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How Silver Tarnishes People will say that silver turns color, gets dark, or oxidizes. While these may all be general descriptions, they are not scientifically accurate. Silver is a metal that has many unique properties: It's lustrous and is attractive for jewelry, and it is soft and easy to bend and shape. It also is dramatically affected by air pollution, notably what are known as sulfides (sulphides). When a car or lawn mower burns gasoline, or an electric plant burns coal, it generates air pollution such as sulfur dioxide. This goes into the air and circulates everywhere. Therefore if you live downwind of a power plant, or in an urban environment, then your silver will tarnish faster. Tarnish by definition ? ode At 12:27 PM 9/25/2011 -0400, you wrote: Hi list, I am obviously late to this thread but as a chemist, I would say that the common tarnishing of silver is produced by the formation of a layer of silver oxide, not silver sulfide. While it is true that there are some sulphur compounds in the atmosphere, the concentration is too small to be of consequence. Cheers FrankND -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:26 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS[List Owner] Whew! Mike has a tendency to fixate on one idea, which may or may not have any real or practical basis, to the exclusion of all other elements that might modify that one. For instance: Sulphur can tarnish silver and some is present in the environment, therefore, any discoloration of silver HAS to be tarnish from exposure to sulphur...and any evidence to the contrary gets ignored or warped to fit. If anyone points that out, HE has a fit. Ode At 10:05 AM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote: Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to kill the spores he supected were poisening him. Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process. Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling. I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely person. David Bearrow -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Whew! Hi folks, Whew! Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his venture. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Frank may have more info, but i surmise that the grey beard is silver hydroxide particles trapped in the surface tension of hydrogen bubbles forming a semi conductive shell which grows another hydrogen bubble to trap more silver hydroxide in. The black is silver oxide. If no stirring is used and the current is high enough, you can see a golden mist coming from one electrode [silver oxide] and a white mist [silver hydroxide] with nothing in between [ions] Where these mists contact the bottom, spots form. Note that between a white and black spot, a silver mirror often forms For that to happen, silver ions must be picking up electrons from the surface of the glass. Glass acts like a capacitor and also a poor solar panel that picks up electromagnetic radiation. Ode At 06:19 PM 9/25/2011 -0500, you wrote: As a chemist, what would you say are the compounds that form on the bottom of a CS production cell under each respective electrode. I have noticed this particularly when using straight (unbent) wires for electrodes with no stirring of the solution. There is a white precipitate under one electrode and a browner or yellower precipitate (if I remember right) under the other. These materials seem to dissolve in the solution as soon as it is stirred. What is the grey beard material on the cathode and the black material on the anode? When I used to make silver jewelery I used to have quite a problem with tarnishing which I believe was coming from natural gas (possibly an additive) used for cooking in the home. Thanks, Dan On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Frank frankcuns-r...@comcast.net wrote: Hi list, I am obviously late to this thread but as a chemist, I would say that the common tarnishing of silver is produced by the formation of a layer of silver oxide, not silver sulfide. While it is true that there are some sulphur compounds in the atmosphere, the concentration is too small to be of consequence. Cheers FrankND -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:26 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS[List Owner] Whew! Â Mike has a tendency to fixate on one idea, which may or may not have any real or practical basis, to the exclusion of all other elements that might modify that one. For instance: Â Sulphur can tarnish silver and some is present in the environment, therefore, any discoloration of silver HAS to be tarnish from exposure to sulphur...and any evidence to the contrary gets ignored or warped to fit. If anyone points that out, Â HE has a fit. Ode At 10:05 AM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote: Â Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to kill the spores he supected were poisening him. Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process. Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling. I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely person. David Bearrow -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Whew! Hi folks, Whew! Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his venture. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Â Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: Â mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: Â http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I fail to see how desulfurizing would be useful when sulphur isn't really a problem that needs solving to start with. If you have that much sulphur in your environment, you have bigger problems that have nothing to do with making [EIS] CS. ..like acid rain and stink air ? And even then, it's easily kept away from the process. Normally, it takes MONTHs for airborne sulphur to tarnish silver and it's removed instantly the moment you apply power using the proper polarity, whether or not aluminum/ silver reactions create the various ions. If you think a little sulphur or sulfuric acid is going to hurt you, don't eat onions. BTW Sulpha drugs were once prevalent in killing off germs. How about Silver sulfadiazine ... BRAND NAME(S): Silvadene works by stopping the growth of bacteria that may infect an open wound. So..WHY NOT put some CS in your onion soup? ode At 12:42 PM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote: You wrote: So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method of desulfurizing *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for EIS making. Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee, Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS production more understandable and removing it from the realm of having to make it by the phase of the moon or thinking that there is no way to get understandable or consistent results. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike has a tendency to fixate on one idea, which may or may not have any real or practical basis, to the exclusion of all other elements that might modify that one. For instance: Sulphur can tarnish silver and some is present in the environment, therefore, any discoloration of silver HAS to be tarnish from exposure to sulphur...and any evidence to the contrary gets ignored or warped to fit. If anyone points that out, HE has a fit. Ode At 10:05 AM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote: Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to kill the spores he supected were poisening him. Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process. Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling. I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely person. David Bearrow -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Whew! Hi folks, Whew! Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his venture. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi list, I am obviously late to this thread but as a chemist, I would say that the common tarnishing of silver is produced by the formation of a layer of silver oxide, not silver sulfide. While it is true that there are some sulphur compounds in the atmosphere, the concentration is too small to be of consequence. Cheers FrankND -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:26 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS[List Owner] Whew! Mike has a tendency to fixate on one idea, which may or may not have any real or practical basis, to the exclusion of all other elements that might modify that one. For instance: Sulphur can tarnish silver and some is present in the environment, therefore, any discoloration of silver HAS to be tarnish from exposure to sulphur...and any evidence to the contrary gets ignored or warped to fit. If anyone points that out, HE has a fit. Ode At 10:05 AM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote: Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to kill the spores he supected were poisening him. Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process. Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling. I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely person. David Bearrow -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Whew! Hi folks, Whew! Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his venture. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Haha, yeah I am getting a little bit of a don't say anything off topic (ie does not fit with his theories) vibe on his forum. But understandably it is his forum meant to bring out directions for a specific process to be tried. I'll be seeing what he does. I hope it works. ~David
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Hi Ode, good point, however there is a profound diff between the making of something, f'rinstance EIS, and then it's subsequent effects either by compounding it or inadvertently formed reactions of some unspecified nature deep within the mysterious human bod. Take care, Malcolm On Sun, 2011-09-25 at 07:56 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: I fail to see how desulfurizing would be useful when sulphur isn't really a problem that needs solving to start with. If you have that much sulphur in your environment, you have bigger problems that have nothing to do with making [EIS] CS. ..like acid rain and stink air ? And even then, it's easily kept away from the process. Normally, it takes MONTHs for airborne sulphur to tarnish silver and it's removed instantly the moment you apply power using the proper polarity, whether or not aluminum/ silver reactions create the various ions. If you think a little sulphur or sulfuric acid is going to hurt you, don't eat onions. BTW Sulpha drugs were once prevalent in killing off germs. How about Silver sulfadiazine ... BRAND NAME(S): Silvadene works by stopping the growth of bacteria that may infect an open wound. So..WHY NOT put some CS in your onion soup? ode At 12:42 PM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote: You wrote: So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method of desulfurizing *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for EIS making. Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee, Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS production more understandable and removing it from the realm of having to make it by the phase of the moon or thinking that there is no way to get understandable or consistent results. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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That would be welcome. I frankly doubt the claim that the EIS will be radically different from the usual current-controlled electrolysis. The appeal of his idea for me was that the process of making it could be greatly simplified and that very cheap devices could become available to folks who need them and have the open-mindedness to experiment with something new. That's a very small market, sadly. On 2011/09/26, at 1:40, David AuBuchon wrote: Haha, yeah I am getting a little bit of a don't say anything off topic (ie does not fit with his theories) vibe on his forum. But understandably it is his forum meant to bring out directions for a specific process to be tried. I'll be seeing what he does. I hope it works. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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As a chemist, what would you say are the compounds that form on the bottom of a CS production cell under each respective electrode. I have noticed this particularly when using straight (unbent) wires for electrodes with no stirring of the solution. There is a white precipitate under one electrode and a browner or yellower precipitate (if I remember right) under the other. These materials seem to dissolve in the solution as soon as it is stirred. What is the grey beard material on the cathode and the black material on the anode? When I used to make silver jewelery I used to have quite a problem with tarnishing which I believe was coming from natural gas (possibly an additive) used for cooking in the home. Thanks, Dan On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Frank frankcuns-r...@comcast.net wrote: Hi list, I am obviously late to this thread but as a chemist, I would say that the common tarnishing of silver is produced by the formation of a layer of silver oxide, not silver sulfide. While it is true that there are some sulphur compounds in the atmosphere, the concentration is too small to be of consequence. Cheers FrankND -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:26 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS[List Owner] Whew! Mike has a tendency to fixate on one idea, which may or may not have any real or practical basis, to the exclusion of all other elements that might modify that one. For instance: Sulphur can tarnish silver and some is present in the environment, therefore, any discoloration of silver HAS to be tarnish from exposure to sulphur...and any evidence to the contrary gets ignored or warped to fit. If anyone points that out, HE has a fit. Ode At 10:05 AM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote: Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to kill the spores he supected were poisening him. Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process. Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling. I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely person. David Bearrow -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Whew! Hi folks, Whew! Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his venture. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to kill the spores he supected were poisening him. Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process. Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling. I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely person. David Bearrow -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Whew! Hi folks, Whew! Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his venture. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi David: Indeed. Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book. The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I do not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage wherever they go. Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation. Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual. It is quite normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very, very different. Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order to hear. For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products. I know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be as honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the decent thing to do. If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his advice could possibly kill them. You don't treat throat infections with sublingual anything, least of all strep. I also wouldn't appreciate very much if he told his single mother with three kids that her pneumonia or bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get something similiar to mesothelioma. And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is no oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is formed through oxidation). When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if they want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's fine; they need to go see a doctor. Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant supply of fresh ions. Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for about a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least every 15 minutes until the throat starts to feel better, and then about every hour or two until the problem is gone. If results are not achieved within 48 hours (which has never happened in my experience), then one would still need to see an qualified MD. Some strep infections are really simple, and some are very aggressive. One cannot know offhand how aggressive the infection is, or why. I'm all for methods to improve EIS. I'd be working on them myself, only I haven't ever had the need.The stuff we make works extremely well, and always works for the things I believe it WILL work for. So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. ~Jason - Original Message - From: David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 08:05 Subject: RE: CS[List Owner] Whew! Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to kill the spores he supected were poisening him. Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process. Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling. I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely person. David Bearrow -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Whew! Hi folks
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You wrote: So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method of desulfurizing *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for EIS making. Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee, Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS production more understandable and removing it from the realm of having to make it by the phase of the moon or thinking that there is no way to get understandable or consistent results. Dan On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi David: Indeed. Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book. The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I do not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage wherever they go. Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation. Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual. It is quite normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very, very different. Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order to hear. For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products. I know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be as honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the decent thing to do. If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his advice could possibly kill them. You don't treat throat infections with sublingual anything, least of all strep. I also wouldn't appreciate very much if he told his single mother with three kids that her pneumonia or bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get something similiar to mesothelioma. And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is no oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is formed through oxidation). When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if they want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's fine; they need to go see a doctor. Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant supply of fresh ions. Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for about a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least every 15 minutes until the throat starts to feel better, and then about every hour or two until the problem is gone. If results are not achieved within 48 hours (which has never happened in my experience), then one would still need to see an qualified MD. Some strep infections are really simple, and some are very aggressive. One cannot know offhand how aggressive the infection is, or why. I'm all for methods to improve EIS. I'd be working on them myself, only I haven't ever had the need. The stuff we make works extremely well, and always works for the things I believe it WILL work for. So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. ~Jason - Original Message - From: David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 08:05 Subject: RE: CS[List Owner] Whew! Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to kill the spores he supected were poisening him. Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process. Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or what) he refined existing protocols
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I never fully understood Monet's theories or process (not that it means much, but my long-ago college minor was chemistry). Perhaps I didn't dig hard enough since my SG6-produced EIS seems to do what I need it to, or perhaps my knowledge of chemistry is too dated/limited; hopefully a list member will give Monet's ideas a go, get a superior product, and post a simple how-to here that everyone can use. Terry Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: You wrote: So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method of desulfurizing *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for EIS making. Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee, Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS production more understandable and removing it from the realm of having to make it by the phase of the moon or thinking that there is no way to get understandable or consistent results. Dan On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi David: Indeed. Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book. The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I do not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage wherever they go. Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation. Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual. It is quite normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very, very different. Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order to hear. For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products. I know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be as honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the decent thing to do. If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his advice could possibly kill them. You don't treat throat infections with sublingual anything, least of all strep. I also wouldn't appreciate very much if he told his single mother with three kids that her pneumonia or bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get something similiar to mesothelioma. And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is no oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is formed through oxidation). When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if they want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's fine; they need to go see a doctor. Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant supply of fresh ions. Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for about a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least every 15 minutes until the throat starts to feel better, and then about every hour or two until the problem is gone. If results are not achieved within 48 hours (which has never happened in my experience), then one would still need to see an qualified MD. Some strep infections are really simple, and some are very aggressive. One cannot know offhand how aggressive the infection is, or why. I'm all for methods to improve EIS. I'd be working on them myself, only I haven't ever had the need. The stuff we make works extremely well, and always works for the things I believe it WILL work for. So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. ~Jason - Original Message - From: David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 08:05 Subject: RE: CS[List Owner] Whew! Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt
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I hope so too, as current silver products do not touch my bugs...nor do most any other therapies. FYI, I took a tsp a of evaporated EIS, down to 300PPM brown color, no effect, except a mild upset stomach =). ~David
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Hi Dan: I've always taught people to pay extra careful attention to keeping electrodes in good shape. I don't think using any type of chemical solution is anywhere near as effective as a bit of old fashioned elbow grease and non-reactive abbrasive. And the problem with using any dipping or chemical solution to cleanse the silver rods is that no matter how hard you try, you are still going to get uneven wear on the silver ( even if you at first can't see it with the naked eye). That means, that nothing short of polishing will return silver electsrodes to their most ideal state for brewing. And it does make a very big difference in quality. That's my one problem with the SG-7; it's difficult to properly clean the electrodes; a bit of an art form, but with practice, it gets easier. I know there are alot of people who think that cleaning electrodes is not necessary, but I can easily demonstrate the difference between batches done with pristine electrodes, and ones that aren't. Oh, and don't forget to add Ivan to the list; not sure what ever became of his laboratory grade CS generator project, but I also learned alot from his creative exploits. ~Jason - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:42 Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Whew! You wrote: So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method of desulfurizing *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for EIS making. Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee, Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS production more understandable and removing it from the realm of having to make it by the phase of the moon or thinking that there is no way to get understandable or consistent results. Dan On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi David: Indeed. Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book. The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I do not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage wherever they go. Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation. Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual. It is quite normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very, very different. Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order to hear. For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products. I know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be as honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the decent thing to do. If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his advice could possibly kill them. You don't treat throat infections with sublingual anything, least of all strep. I also wouldn't appreciate very much if he told his single mother with three kids that her pneumonia or bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get something similiar to mesothelioma. And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is no oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is formed through oxidation). When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if they want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's fine; they need to go see a doctor. Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant supply of fresh ions. Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for about a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least every 15 minutes until the throat starts to feel better, and then about every hour or two until the problem is gone. If results are not achieved within 48 hours (which has never happened in my experience), then one would still need to see an qualified MD. Some strep infections are really simple, and some are very aggressive. One cannot know offhand how aggressive the infection is, or why. I'm all for methods to improve EIS. I'd be working on them myself, only I haven't ever had the need. The stuff we make works extremely well, and always works for the things I believe it WILL work for. So
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Jason: What is your recommended process/materials for cleaning electrodes (I have an SG6)? Thanks, Terry Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi Dan: I've always taught people to pay extra careful attention to keeping electrodes in good shape. I don't think using any type of chemical solution is anywhere near as effective as a bit of old fashioned elbow grease and non-reactive abbrasive. And the problem with using any dipping or chemical solution to cleanse the silver rods is that no matter how hard you try, you are still going to get uneven wear on the silver ( even if you at first can't see it with the naked eye). That means, that nothing short of polishing will return silver electsrodes to their most ideal state for brewing. And it does make a very big difference in quality. That's my one problem with the SG-7; it's difficult to properly clean the electrodes; a bit of an art form, but with practice, it gets easier. I know there are alot of people who think that cleaning electrodes is not necessary, but I can easily demonstrate the difference between batches done with pristine electrodes, and ones that aren't. Oh, and don't forget to add Ivan to the list; not sure what ever became of his laboratory grade CS generator project, but I also learned alot from his creative exploits. ~Jason - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:42 Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Whew! You wrote: So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method of desulfurizing *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for EIS making. Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee, Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS production more understandable and removing it from the realm of having to make it by the phase of the moon or thinking that there is no way to get understandable or consistent results. Dan On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi David: Indeed. Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book. The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I do not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage wherever they go. Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation. Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual. It is quite normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very, very different. Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order to hear. For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products. I know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be as honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the decent thing to do. If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his advice could possibly kill them. You don't treat throat infections with sublingual anything, least of all strep. I also wouldn't appreciate very much if he told his single mother with three kids that her pneumonia or bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get something similiar to mesothelioma. And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is no oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is formed through oxidation). When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if they want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's fine; they need to go see a doctor. Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant supply of fresh ions. Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for about a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least every 15 minutes until the throat starts to feel better, and then about every hour or two until the problem is gone. If results are not achieved within 48 hours (which has never happened in my experience), then one would still need to see an qualified MD. Some strep infections are really simple
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If 300ppm EIS was of no benefit, it doesn't seem that anything Monet's device produces would be any more helpful. Terry David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: I hope so too, as current silver products do not touch my bugs...nor do most any other therapies. FYI, I took a tsp a of evaporated EIS, down to 300PPM brown color, no effect, except a mild upset stomach =). ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Jason, I understood that the cleaning process was an electrolytic process in distilled water which involved only adding a temporary aluminum strip as the (+) electrode and connecting battery (-) to the two silver electrodes and running current through them for a short time. So, although I haven't tried it, it doesn't seem like it will cause any sort of degrading of the electrodes. In fact, it seems as if it might be less degrading than mechanically cleaning them. Dan On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi Dan: I've always taught people to pay extra careful attention to keeping electrodes in good shape. I don't think using any type of chemical solution is anywhere near as effective as a bit of old fashioned elbow grease and non-reactive abbrasive. And the problem with using any dipping or chemical solution to cleanse the silver rods is that no matter how hard you try, you are still going to get uneven wear on the silver ( even if you at first can't see it with the naked eye). That means, that nothing short of polishing will return silver electsrodes to their most ideal state for brewing. And it does make a very big difference in quality. That's my one problem with the SG-7; it's difficult to properly clean the electrodes; a bit of an art form, but with practice, it gets easier. I know there are alot of people who think that cleaning electrodes is not necessary, but I can easily demonstrate the difference between batches done with pristine electrodes, and ones that aren't. Oh, and don't forget to add Ivan to the list; not sure what ever became of his laboratory grade CS generator project, but I also learned alot from his creative exploits. ~Jason - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:42 Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Whew! You wrote: So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new. I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method of desulfurizing *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for EIS making. Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee, Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS production more understandable and removing it from the realm of having to make it by the phase of the moon or thinking that there is no way to get understandable or consistent results. Dan On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi David: Indeed. Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book. The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I do not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage wherever they go. Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation. Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual. It is quite normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very, very different. Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order to hear. For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products. I know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be as honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the decent thing to do. If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his advice could possibly kill them. You don't treat throat infections with sublingual anything, least of all strep. I also wouldn't appreciate very much if he told his single mother with three kids that her pneumonia or bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get something similiar to mesothelioma. And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is no oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is formed through oxidation). When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if they want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's fine; they need to go see a doctor. Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant supply of fresh ions. Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for about a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least
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Even though I am not even slightly interested in following MM's group/site and can appreciated that the disruptiveness is now over, I appreciate David's kind treatment of him here. And I 'get it'. Thank you for speaking from your heart, David. ( and a thanks to Mike D for being such a gentleman about it) Sharon Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to kill the spores he supected were poisening him. Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process. Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling. I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely person. David Bearrow -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes, I am following Mike's forum. I don't see any difference as to whether or not tarnish has sulfur. The point is this: When you do his process of running electrolysis between an aluminum strip and both of the silver electrodes, he says he sees the silver get visibly cleaner, and a thin film of something appears on the surface of the distilled water. I think this is a few hour process. Then when he takes off the power, the conductance of the water is still the same as the original distilled water, meaning no ions have been added. Though it would be nice to know what is happening in detail, that is still pretty strong observational evidence that some contaminants are being removed, I think. ~David
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You are describing Asperger's - not sociopathy. But I do appreciate your feedback. It does provide a lens through which to interpret his behavior/actions differently. Jaxi On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:05 AM, David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net wrote: Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to kill the spores he supected were poisening him. Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process. Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling. I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely person. David Bearrow -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Whew! Hi folks, Whew! Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his venture. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi folks, Whew! Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his venture. That got a bit out of hand near the end, while my attention was elsewhere. Sorry. Thanks for handling it as well as you all did. sigh I only hope that he will now accomplish the stated goals of his efforts and publish a free design that folks can test and verify. If it works significantly better than other equally simple designs, great. If there's something better waiting to be found, that is a wonderful thing. Meanwhile, we have the good results and extensive experience of the last, what, 14 years or so? Improvements to that record will indeed need to be something very good. I would appreciate if those interested in following his development work report back here from time to time to keep us informed. Here's hoping letting ourselves be picked over for ideas did some good. grin Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Way to go Mike, I tough the site was going to explode ? Well, I heard it all before with others who are not here anymore. Thanks Mike for all you do ! Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:03 PM Subject: CS[List Owner] Whew! Hi folks, Whew! Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his venture. That got a bit out of hand near the end, while my attention was elsewhere. Sorry. Thanks for handling it as well as you all did. sigh I only hope that he will now accomplish the stated goals of his efforts and publish a free design that folks can test and verify. If it works significantly better than other equally simple designs, great. If there's something better waiting to be found, that is a wonderful thing. Meanwhile, we have the good results and extensive experience of the last, what, 14 years or so? Improvements to that record will indeed need to be something very good. I would appreciate if those interested in following his development work report back here from time to time to keep us informed. Here's hoping letting ourselves be picked over for ideas did some good. grin Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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HA! I won the pool. Had him here for less than a month... Chuck If you ain't makin' waves, you ain't kickin' hard enough. On 9/22/2011 11:03:40 PM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote: Hi folks, Whew! Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his venture. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Tel, Way to go Mike, I tough the site was going to explode ? No, no, no... lol I didn't do a thing. He left under his own power. grin Well, I heard it all before with others who are not here anymore. I'll cut him slack since he's adamantly not doing it for commercial motives. As long as things remain *reasonably* tame, I'd be willing to tolerate his foibles in hopes the project comes to fruition. Time will tell. Thanks Mike for all you do ! Such as it is and what there is of it. smile You're welcome. Peace, M. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
