Re: CSDirect source for PPM meters...
Well Said :) I think I'll call up Hanna... It's a local call for me... I'l post what I find out... Regards, Alexander - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: Re: CSDirect source for PPM meters... ..until you ask them a meaningful question they can't answer because any answer contradicts their claims. Then you get silence. Here's one where 1 microsiemen is 2 microsiemens or 2 is one. I've bought 2 PWT meters over the course of 4 years and they both read the same in the calibration solution as does the Dist1 PPM meter I previously bought from Hanna years before either one of the PWTs, considering its limit of resolution. I ask the techies at Hanna via email Are the meters calibrated at the factory? [no answer] If they are, it's very consistant. Congratulations on a good job. [Thank you!] If they're not and you don't clearly say so negligence. [no answer] Is the calibration solution you buy an accurate way to calibrate them? [yes] OK, why is there an almost 50% discrepency? Which setting is the correct setting? They can't both be correct. [ Idiot! You shouldn't ask that question] Incidently, there's a temperature chart on the calibration solution bottle...but the meters are supposed to be temperature compensated. No big deal in the face of the fact that none of the numbers on the chart even come close to the factory setting. 60% one way and 40% the other way still begs the same major initial question that must be answered before the next minor question is asked. So, I still use the factory setting because most people don't buy the $11 [plus shipping] calibration solution trusting the factory to send an accurate instrument or at least clearly state that it is not accurate and needs calibration, the factory setting is apparently very consistant over a number of years and Hanna just won't tell me which is right...possibly because any 'real' answer they CAN give is a catch 22 they can't look good with. If MY meter reads 50% higher than yours, we have nothing AT ALL to talk about. We can't even compare meaningless numbers. ie: If the calibraton sol is accurate..the meters aren't in spite of sales promotion/ common sense manufacturing standards of precision instruments. and if the meters are shipped calibrated, the $11+ solution isn't worth a hoot. ..and if they do get their act together and go ahead and decide which is which, they could very easily make an adjustment to one or the other but it would reveal a million instances of incompetence in the past which they would be morally if not legally obligated to straighten out by admitting the error and sending a few hundred drums of free solution to every past customer who would then have to adjust each and every reading in their records...if the solution is accurate and the meter was miscalibrated at the factoryor...send out new solution to everyone who had bought solution in the past who would then have to change all their records. ..and notify how many others? Can you say infinitely cascading effects ? [Idiot! You shouldn't ask that question!] Worst of all, the PWT is STILL the best meter available. It's extremely repeatable and the resolution is good...but what do the numbers mean? In the case of the homemade CSers. The numbers don't matter all that much. Nobody is going to come to harm because of them one way or another. There are absolutely NO dosing standards for CS out there that make any sense at all. The only conceivable answer to how much? is As much as you feel you should...[It's nearly impossible to take too much.] ...especially when 99% of the people have no clue as to how strong what they have is regardless of how the generator maker told them to time their batches. [Timing an uncontrolled generator simply doesn't work..at all. It's like predicting the velocity of a rock at impact when dropped from an unknown height that varies by a thousand feet] Meters will , at least, give you repeatable batch references and even a cheap PPM meter is good enough for that, but they won't give you anything to argue about with someone else. We aren't going to sue Hanna for giving us a straight answer and maybe a correction factor if not new calibration solution. We don't even have to know..it would just be nice. Out of curiosity.. Those folks who make their own measurement 'cells' based on mathematical calculations and a multimeter...how do your numbers compare to a factory calibrated PWT? Ode They will be glad to explain the working of these meters too... Regards to All, Alexander J.Federowicz - Original Message - From: mailto:purplepixi...@yahoo.comJean DeMasters To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comSilver List Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: CSRE Distilled Water, reply
Re: CSDirect source for PPM meters...
..until you ask them a meaningful question they can't answer because any answer contradicts their claims. Then you get silence. Here's one where 1 microsiemen is 2 microsiemens or 2 is one. I've bought 2 PWT meters over the course of 4 years and they both read the same in the calibration solution as does the Dist1 PPM meter I previously bought from Hanna years before either one of the PWTs, considering its limit of resolution. I ask the techies at Hanna via email Are the meters calibrated at the factory? [no answer] If they are, it's very consistant. Congratulations on a good job. [Thank you!] If they're not and you don't clearly say so negligence. [no answer] Is the calibration solution you buy an accurate way to calibrate them? [yes] OK, why is there an almost 50% discrepency? Which setting is the correct setting? They can't both be correct. [ Idiot! You shouldn't ask that question] Incidently, there's a temperature chart on the calibration solution bottle...but the meters are supposed to be temperature compensated. No big deal in the face of the fact that none of the numbers on the chart even come close to the factory setting. 60% one way and 40% the other way still begs the same major initial question that must be answered before the next minor question is asked. So, I still use the factory setting because most people don't buy the $11 [plus shipping] calibration solution trusting the factory to send an accurate instrument or at least clearly state that it is not accurate and needs calibration, the factory setting is apparently very consistant over a number of years and Hanna just won't tell me which is right...possibly because any 'real' answer they CAN give is a catch 22 they can't look good with. If MY meter reads 50% higher than yours, we have nothing AT ALL to talk about. We can't even compare meaningless numbers. ie: If the calibraton sol is accurate..the meters aren't in spite of sales promotion/ common sense manufacturing standards of precision instruments. and if the meters are shipped calibrated, the $11+ solution isn't worth a hoot. ..and if they do get their act together and go ahead and decide which is which, they could very easily make an adjustment to one or the other but it would reveal a million instances of incompetence in the past which they would be morally if not legally obligated to straighten out by admitting the error and sending a few hundred drums of free solution to every past customer who would then have to adjust each and every reading in their records...if the solution is accurate and the meter was miscalibrated at the factoryor...send out new solution to everyone who had bought solution in the past who would then have to change all their records. ..and notify how many others? Can you say infinitely cascading effects ? [Idiot! You shouldn't ask that question!] Worst of all, the PWT is STILL the best meter available. It's extremely repeatable and the resolution is good...but what do the numbers mean? In the case of the homemade CSers. The numbers don't matter all that much. Nobody is going to come to harm because of them one way or another. There are absolutely NO dosing standards for CS out there that make any sense at all. The only conceivable answer to how much? is As much as you feel you should...[It's nearly impossible to take too much.] ...especially when 99% of the people have no clue as to how strong what they have is regardless of how the generator maker told them to time their batches. [Timing an uncontrolled generator simply doesn't work..at all. It's like predicting the velocity of a rock at impact when dropped from an unknown height that varies by a thousand feet] Meters will , at least, give you repeatable batch references and even a cheap PPM meter is good enough for that, but they won't give you anything to argue about with someone else. We aren't going to sue Hanna for giving us a straight answer and maybe a correction factor if not new calibration solution. We don't even have to know..it would just be nice. Out of curiosity.. Those folks who make their own measurement 'cells' based on mathematical calculations and a multimeter...how do your numbers compare to a factory calibrated PWT? Ode They will be glad to explain the working of these meters too... Regards to All, Alexander J.Federowicz - Original Message - From: mailto:purplepixi...@yahoo.comJean DeMasters To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comSilver List Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: CSRE Distilled Water, reply to Ole Bob Hi Ole Bob, Thank you for answering. The post I read before warns that CS should not be made without a ppm/tds meter, because DW has to be verified genuine or you will end up making Silver-Chloride. Is this true?, and if so is the internet the only place you can buy a meter? I also read that CS should not be taken with any
CSDirect source for PPM meters...
Hello All :) Hanna Instruments in Rhode Island, is where most of the the meters come from on the net... It's a good reliable scientific instrument Co., thats been around over 20 years... http://www.hannainst.com/ Phone:(877) 694-2662 They will be glad to explain the working of these meters too... Regards to All, Alexander J.Federowicz - Original Message - From: Jean DeMasters To: Silver List Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: CSRE Distilled Water, reply to Ole Bob Hi Ole Bob, Thank you for answering. The post I read before warns that CS should not be made without a ppm/tds meter, because DW has to be verified genuine or you will end up making Silver-Chloride. Is this true?, and if so is the internet the only place you can buy a meter? I also read that CS should not be taken with any food or liquid and that you should wait several hours before you eat or drink anything. Does that include water too? Thank you for your insight, Jean -- Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
