RE: CSImmunization OT

2000-08-11 Thread James Osbourne, Holmes
In some of the early mass inoculations, nations which did not vaccinate had 
rates of the disease an order of magnitude lower than those who did use the 
stuff.

To see the writings of a Dr. unafraid to speak, search Dr. Richard 
Moskowitz.

James Osbourne Holmes

a...@trail.com
FTNWO


-Original Message-
From:   John Rigby [SMTP:ri...@fablor.com]
Sent:   Thursday, August 10, 2000 9:17 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CSImmunization OT

Ha there Roger  folks,

Subject: Re: CSImmunization OT
  For what it is worth:
  As a statistician I can say that there is absolutely no empirical
evidence
  for the efficacy of vaccination at all, rather evidence to its
exceptional
  dangers.

  John

 John: I was intrigued by your last statement. In light of the virtual
 elimination of a number of infectious diseases during the last century, I
 would like to know how you arrived at this conclusion. Roger

WOW! Far too big a topic for an easy answer and certainly too big and far
off-topic for the list.
Just look in the Cyberbog under anti-vaccination and information that was
totally hidden as short a time ago as 5 years is all out there *with* 
names,
dates and places to satisfy any REAL scientist. ( A person trying to
objectively ascertain truth by test)
ANY statistician/epedemiologist worth his salt can show that there is
statistically insignificant support for the theory of Vaccination.  But
would be professionally insane to do so - or exceptionally brave - and 
there
are heroes out there!

Actually, on the last major eval that an interest group that I am in, ran 
on
this very matter ( as a test for a different process), running water
availability has the highest correlation of all.
HOWEVER the fundamental failure of the concept is simple:
WHY does the percentage of the population affected remain constant?
WHY is it that only 30% of the grouped population contracts the disease?
WHY don't the vaccinations work comparatively?
Odd point: Even in nature it was rare, until recently, for her to eliminate
more than the magic 30%.
Although it might be unfair to blame Mother Nature anymore. We seem 
to
have taken over and far more effectively.

BTW: We haven't eliminated any major killers in the last century at all.
Many of these scourges have (apparently) a 150 year cycle - the actual
lifespan probable for a healthy human... from a biologists point of
view. ?

Nightmares potential: Haven't you noticed how they are all coming back?

For anyone interested in such occult matters - I can point you to some 
odd
things - but always with the disclaimer:
I'm just the messenger - don't blame/shoot me!

Cheers,

John



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RE: CSImmunization OT

2000-08-11 Thread James Osbourne, Holmes
Hi John,

I am always interested in ...odd things.  

Please share, on or off list.

Thanks in advance. 

James Osbourne Holmes
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FTNWO


-Original Message-
From:   John Rigby [SMTP:ri...@fablor.com]
Sent:   Thursday, August 10, 2000 9:17 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CSImmunization OT

Ha there Roger  folks,

Subject: Re: CSImmunization OT
  For what it is worth:
  As a statistician I can say that there is absolutely no empirical
evidence
  for the efficacy of vaccination at all, rather evidence to its
exceptional
  dangers.

  John

 John: I was intrigued by your last statement. In light of the virtual
 elimination of a number of infectious diseases during the last century, I
 would like to know how you arrived at this conclusion. Roger

WOW! Far too big a topic for an easy answer and certainly too big and far
off-topic for the list.
Just look in the Cyberbog under anti-vaccination and information that was
totally hidden as short a time ago as 5 years is all out there *with* names,
dates and places to satisfy any REAL scientist. ( A person trying to
objectively ascertain truth by test)
ANY statistician/epedemiologist worth his salt can show that there is
statistically insignificant support for the theory of Vaccination.  But
would be professionally insane to do so - or exceptionally brave - and there
are heroes out there!

Actually, on the last major eval that an interest group that I am in, ran on
this very matter ( as a test for a different process), running water
availability has the highest correlation of all.
HOWEVER the fundamental failure of the concept is simple:
WHY does the percentage of the population affected remain constant?
WHY is it that only 30% of the grouped population contracts the disease?
WHY don't the vaccinations work comparatively?
Odd point: Even in nature it was rare, until recently, for her to eliminate
more than the magic 30%.
Although it might be unfair to blame Mother Nature anymore. We seem to
have taken over and far more effectively.

BTW: We haven't eliminated any major killers in the last century at all.
Many of these scourges have (apparently) a 150 year cycle - the actual
lifespan probable for a healthy human... from a biologists point of
view. ?

Nightmares potential: Haven't you noticed how they are all coming back?

For anyone interested in such occult matters - I can point you to some odd
things - but always with the disclaimer:
I'm just the messenger - don't blame/shoot me!

Cheers,

John



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Re: CSImmunization OT

2000-08-10 Thread John Rigby
Ha there Roger  folks,

Subject: Re: CSImmunization OT
  For what it is worth:
  As a statistician I can say that there is absolutely no empirical
evidence
  for the efficacy of vaccination at all, rather evidence to its
exceptional
  dangers.

  John

 John: I was intrigued by your last statement. In light of the virtual
 elimination of a number of infectious diseases during the last century, I
 would like to know how you arrived at this conclusion. Roger

WOW! Far too big a topic for an easy answer and certainly too big and far
off-topic for the list.
Just look in the Cyberbog under anti-vaccination and information that was
totally hidden as short a time ago as 5 years is all out there *with* names,
dates and places to satisfy any REAL scientist. ( A person trying to
objectively ascertain truth by test)
ANY statistician/epedemiologist worth his salt can show that there is
statistically insignificant support for the theory of Vaccination.  But
would be professionally insane to do so - or exceptionally brave - and there
are heroes out there!

Actually, on the last major eval that an interest group that I am in, ran on
this very matter ( as a test for a different process), running water
availability has the highest correlation of all.
HOWEVER the fundamental failure of the concept is simple:
WHY does the percentage of the population affected remain constant?
WHY is it that only 30% of the grouped population contracts the disease?
WHY don't the vaccinations work comparatively?
Odd point: Even in nature it was rare, until recently, for her to eliminate
more than the magic 30%.
Although it might be unfair to blame Mother Nature anymore. We seem to
have taken over and far more effectively.

BTW: We haven't eliminated any major killers in the last century at all.
Many of these scourges have (apparently) a 150 year cycle - the actual
lifespan probable for a healthy human... from a biologists point of
view. ?

Nightmares potential: Haven't you noticed how they are all coming back?

For anyone interested in such occult matters - I can point you to some odd
things - but always with the disclaimer:
I'm just the messenger - don't blame/shoot me!

Cheers,

John



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CSImmunization OT

2000-08-09 Thread DeathBH
Ok List;

Re:  Immunization OT 
it appears to be a victory; when I handed the school the forms today... they 
didn't even challenge me.  seems others may have already challenged my local 
system.. they appeared familiar with the forms.  End of story for now. 

Jeannine 


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Re: CSImmunization OT

2000-08-09 Thread John Rigby
Hello Jeannine  folks,

My hat off to you Jeannine!  You are a brave person. Being right is beside
the point. You are challenging a massive system.  Congratulations.
For what it is worth:
As a statistician I can say that there is absolutely no empirical evidence
for the efficacy of vaccination at all, rather evidence to its exceptional
dangers.

John

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From: deat...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:14 AM
Subject: CSImmunization OT


 Ok List;

 Re:  Immunization OT
 it appears to be a victory; when I handed the school the forms today...
they
 didn't even challenge me.  seems others may have already challenged my
local
 system.. they appeared familiar with the forms.  End of story for now.

 Jeannine


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CSImmunization

2000-08-07 Thread DeathBH
James  list:
thanks for the suggestion on the form, but I already have the form; Atlantean 
press supplies all of that and the code for each state for only $10 - not bad 
in my estimation.  I even located the Georgia code on the internet this 
weekend and downloaded it.  

However, from a separate source I now have a possible legal representation 
if I get into a bind the Rutherford Institute...  A homeschool Mom told 
me last night.  that represent people whose religious rights are violated.   
FYI.

Thanks all for your comments - I go Wednesday.  I'll let the list know what 
the outcome is.

Jeannine 


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Re: CSImmunization

2000-08-07 Thread John Draper
Hi Jeannine,

You may also want to look into Dr. Len Horowitz's site at:

http://www.tetrahedron.org/
Toll Free  1-888-508-4787
 Telephone  208-265-2575
 FAX   208-265-2775
 Postal address
  206 North 4 th Avenue, Suite 147 Sandpoint, ID 83864
 Electronic mail
   General Information: te...@tetrahedron.org
   Sales: te...@tetrahedron.org
   Customer Support: te...@tetrahedron.org

He has alot of experience and knowledge dealing with the issue of
vaccinations.
He has forms and information you can download from his site. If you have
questons
you can call them too.

Best of Luck,

John





- Original Message -
From: deat...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:59 AM
Subject: CSImmunization


 James  list:
 thanks for the suggestion on the form, but I already have the form;
Atlantean
 press supplies all of that and the code for each state for only $10 - not
bad
 in my estimation.  I even located the Georgia code on the internet this
 weekend and downloaded it.

 However, from a separate source I now have a possible legal
representation
 if I get into a bind the Rutherford Institute...  A homeschool Mom
told
 me last night.  that represent people whose religious rights are violated.
 FYI.

 Thanks all for your comments - I go Wednesday.  I'll let the list know
what
 the outcome is.

 Jeannine


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