Re: CSAny advice?

[olushola camara]

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:53 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote:

  Thanks… yet another theory.  It is all quite confusing.

 PT


Very little in the alternative health field is proven. However there is a
lot of circumstantial evidence available. Look at as much information as
possible to find the nexus of it all. Also know yourself inside out very
well because the truth of the matter is inside us.

Olushola

Re: CSAny advice?

[MaryAnn Helland]

David -- I had no problem finding Super Artemisinin, using Google, but when I 
type in Lipo CAN-Help -- all I come up with is Liposuction sites.  Where do I 
find information on that?  Thanks.
MA 





From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, September 11, 2011 10:08:27 PM
Subject: Re: CSAny advice?


I have a hundred suggestions.  Here are a handful:

Super artemisinin: 3 caps, twice a day, five days on, two days off, then 
repeat.  Take with a dab of coconut oil.

Lipo CAN-Help : 1 fl oz, three times a day

That is a meager start, that in my opinion has fair chance of taking care of it.

~David

Re: CSCS for swimming pools

[Ode Coyote]

http://www.amazon.com/Floatron-Natural-Cleaner-Algae-free-chemicals/dp/B000BBYEYG

Colloidal Copper solar powered pool device has been around since the 
early 70s


Ode

At 12:34 PM 9/11/2011 -0400, you wrote:
There are a number of alternatives. Try searching for bromine, salt water 
chlorination (the chlorine is on there for a few seconds inside the 
electrolysis unit), copper, algae bar, ozone, hydrogen peroxide, each 
along with swimming pool.


Marshall

On 9/10/2011 11:43 PM, Day Sutton wrote:
seems like I read about a system for swimming pools.   anyone have any 
info on this...My son just bought a house with a swimming pool and he is 
looking for alternatives to chlorine.


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Re: CSRe: OT - Hyaluronic acid Question

[Jane MacRoss]

How weird - I was told it was for rehydrating joints after restoring their 
joint linings with CMO - when I took it my nails improved too 

Jane

  From: Sandee George 


  Hi There to all - I have just received a pamphlet on the above as a tooth 
whitening product out of Australia - I have googled it and cannot understand 
why this would be used on teeth - can someone
  enlighten me ?   Thanks
  Sandee

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Re: CSRe: OT - Hyaluronic acid Question - 12 Sept

[Sandee George]

Hi There Jane that is exactly what I got from my google search, which  
is what prompted me to ask the question - the product uses peroxide  
for whitening the teeth which would in my book create a contra-action  
between the ingredients seeing as how peroxide damages the tissue of  
the skin, being in this case
the gums, however seeing as how I am not trained in all of this, I  
wanted to get a second opinion - thanks

Regards to all
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RE: CSAny advice?

[PTFerrance]

Here you go, MaryAnn.

 

http://www.healthyitems.com/Liposomal-CAN-HELP-p/601.16.htm

 

PT

 

From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:41 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSAny advice?

 

David -- I had no problem finding Super Artemisinin, using Google, but when
I type in Lipo CAN-Help -- all I come up with is Liposuction sites.  Where
do I find information on that?  Thanks.

MA 

 

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From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, September 11, 2011 10:08:27 PM
Subject: Re: CSAny advice?

I have a hundred suggestions.  Here are a handful:

 

Super artemisinin: 3 caps, twice a day, five days on, two days off, then
repeat.  Take with a dab of coconut oil.

 

Lipo CAN-Help : 1 fl oz, three times a day

 

That is a meager start, that in my opinion has fair chance of taking care of
it.

 

~David

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RE: CScs and Lyme disease

[Scott Adams]

My wife takes from 8 to 12 ounces a day of homemade CS. She also uses a
Meissner DP100 rife machine. She feels the two are keeping her Chronic Lyme
and Bartonella in remission.
 
Scott Adams
www.lyme-resource.com http://www.lyme-resource.com/ 
You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott
Adams 


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From: Rod Samuelson [mailto:rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CScs and Lyme disease



I got very few replies on using CS against Lyme.  More replies please.

 

Rod Samuelson
860-881-3734 cell
new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net


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From: Paul Steel [mailto:pste...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:54 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScs and Lyme disease

 

6 months

 

15-18 ppm when i made my own

 

Plus took meso silver for 3 months

 

I drank about 16 oz's a day on average

 

maybe helped a little bit

 

Paul Steel

h 508.520.6905

c 508.922.0519

Skype: steelbone72

The harder you work the luckier you get!

 

 


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From: Rodney Samuelson rsamuels...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:45 PM
Subject: CScs and Lyme disease

I have really started using CS and make my own using silver gen.  I want to
gather some data.  For those using it for Lyme disease only please comment.
What PPM  is the cs?  Do you feel like you have had real help against Lyme?
How many months did you take it to get some real help?  

 

 

Rod   samuelson

 

CSDesulfurizing

[Mike Monett]

To All,

Many people have commented on the drop in conductance after the brew
is finished.  It can be quite significant, and can reach 40%  to 60%
of the  original strength in the first 48 hours after the cs  is put
in storage.

This can greatly reduce the effectiveness of the cs, especially when
the silver ion concentration is marginal to begin with.

High Ion Concentration Is Needed

When the  cs is weak, and you are fighting  a  particularly virulent
Herpes Simplex  or Herpes Zoster virus, you can drink as much  cs as
you want and it will have little or no effect.

But if  you can raise the ion concentration to a true 20uS  or more,
the infections are quickly subdued. For example, please see  my post
to Sol  on 19 Oct 2004. Note that Sol also found that a  stronger cs
worked better  for  her as well. (The mail  archive  scrambles email
addresses, so please replace the (at) with @)

http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list(at)eskimo.com/msg76134.html

Silver Sulfide Tarnish
~~
I have  finally tracked down the cause of the  drop  in conductance,
and figured out how to to solve it.

The drop in conductance is caused by silver sulfide - plain ordinary
silver tarnish. Interestingly enough, it is also the reason  your cs
turns purple  when  you take sips from the  main  storage container,
instead of  transferring it to a smaller container. It is  caused by
the sulfur  ions  in  the solution, and not by  the  silver  ions as
everyone assumes.

Sulfur is everywhere in the environment. It is largely  generated in
automobile combustion  and  fossil fuel generating  plants.  It also
comes from  the  water traps in the kitchen  and  bathroom  sinks as
sewer gas, or hydrogen sulfide, H2S. [1]

Keep Your Plumbing Clean

You may  notice  an unpleasant odor sometimes when you  go  near the
kitchen sink. That is an indication it may be time to clean  out the
gunk and  old  food  debris that accumulates  on  the  walls  of the
downspout. I  use  an old coathanger with a small hook  bent  at one
end, and a small flashlight to show where the gunk is.

It takes  a bit of work to find all the gunk and knock  it  into the
trap. Flush  with water from time to time so you don't  end  up with
one gigantic  ball that can plug the pipe. When you  are  done, your
sink will thank you. It will drain much faster than before, and will
smell fresh and clean, at least for a few days. Doing it yourself is
a lot  better  than having to pay a plumber when  the  drain becomes
completely plugged.

If you  have a garbage disposal or a dishwasher, the situation  is a
bit more  complicated. It may require disassembling the  drain pipes
to remove  the  gunk.  This  is a messy  job,  but  well  within the
capability of a handy homeowner. Here are some links that can help:

http://www.freeplumbingtips.net/public_html/KitchensinkCDTS_1.htm

http://plumbing.about.com/od/drains/ss/Clearing-A-Clogged-Kitchen-Sink-Through-The-Trap.htm;

Keeping the  plumbing clean helps to minimize the  amount  of sulfur
generated from bacterial action, and helps to minimize the resulting
tarnish that forms on the silver electrodes of your cs generator.

Sulfur Chemistry

Sulfur loves to combine with silver. Anyone who has  silver utensils
knows how  hard  it is to keep them free of tarnish,  and  clean and
shiny. The chemistry is deceptively simple:

H2S + 2Ag -- Ag2S + H2 [2]

However, silver  tarnish is one of the most insoluble of  all silver
compounds. The solubility is only 8.5e-12 mg/L in water, which makes
it extremely difficult to remove. [3]

The film of tarnish does not have to be very thick to have  a severe
impact on the brewing process.

The ion concentrations we work with are so low that the tarnish film
can be completely invisible and still ruin your brew.

Cleaning Tarnished Coins
~
Coin collectors  use  a  simple  electrochemical  process  to remove
tarnish from silver coins using aluminum, baking soda and hot water.

Here is an example of how it works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij4QynD7Ao8

This relies  on  the  galvanic  action  of  aluminum  and  silver to
generate a  small  voltage  between the  silver  and  aluminum which
drives the reaction.

But we don't want to subject our silver electrodes to a  solution of
baking soda.  This  could  contaminate the  electrodes  and  be very
difficult to remove.

Instead, we  can  use our knowledge of silver chemistry  and  our cs
generator to  supply  the dc current needed  to  convert  the silver
sulfide back to silver.

To perform  this magic, cut a strip of aluminum foil an  inch  or so
wide and  place  it in the generator so it  is  halfway  between the
electrodes. Fill  the container with dw, and if you have a  Hanna or
COM-100, measure the conductance of the water.

Now connect  the  positive terminal of your supply  to  the aluminum
foil, and  the  negative terminal to both  

RE: CSDesulfurizing

[Neville Munn]

This is the first clear confirmation I've heard regarding the two distinct 
types of EIS/CS! - Oils ain't just oils!  or EIS/CS ain't just EIS/CS!
 
And this is why if I consider a particular health issue needs to be hit hard 
and fast, I use rainwater, and for two reasons, a) production is rapid, and b) 
I get a far higher total silver concentration in the form of ions...but it must 
be consumed in the morning hours, and if I consider it necessary, a second 
batch is produced and consumed in the afternoon hours before retiring for the 
night.  And this is continued for several days if necessary.
 
Thank You Mr Monett.
 
N.
 

 From: armor@gishpuppy.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:38:35 -0400
 Subject: CSDesulfurizing
 
 To All,
 
 Many people have commented on the drop in conductance after the brew
 is finished. It can be quite significant, and can reach 40% to 60%
 of the original strength in the first 48 hours after the cs is put
 in storage.
 
 This can greatly reduce the effectiveness of the cs, especially when
 the silver ion concentration is marginal to begin with.
 
 High Ion Concentration Is Needed
 
 When the cs is weak, and you are fighting a particularly virulent
 Herpes Simplex or Herpes Zoster virus, you can drink as much cs as
 you want and it will have little or no effect.
 
 But if you can raise the ion concentration to a true 20uS or more,
 the infections are quickly subdued. 

Re: CSRe: OT - Hyaluronic acid Question - 12 Sept

[phoenix23002 tds.net]

Sandee...  Jane is so right and this sounds so bizarro..lol..  I take
HA and it is super for joint pain, skin tone, wrinkles and such.  I
can't imagine the purpose of mixing Hydrogen Peroxide and HA for
what?? After brushing my teeth,  I often hold hydrogen peroxide in my
mouth for 15 - 30 seconds (isn't harmful, just don't swallow) to kill
germs.  I bet this stuff is expensive, right?  You can buy HA outright
from vitacost and drugstore 3% hydrogen peroxide (just get the one
that has no preservatives) for cheap.   Lola

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote:
 Hi There Jane that is exactly what I got from my google search, which is
 what prompted me to ask the question - the product uses peroxide for
 whitening the teeth which would in my book create a contra-action between
 the ingredients seeing as how peroxide damages the tissue of the skin, being
 in this case
 the gums, however seeing as how I am not trained in all of this, I wanted to
 get a second opinion - thanks
 Regards to all
 Sandee
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CSheel spurs

[Kathy Tankersley]

Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment did 
you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  Any help is greatly 
appreciated.  Thands,Kathy

Re: CSheel spurs

[Tel Tofflemire]

I get them too, But I always use a very strong Calcium ,  It works well if you 
take enough.  I recommend Shaklee Brand because they have one brand that works 
the best.  PS. =
(I am not a member or affiliated with Shaklee in any way)
 
Tel Tofflemire
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From: Kathy Tankersley babychicks...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:42 PM
Subject: CSheel spurs


 
Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If 
so, what kind of treatment did you use?  My daughter has them and they are 
miserable.  Any help is greatly appreciated.  
Thands,Kathy

RE: CSheel spurs

[PTFerrance]

Acupuncture and microcurrent are helpful for heel spurs for some people.

PT

 

From: Kathy Tankersley [mailto:babychicks...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:42 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSheel spurs

 

Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment
did you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  Any help is
greatly appreciated.  Thands,Kathy

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Re: CSheel spurs

[Trem]

I found orthotics many years ago and never looked further.

Trem




On 9/12/2011 5:25 PM, PTFerrance wrote:


Acupuncture and microcurrent are helpful for heel spurs for some people.

PT

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*Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2011 7:42 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* CSheel spurs

Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of 
treatment did you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  
Any help is greatly appreciated.  Thands,Kathy




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Re: CSheel spurs

[Bob Banever]

Kathy,

Acupuncture is a wonderful therapy for them, especially for the pain and 
inflammatory process.  Herbal patches from Wei Laboratories (Whitee Patches I 
believe they are called) will also not only help with the pain but to actually 
cure them.

   Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:42 PM
  Subject: CSheel spurs


  Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment did 
you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  Any help is greatly 
appreciated.  Thands,Kathy

Re: CSheel spurs

[Jane MacRoss]

I understood that Calcium's lack of absorption by the body was one of the 
CAUSES of bony spurs / anywhere in the body

Most Americans seem hooked on Calcium whereas other nations understand that 
Magnesium is needed in large doses to assist the utilization of excess Calcium 
+  the daily calcium content found in a normal diet 

Jane
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tel Tofflemire 


  I get them too, But I always use a very strong Calcium ,  It works well if 
you take enough.  I recommend Shaklee Brand because they have one brand that 
works the best.  PS. =
  (I am not a member or affiliated with Shaklee in any way)

  Tel Tofflemire
  Dewey, AZ.


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  From: Kathy Tankersley babychicks...@gmail.com

  Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment did 
you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  Any help is greatly 
appreciated.  Thands,Kathy

RE: CSheel spurs

[PTFerrance]

I read that bone spurs are caused by the body taking calcium out of bones
because it needs it to function.  Once it is in the blood stream it lands
where it lands.  

PT

 

From: Jane MacRoss [mailto:highfie...@internode.on.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:20 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSheel spurs

 

I understood that Calcium's lack of absorption by the body was one of the
CAUSES of bony spurs / anywhere in the body

 

Most Americans seem hooked on Calcium whereas other nations understand that
Magnesium is needed in large doses to assist the utilization of excess
Calcium +  the daily calcium content found in a normal diet 

 

Jane

- Original Message - 

From: Tel Tofflemire mailto:telt...@yahoo.com  

 

I get them too, But I always use a very strong Calcium ,  It works well if
you take enough.  I recommend Shaklee Brand because they have one brand that
works the best.  PS. =

(I am not a member or affiliated with Shaklee in any way)

 

Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.


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From: Kathy Tankersley babychicks...@gmail.com

Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment
did you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  Any help is
greatly appreciated.  Thands,Kathy

 

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Re: CSheel spurs

[Jane MacRoss]

It is quite complex  I can't immediately put my hand on rationale to say other 
wise . I just know all American argue about the need for  balance of the 
Magnesium / Calcium requirements besides it is possible that different 
countries have different deficiencies in their soils / Australia on average is 
deficient in Magnesium.

Lots of great info in the NutritionCare Practitioners' Manual about the 
absorption of Calcium - but too tired now to copy it out for you

Best,  :))
  - Original Message - 
  From: PTFerrance 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:28 PM
  Subject: RE: CSheel spurs


  I read that bone spurs are caused by the body taking calcium out of bones 
because it needs it to function.  Once it is in the blood stream it lands where 
it lands.  

  PT

   

  From: Jane MacRoss [mailto:highfie...@internode.on.net] 
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:20 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSheel spurs

   

  I understood that Calcium's lack of absorption by the body was one of the 
CAUSES of bony spurs / anywhere in the body

   

  Most Americans seem hooked on Calcium whereas other nations understand that 
Magnesium is needed in large doses to assist the utilization of excess Calcium 
+  the daily calcium content found in a normal diet 

   

  Jane

- Original Message - 

From: Tel Tofflemire 

 

I get them too, But I always use a very strong Calcium ,  It works well if 
you take enough.  I recommend Shaklee Brand because they have one brand that 
works the best.  PS. =

(I am not a member or affiliated with Shaklee in any way)

 

Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.




From: Kathy Tankersley babychicks...@gmail.com

Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment 
did you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  Any help is greatly 
appreciated.  Thands,Kathy

 


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Re: CSheel spurs

[Hanneke]

A good reference on this would be Dr. Carolyn Dean. Google would
provide the references.

At 01:59 PM 13/09/2011, you wrote:
It is
quite complex  I can't immediately put my hand on rationale to say
other wise . I just know all American argue about the need for 
balance of the Magnesium / Calcium requirements besides it is possible
that different countries have different deficiencies in their soils /
Australia on average is deficient in Magnesium.

Lots of great info in the NutritionCare
Practitioners' Manual about the absorption of Calcium - but too tired now
to copy it out for you

Best, :))


- Original Message - 

From: PTFerrance 

To:
silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:28 PM

Subject: RE: CSheel spurs

I read that bone spurs are caused by the body taking calcium out of
bones because it needs it to function. Once it is in the blood
stream it lands where it lands. 

PT



From: Jane MacRoss
[
mailto:highfie...@internode.on.net] 

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:20 PM

To:
silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CSheel spurs



I understood that Calcium's lack of absorption by the body was one of
the CAUSES of bony spurs / anywhere in the body



Most Americans seem hooked on Calcium whereas other nations
understand that Magnesium is needed in large doses to assist the
utilization of excess Calcium + the daily calcium content found in
a normal diet 



Jane


- Original Message - 

From: Tel Tofflemire 



I get them too, But I always use a very strong Calcium , It
works well if you take enough. I recommend Shaklee Brand because
they have one brand that works the best. PS. =

(I am not a member or affiliated with Shaklee in any way)



Tel Tofflemire

Dewey, AZ.



From: Kathy Tankersley
babychicks...@gmail.com


Has anyone had experience with heel spurs? If so, what kind of
treatment did you use? My daughter has them and they are
miserable. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thands,Kathy






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Re: CSheel spurs

[Jane MacRoss]

Yes I have her book . :))
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hanneke 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:48 PM
  Subject: Re: CSheel spurs


  A good reference on this would be Dr. Carolyn Dean.  Google would provide the 
references.


  At 01:59 PM 13/09/2011, you wrote:

It is quite complex  I can't immediately put my hand on rationale to say 
other wise . I just know all American argue about the need for  balance of 
the Magnesium / Calcium requirements besides it is possible that different 
countries have different deficiencies in their soils / Australia on average is 
deficient in Magnesium.
 
Lots of great info in the NutritionCare Practitioners' Manual about the 
absorption of Calcium - but too tired now to copy it out for you
 
Best,  :))

  - Original Message - 

  From: PTFerrance 

  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:28 PM

  Subject: RE: CSheel spurs


  I read that bone spurs are caused by the body taking calcium out of bones 
because it needs it to function.  Once it is in the blood stream it lands where 
it lands.  

  PT



  From: Jane MacRoss [ mailto:highfie...@internode.on.net] 

  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:20 PM

  To: silver-list@eskimo.com

  Subject: Re: CSheel spurs



  I understood that Calcium's lack of absorption by the body was one of the 
CAUSES of bony spurs / anywhere in the body



  Most Americans seem hooked on Calcium whereas other nations understand 
that Magnesium is needed in large doses to assist the utilization of excess 
Calcium +  the daily calcium content found in a normal diet 



  Jane

- Original Message - 

From: Tel Tofflemire 



I get them too, But I always use a very strong Calcium ,  It works well 
if you take enough.  I recommend Shaklee Brand because they have one brand that 
works the best.  PS. =

(I am not a member or affiliated with Shaklee in any way)



Tel Tofflemire

Dewey, AZ.



From: Kathy Tankersley babychicks...@gmail.com 

Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of 
treatment did you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  Any help 
is greatly appreciated.  Thands,Kathy






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