Cisco and con-men
Hi listers, Have unhapply come across the postings on Cisco.Its a shame that there are people like that-but you meet them every day. How can they be recognized ? Its easy if you will please observe a few simple rules. 1. Will never give their complete name.Ask for something legal with their name on it. I.D.card,driver license,elec bill,phone bill,bank statement, their address etc..Use your creativeness. 2. You can not verify things they say. Ask for details,dates,times, places,people with them,what they did,how they did it.Check it out for yourself,don`t take their word for it. 3. They are evasive,never give a straight answer,try to confuse the issue with other things,like to change the subject. 4. Will argue about anything and everything to cover up what they are doing. Try to put you on the defensive and make you guilty of whatever happens. Looking at Cisco`s posting clued me in right away to a con-man.Have been to Guam many times and know whats there. Pay attention folks, there are others around, right on this list. I never respond to their posting and try to ignor them. Remember your first clue is they want to be your friends and get into what you are doing,but will not give their names,address or even the part of the country they are in. So beware and keep up the good work.:-) Bless you Bob Lee PS, My name is Lee not Lees, Lees refers to all the family. They all use the computer.:-) -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: [Fwd: Question] From Stan on Cisco
>All, > In light of all this bad news, have any of you viewed the plans that Cisco >had for the CS generator he was said to have used over there. The one that made >five gallons at a time. I have these plans and was going to use them to make >the silver for the horses. I don't know now if they are even viable plans for >making correct silver. It appealed to me to not have to use electricity like >some of the expensive machines that make more silver faster??? Maybe it was >divine intervention that my husband is so slow to do this for me.:) Any help >is much appreciated. Deb Why not make or buy 100PPM and dilute with distilled water? Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CISCO
vibrnthealth wrote: > > Daniel Holly wrote: > > > > I too agree. > > Accelerate the workings of KarmaWow > > , I hope I can say Wow again , just because an idea doesn't work > as fast as one would want don't destroy intention . Positive advice > might be given to Cisco. Intention is like prayer it has positive > results. Dave T. Tough to get good fruit out of a bad tree. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: [Fwd: Question] From Stan on Cisco
All, In light of all this bad news, have any of you viewed the plans that Cisco had for the CS generator he was said to have used over there. The one that made five gallons at a time. I have these plans and was going to use them to make the silver for the horses. I don't know now if they are even viable plans for making correct silver. It appealed to me to not have to use electricity like some of the expensive machines that make more silver faster??? Maybe it was divine intervention that my husband is so slow to do this for me.:) Any help is much appreciated. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CISCO
I too agree. Accelerate the workings of Karma Go to the local Mafia there in Guam and pay the RIGHT person a thousand or so to force Cisco the rip-off artist to surrender title to the boat. Reach the *wife* and she will squeal on Cicso and spill the beans. Don't forget that Guam is third world and that there are plenty of thugs who will do your work for you at the right price. The boat can be sold and some of the money recovered. The boat does not seem to be a 27,000$ boat.My guess is that 6,000$ was spent on the boat and Cisco squandered or more likely still has the rest of the dough. Probably in real estate..check out deeds in his and wife's name. He put on an act of being out of money because he knew word would get back to Rifers in the USA and world of a boat that needed repair and a poor Cisco and wife.. [who somehow have enough $$$ to drink lousy overpriced beer all the live long day.] He sound like a former doper who now drinks instead but remembered his old doper scams and rip offs. My guess is that other locals have been screwed by Cisco and that he has a bad reputation. Dan -Original Message- From: Paul Bass To: rife-l...@eskimo.com ; Tom McCoy Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 10:59 PM Subject: Re: Cisco >Tom, > I agree. >-Original Message- >From: Tom McCoy >To: rife-l...@eskimo.com >Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 2:17 AM >Subject: Re: Cisco > > >>Reid, >> >>Oh... Don't get me wrong, of course I would NEVER advocate any type of >>violence or revenge... on behalf of John to a man who hustled him out of >>his savings to be used to help other terminally ill people isolated of >>islands without modern medical facilities. And why shouldn't Cisco enjoy >>himself guzzling a couple hundred bucks worth of beer a week while relaxing >>on his new boat... I'm just saying that no one is untouchable and folks >>who pray on generous folks in such a way are lower then pond scum in my >>eyes and ultimately (one would hope) get theirs one way or another. >>Personally, I "might" consider helping karma along just a tad bit since I >>don't feel pond scum really deserves to enjoy themselves with MY MONEY. >>Such a reaction might be considered somewhat excessive in some peoples eyes >>but in mine, it's simply TAKING OUT THE TRASH! >> >>At 08:20 PM 7/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >>>>List, >>>>So, enough of the guess work already, lets hear about this lifestyle. >I'd >>>>like to hear about what kind of fun can be had with a boat like he has >out >>>>there somewhere in the South Pacific. Maybe the guy from TN. should just >>>>blow/invest another couple of grand and go down there and visit his >money. >>>>The vacation might do him some good and, if he and Cisco don't get along >he >>>>could just TOSS the good Cisco overboard and sell off the boat to the >local >>>>pirates. Surely a good ol'e boy from TN should know how to make the best >>>>of a situation like this one if ya get my drift (pardon the pun). >>> >>> I doubt if Johnny would be able to do that right now. His wife just >>>had to have a complete knee replacment and he's taking care of her. >>> >>> >>> >>>Take Care >>> >>>Reid >>> >>> >>> >>Tom McCoyKN6KK >>Symation Technologies >> > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: [Fwd: Question] From Stan on Cisco
Jennifer Ruby wrote: > > This is direct from Stan on the Cisco Situation. Wish I had better > news. Hope this might settle the questions in peoples minds, and like > Stan said, "move on with Rife" . > Jennifer > > j > > --- > > Subject: Re: Question > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:35:14 -0500 > From: "Stanley Trumans Jr." > To: r...@phoenix.net > References: <35b89d0e.4cf13...@phoenix.net> > > Jennifer, > > I will never judge a man by what he wears or what he puts on his body. > (tatooes) but I will judge him by what he says and what he does. Rick was > only part of what I thought he would be like. He dresses like a biker and > has tatooes on his arms and long hair. > > Rick is a talker and even talks more after a can ( or cans ) of beer. I have > watched him and his wife sometime drink almost a case of beer everynight. I > find it funny that for a man who was suppose to have liver cancer and tells > evrybody they should be drinking silver water and taking different herbs, > etc. to put that much beer down ever night. I stayed on their boat for > almost 2 weeks smelling the cat box that was hardly ever changed and even > had to rent a car for us to drive around because they never got their tags > or what ever. I also ended up buying them some meals as their money was low > because neither one of them was working. His wife was wearing a back support > ( don't know for sure if back was bad or not ) and he told me he couldn't do > his job without her being able to do her job. She was doing sheet rock > mudding and taping. They did take me around the island one day and did some > sailing on other peoples boats. The boat that they bought with Johnnys money > has rotten wood both on deck and below deck and has no sails, rigging or > mast for the sails. They have the stuff to put it togeather but not the > money to do it. There is lots of wood work that needs to be done below deck > to make it a nice boat that would be sea worthy. Rick can carry a > conversation on any subject you want to. This is what made me wonder about > him. NOBODY knows everything. > > The straw that broke the camels back was when we went to the club, with > them drinking beer till 9 pm and when ricks wife asked me if I was having a > good time and I told her no I wasn't she asked me why. I told her that I > like having supper which I never got that night and then she told me that > they couldn't afford to eat out even after I was paying for most of the > meals for them. Then I told her they sure had enought money for beer ( > dollar a can ) and she got mad at me. Well Rick took me back to the boat and > started on me about having a attitude problem and then I started in on him. > The day after that I packed up my suit case and moved to a motel and ran > around with some people from the boat club who also have told me some stuff > about rick. I left Guam not knowing that he took the money from Johnny and > not signing the contract and mailing it back. Johnny told me he wanted to > tell me but he was afraid that I might end up in the bottom of the ocean so > he never told me till I got back. > > Rick is for Rick and will pay the price for doing what he did. Johnny has a > heart bigger than anybody I have ever talked to and its wrong to do what > rick did. Johnny has not heard a word from rick since he got the money. > > As for me the trip was not a complete failure as I have made some good > friends with a couple that have 2 children and treated me really great.I was > never offered to be shown around the islands that were suppose to have > machines that Rick has built and only seen one machine which johnny had > supplied most of the part for. > > So there it is. I could write you some more about him, but I now want to > move on with Rife and help johnny get some of his money back. > > Stan I feel sort of guilty for not expressing my view on Cisco, especially after he started asking for donations for his boat. I think I am partly responsible because I did suggest to him that if he were trying to help people that he should ask for donations. It was not a serious gesture on my part however. I was trying to finalize an accurate opinion on him. I remember a lot. I remember his posts to the Rife list. I noticed all the inconsistancies. Remember, with Cisco, you cannot challange him directly. He claimed to have to cured his cancer with a Bare/Rife device. The post on the cansema list suggests otherwise. He is also the only person I know that will tell you that he won the Purple Heart, the Silver Medal, and the Bronze medal in Veitnam, and use that as levarage to try to get what he wants. I confornted that sorry
Re: CISCO
>Lists and Reid - >The email address I have for Cisco is ci...@iftech.net >So who is gonna be the one to blow the lid off this can of worms? >Fidget I tryed the e-mail addresses and they've all bounced. I've still got his postal address and will drop him a line that way. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CISCO
brains wrote: > > well Dan I dont get a reply on that one . > > The original message was received at Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:48:35 +0930 > from c2-p27.senet.com.au [203.56.237.92] > >- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - > >> Try ci...@millertime.con -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CISCO
> >Brian, Barbara, Rifers and Silvers -- > >My first impression of this post was shock. It was rather difficult for > >me to believe that Cisco is or "would be" that kind of person. Let me > >tell you why... > >First, I went to various folders that I keep (different topics) and > >found many posts by Cisco either replying to Dan Manning or vice versa, > >dialogue I have had with him regarding my (recently deceased) friend > >with liver cancer, and other posts where he was just reporting on > >different methods of treatment - what worked and what didn't. I can > >send them if anyone is interested. However, all these were done around > >the end of May timeframe. Nothing after that. If anyone else has had > >any correspondence after that it would be interesting to note. > >Now when I thought about all of that and the things he said, it made it > >difficult to believe he is the type of person that was portrayed in this > >post by Johnny Burton (and sent in by Brian in Oz). > > >One more thing everyone may want to consider... Guam, Papua, New > >Guinea was just swept away by a huge tidal wave and thousands of people > >have lost their lives. I believe the entire country was almost wiped > >off the map. We're talking massive destruction here. > >Before we jump to conclusions about what kind of person Cisco might be, > >maybe we should consider if he is still alive? > >My .02 > > Fidget; > > Personally I find it hard to believe that Cisco could do what Johnny > said BUT I find it even "harder" not to believe Johnny would say something > like that with out good cause. > >I've met Johnny twice and have talked to him many times on the net. > He's the kind of person that thinks with his heart and wouldn't hurt > anyone. I just can't see him saying something that bad about someone > if it wasn't true and he didn't have a good cause. > >So does someone have an E-mail address for Cisco and could get his > comments on what is going on? > > Take Care > > Reid Lists and Reid - The email address I have for Cisco is ci...@iftech.net So who is gonna be the one to blow the lid off this can of worms? Fidget -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CISCO
Yes. He ca be reached at: ci...@budweiser.com Dan == -Original Message- From: Reid Smith > > So does someone have an E-mail address for Cisco and could get his >comments on what is going on? > > > >Take Care > >Reid > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CISCO
Reid Smith wrote: > >> Request By Johnny Burton to post this to the lists > >> Subject: The Real Cisco or " Fredrick Botten " of Guam > >> The all concerned. > >> The below is part of a letter sent to a friend a few weeks ago. > It > >> concerns Rick " Cisco " and his way of life. If you are so incline > to > >> donate anything for any reason to him I suggest you think twice. I > have > >> talked with Stanley Truman after his 2 week trip to Guam to visit > Cisco. > >> After the phone call it was evident I am a fool. The following is > to let > >> you know what has transpired in the last few months between Cisco > and I. > >> There is only one reason I would announce being so foolish to the > world. > >> This is keep it from happening to anyone else. > >> * > > >Brian, Barbara, Rifers and Silvers -- > >My first impression of this post was shock. It was rather difficult > for > >me to believe that Cisco is or "would be" that kind of person. Let > me > >tell you why... > >First, I went to various folders that I keep (different topics) and > >found many posts by Cisco either replying to Dan Manning or vice > versa, > >dialogue I have had with him regarding my (recently deceased) friend > >with liver cancer, and other posts where he was just reporting on > >different methods of treatment - what worked and what didn't. I can > >send them if anyone is interested. However, all these were done > around > >the end of May timeframe. Nothing after that. If anyone else has > had > >any correspondence after that it would be interesting to note. > >Now when I thought about all of that and the things he said, it made > it > >difficult to believe he is the type of person that was portrayed in > this > >post by Johnny Burton (and sent in by Brian in Oz). > > >One more thing everyone may want to consider... Guam, Papua, New > >Guinea was just swept away by a huge tidal wave and thousands of > people > >have lost their lives. I believe the entire country was almost wiped > > >off the map. We're talking massive destruction here. > >Before we jump to conclusions about what kind of person Cisco might > be, > >maybe we should consider if he is still alive? > >My .02 > > Fidget; > > Personally I find it hard to believe that Cisco could do what Johnny > > said BUT I find it even "harder" not to believe Johnny would say > something > like that with out good cause. > >I've met Johnny twice and have talked to him many times on the net. > > He's the kind of person that thinks with his heart and wouldn't hurt > anyone. I just can't see him saying something that bad about someone > if it wasn't true and he didn't have a good cause. > >So does someone have an E-mail address for Cisco and could get his > comments on what is going on? > > Take Care > > Reid > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour Reid I have been emailing him for a month or more via his daughter and had two replies saying all is well ...but nothing personally ... -- Peace and Health to you and may the White Light protect you Barbara and Brian in OZ VK5KBW http://www.senet.com.au/~brains/intro.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CISCO
>> Request By Johnny Burton to post this to the lists >> Subject: The Real Cisco or " Fredrick Botten " of Guam >> The all concerned. >> The below is part of a letter sent to a friend a few weeks ago. It >> concerns Rick " Cisco " and his way of life. If you are so incline to >> donate anything for any reason to him I suggest you think twice. I have >> talked with Stanley Truman after his 2 week trip to Guam to visit Cisco. >> After the phone call it was evident I am a fool. The following is to let >> you know what has transpired in the last few months between Cisco and I. >> There is only one reason I would announce being so foolish to the world. >> This is keep it from happening to anyone else. >> * >Brian, Barbara, Rifers and Silvers -- >My first impression of this post was shock. It was rather difficult for >me to believe that Cisco is or "would be" that kind of person. Let me >tell you why... >First, I went to various folders that I keep (different topics) and >found many posts by Cisco either replying to Dan Manning or vice versa, >dialogue I have had with him regarding my (recently deceased) friend >with liver cancer, and other posts where he was just reporting on >different methods of treatment - what worked and what didn't. I can >send them if anyone is interested. However, all these were done around >the end of May timeframe. Nothing after that. If anyone else has had >any correspondence after that it would be interesting to note. >Now when I thought about all of that and the things he said, it made it >difficult to believe he is the type of person that was portrayed in this >post by Johnny Burton (and sent in by Brian in Oz). >One more thing everyone may want to consider... Guam, Papua, New >Guinea was just swept away by a huge tidal wave and thousands of people >have lost their lives. I believe the entire country was almost wiped >off the map. We're talking massive destruction here. >Before we jump to conclusions about what kind of person Cisco might be, >maybe we should consider if he is still alive? >My .02 Fidget; Personally I find it hard to believe that Cisco could do what Johnny said BUT I find it even "harder" not to believe Johnny would say something like that with out good cause. I've met Johnny twice and have talked to him many times on the net. He's the kind of person that thinks with his heart and wouldn't hurt anyone. I just can't see him saying something that bad about someone if it wasn't true and he didn't have a good cause. So does someone have an E-mail address for Cisco and could get his comments on what is going on? Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CISCO
Fidget wrote: > > > * > > Brian, Barbara, Rifers and Silvers -- > > My first impression of this post was shock. It was rather difficult for > me to believe that Cisco is or "would be" that kind of person. Let me > tell you why... The man has come to a conclusion and admitted to the world he is a "fool". The only other alternative to this is that he is even a bigger fool if he is wrong. This would be easy to "spin" so we may not know for awhile. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CISCO
I don't know anything about Cisco except what we've seen on the list and a few private e-mails. What does this message represent in terms of truth? It is no more than characters on a screen to most of us and we have no way to know. In Cisco's case, I see an example of how easy it would be to create a charismatic online persona and lead people to whatever beliefs you want them to have. I also see how easy it would be to destroy the reputation of an innocent person. It can also be a case of dedicated but not-so-innocent people running afoul of their own weaknesses. Which is it? I don't pretend to know. Whether Cisco has done what he claims to have, or what he's accused of, that work is (or would be) valuable. Someone should be doing it. There will probably be answering messages and people will be tempted to argue. I don't want a brouhaha over this. By all means let's talk it over and learn from it, but let's stay on target. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CISCO
brains wrote: > > Request By Johnny Burton to post this to the lists > > Subject: The Real Cisco or " Fredrick Botten " of Guam >Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 05:40:06 + >From: Johnny Burton > To: Rifers > > The all concerned. > The below is part of a letter sent to a friend a few weeks ago. It > concerns Rick > " Cisco " and his way of life. If you are so incline to donate anything > for any reason to him I suggest you think twice. I have talked with > Stanley Truman after his 2 week trip to Guam to visit Cisco. After the > phone call it was evident I am a > fool. The following is to let you know what has transpired in the last > few months between Cisco and I. There is only one reason I would > announce being so foolish to the world. This is keep it from happening > to anyone else. > > * Brian, Barbara, Rifers and Silvers -- My first impression of this post was shock. It was rather difficult for me to believe that Cisco is or "would be" that kind of person. Let me tell you why... First, I went to various folders that I keep (different topics) and found many posts by Cisco either replying to Dan Manning or vice versa, dialogue I have had with him regarding my (recently deceased) friend with liver cancer, and other posts where he was just reporting on different methods of treatment - what worked and what didn't. I can send them if anyone is interested. However, all these were done around the end of May timeframe. Nothing after that. If anyone else has had any correspondence after that it would be interesting to note. Now when I thought about all of that and the things he said, it made it difficult to believe he is the type of person that was portrayed in this post by Johnny Burton (and sent in by Brian in Oz). One more thing everyone may want to consider... Guam, Papua, New Guinea was just swept away by a huge tidal wave and thousands of people have lost their lives. I believe the entire country was almost wiped off the map. We're talking massive destruction here. Before we jump to conclusions about what kind of person Cisco might be, maybe we should consider if he is still alive? My .02 Fidget -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CISCO
Request By Johnny Burton to post this to the lists Subject: The Real Cisco or " Fredrick Botten " of Guam Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 05:40:06 + From: Johnny Burton To: Rifers The all concerned. The below is part of a letter sent to a friend a few weeks ago. It concerns Rick " Cisco " and his way of life. If you are so incline to donate anything for any reason to him I suggest you think twice. I have talked with Stanley Truman after his 2 week trip to Guam to visit Cisco. After the phone call it was evident I am a fool. The following is to let you know what has transpired in the last few months between Cisco and I. There is only one reason I would announce being so foolish to the world. This is keep it from happening to anyone else. * I will cut this very short for the whole story spans months. About the first of this year was my second real contract with Rick. The first was with his trying to get a sweep made for his Lodestar. This lasted only only a few weeks due to a communication problem. I couldn't figure out exactly what he was trying to do. Once I did figure it out he had solved the problem himself, so he said. Anyway about the first of this year we merged again. Some time around February he asked, or joking asked if I could spare the money for his boat. I declined. A few weeks later he asked again. By this time I thought he was just a fellow that needed a break. I started to think of ways I could help and not create a burden on me in case something went wrong in the deal or my work. This was done by refinancing my house which did indeed help if payments where made as promised. The loan was made around the middle of April. The money was transferred to his banking account by my bank. The Bank Papers are the only proof of the loan. I made an agreement that I sent to him that more or less stated in the event of my death the boat would belong to him even it was not paid for. He argue that this would not work and sent me a contract to read, sign, notarize and send back for him and he would do the same on his end. I did just this. I have not yet seen its return, nor a payment, nor have I heard hardly anything from him explaining why except that it takes 8 weeks for any delivery. He was also was supposed to of sent a box containing pictures and gifts for my wife and myself. This has not been seen. He told me he mailed it off and it was returned back to him because of the wrong address. I would have believe him except for two things. One, he asked where to send it to and received a post with the address on it. Two, He said he copied the address from a label on one of the boxes I had sent him and I had spelled the my address wrong. He was doing good until he said TN was spelled TENN. I have not used this in years mainly because I am lazy. By this time I was getting quite aggravated but I had order some Powder Copper for him to put on boats. I told him I would not send it until a payment was made. He said a payment had been made. 3 trips to the bank proved otherwise with his explanation being he forgot to sign the draft. Of course this didn't make the payment ether and about the same time his wife became ill. Well, seeing as how I already had the copper order and had to buy it then I went ahead and sent it. This is really the part that torque me the most. It was bad enough I had sent him $27,000 and had no proof of anything to do with the boat I was now going to have to provide a means for him to pay it back. After I told him it was on its its way he was very excited. He made the statement " he would not have to do any construction work for 2 months" I was also to receive $1500 in payments in a week or so. This was over a 1 month ago or should have arrived in June. He knows as well as I that I have very few options in this matter. I have found the fellow he brought the boat from and talked with him. The title was turned over to Rick and he didn't know how it was filled out. Rick's original plan was the boat would be in my name until it was paid for. This changed after he received the money to it was in his name and I was the lean holder. I feel this is not on the title ether. Rick also owes Moss McAfee ( the original boat owner ) for a truck according to Moss. Rick broke off email shortly before the money was transferred. All the statements he made are only what I remember ( FT ) so I have no proof of any of them. I do, I feel, have enough to put him in a bind if I wanted to spend a lot of money to do so. This is not my way. I have proven to myself I am a fool. While I am not in a financial bind because of it; my house note will now be prolonged by 5 years to pay for this mistake and lesson. There can be no doubt that letting your heart lead the way is very costly not to mention just plain stupid. The statement about not having to do any work for 2 m
CISCO
Request By Johnny Burton to post this to the lists Subject: The Real Cisco or " Fredrick Botten " of Guam Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 05:40:06 + From: Johnny Burton To: Rifers The all concerned. The below is part of a letter sent to a friend a few weeks ago. It concerns Rick " Cisco " and his way of life. If you are so incline to donate anything for any reason to him I suggest you think twice. I have talked with Stanley Truman after his 2 week trip to Guam to visit Cisco. After the phone call it was evident I am a fool. The following is to let you know what has transpired in the last few months between Cisco and I. There is only one reason I would announce being so foolish to the world. This is keep it from happening to anyone else. * I will cut this very short for the whole story spans months. About the first of this year was my second real contract with Rick. The first was with his trying to get a sweep made for his Lodestar. This lasted only only a few weeks due to a communication problem. I couldn't figure out exactly what he was trying to do. Once I did figure it out he had solved the problem himself, so he said. Anyway about the first of this year we merged again. Some time around February he asked, or joking asked if I could spare the money for his boat. I declined. A few weeks later he asked again. By this time I thought he was just a fellow that needed a break. I started to think of ways I could help and not create a burden on me in case something went wrong in the deal or my work. This was done by refinancing my house which did indeed help if payments where made as promised. The loan was made around the middle of April. The money was transferred to his banking account by my bank. The Bank Papers are the only proof of the loan. I made an agreement that I sent to him that more or less stated in the event of my death the boat would belong to him even it was not paid for. He argue that this would not work and sent me a contract to read, sign, notarize and send back for him and he would do the same on his end. I did just this. I have not yet seen its return, nor a payment, nor have I heard hardly anything from him explaining why except that it takes 8 weeks for any delivery. He was also was supposed to of sent a box containing pictures and gifts for my wife and myself. This has not been seen. He told me he mailed it off and it was returned back to him because of the wrong address. I would have believe him except for two things. One, he asked where to send it to and received a post with the address on it. Two, He said he copied the address from a label on one of the boxes I had sent him and I had spelled the my address wrong. He was doing good until he said TN was spelled TENN. I have not used this in years mainly because I am lazy. By this time I was getting quite aggravated but I had order some Powder Copper for him to put on boats. I told him I would not send it until a payment was made. He said a payment had been made. 3 trips to the bank proved otherwise with his explanation being he forgot to sign the draft. Of course this didn't make the payment ether and about the same time his wife became ill. Well, seeing as how I already had the copper order and had to buy it then I went ahead and sent it. This is really the part that torque me the most. It was bad enough I had sent him $27,000 and had no proof of anything to do with the boat I was now going to have to provide a means for him to pay it back. After I told him it was on its its way he was very excited. He made the statement " he would not have to do any construction work for 2 months" I was also to receive $1500 in payments in a week or so. This was over a 1 month ago or should have arrived in June. He knows as well as I that I have very few options in this matter. I have found the fellow he brought the boat from and talked with him. The title was turned over to Rick and he didn't know how it was filled out. Rick's original plan was the boat would be in my name until it was paid for. This changed after he received the money to it was in his name and I was the lean holder. I feel this is not on the title ether. Rick also owes Moss McAfee ( the original boat owner ) for a truck according to Moss. Rick broke off email shortly before the money was transferred. All the statements he made are only what I remember ( FT ) so I have no proof of any of them. I do, I feel, have enough to put him in a bind if I wanted to spend a lot of money to do so. This is not my way. I have proven to myself I am a fool. While I am not in a financial bind because of it; my house note will now be prolonged by 5 years to pay for this mistake and lesson. There can be no doubt that letting your heart lead the way is very costly not to mention just plain stupid. The statement about not having to do any work for 2 m
FW: Fwd for Cisco ..."AGAIN WE TRY!"
-- From: Bill White Sent: Monday, May 25, 1998 6:26 PM To: 'Rife-List' Subject: Fwd for Cisco ..."AGAIN WE TRY!" List, There comes a time... You're help is needed... Let's get it done! Bill --- Begin Message --- To All: We have a problemand we need your help. We have purchased a research vessel. A 41 foot Formosa Sea Wolf Sail Boat. We need to rig an fit the boat for sail to several countries. This is not a dream this boat exists and in mooring in Harbor at Piti, Guam. So far we have sailed two other boats to Indonesia and Papua New Guinea to deliver Rife and CS equipment. The problem is the other boats have left our harbor to find other places We need help to help other peopleI realize this is a hard concept with all the garbage about people giving money and it never reaching the people it is designed to reach. We have proven differently, we have gone the distance.and we have given more than we took. So far the count is 9 Rife/Bare units and 18 CS units delivered and in use. We intend to Video our research and post it with no charge to the netwe want to do what we set out to do. The cost has gone beyond our estimatesa $125,000 sail boat with a full refit requires $20,000 more to go the distance. We are accountable and we need helpeven small donations will help us to complete this journey. IF anyone out there knows of someone who can help us in any manner please tell uswe are prepared to make some concessions and do what is required to complete this project. This is not a simple request for me I would rather do it all myself...Jar-Heads are that waybut time has pre-empted my thinkingSo now I request help.not for me but for those who we can helpa distant calling.yer call peopleyou can make a difference in our research or just let it pass.I will hold no grudge...it is my dream not yours and I will understand if funds and beliefs do not allow your help. Gods Speed to you all, Cisco --- End Message ---
Re: Greetings to you too...Cisco
Gig, I always invite em to come over and put their money where their mouth isvery few takersactually none! Ya ever want to visit paradise and stay on a 41 foot Sea Wolf Sail Boat yer welcome to come.. Cisco Gig A Watt wrote: > > Dear Cisco... > > The way you make CS is OK with me... but there are > always complainers on the net just ignore them... I do... > > and when they flame you really bad... always thank > them on the net, for their input > > I knew the Hurricane was bad over there I use to listen > to your Guam radio station right after the storm (it broadcasts > in Real Audio on the net)... to get a update on whatw was > happening... > > I'll be talking to you soon... > > Gig > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Greetings to you too...Cisco
Dear Cisco... The way you make CS is OK with me... but there are always complainers on the net just ignore them... I do... and when they flame you really bad... always thank them on the net, for their input I knew the Hurricane was bad over there I use to listen to your Guam radio station right after the storm (it broadcasts in Real Audio on the net)... to get a update on whatw was happening... I'll be talking to you soon... Gig -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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G'day list .. as Cisco does not see this list ..I have copied the mails and sent them to him . -- Brian in OZ VK5KBW http://www.senet.com.au/~brains/intro.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CISCO
To Cisco: Greetings Mac! Drop a note to another ex-Gyrene (2d Mar Div, WWII - Tarawa, Saipan, Tinian, Okinawa). Semper Fi: Dean Woodward -Original Message- From: brains [mailto:bra...@senet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 7:05 AM To: silverlist Subject:CISCO Ok g'day list ... Cisco is an exmarine who lives on Guam and had a melanoma which metastasized to his liver . in most cases a death sentence ...well he was told he had 6 months to live 2 years ago so he got on to a Rife unit and used it also began using CS and having overcome his problem and knowing that there is a lot of people hurting out there he is helping all those he can with the Bare/rife unit, colloidal silver and anything he can use.. they had a Metussis (whooping cough) outbreak on Guam and that is why Cisco needed to make gallons of CS .. and it saved lives ..they lost a few but saved alot better odds than the medicos (I am biased)he also has been to some of the local islands with his CS and there is a Rife unit on an island that Cisco arranged for them as the "third world people " don't have access to the facilities that you and I have ... there is a lot more to Cisco but to tell all would cause problems for him and some others he helps elsewhere... so he has a big heart and uses it for good . hope this helps some -- Brian in OZ VK5KBW http://www.senet.com.au/~brains/intro.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Cisco?
Cisco is my friend of a year or so now. He's a great guy to talk with and good to help out with the questions I have re Rife. Makes massive amounts of CS for large things like wells and stuff. No medical care there,. Noone could afford it if there were. Hi Cisco if you see this1 Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
...and there is something else about CISCO
>Cisco is an exmarine who lives on Guam and had a melanoma which >metastasized to his liver . in most cases a death sentence ...well >he was told he had 6 months to live 2 years ago so he got on to a Rife >unit and used it also began using CS and having overcome his problem ...and there is something else, about Cisco... Some of you might remember the devestating hurricane that hit Guam last year tens of thousands of people were left homeless as the hurricane destroyed their homes and businesses and in some areas... power was out for six months fortunately, Cisco's house was not damaged very much by the hurricane s... he offered his residence to several other families to share... in fact, he said, (last year in an email to me) that he was 'Honored' to have several families live with him, in his house until they could rebuild and re-establish their lives... Not many people are like this... and for an ex-marine, this act of the heart was wa beyond the call of duty... Gig -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Ok g'day list ... Cisco is an exmarine who lives on Guam and had a melanoma which metastasized to his liver . in most cases a death sentence ...well he was told he had 6 months to live 2 years ago so he got on to a Rife unit and used it also began using CS and having overcome his problem and knowing that there is a lot of people hurting out there he is helping all those he can with the Bare/rife unit, colloidal silver and anything he can use.. they had a Metussis (whooping cough) outbreak on Guam and that is why Cisco needed to make gallons of CS .. and it saved lives ..they lost a few but saved alot better odds than the medicos (I am biased)he also has been to some of the local islands with his CS and there is a Rife unit on an island that Cisco arranged for them as the "third world people " don't have access to the facilities that you and I have ... there is a lot more to Cisco but to tell all would cause problems for him and some others he helps elsewhere... so he has a big heart and uses it for good . hope this helps some -- Brian in OZ VK5KBW http://www.senet.com.au/~brains/intro.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Cisco?
On 5 May 98 at 19:19, Brian wrote: > G'day Mike . what would you like to know .. I speak with > Cisco almost every night .. A couple of messages from/about him were forwarded to the list. He sounded interesting. I'd never heard of him before though it seemed he was well known. Thought it might be good to know his background. A couple of folks have responded off-list, and I now have an idea of where he's at and what kind of efforts he's a part of. Sounds like a good gent to know. If you'd like to give a non-intrusive sketch of the man and his situation for the benefit of others on the list who don't know him, that would be really nice. He's really demonstrating the value of CS in a survivalist or third world type scenario. Thanks, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Cisco?
M. G. Devour wrote: > > Can you provide any biographical info on this Cisco person? It seems > they have an interesting place in the world and are using CS to good > advantage. > > The postings prove you can do just about anything sensible and still > make decent CS. > > Be well, > > Mike > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@mail.id.net ] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour G'day Mike . what would you like to know .. I speak with Ciksco almost every night .. -- Brian in OZ VK5KBW http://www.senet.com.au/~brains/intro.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Cisco?
Can you provide any biographical info on this Cisco person? It seems they have an interesting place in the world and are using CS to good advantage. The postings prove you can do just about anything sensible and still make decent CS. Be well, Mike [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
