Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
No two jugs of water are the same. [except by accident] Distillers have a maintenance cycle. The best way to clean up a jar is rinse it in hot distilled water to leach out whatever may be imbedded in the glass..or buy a brand new jar. Cleaning the electrodes is likely to grind contaminants into the etchthe electrolysis process does a very good job as the surface of the electrode dissolves..taking everything on it along with it. Change electrode position periodically if you are running DC output. [Polarity switching does that every few minutes] Ode At 06:48 PM 12/17/2013 -0500, you wrote: I am using Walmart distilled water. Was making clear CS but last two batches have been slight yellow. So, this could be water contamination or the jar has become contaminated? What is the best way to clean a jar to make sure that it is not contaminated? If it is the water, do you think Walmart has changed the quality of its distilled water? Could it be the silver rods have contamination on them? Yellow often means the water has something in it that kicks off oxide reactions. When using Food Lion house brand water from SC, I get nothing but yellow...but Food Loin house brand from NC, no problem. Water and environment is quite variable and who knows what may be a catalyst for what? Ode --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
The gen shuts down when conductivity reaches ~20 uS..then the conductivity starts dropping and averages ~10 uS when it stops dropping. At THAT point, uS is about the same **number** as PPM as tested by a device that CAN measure PPM.which a PPM meter cannot. Conductivity and PPM aren't the same thing...but the numbers can be the same...or nearly so. So, at a shut down at 20 uS and a drop back to 10 uS..that means it can be run back up to 20 uS and each time that's done, the drop back is about 40-50% of the difference. At some point the gen just won't run because the stabilized product is at the shut down point where 20 uS = ~20 PPM total silver, both dissolved ionic and unreadable suspended [give or take because of environmental variables] IOW if the TE is heavy, fudge the PPM number up..light to no TE, fudge the PPM number down. It's like counting grapefruit to see how many oranges you have in a given sized basketafter the grapefruit have dried up enough to be about the same size. I can't afford what it takes to actually count oranges and it doesn't need to be exact in the 'real world' of eat fruit till you're full. Ode At 01:05 PM 12/16/2013 -0500, you wrote: I thought the Silver Puppy shut down automatically when the ppm hits about 10 ppm ? What would cause the Silver Puppy to produce 26-30 ppm when set to Auto SWAP? On 12/15/2013 2:32 PM, JD wrote: I made a batch of CS with my Silver Puppy and it had a slight yellow tint to it (usually is clear), Yellow normally means that your ppm is too high. so I added a little Hydrogen Peroxide to it and it turned cloudy. What does this mean? It means that the ppm is over 26 ppm, so it has exceeded the solubility limit for the silver oxide. I thought adding a little H2O2 is suppose to turn yellow to clear. It does, if the ppm is below 26 to 30 ppm. Often if you wait 48 hours it will still clear, as some of the ionic converts to colloidal, making room for the precipitated silver oxide to redissolve. Marshall --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
It monitors conductivity like a PPM meter. A PPM meter cannot detect particles. If some environmental element is prematurely kicking off reactions to produce non-conductive particles, all of that contaminant has to be used up before conductivity will go up enough to shut the machine down. There are many things that can fool a PPM meter, which doesn't measure PPM. The contaminant can be non-conductive or gradually leach into the water from the glass or the air and thus not show up as initial conductivity. Cold water can contain high amounts of dissolved gasses and also has a lower saturation point than warm water which will force ions into becoming particles at a lower concentration. Once formed, particles don't tend to re-dissolve...depends. Ode At 01:04 PM 12/16/2013 -0500, you wrote: I had the Silver Puppy set to Automatic SWAP. I thought the Silver Puppy was automated and would shut off at the correct time? Hi JD: It means that you have way too many larger silver particles in the CS, either due to electrode eroding or perhaps a dirty/plated production vessel, or even poor quality distilled water. I always quality check my batches with a bit of H2O2, even if the batch is completely clear (mine are); if it clouds, I either continue adding h2o2 until it clears (and then use it for external/cleaning purposes), or I simply discard it. ~Jason --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
There are reactions with electro-chemical byproducts that take a few days to complete after power is removed. You will note that conductivity drops by as much as 40% over a couple of days. That's why re-re-running a batch can make a meter reading go as high as 20 uS where the gen shuts down ...and stays there...that % of the total gets smaller each time till the gen just won't run. PPM meters [ measuring conductivity ] are only an approximation, easily fooled...not perfect.but they don't cost several thousand dollars and aren't as big as a desk. Dissolved stuff never settles but undergoes 'Stabilization' and the product of stablization is whatever particulate that won't stay dissolved and goes into suspension. Only suspended solid stuff can settle and if it does, it's larger than the size that defines colloidal The closer it is to that definition, the longer it takes to settle. That which meets the definition of colloidal never settles, but stays suspended. BTW The generator doesn't make particles AT ALL... [none do] .it makes ONLY silver ions and hydroxl anions. [ Ag+ and OH- ] and some hydrogen and oxygen gas. Particles come later AFTER the gen does what it does...muchly while it's doing its thing, but still after. Think about a car. Exhaust is a byproduct of combustion that's made just after the act of combustion, as a 'result of'and it's not the engine that's doing the combusting...it's the fuel/air mix. When the byproducts meet the environment, all sorts of possibilities arise...like contrails if it's a cool damp day...or smog if ozone levels are high. Ode At 01:04 PM 12/16/2013 -0500, you wrote: Just curious, isn't colloidal silver a colloid once it is made? Why does it take 2 days settling? BTW, it was probably 4-5 hours after the Silver Puppy shut down when I added the H2O2. Often it will turn cloudy if you add it immediately after brewing. Most people wait about 2 days after brewing before adding H2O2. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
Yellow often means the water has something in it that kicks off oxide reactions. When using Food Lion house brand water from SC, I get nothing but yellow...but Food Loin house brand from NC, no problem. Water and environment is quite variable and who knows what may be a catalyst for what? Ode At 10:31 AM 12/16/2013 -0500, you wrote: On 12/15/2013 2:32 PM, JD wrote: I made a batch of CS with my Silver Puppy and it had a slight yellow tint to it (usually is clear), Yellow normally means that your ppm is too high. so I added a little Hydrogen Peroxide to it and it turned cloudy. What does this mean? It means that the ppm is over 26 ppm, so it has exceeded the solubility limit for the silver oxide. I thought adding a little H2O2 is suppose to turn yellow to clear. It does, if the ppm is below 26 to 30 ppm. Often if you wait 48 hours it will still clear, as some of the ionic converts to colloidal, making room for the precipitated silver oxide to redissolve. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3658/6422 - Release Date: 12/15/13 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
RE: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
Ions, by definition 'one atom missing or with an excess of electrons'
[in the case of silver, missing one electron ] and have a very strong like
charge on the electron shell / atomic level...they CANNOT cluster any more
than you can force like poles of a magnet together.
In order for a silver particle to form, the ion must pick up an electron,
but there are no electrons in a liquid to pick up.
The only places a silver ion can find an electron to become a **metallic
silver** particle is at the air/water interface of the electrodes and the
surface of the container acting as a capacitor whereas electromagnetic
radiation is depositing electrons onto the surface of the glass.
Most particles that form are silver hydroxide [AgOH], made when the silver
ion Ag[+] finds it's counterpart made in a one to one ratio with the
ion...the Hydroxyl anion OH[-] [that white mist ]
Another that can form is a silver oxide particle where silver ions react
with the byproduct of electrolysis, oxygen, forming AgO. [that golden
mist..if the current is so high as to force it to form in the water vs on
the electrode]
Particles have no charge, are only held apart by a weak van der waals force
which can easily be overcome and particles be forced together by kinetic
collisions etcand agglomerate into clusters.
Clusters are often crystalline, forming around a nucleus such as a silver
oxide particle.
H2O2 will destroy an AgO molecule leaving such a crystal without a nucleus
and it's fractal arms will float away as smaller particles.
http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.html
But if H2O2 is used before all the byproducts have done whatever they are
going to do with the silver ions, H2O2 will oxidize some ions forming
[probably Ag02 ..one of 5 possible configurations of silver oxides,
excluding possibilities of silver peroxides ]
BTW.A yellow color can be BOTH an oxide pigment AND a blue light
absorption due to particle sizeat the same time.
...and if H2O2 is in the brew water while brewing, it can set up things to
donate electrons to the ions, if done to the extreme, making shiny silver
metal flakes.
Likely, if the balance is just right...a high proportion of metallic silver
colloids can be made that way.
Ode
At 07:46 AM 12/17/2013 +1100, you wrote:
I believe the 'colloids' as referred to are ions which have clustered
together in solution, with each ion surrounded by or encased in water
after the ion clusters - particles - are formed. Example
A bunch of
balloons all touching each other, each balloon is water and inside that
balloon is a pea, in this case the pea would be a silver ion.
Ions are in rapid and constant movement in solution {Brownian Motion}
hence it takes time for the solution to stabilise while ions are colliding
with each other forming ion clusters - bunches of balloons.
N.
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:04:58 -0500
From: jd_m...@gmx.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
Just curious, isn't colloidal silver a colloid once it is made? Why does
it take 2 days settling? BTW, it was probably 4-5 hours after the Silver
Puppy shut down when I added the H2O2.
Often it will turn cloudy if you add it immediately after brewing. Most
people wait about 2 days after brewing before adding H2O2.
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CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
I am using Walmart distilled water. Was making clear CS but last two batches have been slight yellow. So, this could be water contamination or the jar has become contaminated? What is the best way to clean a jar to make sure that it is not contaminated? If it is the water, do you think Walmart has changed the quality of its distilled water? Could it be the silver rods have contamination on them? Yellow often means the water has something in it that kicks off oxide reactions. When using Food Lion house brand water from SC, I get nothing but yellow...but Food Loin house brand from NC, no problem. Water and environment is quite variable and who knows what may be a catalyst for what? Ode
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
If it went cloudy instantly You did it too soon. Wait a few days. Ode At 02:32 PM 12/15/2013 -0500, you wrote: I made a batch of CS with my Silver Puppy and it had a slight yellow tint to it (usually is clear), so I added a little Hydrogen Peroxide to it and it turned cloudy.What does this mean? I thought adding a little H2O2 is suppose to turn yellow to clear. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
On 12/15/2013 2:32 PM, JD wrote: I made a batch of CS with my Silver Puppy and it had a slight yellow tint to it (usually is clear), Yellow normally means that your ppm is too high. so I added a little Hydrogen Peroxide to it and it turned cloudy. What does this mean? It means that the ppm is over 26 ppm, so it has exceeded the solubility limit for the silver oxide. I thought adding a little H2O2 is suppose to turn yellow to clear. It does, if the ppm is below 26 to 30 ppm. Often if you wait 48 hours it will still clear, as some of the ionic converts to colloidal, making room for the precipitated silver oxide to redissolve. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3658/6422 - Release Date: 12/15/13
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
Yes, that is correct. I was assuming that the wait had been done as I do it automatically, likely an incorrect assumption. Marshall On 12/15/2013 7:38 PM, Dan Nave wrote: Often it will turn cloudy if you add it immediately after brewing. Most people wait about 2 days after brewing before adding H2O2. On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:32 PM, JD jd_m...@gmx.com mailto:jd_m...@gmx.com wrote: I made a batch of CS with my Silver Puppy and it had a slight yellow tint to it (usually is clear), so I added a little Hydrogen Peroxide to it and it turned cloudy.What does this mean? I thought adding a little H2O2 is suppose to turn yellow to clear. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3658/6423 - Release Date: 12/15/13
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
I had the Silver Puppy set to Automatic SWAP. I thought the Silver Puppy was automated and would shut off at the correct time? Hi JD: It means that you have way too many larger silver particles in the CS, either due to electrode eroding or perhaps a dirty/plated production vessel, or even poor quality distilled water. I always quality check my batches with a bit of H2O2, even if the batch is completely clear (mine are); if it clouds, I either continue adding h2o2 until it clears (and then use it for external/cleaning purposes), or I simply discard it. ~Jason
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
Just curious, isn't colloidal silver a colloid once it is made? Why does it take 2 days settling? BTW, it was probably 4-5 hours after the Silver Puppy shut down when I added the H2O2. Often it will turn cloudy if you add it immediately after brewing. Most people wait about 2 days after brewing before adding H2O2.
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
I thought the Silver Puppy shut down automatically when the ppm hits about 10 ppm ? What would cause the Silver Puppy to produce 26-30 ppm when set to Auto SWAP? On 12/15/2013 2:32 PM, JD wrote: I made a batch of CS with my Silver Puppy and it had a slight yellow tint to it (usually is clear), Yellow normally means that your ppm is too high. so I added a little Hydrogen Peroxide to it and it turned cloudy. What does this mean? It means that the ppm is over 26 ppm, so it has exceeded the solubility limit for the silver oxide. I thought adding a little H2O2 is suppose to turn yellow to clear. It does, if the ppm is below 26 to 30 ppm. Often if you wait 48 hours it will still clear, as some of the ionic converts to colloidal, making room for the precipitated silver oxide to redissolve. Marshall
RE: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
I believe the 'colloids' as referred to are ions which have clustered together
in solution, with each ion surrounded by or encased in water after the ion
clusters - particles - are formed. Example…A bunch of balloons all touching
each other, each balloon is water and inside that balloon is a pea, in this
case the pea would be a silver ion.
Ions are in rapid and constant movement in solution {Brownian Motion} hence it
takes time for the solution to stabilise while ions are colliding with each
other forming ion clusters - bunches of balloons.
N.
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:04:58 -0500
From: jd_m...@gmx.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
Just curious, isn't colloidal silver a colloid once it is made? Why
does it take 2 days settling? BTW, it was probably 4-5 hours after
the Silver Puppy shut down when I added the H2O2.
Often it will turn cloudy if you add it immediately after brewing. Most
people wait about 2 days after brewing before adding H2O2.
CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
I made a batch of CS with my Silver Puppy and it had a slight yellow tint to it (usually is clear), so I added a little Hydrogen Peroxide to it and it turned cloudy.What does this mean? I thought adding a little H2O2 is suppose to turn yellow to clear. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
Hi JD: It means that you have way too many larger silver particles in the CS, either due to electrode eroding or perhaps a dirty/plated production vessel, or even poor quality distilled water. I always quality check my batches with a bit of H2O2, even if the batch is completely clear (mine are); if it clouds, I either continue adding h2o2 until it clears (and then use it for external/cleaning purposes), or I simply discard it. ~Jason On 12/15/2013 11:32 AM, JD wrote: I made a batch of CS with my Silver Puppy and it had a slight yellow tint to it (usually is clear), so I added a little Hydrogen Peroxide to it and it turned cloudy.What does this mean? I thought adding a little H2O2 is suppose to turn yellow to clear. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Hydrogen Peroxide = Cloudy?
Often it will turn cloudy if you add it immediately after brewing. Most people wait about 2 days after brewing before adding H2O2. On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:32 PM, JD jd_m...@gmx.com wrote: I made a batch of CS with my Silver Puppy and it had a slight yellow tint to it (usually is clear), so I added a little Hydrogen Peroxide to it and it turned cloudy.What does this mean? I thought adding a little H2O2 is suppose to turn yellow to clear. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/ maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
