins. then switched the wire placement. { outside wire to
>> the inside & inside wire to the outside.} I held that for about 5 mins. ..
>> So each session was a total of 10 mins. . I did it morning & evening for 2
>> days. Before each session I soaked the inside with hydrogen peroxide for
>> about 2 mins.  & before I went to bed, I brushed my teeth with baking soda {
>> I never use tooth paste}  & rinsed my mouth with a Colloidal Silver & DMSO
>> mix... Haven't had a reoccurrence & never felt any of the current passing
>> through my jaw.. I haven't had use for the godzilla but have my 6 volt
>> battery & wires all set up if I need it... The Archive on the germkiller
>> site is a wealth of info.. Lois
>>
>> 
>>
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Re: CS>Using Electricity from Railroad Tracks / AA battery use.

[Dan Nave]

Some people who have  done this have had an experience like that but
they were doing things like taping the electrodes on and sleeping
overnight with them.

This is the reason that it is recommended to switch the polarity (or
the electrodes) every 5 minutes.

Also, when the electrodes move a bit, it prevents this from happening.

Dan

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:30 PM, PTFerrance  wrote:
> Truthfully Dan, I know no one personally who has done this and I am afraid of 
> burning a hole in my finger!
> Silly I know.
> PT
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:14 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Using Electricity from Railroad Tracks / AA battery use.
>
> Just try it.  What are you waiting for?
>
> Dan
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:31 PM, PTFerrance  wrote:
>> Thanks, Lois.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you ever used it on a wart?
>>
>> PT
>>
>>
>>
>> From: zzekel...@aol.com [mailto:zzekel...@aol.com]
>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:55 PM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: Re: CS>Using Electricity from Railroad Tracks / AA battery use.
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/12/2011 11:12:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> ptf2...@bellsouth.net writes:
>>
>> How long were your treatments, Lois?  Or did you tape the battery to your
>> face while you slept or something like that so it would get constant
>> treatment?
>>
>> PT
>>
>> Hi PT, I used a piece of lamp wire & split it. Had about  a half inch of
>> bare wire on each end of a 5-6 inch section of wire. Soldered a piece to
>> each end of the double A battery ---wrapped a small piece of cotton cloth
>> around the other end of each wire... dipped the cloth in water --put the
>> cloth end of one wire inside my mouth as close to the abscess  as I could.
>> The other wire on the outside of my mouth over the swollen bone. I held them
>> there for about 5 mins. then switched the wire placement. { outside wire to
>> the inside & inside wire to the outside.} I held that for about 5 mins. .
>> So each session was a total of 10 mins. . I did it morning & evening for 2
>> days. Before each session I soaked the inside with hydrogen peroxide for
>> about 2 mins.  & before I went to bed, I brushed my teeth with baking soda {
>> I never use tooth paste}  & rinsed my mouth with a Colloidal Silver & DMSO
>> mix... Haven't had a reoccurrence & never felt any of the current passing
>> through my jaw.. I haven't had use for the godzilla but have my 6 volt
>> battery & wires all set up if I need it... The Archive on the germkiller
>> site is a wealth of info.. Lois
>>
>> 
>>
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