Re: CS & Immunity - IT'S ALL RELATIVE
likow...@earthlink.net wrote: > >> cells do on their level. And did you know that when sperm enters a woman > much of it is *immediately* treated as an intruder and destroyed? Yet we > still have over-population. > Dameon > _ And did you know that you can take the worlds entire population and fit them into the state of Texas? Then you can accomodate them in 1500 sf. homes that would house four people, and still fit in the state of Texas. To prove it, all you need is a worlds almanac, pencil and paper. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & Immunity - IT'S ALL RELATIVE
>relative. Who can really say what's enough - vitamins, minerals, CS or >otherwise? I was once taking 100,000 IU's of vitamin-A a day for MONTHS >as part of a medical experiment. At that level I should have experienced >some kind of side affects; they kept asking me if I was, but I wasn't... >nothing! Then there's an IV drug for fighting infections in Cystic >Fibrosis called Colymycin; *most* patients have terrible side affects >from even a small amount: Heavy urination, rubber legs and migrain >headaches. When I was on it I felt absolutely nothing - not even >tingling toes! I treat silver water as a "mineral suppliment" that just >*happens* to work better than a drug for my situation. Lucky me... so >far. Speaking of drugs, just what *is* a drug, in it's simplest >definition? They're *subtsances* taken for a specific reason with the >intent of getting well. This can also define what a vitamin, mineral or Doctors and some researchers make the mistake in thinking all people are the same. I've experienced some of the same things that you've experienced. Like my white count never goes up, even with a 104 feavor. Doctors look at the white count as a sign of infection. I have something wrong with my immune system that causes me to not increase the white count. When I first thought about it I thought that I had screwed up my immune system because of all the antibotics. Then I thought back and my immune system was that way before I even started taking antibotics. One dose of clafrin, and about 2 minutes later my sinuses open and start to drain. The doctors told me that's not possable antibotics don't work that fast. I proved it to one by blowing my nose on a mirror and having him check the inside. The right side steamed up the mirror and the left didn't. Then after the injection I did the same and he looked again and said hummm that's strange. Both sides are open now and your left sinus is draining.. :] I went to the ER a little while back with a headake out of this world. I finally convinced the doctor to put me on an IV and the only thing that he had was leviquin. About 10 minutes into the IV the headake started going away and my leg started burning. That's where the infection is consentrated. After 30 minutes the headake was gone and as I was leaving he said boy that leviquin is some miracal drug. Weired but that's the way it works. People are different and what works for one might not work for another. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & Immunity
A few folks have very astutely pointed out that there are important exceptions to my let-your-immune-system-try-to-do-its-job-before-intervening theory. Thanks. There are some really nasty bugs out there, and it does not make sense to wait until they have you down before defending yourself. I should also admit that I do not always follow the theory myself. I am already a complete vitamin C junkie, and I start in on the echinacea at the first sign of a cold. But I hesitate to use the big guns (CS) on every little sore throat, fearing that I will become a CS junkie as well. Whitney -Original Message- From: W. D. Cavanaugh To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, July 31, 1998 11:25 PM Subject: Re: CS & Immunity -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & Immunity - IT'S ALL RELATIVE
Good to see Whitney admit obedience to the unknown variables by the use of vit-C and herbs, though I would hardly classify CS as a "big gun" compared to other things; "big guns" usually imply serious risk of damage for the sake of killing the opponent. Has anyone ever been seriously damaged from CS? Ozone will damage if protocols are not carefully followed and I would bet sensitivity levels are much higher amongst the majority than they are to CS. But ozone is a marvelous weapon/healer even though there's a risk; *ozone* is a "big gun". With all that's UNknown about the actions of CS in the body - especially since there are implications that we used to get so much more through the foods we'd eat - I believe the way it's used *must* be totally up to the individual. It's a good opportunity for the person to go deeper and *feel* what the "correct" amount is. Until there is definite empirical evidence that CS *does* interfere with the workings of our immune systems, it's just fear to state that it would or could. Pregnant women are advised to get enough folic acid (part of the B-vitamin complex) to prevent their babies from being born with a disconnected spine; the amount needed to prevent this horrible deformity is not even visible to the naked eye. This, to me, reveals the implications of how important it is to get the proper elements for a healthy life - amount being relative. Who can really say what's enough - vitamins, minerals, CS or otherwise? I was once taking 100,000 IU's of vitamin-A a day for MONTHS as part of a medical experiment. At that level I should have experienced some kind of side affects; they kept asking me if I was, but I wasn't... nothing! Then there's an IV drug for fighting infections in Cystic Fibrosis called Colymycin; *most* patients have terrible side affects from even a small amount: Heavy urination, rubber legs and migrain headaches. When I was on it I felt absolutely nothing - not even tingling toes! I treat silver water as a "mineral suppliment" that just *happens* to work better than a drug for my situation. Lucky me... so far. Speaking of drugs, just what *is* a drug, in it's simplest definition? They're *subtsances* taken for a specific reason with the intent of getting well. This can also define what a vitamin, mineral or CS is. When I first began studying natural healing/vitamins I read about all kinds of illnesses due to deficiencies (imbalances) that were "cured" with vitamins/minerals; that kinda sounds similar to a "drug". The point is: All these things seem to overlap at some point. How many on this list drink coffee? Alcohol? Smoke? They're saying that a little wine every day is "good", even though the body recognizes ALL alcohol as a poison. Coffee's a good example of paradox: When consumed *orally* it depletes the body of valuable necessities and causes all kinds of imbalances with implications of even contributing to some cancers; when taken *rectally*, it initiates a "purging" affect that is actually used in some cancer treatments! So, all this amounts to the individual's call to use CS and at what amount. But, as one book says, "Fate and unforeseen occurrence befall all men (and women)". *IF* it turns out that there's a risk to using CS in the long run, that's the price you pay for living. Think of all the other risks taken daily that are not even considered - driving being the most obvious. One of the biggest killers in America is falling in the bathtub and you risk more breathing downtown city air on a smoggy day, because of all the unknown interactions of about 13 million chemicals poured into the atmosphere every year, than you ever could with CS. And no matter how "healthy" you eat, the body automatically regards food as an "invader"; this is part of "digestion": The attack, breakdown and use of the invader called "food" with it's inevitable toxins... kind of like what the white blood cells do on their level. And did you know that when sperm enters a woman much of it is *immediately* treated as an intruder and destroyed? Yet we still have over-population. Even the growing fetus can cause chemical changes in the woman that could end up killing her! Seems to me the Great Infinite loves the game of Paradox. I wouldn't be too afraid of CS. One thing is apparent just about everywhere you look in Nature: The Universe doesn't like sissy's. Dameon _ A few folks have very astutely pointed out that there are important exceptions to my let-your-immune-system-try-to-do-its-job-before-intervening theory. Thanks. There are some really nasty bugs out there, and it does not make sense to wait until they have you down before defending yourself. I should also admit that I do not always follow the theory myself. I am already a complete vitamin C junkie, and I start in on the echinacea at the first sign of a cold. But I hesitate to use the big guns (CS) on every little sore throat, fearing that I will become a CS junkie as well. Whitney -
Re: CS & Immunity
Dear Whitney, The biggest part of your immune system is between your ears. That "fight or flight" reaction is there for a reason, and the creepy crawlies you get when you have bugs (internal or external) causes most folks (wait!! wait!! I forgot. This is not my week to speak for "most folks," so beg pardon) causes me to look for bug killer. I don't trust my phagocytes and other unmentionables to work without my mind also being involved. I really like the way you think, Whitney. But I'm gonna treat you like any good sister and disagree occasionally. This is one of those occasions. wil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS & Immunity
Not true in Lyme Disease. Having Lyme disease and making antibodies does not offer any immunity ! You can get reinfected over and over and indeed people have. And this is why, if I thought I had Lyme (which I already do, but I mean in hindsight, knowing what I know now) I wouldn't wait. I'd take the CS as soon as possible and kill those buggers before they set up permanent housekeeping in my body! Just MHO. chc ___ Hello Deb and everyone: This story seems to me to illustrate the virtue of giving your immune system a chance to fight off any bug it "catches" thoroughly *before* coming to the rescue with CS, with electromedicine, with antibiotics, or with *any* external anti-microbial. If your immune system is able to fight off the invaders, it will do so by creating antibodies against the invader--enough antibodies, and strong-enough ones, to defeat the enemy. After the invaders are gone, you retain the antibodies for an extended period of time--in some cases for life. They, in turn will protect you in the future. Of course there will be times when we need CS or something like it. But for the most part, it is best to let the immune system take care of the infection on its own, as long as it seems to be doing so effectively. Whitney > I was reading the "silver" topic on a pet related list today and someone that >uses it said that she used it on her young daughter for chicken pox and the pox >were gone in 48 hours BUT, she said this left the child with no immunity to the >pox and she acquired them again three months later. Anyone have any opinions on >this one?? Deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
