Well Said :) I think I'll call up Hanna... It's a local call for me... I'l post what I find out...
Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ode Coyote" <coyote...@earthlink.net> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: Re: CS>Direct source for PPM meters... > > >..until you ask them a meaningful question they can't answer because any > >answer contradicts their claims. Then you get silence. > > > Here's one where 1 microsiemen is 2 microsiemens or 2 is one. > > I've bought 2 PWT meters over the course of 4 years and they both read the > same in the calibration solution as does the Dist1 PPM meter I previously > bought from Hanna years before either one of the PWTs, considering its > limit of resolution. > I ask the techies at Hanna via email.... > Are the meters calibrated at the factory? [no answer] > If they are, it's very consistant. Congratulations on a good job. [Thank > you!] > If they're not and you don't clearly say so.... negligence. [no answer] > Is the calibration solution you buy an accurate way to calibrate them? [yes] > > OK, why is there an almost 50% discrepency? Which setting is the correct > setting? They can't both be correct. [ Idiot! You shouldn't ask that > question] > > Incidently, there's a temperature chart on the calibration solution > bottle...but the meters are supposed to be temperature compensated. No big > deal in the face of the fact that none of the numbers on the chart even > come close to the factory setting. > 60% one way and 40% the other way still begs the same major initial > question that must be answered before the next minor question is asked. > > So, I still use the factory setting because most people don't buy the $11 > [plus shipping] calibration solution trusting the factory to send an > accurate instrument or at least clearly state that it is not accurate and > needs calibration, the factory setting is apparently very consistant over a > number of years and Hanna just won't tell me which is right...possibly > because any 'real' answer they CAN give is a catch 22 they can't look good > with. > If MY meter reads 50% higher than yours, we have nothing AT ALL to talk > about. We can't even compare meaningless numbers. > > ie: If the calibraton sol is accurate..the meters aren't in spite of sales > promotion/ common sense manufacturing standards of precision > instruments..... and if the meters are shipped calibrated, the $11+ > solution isn't worth a hoot. > > ..and if they do get their act together and go ahead and decide which is > which, they could very easily make an adjustment to one or the other but it > would reveal a million instances of incompetence in the past which they > would be morally if not legally obligated to straighten out by admitting > the error and sending a few hundred drums of free solution to every past > customer who would then have to adjust each and every reading in their > records...if the solution is accurate and the meter was miscalibrated at > the factory....or...send out new solution to everyone who had bought > solution in the past who would then have to change all their records. > > ..and notify how many others? > > Can you say "infinitely cascading effects" ? [Idiot! You shouldn't ask > that question!] > > Worst of all, the PWT is STILL the best meter available. It's extremely > repeatable and the resolution is good...but what do the numbers mean? > > In the case of the homemade CSers. The numbers don't matter all that > much. Nobody is going to come to harm because of them one way or another. > There are absolutely NO dosing standards for CS out there that make any > sense at all. > The only conceivable answer to "how much?" is "As much as you feel you > should"...[It's nearly impossible to take too much.] ...especially when > 99% of the people have no clue as to how strong what they have is > regardless of how the generator maker told them to "time" their batches. > [Timing an uncontrolled generator simply doesn't work..at all. It's like > predicting the velocity of a rock at impact when dropped from an unknown > height that varies by a thousand feet] > Meters will , at least, give you repeatable batch references and even a > cheap PPM meter is good enough for that, but they won't give you anything > to argue about with someone else. > > We aren't going to sue Hanna for giving us a straight answer and maybe a > correction factor.... if not new calibration solution. We don't even "have" > to know..it would just be nice. > > Out of curiosity.. > Those folks who make their own measurement 'cells' based on mathematical > calculations and a multimeter...how do your numbers compare to a factory > calibrated PWT? > > Ode > > > > >They will be glad to explain the working of these meters too... > > > >Regards to All, > >Alexander J.Federowicz > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <mailto:purplepixi...@yahoo.com>Jean DeMasters > >To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>Silver List > >Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:08 PM > >Subject: CS>RE Distilled Water, reply to "Ole Bob" > > > >Hi "Ole Bob", > > > >Thank you for answering. The post I read before warns that CS should not > >be made without a ppm/tds meter, because DW has to be verified genuine or > >you will end up making Silver-Chloride. Is this true?, and if so is the > >internet the only place you can buy a meter? I also read that CS should > >not be taken with any food or liquid and that you should wait several > >hours before you eat or drink anything. Does that include water too? > > > >Thank you for your insight, > >Jean > > > > > > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Free <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag/*http://calendar.yahoo.com>online > >calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > >
