CS>Need some help with the home made silver process
I have recently built a generator using the guidelines presented on http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/zapltsk.htm The system uses one silver elctrode (positive) and one stainless steel electrode (negative) It is running at 6 volts using a transformer, and a bubbler to agitate. It appears that it is workiing quite well but do to my ignorance I am not sure exactly what I am endding up with. The silver electrode remains clean and shiney The stainless collects some grey deposit which I assum is an idication that the current is flowing in the right direction, At least my voltmeter indicates it is so. After approximately 3 hours the liquid remains clear. After settling overnight there is some sediment on the bottom which is very light in color. Using a laser pen the tyndall effect is quite strong. I assume I have collodial silver but I would like to confirm that I do not have collodial stainless steel. Any help would be appreciated as with any contruction and processing tips. thanks in advance steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Screening kids, pt. 3
i wonder if a little screening might have helped at columbine i dont like government intervention any more than anyone else but i know what these situations are like i was a crime scene technician for the government and after military service I did the same for private police departments. My specialties all revolved around death, violence and caused by a wide gamut of people with mental problems i have picked up a lot of dead kids - i never did learn to enjoy it of poking thru the heads of kids helps to save a life down the road or help a kid put his or her life together then so be it many parents could never afford the screening btw i worked in a high school for several years you know kids have a rough time of it now they are a bit vicious they kill each other what if some day you wake up with a dead kid or find out that your kid has a serious problem which could effect the lives of others. What if? yes it might be nice to know i am a Nam vet too so I guess I know what head trips are all about just an opinion - you do what you feel is right but always consider the other side. steve - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:18 AM Subject: CS>Screening kids, pt. 3 > ACTION ALERT > > November 15, 2004 > > > Congressman Ron Paul's letter expressing opposition to mandatory > mental-health screening of children was sent to Chairman Ralph Regula > last Friday. Twenty-two other House members signed Dr. Paul's letter. > Those additional signatures were added in large part due to your > efforts. Thank you! > > We must now focus our efforts on House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. Mr. > DeLay can be extremely helpful to our cause. > > The House will likely pass an omnibus spending bill by this Saturday. > It must include language prohibiting money from being spent on mandatory > mental-health screening of kids; otherwise, the screening programs > already operating in Texas and Illinois will be implemented nationwide. > > Should the government subject your children to mandatory mental-health > screening without your consent? We say "NO!" > > The pharmaceutical industry says "yes" because it wants millions of new > customers for drugs such as Ritalin. The > psychiatry/psychology/counseling establishment says "yes" because they > want millions of new patients. These groups are represented by the most > powerful and highest paid lobbyists in Washington and they are working > this week to satisfy their clients -- at the expense of your rights as > parents and the well-being of your children. > > The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons warned the public > five days ago that universal psychiatric screening and drugging of > children is "a dangerous scheme that will heap even more coercive > pressure on parents to medicate children with potentially dangerous side > effects." > > Congressman Ron Paul, a physician for over 30 years, abhors the "notion > of federal bureaucrats ordering potentially millions of youngsters to > take psychotropic drugs like Ritalin." > > We must stop this new federal program before it gets millions of dollars > to spend. As Dr. Paul cautions, "Anyone who understands bureaucracies > knows they assume more and more power incrementally. A few scattered > state programs over time will be replaced by a federal program > implemented in a few select cities. Once the limited federal program is > accepted, it will be expanded nationwide." > > We have until this Saturday at the latest. Urge House Majority Leader > Tom DeLay to help. Ask him to make sure the omnibus spending bill or > final committee report on Labor/HHS appropriations includes the > following language: "None of the funds made available for State > incentive grants for transformation should be used for any programs of > mandatory or universal mental-health screening that performs > mental-health screening on anyone under 18 years of age without the > express, written permission of the parents or legal guardians of each > individual involved." > > Mr. DeLay has a copy of the letter Dr. Paul and 22 of his colleagues > sent to Chairman Regula, so he knows about it. > > Mr. DeLay's office telephone number is 202-225-4000. His fax number is > 202-225-5117. An E-mail form is at > http://www.majorityleader.gov/CONTACT.ASP?a=form > > Also, please spread the word. Thank you! > > Background > http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/screeningkidsbackground.htm > > Kent Snyder > The Liberty Committee > http://www.thelibertycommittee.org > > > Update Your Profile: >http://thelibertycommittee.f.topica.com/f/?a2iZBH.a3QSDV.bWR1ZGxl > Unsubscribe: >http://thelibertycommittee.f.topica.com/f/?a2iZBH.a3QSDV.bWR1ZGxl.u > Confirm Your Subscription: >http://thelibertycommittee.f.topica.com/f/?a2iZBH.a3QSDV.bWR1ZGxl.c > Forward to Friend: > > http://www.topica.com/f2f/?f=MQwkBQIBAQAJ1HoACAABL69vlw&r=mdud
Re: CS>Need some help with the home made silver process
yes he is cool i would like to know about the coloration my first batch was low voltage it was clear i read that yellow is a good indictor and conversley that it is bad so which is it supposed to be - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:02 AM Subject: Re: CS>Need some help with the home made silver process > > I have recently built a generator using the guidelines presented on > > http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/zapltsk.htm > > Welcome, Steve! > > Bruce is a good fellow. I imagine you're not going to go too far wrong. > There are, of course, a hundred ways to make a CS generator, all with > different details and some major differences... > > > The silver electrode remains clean and shiney > > The stainless collects some grey deposit which I assume is an indication > > that the current is flowing in the right direction, At least my > > voltmeter indicates it is so. > > > > After approximately 3 hours the liquid remains clear. After settling > > overnight there is some sediment on the bottom which is very light in > > color. Using a laser pen the tyndall effect is quite strong. > > Sounds good. The "fluff" that you're getting on the stainless electrode > should be silver and/or silver oxides, possibly in a matt of small gas > bubbles. > > If you'd like to be absolutely sure, just replace the stainless > electrode with a silver one. Then switch 'em every few months to keep > the wear even. Silver isn't *that* expensive! > > Be well, > > Mike D. > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>[List Owner] Comments; please read...
people are bags of liquid things get moved around sut like the tide - Original Message - From: "Garnet" To: "Silver List" Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Comments; please read... > It is the same phenomena, ionization of biological systems that causes > the full moon effects. Irritability, brain fog, irrational and extreme > behavior, heart attacks all increase during a full moon. > > Garnet > > On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 14:18, M. G. Devour wrote: > > Garnet writes: > > > It was about the solar activity being off the charts Mike, something > > > that we have not seen in the past except for maybe two times since we > > > have been recording such phenomena. Among other things immune > > > suppression by ion storms is a concern, as well nerve conducatance is > > > suppressed and heat patients are at greater risk of heart attack. This > > > pertains to CS because if you know your immune system is being > > > suppressed one might choose to increase CS consumption. > > > > Oh, well, maybe I was thinking it was a full moon! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike D. > > > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
CS>Re: CS Pain
ANyone have any experience with cs and chronic pain i have a bit of nerve damage i pulled back from the morphine to percosets but they dont do much have read silver reduces pain by increasing skin conductivity havent got a batch out that i feel comfortable drinking yet but hopefully if i can get all the right answers I can start treating myself any how to do it stuff would be greatly appreciated steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: CS Pain
does it work like a tens unit what about cs did it handle neuropath pain ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 11/16/04 20:48:36 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS Pain I have had awesome results using a Sota MPG5 magpulser. It seems to get rid of pain within a couple of hours of treatment($219 shipped at elixa.com) You can build your own magpulser for something like $50 but not sure about that. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <>
CS>
i think i got crossways with giardia for too long but it could be agent orange seems to have turned chronic on me i have lost 40 pounds since june ended up in er today passed out bp 85 over 55 blood sugar 44 dehydrated thats why i want to get a working generator up fast not to mention the chronic pain issues!!! heard it takes a lot to get it into the gut any one have experience also read clear cs doent make it past the stomach any truth to that ? ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 11/16/04 20:51:14 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Re:CS>Re: CS Pain Hi Steve: I make Colloidal Gold and the people that take it say it has helped with pain. If you would like to try it, let me know and I will send a bottle. It is a hobby and I don,t accept anything for it, including the postage. Bill Amos wa...@mailstation.com -- ANyone have any experience with cs and chronic pain i have a bit of nerve damage i pulled back from the morphine to percosets but they dont do much have read silver reduces pain by increasing skin conductivity havent got a batch out that i feel comfortable drinking yet but hopefully if i can get all the right answers I can start treating myself any how to do it stuff would be greatly appreciated steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <>
Re: CS>
where is this list to be found at i would love to get out from under the narcotics regime ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 11/17/04 05:00:55 To: Silver List Subject: Re: CS> DMSO helps with pain, but has a strong odor unless you can get ahold of the Gaylord Chemicals No Odor USP DMSO, hard to do. C. Gold helped my arthritis a lot. Also a mood elevator and improves IQ by up to 20%. There is a list for learning to make CG. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 22:07, Steve Ellsworth wrote: > i think i got crossways with giardia for too long > but it could be agent orange > seems to have turned chronic on me > i have lost 40 pounds since june > ended up in er today > passed out > bp 85 over 55 > blood sugar 44 > dehydrated > thats why i want to get a working generator up fast > not to mention the chronic pain issues!!! > > heard it takes a lot to get it into the gut > any one have experience > also read clear cs doent make it past the stomach > any truth to that ? > ---Original Message--- > > From: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: 11/16/04 20:51:14 > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>Re:CS>Re: CS Pain > > Hi Steve: > I make Colloidal Gold and the people that take it say it has helped > with pain. If you would like to try it, let me know and I will send a > bottle. It is a hobby and I don,t accept anything for it, including > the postage. > Bill Amos > wa...@mailstation.com > -- > ANyone have any experience with cs and chronic pain > i have a bit of nerve damage > > i pulled back from the morphine to percosets but they dont do much > have read silver reduces pain by increasing skin conductivity > > havent got a batch out that i feel comfortable drinking yet but > hopefully if i can get all the right answers I can start treating > myself > > any how to do it stuff would be greatly appreciated > > steve > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List > archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT > Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > <>
CS>Re: Making CS
Can someone tell/show me the best of the home made devices and send along whatever in the way of how to do it pictures, links etc. to ellsworthfam...@comcast.net Is the final product supposed to be clear or colored. Thanks ever so much steve ellsworth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Freeze seperating of EIS
so does that mean we look at the laser effect in a dark room or in normal lighting - Original Message - From: "Dan Nave" To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: CS>Freeze seperating of EIS > And, in English, that means...? > > Dan ;-)) > > > > CS>Freeze seperating of EIS > > From: Matthew McCann (view other messages by this author) > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:52:28 > > -- -- > > Hi, Marshall, > > Thank you very much for taking initiative on this important direction > of experimentation. > > Eyeballing the attenuation of the Tyndall effect and applying it to > the reduction of the particulate fraction needs to take into account > the Weber-Fechner law. Ocular perception varies with light intensity > proportionally to the logarithm of the latter. The Weber-Fechner > relation also explains why astronomers adopted stellar magnitudes that > vary with the logarithms of stellar light intensities, instead of the > direct proportion. > > Best regards, > > Matthew > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Medical Incomes - extraordinary claim
how about posting the text -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>I think I am a convert feeling better
Lots happening I think I am getting impressed albeit it is early in the game Our sump pump smelled like dead stuff - i threw some CS down the hole and it smells clean now I had an itchey fungus on my foot that nothing would cure for the last six months - put some strong cs on it and its gone in two days Wife has strep it started after me yesterday with the traditional peppery sore throat took the cs in the nose swallowed it slowly mid night it really kicked up so did it again it shut it down - slept good this morning a bit of a runny nose and a twinge but the major symptoms are gone the neuropathic pain has dropped off - anyway i havent had a percaset for some time Sincethis giardia / unknown bug in the water thing i havent been able to eat w/o lots of pain bloating and other less attractive things etc since they planted regan last night ate like a pig - pizza and beer no gut or abdominal pain at all last night - no unpleasantries today i actually feel pretty good today for a change- something is happening i am wondering if the fed isnt holding out as people have been saying i am no scientist but it seems as if there may be something to this of course since nam I dont trust the govt anyway this just reinforces my position steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re:Re: CS>High altitude CS
Mike D. sorry too many email programs have to remember what i am doing can you read this one > i am using 6vlt dc bubbler 850 ma > 1 10 inch . bent double > 1 stainless steel > walmart distilled > located in centennial co approx 6k ft > takes 6-8 hrs w/ no starter and bubbler > electrodes stay clean > 3 hrs with starter of old brew > solution is clear > drop the bubbler and it turns bright yellow > electrodes both fuzz out -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: CS and cat scans any issues??
is it going to rip my molecular structure apart steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>High altitude CS
try making it in the basement out of the wa y of windows thats what i do the uv here is killer i keep it i a translucent bottle in a dark closet no problems yet or does it turn yellow in the brew? ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 11/22/04 09:41:17 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>High altitude CS May it is the high amount of ionizing radiation that is causing it to go yellow. He might try putting it into a lighttight lead box for storage. Marshall Paul Holloway wrote: Hello List, I have a friend who lives at 8000 feet altitude.He is having problems making CS that doesn't go yellow.His water quality is good, as is his technique, from what he describes (cold DW 30v limited to <1mA with stirrer or bubbler).He has concluded that the high altitude is the problem.I can't see how that would stop him from making good quality CS.Any ideas? Paul H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>unsubscribe
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Re: CS>Air compressors- safe ones for use with Harbor Freight airbrush nebulizer
Home Depot compressors are all made by Campbell-Hausfeld. repainted red and remarked just thought you'd like to know. Agreed WalMArt is crap If you want professioanl quality compressors go to Lindsayengraving.com Steve (friend of mine) carries lots of good ones but i'll warn you up front they are pricey and silent HArbor Freight is all chinese junk period their store is right down the street from me good for disposable stuff nothing more - Original Message - From: "ransley" To: "The Silverlist" ; "fg227" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: RE: CS>Air compressors- safe ones for use with Harbor Freight airbrush nebulizer > I own and use several air compressors in my business. I would never even > think about paying money for a Campbell-Hausfeld. They are mostly good for > making noise and making your electricity meter spin fast. The selection of > oilless compressors from Lowe's or Home Depot are superior to anything at > WalMart. > > The 12 volt compressors all make a lot of noise and won't last long under > continued use. They do not shut off automatically. If I wanted to nebulize > while traveling I would simply use a large CLEAN air tank, filled from an > OILLESS compressor at home- not from any compressors at gas stations or tire > shops. To conserve air I would use an off-on valve to allow the air to enter > the nebulizer only when I wanted to breathe it. This in addition to a > regulator set for about 15 psi. > > I can't legally tell you that it will be OK for you to breathe any air from > any air compressor. I can only tell you that I, my wife and my children have > nebulized CS many times with air from a Hitachi "pancake" style oilless air > compressor, no filter, no ill effects. > > I learned how to do all of this back when nebulizers could not be bought for > less than $250. > > Now you can buy them in the $50 range, and you can even buy rechargeable > battery powered ones that are small and portable. Why mess with air > compressors and airbrushes, unless you have very serious problems that may > benefit from the more directed spray of an airbrush possibly coupled with > pure oxygen from a tank? The only reason I still do it this way is because I > already have all the stuff paid for, but it's all very noisy and cumbersome, > and I may change my ways. > > Daddybob > > -Original Message- > From: fg227 [mailto:fig...@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:37 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>Air compressors- safe ones for use with Harbor Freight > airbrush nebulizer > > > I have the Harbor Freight airbrush for propelling the cs/msm/dmso mixture > into the lungs. I need a clean oilless source of compressed air > > ___ > > At Wal-Mart I saw this exact same 12 volt compressor you plug into the > ignition to inflate tires. Does anyone know if the compressed air output is > clean and oiless? > http://tinyurl.com/565w6 > http://amos.shop.com/amos/cc/pcd/5746014/prd/8202998/ccsyn/260 > > > > __ > > > Also at Wal-Mart I saw this exact same Campbell-Hausfeld 2 gallon tank air > compressor which is called oilless. Does anyone know how clean the air > output would be? Wal Mart did not show it on-line but it's the same as > aircompressor's direct has > > http://tinyurl.com/2vmd5 > > http://aircompressorsdirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=119 > > > > Thanks > Dan > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS> enveryone needs some help sometime
Its fun to watch you guys argue over each others mental qualiifications and the requirement for therapy I have been in therapy for over 12 years - something to do with Nam and all the killing and a continued career in death working plane crashes homicide child abuse etc.as a forensic specialist. I don't think its a bad thing because we can get off track and loose ourselves in the melee of life. Perhaps those of us who go overboard to perpetuate life are the ones who need to spend a little more time on the couch to onceagain realize that trying to stay healty and alive for God knows how long is truely working against nature, We we never supposed to live forever and all these little bugs and nasty things, well they have to eat too to survive. Man has opted out of the food chain and now refuses to allow the worms to get him/her after death through the use of preservatives. It's not natural if you take a real hard look at it. On the otherhand I do love the relief CS gives me from the bugs and I have no intention of letting them make me feel like crap if I can stop them. But given all the changes in the world and the little critters are geyying stronger each day there will come a time when all of this is futile. The earth is a mutual eating society. It's the way things work. Nice to be outside the loop but make no mistake someday the bugs are going to get you regardless of how many chemicals you suck in. Hope this doesn't ruffle anyones feathers. Just consider the fact that when you start throwing out topics like thearapy there are those of us out here with major experience in that realm and more in philosopy who are quite willing to step in and ask you if thats really where you want to go. Peace Steve Ellsworth - Original Message - From: "Jim Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: RE: CS> garnet needs therapy > Most therapists I have known need therapy. > > -Original Message- > From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 6:01 AM > To: Silver List > Subject: Re: CS> garnet needs therapy > > Who needs therapy? > > > On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 20:52, name withheld wrote: > > hi > > i think garnet should see a therapist for emotional problems. > > > > garnet can have her say and nenah can have her say. > > > > but this argument is helping no one. > > > > > > > > On Nov 24, 2004, at 10:37 AM, Garnet wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 00:43, Nenah Sylver wrote: > > >> - Original Message - > > >> From: "Garnet" > > >> To: "Silver List" > > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:11 AM > > >> Subject: CS> > > >> > > >> > > >>> Toxic as defined in Stedman's Medical Dictionary means poisonous. > > >>> Poisonous is defined as injurious or dangerous to health. > > >> > > >> I know what poisonous means, Garnet. Ozone is not poisonous. > > > > > > That is a totally irresponsible statement in light of the many studies > > > documenting injurious effects of pure ozone. > > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> I have medical grade ozone equipment obtained from Plasmafire in > > >>>> Canada and > > >> use > > >>>> it for many purposes. When ozone is inhaled through olive oil (or > > >>>> tea tree > > >> and > > >>>> other essential oils), an entirely new compound is created. > > >> > > >>> Do you know what that compound is? If not how do you know if it is > > >>> toxic? Not all toxic effects are immediately apparent. Olive Oil is > > >>> often not pure and may contain hexane or lye. How do you know that > > >>> the > > >>> olive oil you are using is actually pure -- do you have it assayed, > > >>> do > > >>> you know batch numbers in case there is a recall? Tee Tree oil if it > > >>> is > > >>> an inferior grade can contain toxic compounds -- again do you use > > >>> assayed numbered batches? > > >> > > >> This is a spurious argument. If I spent my time getting substances > > >> assayed, I > > >> wouldn't be living. I am satisfied that the substances I'm using with > > >> ozone are > > >> pure. > > >> > > > > > > That is an often used and very convenient evasion Nenah, but simply > > > what > > > I expect of those in your position to make money by putting a > > > disi
