Re: CS>Late stage last-ditch cancer therapy
Jonathan B. Britten wrote on 5/15/2007, 9:07 PM: > I am inquiring on behalf of a person near to death. Has anyone on > this list seen any remarkable recoveries or spontaneous remissions > with use of large quantities of EIS? I am familiar with R.0. > Becker's amazing research, but that did not include cancer treatment > or internal consumption of EIS. Hi Jonathan. Although to my knowledge, Dr. Becker did no studies on someone in the last stages of cancer, his research findings did show that silver ions dedifferentiate cancer cells back to healthy ones. http://www.silvergen.com/cancer_and_silver.htm Can your friend still eat and drink? Because, in addition to EIS/CS, I heard on the news sometime back about a young man who cured his terminal cancer by just eating apple seeds, and others have had success with the Budwig Diet (based on flax seed oil and cottage cheese). I was also in touch with a woman a while back who cured herself of cancer by taking baths with hydrogen peroxide added. And there is a group on Yahoo about oralperoxide or ozone (don't remember the name) that I used to be on that was run by Dr. Sol, who seemed to swear by ozone saunas regardless of the stage of cancer. Here's this too: Snipped From - http://www.cancertutor.com/index.html "A "Stage IV" cancer should only be treated with the most potent of the alternative cancer treatments. These patients are in a very dangerous situation and time is critical, thus their treatment should be among the strongest. *** The current list of "Stage IV" treatments are the following (in alphabetical order): 1) Amazon Factor (**), 2) Bill Henderson Protocol (*/**), 3) Bob Beck Protocol (*/++), 4) Brandt Grape Cure using red, purple or black grapes (*/++), 5) Cesium Chloride and DMSO (*/**), 6) DPT - DMSO Potentiation Therapy (*/***) – used only with IPT, 7) Hydrazine Sulfate (*/**) – for Cachexia patients only, 8) IPT - Insulin Potentiation Therapy (*/***) (best if used with DPT), 9) IVC - Intravenous Vitamin C Therapy (*/***), 10) Ozone infusion bottle (*/***), 11) Ozone liquid I.V. (*/***), 12) Ozone RHP (i.e. Ozone gas I.V.) (*/**) Codes: * - These are treatments for which there is an article on this website, ** - These are treatments for which there is expert telephone support from the vendor, ++ - Technical support comes from Cancer Tutor, *** - These are treatments that are generally given only at clinics [see http://www.cancertutor.com for more] I hope this helps your friend somehow. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>
Hi Jessie - I just sent you a fairly long response from Poison Control off-list. Hope you got it. If not let me know. Jodi jessie70 wrote on 5/12/2007, 2:57 PM: many of you seem so knowledgeable. Does anyone have a suggestion to give a dog who has possibly eating ant poison? Thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Estheticians and Healthworkers
Hi Doris - I guess you could consider me a healthworker, since I've been trained by Children's Hospital to take care of a kid with a tracheostomy and gastrostomy and have to keep things sterile. I use store-bought 3% hydrogen peroxide to sterilize everything. I would imagine CS/EIS would work, but you'd have to keep the instruments immersed in the CS for 6 minutes, since that's how long it took in laboratory testing to kill various germs with CS, from what I've read. In my opinion though, probably peroxide (or alcohol?) would be best for metal instruments. Hope this helps. Jodi Cinder Ella wrote on 5/10/2007, 8:35 PM: Anyone who is out there who is a healthcare worker or an esthetician, has anyone been using CS/EIS for "sterilizing" their manicure pedicure instruments? Would this work? Considering it is anti bacterial/fungal/viral? Has anyone done any experimentation on facials and CS/EIS? Has anyone ever done any empirical testing on instruments after cleansing with CS/EIS? Doris -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>apology
Hi Kathryn - May I ask why you think Dee owes Janet an apology? Janet said a couple of things to Dee that seemed rude to me. Remember that "tsk, tsk" statement, or her accusing Dee of twisting her words, twice, when she didn't? I didn't think any of that was warranted. Jodi Clayton Family wrote on 5/10/2007, 2:52 PM: > Janet unsubbed, so she did not get your apology. Maybe you could send > it you her personal email. She has a valuable point of view, and it > would be nice if she could consider resubbing. > > Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Food as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You
I thought that accusation was very strange Dee. And she said it more than once too! You didn't twist anything Dear. Jodi Dee wrote on 5/10/2007, 10:48 AM: > I am baffled. How did I do that? I was only asking a question as far > as I am aware. Dee > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Garnet > Date: 10/05/2007 14:01:50 > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Food as Medicine - Antioxidants Good or Bad For You > > > Dee was twisting the point of the discussion again. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Supplement -v- Drugs
ekowal...@aol.com wrote on 5/9/2007, 11:34 PM: > Chicken soup > is used for colds therapeutically but the body rarely produces chicken > soup internally. That's funny. [grin] Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Melamine chemical reaction in pet food recall (OT)
Garnet wrote on 5/7/2007, 9:17 AM: > Even BHT is a good antioxidant and does not actually cause cancer -- > give enough of anything to a lab rat bred to get cancer and well, it > gets cancer. I use BHT therapeutically to kill herpes, any envelope > virus actually. Hi Janet - The Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) advises that we should avoid BHA and BHT altogether, so wouldn't colloidal silver and/or hydrogen peroxide be a better and safer bet? I'm wondering why you would use BHT at all, when we have silver? My close friend had a herpes outbreak which she confided in me about and she told me the silver I gave her, along with the h202 she used, made it start to go away as soon as she started using it. Pretty impressive I though. Here's something else I just found, which also confirms the cancer connection. From http://www.sweetpoison.com/food-additives-to-avoid.html BHA & BHT These two closely related chemicals are added to oil-containing foods to prevent oxidation and retard rancidity. The International Agency for Research on Cancer, part of the World Health Organization, consider BHA to be possibly carcinogenic to humans, and the State of California has listed it as a carcinogen. Some studies show the same cancer causing possibilities for BHT. BHT and BHA are totally unnecessary. To avoid them read the label. Because of the possibility that BHT and BHA might cause cancer, both should be phased out of our food supply. To play it safe, phase them out of your diet. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Melamine chemical reaction in pet food recall (OT)
Garnet wrote on 5/9/2007, 7:19 AM: > Huh, "best" -- now you are taking my word and twisting them Dee. Tsk, > tsk, this makes your position look very weak if you have to resort to > those sort of tactics. Better back that bus up cause it's not helping > your credibility in this discussion. No offense, Janet, but I didn't think that Dee's position was weak, at all. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Pet Food
Wendy wrote on 5/9/2007, 5:51 PM: [snipped] > This new dog was chewing a bone I had given him - roughly a 10" > curved beef rib bone. 10" and he was fine? Amazing. But, was it a raw bone, Wendy? Thanks. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Pet Food
Thank you Dee. :-) Dee wrote on 5/9/2007, 12:48 PM: > Hi Jodie, I'm no expert but you are fine with any raw bones. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Pet Food
Thank you Barbara. Barbara wrote on 5/9/2007, 11:06 AM: [snipped] Jodi, I'm definitely not an expert but I feed my Chihuahuas raw meat and bones for 9 years. Juat want to say that only raw bones are safe as they do not splinter. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw Feeding for Pets
Thank you for all of that. :-) s...@emotap.com wrote on 5/9/2007, 11:31 AM: > I wanted to post this to the Off Topic list, but am instead replying > to the list as that is where this topic was generated. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Pet Food
Uh oh. I was told raw bones were good. Can one of the experts here on raw feeding tell me for sure if they are okay or not? I've been giving my dog raw chicken legs along with some Pedigree canned and it seems he's been doing fine on them, but.? Jodi Garnet wrote on 5/9/2007, 9:24 AM: > Bones can cause problems for dogs. Even the raw feeding lists will tell > you this. If you have a dog that bolts its food be very careful about > introducing bones. They can kill. > > Janet > > Pat wrote: > > Oh, I agree that organic meat surely would be the best diet for a > dog. It's just that my dog was so messed up when I was feeding > itmaybe she didn't chew the bones enough. Then a vet tech told me > that where she worked, they'd done several surgeries to remove bone > which was causing a blockage. She won't feed bones of any kind to her > dogs. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: SO>CS: re food nutrients
Harold MacDonald wrote on 5/7/2007, 5:19 PM: > In the US Library of Congress there is a document that was filed in > the mid 1930s;'34/'35/'36 by a Congessional commission that stated > that the food being grown as of that time was very deficient in > nutritive value and it was imperative that a drastic change in farming > methods be made. It's called Senate Document 264, which was presented to the 2nd Session of the 74th Congress in 1936. > Was anything done???very little if any change because chemical > fertilizers were so much cheaper.Consequently the food is sorely in > need of something,and I see it as supplementing.There is no way I can > eat enough fresh,raw foods to get the right amount of nutrients.How > else do you explain the poor health of so many people,the huge cost to > the medical system? Right on Harold. Touche' > At one time an apple a day kept the Dr. away,now it would take 26 > apples a day to do it. > I had the link to said document but lost it some years ago when my > comp. died. There were a couple parts of this document that blew my mind when I read it, because back then, I didn't know as much about the effects of nutritional deficencies. I'll never forget the part about the research done on mice, or what was said about spinach. The full document can be read here: http://www.crystal-loid.com/264/sen264.htm [Just keep clicking 'next' at the bottom right after reading each page.] Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS gel
Carol Ann wrote on 5/6/2007, 5:41 PM: Jimson weed is both used by witches to "fly" Hey Ode, Airline tickets are getting rather expensive these days, not to mention what a harassment Home land security is. So, where do I get Jimson weed? :) [LOL] [grin] Thanks for the laugh Carol Anne. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>RE: CS gel /Chlorine Bleach
Dee, I think you've got it right. Chlorine bleach is highly toxic and has been linked to cancer, artherosclerosis, asthma, disrupting the endocrine system (hormones), and more. We'd be alot better off if they used silver or ozone (maybe even hydrogen peroxide?) to disinfect our water supply. Someone here mentioned bathing in chlorine bleach. [Yikes] Not good. Don't do it folks. From http://www.internethealthlibrary.com/Environmental-Health/Chlorine-and-cancer.htm Environmental Health Issues Water Cancer & Chlorine Is the chlorine in our drinking water acting as catalyst triggering tumor development both in atherosclerosis and cancer? The addition of chlorine to our drinking water started in the late 1890âs and had wide acceptance in the United States by 1920. Joseph Price, M. D, wrote a fascinating yet largely ignored book in the late 1960âs, entitled Coronaries Cholesterol. Chlorine, Dr Price believes, is the primary and essential cause of atherosclerosis is chlorine. "Nothing can negate the incontrovertible fact the basic cause of atherosclerosis and resulting entities, such as heart attacks and most common forms of stokes is chlorine. The chlorine contained in processed drinking water." (1) This conclusion is based on experiments using chlorine in the drinking water of chickens. The results: 95% of the chickens given chlorine added to distilled water developed atherosclerosis within a few months. Atherosclerosis, heart attacks and the resulting problems of hardening of the arteries and plaque formation is really the last step in a series of biochemical malfunctions. Price points out it takes ten to twenty years before symptoms in humans become evident In many ways, this is reminiscent of cancer which can take twenty to thirty years to develop. Can chlorine be linked to cancer too? In the chlorination process itself, chlorine combines with natural organic matter decaying vegetation to form potent cancer causing trihalomethanes (THMâs) or haloforms. Trihalomethanes collectively include such carcinogens as chloroforms, bromoforms carbon tectachloride, bischlorothane and others. The amount of THMâs in our drinking water is theoretically regulated by the EPA. Although the maximum amount allowed by law is 100 ppb, a 1976 study showed 31 of 112 municipal water systems exceeded this limit. (2) According to some studies by 1975, the number of chemical contaminants found in finished drinking water exceeded 300. (3) In 1984 over 700 chemicals had been found in our drinking water The EPA has targeted 129 as posing the greatest threat to our health, Currently the EPA enforces federal standards for 34 drinking water contaminants. In July, 1990 they proposed adding 23 new ones and expects this list increasing to 85 in 1992. (4) Another report claims the picture is much worse. According to Troubled Waters on Tap "over 2100 contaminants have been detected in U. S. drinking water since 1974 with 190 known or suspected to cause adverse health effects at certain concentration levels. In total, 97 carcinogens and suspected carcinogens, 82 mutagens and suspected mutagens, 28 acute and chronic toxic contaminants and 23 tumor promoters have been detected in U. S. drinking water since 1974. The remaining 90% of the organic matter present in drinking water has not been identified by testing to-date. Compounds in these concentration could pose serious toxic effects, either alone or in combination with other chemicals found in drinking water. Overall, available scientific evidence continues to substantiate the link between consumption of toxins in drinking water and serious public health concerns, Studies have strengthened the association between ingestion of toxins and elevated cancer mortality risks"(5) Studies in New Orleans, Louisiana; Eric County, New York, Washington County Maryland, Ohio County, Ohio reveal high levels of haloforms or THM âs in drinking water. The result â higher levels of cancer. (6) (7) (8) (9) âThe continued use of chlorine as the main drinking water disinfectant in the United States only adds to the organic chemical contamination of drinking water supplies. The current federal standard regulation of trihalomethanes do not adequately protect water consumers from the multitude of other organic chlorination by-products that have been shown in many studies to be mutagenic and toxicâ(5) "Chlorine is so dangerous" according to biologist/chemist Dr. Herbert Schwartz," that Is should be banned. Putting chlorine In the water is like starting a time bomb. Cancer heart trouble, premature senility, both mental and physical are conditions attributable to chlorine, treated water supplies. It is making us grow old before our time by producing symptoms of ageing such as hardening of the arteries. I believe if chlorine were now proposed for the first time to be used in drinking water it would be banned by the Food and Drug Admi
Re: CS>Nancy deserves better.
I thought I read in that article that there was an electric cart of some type near the hot tub. That could certainly explain how 2 died accidentally. I don't believe it was suicide. I wasn't in touch with Nancy recently, but when I was, she didn't seem depressed to me at all. She was motivated and positive. Besides, her husband of all people would know if it could have been suicide. If he doesn't believe it was, then I don't either. I'll remember Nancy as a special person. She felt CS cured her MS and she gave of herself endlessly to get the word out and to help others. She offered to be there for anyone who needed her, at any time. Seems to me that could have been what she was doing when she died - trying to help someone. Did she have children? My heart goes out to her husband, her family and her close friends for their loss. Jodi Robb Allen wrote on 5/2/2007, 9:47 AM: > To be honestthe fact that two people died in the Hot tub makes it > sound > more like a suicide to me than if only 1 were there. The odds of an > accident with 2 are very very remote. I talked to Nancy many many > times and > she will be missed.Robb -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>iodine allergy to Sol/Betadine
One of the ingredients in Betadine is called Nonoxynol-9, which is an irritant. It is so irritating that it can actually cause tears in mucous membranes and other sensitive areas, along with outbreaks of rashes on the skin. That can probably explain some folks' reaction. Here are all of the ingredients in Betadine. Snipped from HTML version of http://www.pharma.com/PI/NonPrescription/A6910B16.pdf. Betadine Surgical Scrub - Drug Facts Active ingredient: Povidone-iodine, 7.5%–(0.75% available iodine) Inactive ingredients: ammonium nonoxynol-4 sulfate, nonoxynol-9, purified water, sodium hydroxide Jodi Cinder Ella wrote on 4/8/2007, 2:54 PM: [snipped] > It is really strange that topically it bothers you and internally it > doesn't. Perhaps you're allergic to the other ingredient in the > Betadine? and not the iodine? > Are you allergic to Shellfish? > Doris > > V wrote: > Sounds as though there is Iodine in the Betadine? > Funny, I am allergic to Betadine but have no problems with Iodine. > Now I am thinking its all in my head...puzzled. V -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>HOT and my results
Hi Jeannine - Did you notice any other side effects? If not, I may have to try it. [grin] Thanks. Jodi JES AM & PM wrote on 4/6/2007, 5:56 PM: [snipped] Well List; I promised to report back to you after about 6 - 8 weeks of my "unusual" protocol of Yucca and Belladonna - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>vita mix to susan and iodine to sol
Well, that's for sure, Chuck. They're usually in denial about something or other, aren't they. [grin] Jodi cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote on 4/6/2007, 4:14 PM: > My wife is allergic to benadryl used in all dr offices and hospitals, > so "Some in the medical community" are wrong (and foolish)! > > Chuck > Photons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>vita mix to susan and iodine to sol
Hi Zeb - Some in the medical community don't believe there's such a thing as an iodine allergy. Since it's essential to life and we always have some of it in our bodies. Jodi zeb caffe wrote on 4/6/2007, 3:03 PM: [snipped] sol, have you ever had a test with contrast dyes? I told a tech that I was allergic and she told me that I had no choice and that i would need to take appropriate measure like steroids or benedryl to offset the symptoms. I choose not to have the test. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>low sodium on blood test
Hi Ruth - The full study costs about $32.00 but the summary of it is all laypersons like us really need to read. Here it is: Acute colonic surgery and unrecognized hypothyroidism: A Warning - Report of Six Cases - Diseases of the Colon & Rectum Abstract PURPOSE: This study was designed to highlight the significant morbidity related to undetected hypothyroidism in the elderly who are undergoing emergency surgery. METHOD: Case reports of six patients who presented with acute colonic surgical conditions are reviewed. RESULTS: Six cases of undetected hypothyroidism in a group of elderly patients was unmasked at the time of surgery for acute colonic conditions or in the perioperative period. These patients experienced increased morbidity, but once detected and treated, all but one had an uneventful recovery. CONCLUSION: Unrecognized hypothyroidism may lead to unnecessary surgery or even a potentially fatal outcome. A heightened awareness of this not so uncommon entity is mandatory. Jodi ruth strackbein wrote on 4/6/2007, 12:21 PM: > Hi, Jodi, I could access the first link you gave us. I printed it > out. The second one is limited to members only . It looked like > membership may be pretty expensive. Think the first one gave me > plenty of information to digest. Thanks, Ruuth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>low sodium on blood test
Ruth - Please forgive me for harping on this, but constipation and digestive disturbances are symptoms of hypothyroidism, and the report below warns that low thyroid is especially prevelant in older folks with colonic conditions. About low sodium (for Paula too): Snipped from: http://www.emedicine.com/pmr/topic57.htm "Hyponatremia often is seen in patients with hypothyroidism." (Hyponatremia is the medical term for low sodium in the blood.) "Hypothyroidism causes a constellation of changes in the body. The lack of thyroid hormone results in slowed or reduced metabolic function, such as decreased protein turnover and impaired carbohydrate metabolism. These metabolic changes occur in many organ systems, including muscle. Pain with muscle exertion is characteristic of defective carbohydrate metabolism." ___ Here's the report: From http://www.springerlink.com/content/j552v5737392253w/ Acute colonic surgery and unrecognized hypothyroidism: A Warning - Report of Six Cases Diseases of the Colon & Rectum Publisher Springer New York - ISSN 0012-3706 (Print) 1530-0358 (Online) Subject Medicine - Issue Volume 40, Number 7 / July, 1997 - Category Case Reports - DOI 10.1007/BF02055446 - Pages 859-861 SpringerLink Date Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Eric Bergeron1, Andrew Mitchell1, Françoise Heyen1 and Serge Dubé1 (1) Department of Surgery, Faculty of Medicine, University of Montreal, Montreal, Quebec, Canada Abstract PURPOSE: This study was designed to highlight the significant morbidity related to undetected hypothyroidism in the elderly who are undergoing emergency surgery. METHOD: Case reports of six patients who presented with acute colonic surgical conditions are reviewed. RESULTS: Six cases of undetected hypothyroidism in a group of elderly patients was unmasked at the time of surgery for acute colonic conditions or in the perioperative period. These patients experienced increased morbidity, but once detected and treated, all but one had an uneventful recovery. CONCLUSION: Unrecognized hypothyroidism may lead to unnecessary surgery or even a potentially fatal outcome. A heightened awareness of this not so uncommon entity is mandatory. I hope this helps. Jodi ruth strackbein wrote on 4/4/2007, 4:12 PM: > Thanks, Paula, I suspect that I may have had excessive stools the day > they put me in the hospital and tested my sodium level. I do not > usually actually have "runs", but rather many formed stools in one day > and then diminishing amounts one or two succeeding days. Then nothing. > After a day or two, I do something about it because my ascending colon > feels tight and full and I begin to pass tiny little narrow cylinders > which require huge effort and sometimes, manual intervention. Sorry if > this is gross. My problems are usually gross. Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Re: CS>Re: C.S. Nicotene Detox
Teri, that's amazing!! I've got to try it. I wonder why it has to be only at night though...? It would be alot easier for me to put it in my morning O.J. instead. I hope it doesn't matter when you take it, as long as you do. Have you noticed any side effects from doing this? Thank you so much! Jodi Teri Johnston wrote on 3/29/2007, 9:44 AM: This was discussed on another list i am on and they recommended 1 teaspoon cream of tarter in an eight ounce glass of orange juice every night, for some reason it works, in the morning you eliminate nicotine when you go to the bathroom, you continue smoking, but as you release nicotine the craving goes down until you are no longer wanting a cigarette. I am in my third week of it and am down to maybe having 2 or 3 cigarettes a day and that won't be for much longer = it does seem to work. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Still OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins
[sirens] Thyroid! Thyroid! A little low?! And he says it's 'good'?! Unbelievable. That's definitely a low thyroid Ruth and having that is called being 'hypothyroid'. Doesn't matter that you can't remember to take your temp 3 times in a row in the AM. Most doctors know so little about this it's ridiculous. I didn't get better until I gave up on doctors altogether to self-treat. Subscribe to the Naturalthyroidhormones group at Yahoo to learn more. It's a great group and there's lots of information in their files section. (Just ignore what they say about taking hydrocortisone for adrenals.) Jodi ruth strackbein wrote on 3/23/2007, 11:45 AM: > I'm not sure, am getting some advice from several people, especiallty > about low thyroid. Am in process of trying to remember 3 days in a > row to take my temperature before getting out of bed. Either I forget > altogether, or have to go to the bathroom so badly that that takes > precedent. And sometimes I just give up for awhile. I did take it > this morning. 97.3 which I suspect is a lilttle low, but it has been > like that any time of day like at the doctor's for years and he > always says it is good. Thanks, Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>RE: Vit C- Lymes-Vit D-Calcium/Thyroid
Ronald & Susan Hart wrote on 3/21/2007, 10:28 AM: [snipped] As far as calcium deposits - I've read that is caused by not "just" TOO much calcium in the body but more likely not enough absorbable or useable calcium. On Mar 20, 2007, at 10:50 PM, zeb caffe wrote: [snipped] > Speaking of plaque desposits, does anyone know what > it means if you have calcium deposits scattered throughout the body? I > have them in lungs, renal pelvis,tonsils and lymph glands. One of the 9 hormones that the thyroid puts out, called 'Calcitonin', is responsible for detecting calcium and then depositing it where it belongs. If you have an underactive thyroid (hypothyroidism), then you will have a deficiency in calcitonin too. This will eventually cause your bones to suffer (osteoporosis), your muscles to suffer (leg cramps, muscle weakness, even heart problems, since your heart is a muscle too), and you won't be able to absorb calcium (or Vitamin D and phosphorus) properly. Hypothyroidism leads to other serious health issues too. It's a known cause of heart disease, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes, weight gain, slow metabolism, osteoporosis, edema, inflammation, weakness, fatigue, depression, muscle and organ atrophy, memory loss, anxiety, a feeling of being 'spaced' out, dementia, psychiatric symptoms, irritability - -- lots of diseases and symptoms the pharmaceutical companies make drugs for. It's the most underdiagnosed and misdiagnosed condition in the country. It doesn't make sense that the medical community prescribes calcitonin for osteoporosis right off the bat, instead of going to the source of the problem by prescribing the full spectrum of natural thyroid hormones (Armour). Everyone's thyroid slows down with age, and older folks are the ones who get osteoporosis. If the thyroid was working well, there'd be no need to supplement calcitonin, and if there's a deficiency of that, then there must also be a deficiency of the other 8 thyroid hormones as well. But, I guess making us 100% well isn't really the goal. [sigh] Anyway, to determine if you have an underactive thyroid, all you have to do is take your temperature. Taking one's temperature and going by 'symptoms' is how underactive thyroids were diagnosed before there was such a thing as lab tests. Just take your temperature first thing in the A.M. before rising out of bed. Or, take it then, and then again once or twice throughout the day for 3 days straight and average them all out. If they are, or average out to be under 98.2, then you'll know you're hypothyroid. Hope this helps. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Margarines
Found this for you Terry. Have you tried it before? http://www.allergygrocer.com/id1084.html Terry Chamberlin wrote on 3/19/2007, 4:50 PM: > Both Olivio & Becel contain mostly canola (rape seed) > oil. > > The Earthbalance product is mostly soy oil, which I am > not sure is a great improvement over canola oil. > > Is there no margarine spread that uses only olive oil? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Some Questions/Jodi
I should have also asked if stomach acids can break down silver into atoms and ions? Jodi W Menard wrote on 3/19/2007, 2:49 PM: > Your question below about the silver utensils is one for the experts here. I've always wondered if silver atoms > and particles or ions can detach and be absorbed by the body from a silver spoon, or whether it has any > antibiotic effect on just what it touches? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Some Questions/Jodi
You're not dumb V. Really. I knew nothing about this when I started looking into it. Give yourself some time. It's amazing how much there is to learn from the experts here on this list. Very high quality EIS is what we're making at home with our Silver Puppy (I use that one too). The silver is what we're after, whether it's in a colloidal state or electrically isolated in solution, ions or atoms, they both work to heal. (I think they might heal in a different way, but I'm not sure. See next paragraph.) People call EIS colloidal silver all the time, but most of the products on the market are actually EIS, regardless. If you want to call it CS, go ahead. Lots of people still do, so why not? [grin] Your question below about the silver utensils is one for the experts here. I've always wondered if silver atoms and particles or ions can detach and be absorbed by the body from a silver spoon, or whether it has any antibiotic effect on just what it touches? Does anyone know if saliva or the sodium in the body and mouth would be enough to break silver atoms or ions away from a silver spoon? And, can the body then efficiently break down silver atoms into ions? If the body can break down silver atoms and particles into ions, then I guess sucking on a silver spoon (grin), taking CS, or EIS all work in the same way, right? [ugh] I hope one of the experts here can answer some of these questions because I just don't know. Jodi vwol...@aol.com wrote on 3/19/2007, 1:31 PM: Jodi...thanks for the reply. Sorry to be so dumb...no excuses, when it comes to CS..I really am:( So then, EIS is what I am making with the Silver Puppy? Am I reading right...The solution I make and use with the Silver Puppy is not "real" CS but something called EIS? This is all very interesting...and you explained it well...enough so that I think I get it.:) Thank you V. In a message dated 3/19/2007 1:32:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jwmen...@cox.net writes: Hi V. EIS (electrically isolated silver) is what we make at home with generators, but is oftentimes also the kind that is commercially sold and called colloidal silver. I read here some time ago that the only way to make real CS is with a FDA approved lab and $15,000 worth of equipment (!). What I understand is that EIS has over 80% silver 'ions' and under 20% silver 'atoms' or particles. Whereas CS has just the opposite at over 80% atoms/particles and less than 20% ions.(YET THEY BOTH DO THE SAME THING...HEAL?) A silver ion has a positive charge and is more easily absorbed and assimilated by the body because it is smaller than a silver atom and is missing an electron. That allows it to pass through cell membranes or to attach to other ions. The atoms in CS are larger and cannot do that unless they are broken down first. (WOULD THIS BE THE KIND OF SILVER THAT PEOPLE ABSORBED FROM USING REAL SILVER EATING UTENSILS IN MEDIEVAL TIMES?) Whole silver atoms/particles carry a negative charge, and may not be processed, assimilated, broken down or eliminated as well as silver ions, and this is probably why the dose one takes of actual CS must be so conservative (usually 3 tablespoons a day). [snipped] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>cholestrol
Seafoods like lobster, shrimp and crab (etc.) have alot of cholesterol too. But cholesterol isn't the culprit. I read that every hormone in our bodies is made from it, for one thing. Linus Pauling (winner of the Nobel Prize and 3 US patents on reversing heart disease) said that our bodies slop on cholesterol to repair damaged arteries and blood vessels caused by a Vitamin C deficiency, and that doctors and researchers misunderstood why they were seeing more cholesterol in people who had heart disease. He also said we should be getting like 10 to 12 grams of Vitamin C a day and that humans are the only animals that don't manufacture their own and therefore must get it from an outside source. See http://www.paulingtherapy.com/ From http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/ [snip] Vitamin C is required for the synthesis of collagen, an important structural component of blood vessels, tendons, ligaments, and bone. _ Jodi Marshall Dudley wrote on 3/19/2007, 12:23 PM: > All animal fat contains cholesterol, whether butter, egg yoke, or lard. > Marshall > > Dee wrote: > > I didn't think there *was* any cholesterol in food only eggs and > > prawns and eggs have lecithin to balance this. Dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Some Questions/Jodi
Hi V. EIS (electrically isolated silver) is what we make at home with generators, but is oftentimes also the kind that is commercially sold and called colloidal silver. I read here some time ago that the only way to make real CS is with a FDA approved lab and $15,000 worth of equipment (!). What I understand is that EIS has over 80% silver 'ions' and under 20% silver 'atoms' or particles. Whereas CS has just the opposite at over 80% atoms/particles and less than 20% ions. A silver ion has a positive charge and is more easily absorbed and assimilated by the body because it is smaller than a silver atom and is missing an electron. That allows it to pass through cell membranes or to attach to other ions. The atoms in CS are larger and cannot do that unless they are broken down first. Whole silver atoms/particles carry a negative charge, and may not be processed, assimilated, broken down or eliminated as well as silver ions, and this is probably why the dose one takes of actual CS must be so conservative (usually 3 tablespoons a day). We don't have to worry so much about the dose we take of our EIS because silver ions are easily transported (via metalloproteins), absorbed and eliminated and are bioavailable in the same way and form as the nutrients and minerals you absorb by eating your veggies. I don't think you can overdose on iron by eating alot of spinach, for example, because the iron you are getting in that way is in ionic form. I always thought it was an interesting fact that silver is the best known conductor of heat and electricity there is. Seems to me that may be a deeper explanation of how CS and EIS up our immune systems and heal so well. Since our bodies are made up of atoms that are in essence, energy, in the form of heat, light and electricity (positive and negative charges, electrons), silver as a conductor must speed up and facilitate its flow and transmission. Anyway, I hope I got all of this right. And that it helps. Jodi vwol...@aol.com wrote on 3/18/2007, 10:30 AM: > Hi Jodi...thanks for the reply. > EIS is the same as Colloidal Silver? [snipped] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Everyday Products Made Better with Olive Oil - Lee Iacocca's Olivio/TERRI
I read that Canola Oil was not good. Isn't it genetically modified? Jodi vwol...@aol.com wrote on 3/19/2007, 8:41 AM: Everyday Products Made Better with Olive Oil - Lee Iacocca's Olivio Premium Products! Terri Chamberlain...here is a site you might want to check out...V. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Some Questions
V, I forgot to mention that there have been plenty of days I've skipped the Albuterol altogether and just gave him the nebulized EIS, and it seemed to do the exact same thing and more. Jodi Jodi W Menard wrote on 3/17/2007, 10:04 PM: Hi V - My 10-year old son has a tracheostomy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Some Questions
Hi V - My 10-year old son has a tracheostomy and we give him nebulized EIS, along with Albuterol every day. I've read that EIS really helps asthma so I don't think that's true, but unfortunately I didn't save the info so I can't point you to it. I nebulized with EIS when I came down with pneumonia a few years ago and it really helped me. Jodi vwol...@aol.com wrote on 3/17/2007, 9:45 PM: [snipped] I thought I saw a post about CS aggravating Asthma? Is this true? Its allergy season and I need to be really watchful. I do use the Albuterol Spray when I really really have to but would rather not if I have the choice. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>enquiry on silver products
I took Utopia Silver for a while several years ago. It had a yellow hue to it and at that time I believe it was made by adding baking soda or salt, but I'm not sure which and I don't know if they've changed it since. I believe the owner (is it Bob?) used to be on this list. Nice man. Jodi Chee Hoong Lee wrote on 3/13/2007, 1:03 AM: > Does anyone have experience with the following > products? [snipped] > c) utopiasilver.com (best of all worlds) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Nutritional yeast
If this is true, what, if any, effect will it have on us? I mean, they can't regulate the silver generators and electrodes, right? Geez, it's scary. Jodi Tel Tofflemire wrote on 3/6/2007, 7:41 PM: > Almost All Colloidal Silver To Be Removed From Market > In Near Future Through Stealth Federal Mandates -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Generators
Hi Seth - I just love the Silver Puppy. But I don't think it can make a gallon at a time. Maybe a half gallon, but I make a mayonnaise jar at a time. I make between 1 and 14 batches a week and the thing just runs and runs and runs without any problems. Plus, I've only had to buy new silver electrodes (only $15.00) one time in the (approximately) 5 years since I bought it. [grin] I'm a very happy customer. Jodi seth sato wrote on 3/5/2007, 11:47 AM: I was curious about various machines to produce C's and wanting to know what people recommend. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>:List server ( Unfairly Blamed )
Cindy, for the record, I thought your post was gracious and sweet, not at all insulting to Mike or anyone else, in any way. And calling Mike a 'wonderful leader' was quite a compliment. Maybe Wayne got up on the wrong side of the bed today. [grin] Please don't take the tone of his reply to heart. Jodi ch...@tx.rr.com wrote on 3/5/2007, 10:36 AM: > One of the reasons I don't like posting is as hard as I try, my words > get misconstrued and then I spend time trying to correct myself. Such > is life. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>List server, Large Files
I don't know about Netscape, Sol. But my email program has a filter that gives me the option where any mail that arrives from a certain location (like the silver list or off-topic list address) can be automatically saved to a specific folder that can be backed up to a .zip file onto my hard drive so that I can back it up onto a CD. Does Netscape have any options such as these? Jodi sol wrote on 3/4/2007, 3:57 PM: > Dumb computer user question: > How does one back up email messages to a CD? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Mesosilver
Hi Jerome - The kind of plastic that Mesosilver comes in, or the kind that a soda comes in is actually better than glass, because the silver plates out on glass which makes the batch weaker. Jodi jerome o connor wrote on 3/3/2007, 10:59 AM: I got some collodial silver from a company called mesosilver which came in a plastic bottle.I read on another site that if it was real colloidal silver it would need to to be in a glass bottle What are your opinions as, I am new here? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT prozac & diabetes??/Lithium danger
Bruce Anderson wrote on 3/2/2007, 8:47 PM: > Dear Jodi; > I completely agree with you on Rx Lithium. The dose you took was > probably 200 - 400mg. of lithium 2 or 3 times daily and needed regular > testing to try to adjust the dose to keep it from harming internal > organs. Hi Bruce. Wow, you think they gave me that much?! This was 30 years ago and they put me on it for only one week, with no testing afterwards that I can remember, just to see if I would notice any benefit. They said if I did, that would mean I was manic depressive, but I didn't notice anything at the time. > The Orotate form of lithium is effective at extremely small > doses. The 120mg tablet that I take *contains only 4.5mg of > elemental lithium *and I take one a day. I didn't know that the dose was that small, and I'm glad you only take one. > You, also, might want to google Lithium Orotate. Just as all forms of > CS not bad, so also lithium. Best wishes; Bruce I appreciate your kind reply Bruce. After I posted about not taking Lithium, I did google the Orotate kind to see if it was different and I saw how it is all over the internet as being beneficial and safe, so hopefully that will pan out as really being the case because it seems so many people are taking it. Does anyone know how long this form of lithium has been around? If it's been around a long time, and the negatives still haven't shown up, well then it has to be safe, right? I should tell you anyway that I found 2 more studies on PubMed about the Orotate form. One states that it is inadvisable for doctors to recommend because it decreased kidney function (urine output) and enlarged the kidneys, but I don't understand the dosage they indicate: It's "2 mmol lithium kg-1". (?) Do you know how to convert that to something more understandable? If that's a large dose, the study can probably be ignored, since that's not what everyone is taking. The other study said something about how there wasn't a difference between the way the body processed Orotate as opposed to other forms of Lithium, but again since the Orotate is given in such small doses, seems as if it that can be ignored too because I think they used a large dose in the study. Anyway, if this hasn't been around for a long time, I'd just try to be aware in case any symptoms of thyroid or kidney malfunction showed up and otherwise try not to worry. Thanks Bruce. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT prozac & diabetes??/Lithium danger
Do NOT take Lithium. Is the Orotate form any different from other types of Lithium? I don't know, but Lithium will stop your thyroid production in its tracks and damage its ability to function causing hypothyroidism and goiter (an enlarged thyroid). This will make you fat, depressed and in way more emotional and physical pain than you were in before. Plus, the medical community does not effectively diagnose and treat an underactive thyroid problem, so the chances of you getting the help you'll need will be slim. It took me 30 years to get the proper diagnosis and help after being prescribed Lithium at the age of 13. I saw doctor after doctor and all they ever did was to put me on one antidepressant after another. There are other things you can take to alleviate depression that won't hurt you this way. Try 5-HTP, SAMe, B-Complex, B-12, inositol/niacinamide, or get a thyroid panel test (you can get them online at www.healthcheckusa.com) to determine if the depression is from an underactive thyroid because that is now the most underdiagnosed and misdiagnosed condition in this country and depression is just one of the many major symptoms. See at Pub Med: http://tinyurl.com/2bm8hc Thyroid abnormalities in lithium-treated patients. [snipped - emphasis is mine] ..."Our findings suggested that along with its goitrogenic effects, lithium inhibited thyroid function and led to clinical hypothyroidism."... See at Pub Med: http://tinyurl.com/ysaf8a The effects of lithium therapy on thyroid and thyrotropin-releasing hormone. [snipped] ..."Lithium is concentrated by the thyroid and inhibits thyroidal iodine uptake. It also inhibits iodotyrosine coupling, alters thyroglobulin structure, and inhibits thyroid hormone secretion. The latter effect is critical to the development of hypothyroidism and goiter" ..."Goiter, due to increased thyrotropin (TSH) after inhibition of thyroid hormone release, occurs at various reported incidence rates from 0%-60% and is smooth and nontender. Subclinical and clinical hypothyroidism due to lithium is usually associated with circulating anti-thyroid peroxidase (TPO) antibodies but may occur in their absence."... _ Jodi Bruce Anderson wrote on 3/1/2007, 10:13 PM: > For the depression you might Google Lithium Orotate. It works well > for me. I'm trying a non Rx herbal for type 2 diabetes. > If the A1C test is good I'll post it to the list. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>new member introduction
Lisa wrote on 2/28/2007, 10:17 AM:
> The link you had in your note is the silver maker that I use. Am I
> making what you guys call "EIS" with this generator? Assuming I use
> good distilled water, of course.
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Hi Lisa -
I believe all of us home users with generators are making EIS
('electrically isolated silver' in distilled water). In order to make
actual CS (colloidal silver), someone here once mentioned that we would
have to buy $15,000 in equipment and have our 'lab' FDA approved!
The difference between EIS and CS is that the CS has more silver
'particles' (atoms) and less ions (silver ions have one electron missing
which allows it to bind with any other atom in our bodies). Whereas the
EIS we make at home has more silver 'ions' and less particles.
Supposedly, particles are not as easily assimilated by the body, whereas
ions are assimilated and completely bioavailable. Ingesting silver ions
as opposed to particles is comparable to getting your iron from a bowl
of spinach, as opposed to actually swallowing minute particles of iron
or taking an iron pill. The nutrients we get from the vegetables we eat
are in ionic form, for example. If they're ionic that means your body
can transport that nutrient wherever it is needed in the body, and then
get rid of any excess more easily. I don't think it is actually a raw,
heavy metal when it's ionic, and this is one of the reasons why if you
were to buy real CS, say like Mesosilver (a very high quality CS and the
only 'CS' that I have ever recommended), you'd take much less than what
you could or would if you took the EIS that we make at home with
generators.
There is also a debate in the CS/EIS comunity where the CS side says
that particles are better and more effective, and the EIS side says that
ions are at least as effective and better, but I don't think the final
results are in. I personally think it doesn't matter which you take, as
long as you take one or the other, but the EIS is much more affordable,
and probably much easier on the body.
If I've got any of this wrong, I'm hoping one of the experts here will
chime in and correct me. [grin]
Jodi
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Re: CS>topic of being hot was/now thyroid-adrenals
Nancy [dbl...@cfl.rr.com] wrote: > I'm just curious, is hydrocortisone a natural medication? If not, I > wonder why a natural thyroid list owner would recommend it? No, I think it's a synthetic drug that tries to mimic the natural. But I'm sure she feels it helps. She's really a very nice person. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: topic of being hot
Charles Marcus wrote on 2/27/2007, 7:21 AM: > It is my understanding that the best way is, as you said, in the > morning before you get out of bed, but not orally. Underneath the > armpit is the recommended location for the thermometer. Charles, it seems to me personally that it shouldn't matter, as long as you add a degree to the temp reading under the arm, but everything I've read on this (which is more than I can say) indicates only orally, and doctors advise orally too. Now that you mention it though, I wonder why? Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>EIS-Salt/C question
Thank you Carlos. I admire him too. I am so sorry you have had such a struggle and I appreciate your sharing your story and explaining this condition. You certainly have done your homework and I believe you will continue to recover with EIS. Please keep us posted on your progress. Jodi Carlos wrote: > It is indeed a surprise to find a close relative to the very famous > Dr. Paul Ehrlich, whom I admire very much!! As you probably have > already found out, Ehrlichiosis is a very serious disease that if not > properly diagnosed and treated in due time, can be deadly. [snipped] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Vitamin C and Salt Protocol warning - liver function
Hi Duncan - May I have a copy of it too? Thank you for offering. My email addy is jwmen...@cox.net Duncan Crow wrote: > I have a liver function article scanned in from a book by a Great > Smokies Labs founder; email me (anyone) for it -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>topic of being hot
Hi Dee. Having a low temp means you are hypothyroid, unless it is 30 degrees in your house and you are cold! When I was a child, the heat didn't bother me at all, but as an adult, I couldn't stand it because I hate to sweat. Maybe that's because I don't want my hair to frizz though (!). I don't know, but I hated heat even when my temps were low and before I treated my underactive thyroid. Supposedly, if you have low thyroid function, one symptom you could get is that you'll get cold easily, but it isn't that way for everyone and it wasn't that way for me. The most accurate way to determine your thyroid status is to take your temperature orally as soon as you wake up and before getting out of bed. If it's below 98.2, and you weren't uncovered and freezing in a cold room before you awoke, then you have an underactive thyroid. You can also take your temps morning, afternoon and evening for 3 days and then average them all out to get a more accurate reading. Still though, if they average out to under 98.2, you're definitely hypothyroid. Jodi Dee wrote: > Sorry Sol, but does having a low temp mean you are hypothyroid and > does this mean you are always overheating or the opposite? I am > somewhat confused as you may gather. I am always too hot, which is > one of the symptoms of hypothyroid someone (Doris?) implied. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>topic of being hot was/now thyroid-adrenals
I've been treating my thyroid (self treating) for almost 2-1/2 years now. The group Sol mentions below was a life-saver for me and I still recommend it, but there is one thing I would say differently from them. You should be very, very careful about treating your adrenals. The standard medical treatment for it is hydrocortisone, also recommended by the owner of that group, but once you start taking it, it's very hard to stop and has dangerous side effects as well (search for 'hydrocortisone, side effects' to see). I took it for only one day and woke up the next feeling so badly and so swollen I looked like a pumpkin, so I quit right then. I'll never forget the laments of certain folks on that list who wished they had never started taking it. Just because your adrenals are overworked and tired doesn't mean you should start taking hydrocortisone. What most people don't realize is that 'treating your thyroid alone', ultimately repairs your adrenals. If you feel you need additional support, there are alternative adrenal treatments that are not addicting and will help without doing any damage. Raw adrenal extracts or even a short term of pharmaceutical grade pregnenolone for instance. Both of which are over the counter or on the internet. I used pregnenolone and it seemed to do the trick for me. Jodi Sol wrote [snipped]: > My symptoms also fit the profile of adrenal problems, and by what I've > read you need to treat both if you have both. > I have embarked on a trial of both adrenal and thyroid,self-treating. > The group http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/ > has what seems to me to be some good information in its Files section. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>EIS-Salt/C question.
Carlos
wrote:
In my trying to get a cure for
Ehrlichiosis I have been using home made EIS
with a noticeable improvement in my health.
Hi Carlos -
I was so shocked to see 'Ehrlichiosis' in your post. My great great
great Uncle (don't know how many greats to insert here) was Paul
Ehrlich, the German bacteriologist who invented the cure for Syphillis,
and apparently whom this disease is named after. Thing is, before I
read your post and looked it up, I didn't even know there was a
condition named after him. Big surprise and I can't wait to tell my
Mom. Anyway, while I was looking it up, I found the page below which
states that antibiotics have cured this condition in the past, so the
CS really should do it, and I guess that's why it has helped you. Have
you considered upping your dose? Sometimes we need alot. Sure can't
hurt if you make it properly. Anyway, thanks for the thrill there.
[grin] Not that I'm happy that you are suffering mind you! I sure do
hope you recover quickly and completely.
See http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/bulletin_of_the_history_of_medicine/v072/72.4silverstein.html
for full article
{snipped}
"After
receiving antibiotic treatment for ehrlichiosis, they recovered."
Jodi
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CS>IV Question
Pat Lawrie wrote: > At this point he is critical. I knew this was a possibility when I > took him on, but did so to give him some love and care in his last > days. He was used and abused as a fighting pit bull, but his > temperament is not at all aggressive. I teared up reading that Pat. I'm glad he found someone like you, after all he's been through. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>topic of being hot
Deborah Gerard wrote: > I dread summer like others dread winter. Dee wrote: > Sooo nice to know that there's someone like me around! Friend, you are not alone. I can't STAND the heat. When I'm hot, I can think of nothing else except how to get cool and I oftentimes have to stick my head in the freezer. What I'm doing down south here in this summertime sauna I have no idea. If there was a cool weather God I'd be praying to him. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>MSM & heart/was now Cayenne
ransley wrote: > I am presently up to a heaping half teaspoon of cayenne at least > once daily and I try to do 2-3 times daily. It's not painful? Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Agryia was/now Chlorella
Jonathan - Since this is off-topic, I sent my reply directly to you. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Agryia was/now Chlorella
Dan wrote: > How much do you give him, and on what schedule? What is his > weight?... I bought the chlorella caps at Mercola.com, but I ran out a couple of days ago and the bottle was thrown away (I give him seaweed caps when I run out). So I'm not sure how many mg. were in each cap, but they looked pretty large to me. I'd open 2 of them and empty them into his food. I'd gave him 2 caps all at the same time sometimes, and other times 1 cap in the morning and then 1 cap a couple of hours later. Sometimes a 3rd cap at dinner, but not all of the time. I don't think I was giving him as much as Mercola recommends. I didn't want him to go through any discomfort. Over a longer period of time, the smaller dose still seemed to do the trick. I was also blending and mixing up some raw and organic foods, which probably helped. No chemicals, preservatives or trans-fats. I can control what he ingests because he has a feeding button surgically implanted in his tummy. Can't take anything by mouth, so taste isn't an issue. He weighed maybe 40 lbs. when I started giving him the chlorella. He's 10 years old and 55 lbs. now. He has some other physical issues along with developmental delay. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Agryia was/now Chlorella
Subject: Date: 2/6/2007, 1:09 AM From: To: silver-list@eskimo.com "Jonathan B. Britten" wrote: > I just read today that chlorella is also very good at binding to > metals and other toxins in vivo. This food, like cilantro, could be > combined with Jason's therapy at no risk, and might help. My son had autism. There's alot of evidence that supports autism being caused by themerosol (about 70% mercury), which is a preservative used in many vaccines. I heard about chlorella from mercola.com, how it binds metals and removes them from the body, and started giving him chlorella caps. Now he no longer has any of the autistic symptoms he had before. He no longer zones out, he looks people in the eyes, likes to be touched, understands and responds, and he's quit those strange repetitive movements he used to do. Chlorella works. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS and T4 Cells
Dim wrote: > ..."I am not that much worring about the > virus right now, but mostly about how to raise my T4 cells that there > were just 4 in count two weeks ago. I do know that the treatment with > ozon will give a 'boost' to my T4, but I feel that I should do some > additional things in order to raise them more. Dim, a doctor told me that I had only 8 T-Cells about 7 years ago. When I asked her if there was anything I could do or take to raise it she said yes, and then put me on MGN-3 (from mushrooms, I think 750 mg. a day), Alpha Lipoic Acid (600 mg. per day), Vitamin C and Selenium. Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
