Re: CSVoltage
CWFugitt wrote: Morning Keith, At 11:32 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote: You missed a lot of technical messages about all this a few months ago. IF you were using the right mailer or the key MBX format, I would send you many thousands of messages on a CD. My question is this..If the milliamps are so low then why do they recommend 27 to 31vdc? I can get the same milliamps using a 6volt 300milliamp transformer as I can with the 30volt 1000milliamp transformer. What am I missing with the voltage issue? You need to understand that 1 ma at 6 volts is not then same as 1 ma at 12 volts, 18 volts, 24 volts or 52 volts. This applies not only to CS but to all circuits. It is a basic fact of Ohms Law and understanding power ( or Wattage ). No power, no watts, no work. You could think of it as a measurement of the work done in any circuit. In time, I think you will understand it better. I mentioned Wattage Factor a few years back, and no one said a single word. Within the last year, one or two of the list experts agreed with me. There is a wattage factor being dissipated in your CS batch. It varies with both current and voltage. And the conductivity ( or resistance ) of the batch. Apply 100 VDC to 1 ma and see what happens. The batch will complete much faster. This is not usually the goal, especially for the beginner. At a later time, when you may make a gallon at a batch, it becomes more important. At 6 volts, 1 ma ( .001 ) is .006 watts At 52 Volts, 1 ma ( ,001 ) is .052 watts So, you see the difference. You might as well go ahead and study Ohms Law a little or you will continue to remain confused. grin There are lots of more technical stuff relating to the weight of the silver added to the water that you will become interested in later. You must consider that our lists largest silver maker uses 100 VDC or maybe it is 110 VDC. He does not do this just because he likes round numbers. You will get another answer or two that may explain this better for you than I did. Actually, I think you could use from 1 VDC up to 100, 200, or more. The key is how you harness this power and not allow it to take control of the batch. Likely the current limiting diodes you use will work with a range of voltage. Of course I do not want a constant current device because the LED will not work and tell me the things that it does if the current varies. The key is limiting the maximum current and not getting a run away batch. I don't recall ever doing this and ruining a batch with over current. Of course a circuit could be made to limit the current high, but not during the batch. It could also serve as an automatic cut off. Never fear, mans hands can make anything his mind can dream up. My goal one day if to build a computer controlled CS system that prints a log every minute or even every 30 seconds, and displays the progress, and all data on the screen. Likely it would be no better than I make with a cheap CS generator. Remember, Mans mind is a fantastic control system within itself. Of course it has to be trained and programmed a bit. Wayne The real question to me is this: If you start with 6v and 1ma CC, do you produce the same quality cs as a system using 30+ volts and the same CC? Assume here we stop at the same conductivity. Are the particles smaller? Is more silver oxide generated using lower voltage. My guess is that the quality is better with the higher voltage. The particles are smaller and less oxides.Has anyone specifically experimented with these ideas? Fred -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS Lugol's Iodine Solution
Hi, I've seen lots of posts on where to get Lugol's but nothing on how to use it say to treat an under active thyroid t speed metabolism. Any info would be appreciated. Fred Tel Tofflemire wrote: I made a typo, sorry.. *http://www.quailwoodherbal.com* http://www.quailwoodherbal.com/ Try this is correct tel tofflemire */Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp/* wrote: Won't open on my browser, Tel. On Saturday, Jun 9, 2007, at 23:35 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote: http://www.qualewoodherbal.com Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#news in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#news
Re: CSdistilled water
Hi ALl, I seem to get the most consistently good DW from Poland Springs. It cost a little more (~$1.75/gal) but it's usually ~1/2-1uS. The super market has in here in Iowa. Fred scl...@netzero.com wrote: In my neck of the woods Walmart changed distilled water suppliers and the last batch read 14ppm on my PWT meter. Unusable, for CS. Check before you use. Niagara was the last company in CA that was used by Walmart for DW. That was good stuff at .3ppm. I guess it varies by state. Steve -- Cathryn Camara surffc...@yahoo.com wrote: The best two places to get distilled water, are from Walmart and Walgreens. I've learned that from buying distilled water from the grocery store. It's not the same. Cathy Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSdistilled water
Hi, The Smart Silver CS generator actually measures the conductivity of the DW to determine the shut-off time . It also takes into account the impurities in the DW at the beginning of the brew cycle so that it can add 13 PPM ionic silver to the liquid every time. This greatly stabilizes the amount of silver added with a wide variation in input DW quality. I'm certainly not advocating anyone using tap water or high impurity DW to generate CS. Far from it, get good pure DW stock to make CS. Further, It's not my intention to make a commercial announcement here but this is one of the unique features of the CS Gen we make. Regards, Fred sol wrote: Why not purchase a home distiller? I usually have to double distill to get water pure enough to make clear CS, which I prefer. Or I have the option to purchase DW from the store and distill that DW. Usually I can keep up with demand here, and double distill our tap water. I think making CS with well or tap water is not the best idea for daily use. OK for emergencies, but I would not want to use it for my daily intake of CS. While argryia is only cosmetic, I still don't want to turn grey. Plus I want my CS to be clear, and about 85% ionic, 15% particulate. Which is supposedly what good homemade CS starting from good quality distilled water will average. Yes, with an automatic shut off generator, the higher the ppm of the DW you start with, the lower the actual ppm of silver content you will have at shut off. In addition to the risk of argryia with tap or well water, you also (my opinion) will have a less effective finished product as you will be making more large particles and very little ionic silver. Someone correct me if that is not accurate. Effectiveness is relative of course, so far as I am aware, all CS is effective to some degree, I want to make the most effective product I can, with the least risk of argryia. So I use good distilled water. sol Jean Baugh wrote: I'd rather use plain water than to distill water to use unless there is a problem with plain water. Didn't someone post over this list about making CS from stream water in the 3rd world? If the ppm is raised in distilled water, won't this amount to a lesser ppm of CS before an automatic machine cuts off? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
Re: CSAny techies left?
Hi All, I don't have the previous postings but the value of 1-2 milliamps/Sq In is a good place be when designing electrodes and current densities. Having said that, do be careful with the shape of the electrodes. Any discontinuities, such as the edges of a silver strip, are sure to draw more current than the surrounding metal and blow you current density calculations. Use a nice cylindrical (round wire) for best performance. Arnold, are you related to Alvine Beland of AtlasNova fame? That's where we get our silver wire as do a lot of generator MFGs. Are you designing a new system? Regards, Fred CWFugitt wrote: Evening Arnold, At 04:34 PM 5/1/2007, you wrote: A figure of nine microamperes per square millimeter is lodged somewhere in my brain but I can't remember how we arrived at that. Has anyone kept a record of these postings? Few of us have all the messages. I have many thousands. If you have a subject line, or a unique phrase, I can find them in short order. And there are a few techies left. But few of us have a micro amp meter. I would hope you have milliamps and micro amps mixed up. I could likely rig a micro amp measurement using some of my $100 digital panel meters if I thought it to be that important. You can make excellent CS and never measure micro amps. Few people even measure milliamps. How much are you measuring at the present? Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS video
Hi Terry, I felt the same way as you did Terry. It would have been more convincing to me if their research compared their product to the EIS made from a competent CS generator. Now that would be interesting. One point they made was that the size of particles was not so important as direct contact of a pathogen and silver was unnecessary. He said something about the frequency emitted by their nanoparticles was sufficient to produce results without contact. OK, whatever. I'd sure like to peruse his patient and see more on that effect. Do you know the name of the company/entity holding the patients? Fred Terry Chamberlin wrote: Dee said, Excellent video and very convincing, although it would make people wary of other products other than the one being sold That was my complaint. The speaker manipulated the audiences impressions. He never SAID that all other products were dangerous or ineffective, but he implied it (plausible deniability). He started right off by defining 'ionic' as a chemical process, which CAN be accurate. But, in fact, 'ionic' simply means a particle with a charge, whether caused by a chemical or electric process (as we do). From that point on, I knew not to trust him, as he either was not the authority he claimed to be, or else he was in fact deliberately misleading his audience, which he was. He made the distinct point that everybody else but them uses DC electricity to brew their CS, then referred to 'ionic' as coming from a chemical process, which would NOT be a DC process. The great effort he made to cause the unscientific to come to the conclusions he wanted them to (that their product was fundamentally different than and superior to anything else on the planet) did more to convince me that, were my product (or almost anyone else's) to have been that used in their testing, the results would have been similar. If I had the money to buy EPA officials, I could do what they are doing (they are owned, in fact, by Clifton Silver Mines). It was the same ole Barnum Bailey type of marketing, conning the gullible, taking advantage of the listeners ignorance and lack of familiarity with the subject to misguide (deceive) them into coming to the right conclusions, promising wonderous results and threatening dire consequences for even considering the competitions products. The ole Carrot Stick ploy. To have to resort to this kind of marketing hype convinces me of the validity of our own home-made stuff even more. Methinks Thou Dost Protest too much (or too dishonestly). Terry chamberlin Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
CSUsing CS
Hi All, I saw Roger Royal's post and it reminded me of a question about my own experience with CS. I don't take CS regularly, only when I feel something coming on like a cold. Usually, that's all it takes; nipping it in the bud so to speak. If I do end up getting a cold, flu etc and continue to use shots of CS thruout the day (holding under the toung, nebulizing and misting) I have a different experience of being ill. Instead of being in bed resting like most, I seem to have some symptoms of the malady (runny nose, sneezing, sore throat) but I feel good enough to continue working and living semi-normal life. Is this the type of experience others are having or am I missing something in my method ingestion?? Fred -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
