RE: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
I second that. Also, those that have taglines, like T.J. (not Chuck), it would help if you would put a carriage return between your post and the tagline... Dan -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver? Marshall. It would help immensely if you hit a carriage return once or twice before starting your reply. It's difficult to find your answers among the original post, and I do dote on your contributions. Chuck Have no fear Underdog is here! and here! and here. and here too! For the love of God man - shut off the power mower! On 9/22/2008 10:34:00 AM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Frank Key [MesoSilver] looked for ionic silver in blood with an ion selective probe after ingesting ionic silver. He found none. That is to be expected, since the ionic silver plates out on the colloidal particles rather quickly after making it into the blood steam. But he doesn't say what he DID find and he does have the tools to look. He also doesn't say he found no silver. I suspect he either did not test for the quantity of silver in the blood, or the information was not in favor of his goals. If he in fact did find silver chloride, it would have been to his sales advantage to say so. I would not think he would find any silver chloride, or if he did, it would be an extremely low level. Frank doesn't say that Ionic silver doesn't work but attributes its power to the particle content in it. That is correct. But I disagree. Particle is a great germicide, but the ionic portion is great for healing, allowing the body to generate stem cells at will. But since the ionic portion becomes colloidal anyway in the blood stream, the argument seems rather silly to me. If the -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
Ode Coyote wrote: Frank Key [MesoSilver] looked for ionic silver in blood with an ion selective probe after ingesting ionic silver. He found none. That is to be expected, since the ionic silver plates out on the colloidal particles rather quickly after making it into the blood steam. But he doesn't say what he DID find and he does have the tools to look. He also doesn't say he found no silver. I suspect he either did not test for the quantity of silver in the blood, or the information was not in favor of his goals. If he in fact did find silver chloride, it would have been to his sales advantage to say so. I would not think he would find any silver chloride, or if he did, it would be an extremely low level. Frank doesn't say that Ionic silver doesn't work but attributes its power to the particle content in it. That is correct. But I disagree. Particle is a great germicide, but the ionic portion is great for healing, allowing the body to generate stem cells at will. But since the ionic portion becomes colloidal anyway in the blood stream, the argument seems rather silly to me. If the ionic silver is 97% ionic, finding a particle would be nigh impossible using the close focus tools that have the ability to see one. I think you will find that the ionic part in typical EIS is closer to 85 to 90%. This is a series of unprovable negatives to be sure. It's not proof of anything, but it does cause one to wonder a bit. We don't know what MesoSilver is. Only Frank knows that. It is a suspension of small silver particles (a colloid) in water, in which the particles exceed 50% vs the ionic portion. All we know is that we don't know how to make it and we DO know how to make ionic. Actually I do know how to make such products, but the equipment costs are extremely high. Marshall Ode At 12:26 PM 9/18/2008 -0400, you wrote: This ino was printed in a post of a man treating his family after antibiotics for lyme. He has been helped with Mesosilver and states the reason ionic is not as good. I thought consensus was that it was the ionic part that is most beneficial. Here's whaat the article staed: Ionic silver is not the same as metallic silver nanoparticles . For example, metallic silver is not water soluble (does not dissolve in water) but ionic silver is water soluble (it does dissolve in water). Technically speaking, a silver ion is an atom of silver that is missing one electron. It is the outermost electrons of an atom that determine the physical properties of matter. Take away one electron from a silver atom and you get a silver ion which is water soluble. In its ionic form, silver is highly reactive with other elements which means it will readily combine to form compounds. Because a true silver colloid consists of silver nanoparticles, not ions. Inside the human body ionic silver quickly combines with chloride to form an insoluble compound called silver chloride which is far less reactive than metallic silver nanoparticles. In fact, ionic silver cannot survive inside the human body. In the digestive tract hydrochloric acid supplies the chloride ions that cause ionic silver to quickly form silver chloride. If some ionic silver were ever able to get into the bloodstream it would encounter a large supply of chloride ions owing to the fact that blood serum is rich in sodium and potassium chloride, again quickly forming silver chloride. Only silver nanoparticles can survive inside the body. Read the detailed study that proves that stomach acid destroys the effectiveness of ionic silver in a study that tested the Effects of HCL (Stomach Acid) on Colloidal and Ionic Silver. SNIP -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1679 - Release Date: 9/18/2008 5:03 PM
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
Marshall. It would help immensely if you hit a carriage return once or twice before starting your reply. It's difficult to find your answers among the original post, and I do dote on your contributions. Chuck Have no fear Underdog is here! and here! and here. and here too! For the love of God man - shut off the power mower! On 9/22/2008 10:34:00 AM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Frank Key [MesoSilver] looked for ionic silver in blood with an ion selective probe after ingesting ionic silver. He found none. That is to be expected, since the ionic silver plates out on the colloidal particles rather quickly after making it into the blood steam. But he doesn't say what he DID find and he does have the tools to look. He also doesn't say he found no silver. I suspect he either did not test for the quantity of silver in the blood, or the information was not in favor of his goals. If he in fact did find silver chloride, it would have been to his sales advantage to say so. I would not think he would find any silver chloride, or if he did, it would be an extremely low level. Frank doesn't say that Ionic silver doesn't work but attributes its power to the particle content in it. That is correct. But I disagree. Particle is a great germicide, but the ionic portion is great for healing, allowing the body to generate stem cells at will. But since the ionic portion becomes colloidal anyway in the blood stream, the argument seems rather silly to me. If the No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1684 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 6:39 AM
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1684 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 6:39 AM I always do. And everything always looks good, with my stuff delimited by a good bit of white space before and after. But after I send it, what I get back has all the returns stripped out by something, I have no idea what. For instance, on this message, there are 5 returns before what I started typing. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
Hmm.. Looks like 5's the charm. 4 to the strip god, and one for us. Chuck Money isn't everything but it sure keeps the kids in touch. On 9/22/2008 2:19:36 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1684 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 6:39 AM I always do. And everything always looks good, with my stuff delimited by a good bit of white space before and after. But after I send it, what I get back has all the returns stripped out by something, I have no idea what. For instance, on this message, there are 5 returns before what I started typing. Marshall No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1684 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 6:39 AM
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
On Sep 18, 2008, at 7:41 PM, Neville wrote: - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:58 AM Subject: Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver? [ Ah the beauties of definitions. Kathryn] You've certainly got that right Kathryn...!! I have said in the past that I was fully aware I was 'out of my league' so to speak in this list, but how else is one going to learn anything which can be considered of 'value'. I don't mind looking stupid...I'm not a pretender, and if I don't ask then I will never know. If patience is lost then I will only be told to bugger off anyway, or be ignored. That's the risk anyone takes when entering a communication medium such as this. Cheers...Neville. Thanks for the laugh, Neville, Well, I have to say I do mind appearing stupid, but since it happens anyway despite my best efforts, I have to try to be good natured about it-- lol It seems that most like questions, that is why the list is here after all. -- K. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
The penny has now 'dropped' sol! It seems the links are 'active' when it is possible to click on them i.e. when they have been received. Thanks to all. dee sol wrote: Dee wrote: I would love to hear our respected various 'sages' replies to this. (by the way, the hyperlinks at the bottom of 'this' email, weren't highlighted!) dee Do you mean they were not highlighted (active) in the Read or Preview window or in the edit/compose window when you were typing your reply? On my 'puter they are highlighted in the read window, but not in the compose window. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
I am speaking in general terms. Salts dissolve in water, along with many other things. Soluble in water means that the bonds holding the compound together break when water is introduced, like salts, or sugar. If you take some dirt, it will go into the water, but will probably not dissolve much, and the wet dirt will settle to the bottom. Some of the dirt might be fine enough, of a small enough particle size to be suspended in water. Some of that will be clay sized, and will also settle to the bottom after some time, a tiny percentage might be finer still, and will not settle out- it will stay suspended in water, and this would be the colloid fraction. A colloid is a size of particle. All this will occur in water, tap water, that normally has other stuff dissolved in the water as well. Now with getting silver to be ionically in solution requires that the water be very pure and have nothing else in it, or else the silver will react with whatever is there, and then you would have silver compounds. So it is not really soluble in water, it is an artificial solution made with specific parameters. There are silver salts, like silver nitrate, which will dissolve in water, but that is not what we are after. That is caustic and poisonous. Silver by itself is pretty safe and non-toxic. Silver in compound form is not either, most of the time. It has become something entirely different, and has new properties specific to whichever compound has been made. I hope this has helped some Kathryn On Sep 18, 2008, at 11:02 PM, Malcolm wrote: Hi Kathryn, Are you referring to the process as it (ionic silver solution) is made electrically, or in general? Ionic silver is soluble in water, fairly slightly, like 20 ppm or more or less, depending. It's not a compound that dissolves ionically like salt. But that brings up the other side of the thing; some substances dissolve in water non-ionically; would the addition of sugar or ether, or ??? result in precipitation of the ionic silver out of solution or perhaps as hydroxide, or some strange organic silver salt?? Does a form of silver exist as ionic other than as it is formed in water? Confusion reigns; Malcolm On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:28 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: A colloid is not soluble, it is a suspension. snippity snip The ionic silver is only in the water because there is nothing else in the water. If there was anything else in the water, it would combine with it. So, ionic silver is not really water soluble either, not in the way salt is water soluble. Ah the beauties of definitions. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
Frank Key [MesoSilver] looked for ionic silver in blood with an ion selective probe after ingesting ionic silver. He found none. But he doesn't say what he DID find and he does have the tools to look. He also doesn't say he found no silver. If he in fact did find silver chloride, it would have been to his sales advantage to say so. Frank doesn't say that Ionic silver doesn't work but attributes its power to the particle content in it. If the ionic silver is 97% ionic, finding a particle would be nigh impossible using the close focus tools that have the ability to see one. This is a series of unprovable negatives to be sure. It's not proof of anything, but it does cause one to wonder a bit. We don't know what MesoSilver is. Only Frank knows that. All we know is that we don't know how to make it and we DO know how to make ionic. Ode At 12:26 PM 9/18/2008 -0400, you wrote: This ino was printed in a post of a man treating his family after antibiotics for lyme. He has been helped with Mesosilver and states the reason ionic is not as good. I thought consensus was that it was the ionic part that is most beneficial. Here's whaat the article staed: Ionic silver is not the same as metallic silver nanoparticles . For example, metallic silver is not water soluble (does not dissolve in water) but ionic silver is water soluble (it does dissolve in water). Technically speaking, a silver ion is an atom of silver that is missing one electron. It is the outermost electrons of an atom that determine the physical properties of matter. Take away one electron from a silver atom and you get a silver ion which is water soluble. In its ionic form, silver is highly reactive with other elements which means it will readily combine to form compounds. Because a true silver colloid consists of silver nanoparticles, not ions. Inside the human body ionic silver quickly combines with chloride to form an insoluble compound called silver chloride which is far less reactive than metallic silver nanoparticles. In fact, ionic silver cannot survive inside the human body. In the digestive tract hydrochloric acid supplies the chloride ions that cause ionic silver to quickly form silver chloride. If some ionic silver were ever able to get into the bloodstream it would encounter a large supply of chloride ions owing to the fact that blood serum is rich in sodium and potassium chloride, again quickly forming silver chloride. Only silver nanoparticles can survive inside the body. Read the detailed study that proves that stomach acid destroys the effectiveness of ionic silver in a study that tested the Effects of HCL (Stomach Acid) on Colloidal and Ionic Silver. SNIP -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1679 - Release Date: 9/18/2008 5:03 PM
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
Thanks Marshall, What you have just said makes sense to me. Tony Moody On 18 Sep 2008 at 13:38, Marshall Dudley wrote about : Subject : Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver? He seems to have his facts mixed up. It is true that ionic silver becomes silver chloride in the stomach. Dissolved silver chloride is STILL ionic silver, and can and will exist in the blood stream, at least until it comes in contact with colloidal silver particles. Once this happens, they precipitate out onto the particles, and over time all the ionic silver becomes or enlarges colloidal silver nano particles. So since the ionic part converts to nanoparticle in the blood stream, which do survive, I am not sure what he is trying to say. In addition, ionic silver is what is required for conversion to stem cells. Marshall gmetrop...@aol.com wrote: This ino was printed in a post of a man treating his family after antibiotics for lyme. He has been helped with Mesosilver and states the reason ionic is not as good. I thought consensus was that it was the ionic part that is most beneficial. Here's whaat the article staed: Ionic silver is not the same as metallic silver nanoparticles . For example, metallic silver is not water soluble (does not dissolve in water) but ionic silver is water soluble (it does dissolve in water). Technically speaking, a silver ion is an atom of silver that is missing one electron. It is the outermost electrons of an atom that determine the physical properties of matter. Take away one electron from a silver atom and you get a silver ion which is water soluble. In its ionic form, silver is highly reactive with other elements which means it will readily combine to form compounds. Because a true silver colloid consists of silver nanoparticles, not ions. Inside the human body ionic silver quickly combines with chloride to form an insoluble compound called silver chloride which is far less reactive than metallic silver nanoparticles. In fact, ionic silver cannot survive inside the human body. In the digestive tract hydrochloric acid supplies the chloride ions that cause ionic silver to quickly form silver chloride. If some ionic silver were ever able to get into the bloodstream it would encounter a large supply of chloride ions owing to the fact that blood serum is rich in sodium and potassium chloride, again quickly forming silver chloride. Only silver nanoparticles can survive inside the body. Read the detailed study that proves that stomach acid destroys the effectiveness of ionic silver in a study that tested the Effects of HCL (Stomach Acid) on Colloidal and Ionic Silver. SNIP -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
yes, I agree, Marshall is great On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Tony Moody wrote: Thanks Marshall, What you have just said makes sense to me. Tony Moody On 18 Sep 2008 at 13:38, Marshall Dudley wrote about : Subject : Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver? He seems to have his facts mixed up. It is true that ionic silver becomes silver chloride in the stomach. Dissolved silver chloride is STILL ionic silver, and can and will exist in the blood stream, at least until it comes in contact with colloidal silver particles. Once this happens, they precipitate out onto the particles, and over time all the ionic silver becomes or enlarges colloidal silver nano particles. So since the ionic part converts to nanoparticle in the blood stream, which do survive, I am not sure what he is trying to say. In addition, ionic silver is what is required for conversion to stem cells. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
This ino was printed in a post of a man treating his family after antibiotics for lyme. He has been helped with Mesosilver and states the reason ionic is not as good. I thought consensus was that it was the ionic part that is most beneficial. Here's whaat the article staed: Ionic silver is not the same as metallic silver nanoparticles . For example, metallic silver is not water soluble (does not dissolve in water) but ionic silver is water soluble (it does dissolve in water). Technically speaking, a silver ion is an atom of silver that is missing one electron. It is the outermost electrons of an atom that determine the physical properties of matter. Take away one electron from a silver atom and you get a silver ion which is water soluble. In its ionic form, silver is highly reactive with other elements which means it will readily combine to form compounds. Because a true silver colloid consists of silver nanoparticles, not ions. Inside the human body ionic silver quickly combines with chloride to form an insoluble compound called silver chloride which is far less reactive than metallic silver nanoparticles. In fact, ionic silver cannot survive inside the human body. In the digestive tract hydrochloric acid supplies the chloride ions that cause ionic silver to quickly form silver chloride. If some ionic silver were ever able to get into the bloodstream it would encounter a large supply of chloride ions owing to the fact that blood serum is rich in sodium and potassium chloride, again quickly forming silver chloride. Only silver nanoparticles can survive inside the body. Read the detailed study that proves that stomach acid destroys the effectiveness of ionic silver in a study that tested the Effects of HCL (Stomach Acid) on Colloidal and Ionic Silver. SNIP -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
A colloid is not soluble, it is a suspension. A colloid can be made up of virtually anything at all, it is a size designation. That is what the nano part of any word signifies, a size only. Speak of any colloid, and you immediately know what size range you are talking about. The ionic silver is only in the water because there is nothing else in the water. If there was anything else in the water, it would combine with it. So, ionic silver is not really water soluble either, not in the way salt is water soluble. Ah the beauties of definitions. Kathryn On Sep 18, 2008, at 11:26 AM, gmetrop...@aol.com wrote: This ino was printed in a post of a man treating his family after antibiotics for lyme. He has been helped with Mesosilver and states the reason ionic is not as good. I thought consensus was that it was the ionic part that is most beneficial. Here's whaat the article staed: Ionic silver is not the same as metallic silver nanoparticles . For example, metallic silver is not water soluble (does not dissolve in water) but ionic silver is water soluble (it does dissolve in water). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
He seems to have his facts mixed up. It is true that ionic silver becomes silver chloride in the stomach. Dissolved silver chloride is STILL ionic silver, and can and will exist in the blood stream, at least until it comes in contact with colloidal silver particles. Once this happens, they precipitate out onto the particles, and over time all the ionic silver becomes or enlarges colloidal silver nano particles. So since the ionic part converts to nanoparticle in the blood stream, which do survive, I am not sure what he is trying to say. In addition, ionic silver is what is required for conversion to stem cells. Marshall gmetrop...@aol.com wrote: This ino was printed in a post of a man treating his family after antibiotics for lyme. He has been helped with Mesosilver and states the reason ionic is not as good. I thought consensus was that it was the ionic part that is most beneficial. Here's whaat the article staed: Ionic silver is not the same as metallic silver nanoparticles . For example, metallic silver is not water soluble (does not dissolve in water) but ionic silver is water soluble (it does dissolve in water). Technically speaking, a silver ion is an atom of silver that is missing one electron. It is the outermost electrons of an atom that determine the physical properties of matter. Take away one electron from a silver atom and you get a silver ion which is water soluble. In its ionic form, silver is highly reactive with other elements which means it will readily combine to form compounds. Because a true silver colloid consists of silver nanoparticles, not ions. Inside the human body ionic silver quickly combines with chloride to form an insoluble compound called silver chloride which is far less reactive than metallic silver nanoparticles. In fact, ionic silver cannot survive inside the human body. In the digestive tract hydrochloric acid supplies the chloride ions that cause ionic silver to quickly form silver chloride. If some ionic silver were ever able to get into the bloodstream it would encounter a large supply of chloride ions owing to the fact that blood serum is rich in sodium and potassium chloride, again quickly forming silver chloride. Only silver nanoparticles can survive inside the body. Read the detailed study that proves that stomach acid destroys the effectiveness of ionic silver in a study that tested the Effects of HCL (Stomach Acid) on Colloidal and Ionic Silver. SNIP -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
I would love to hear our respected various 'sages' replies to this. (by the way, the hyperlinks at the bottom of 'this' email, weren't highlighted!) dee gmetrop...@aol.com wrote: This ino was printed in a post of a man treating his family after antibiotics for lyme. He has been helped with Mesosilver and states the reason ionic is not as good. I thought consensus was that it was the ionic part that is most beneficial. Here's whaat the article staed: Ionic silver is not the same as metallic silver nanoparticles . For example, metallic silver is not water soluble (does not dissolve in water) but ionic silver is water soluble (it does dissolve in water). Technically speaking, a silver ion is an atom of silver that is missing one electron. It is the outermost electrons of an atom that determine the physical properties of matter. Take away one electron from a silver atom and you get a silver ion which is water soluble. In its ionic form, silver is highly reactive with other elements which means it will readily combine to form compounds. Because a true silver colloid consists of silver nanoparticles, not ions. Inside the human body ionic silver quickly combines with chloride to form an insoluble compound called silver chloride which is far less reactive than metallic silver nanoparticles. In fact, ionic silver cannot survive inside the human body. In the digestive tract hydrochloric acid supplies the chloride ions that cause ionic silver to quickly form silver chloride. If some ionic silver were ever able to get into the bloodstream it would encounter a large supply of chloride ions owing to the fact that blood serum is rich in sodium and potassium chloride, again quickly forming silver chloride. Only silver nanoparticles can survive inside the body. Read the detailed study that proves that stomach acid destroys the effectiveness of ionic silver in a study that tested the Effects of HCL (Stomach Acid) on Colloidal and Ionic Silver. SNIP -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
Dee wrote: I would love to hear our respected various 'sages' replies to this. (by the way, the hyperlinks at the bottom of 'this' email, weren't highlighted!) dee Do you mean they were not highlighted (active) in the Read or Preview window or in the edit/compose window when you were typing your reply? On my 'puter they are highlighted in the read window, but not in the compose window. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
- Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:58 AM Subject: Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver? [ Ah the beauties of definitions. Kathryn] You've certainly got that right Kathryn...!! I have said in the past that I was fully aware I was 'out of my league' so to speak in this list, but how else is one going to learn anything which can be considered of 'value'. I don't mind looking stupid...I'm not a pretender, and if I don't ask then I will never know. If patience is lost then I will only be told to bugger off anyway, or be ignored. That's the risk anyone takes when entering a communication medium such as this. Cheers...Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
Hi Kathryn, Are you referring to the process as it (ionic silver solution) is made electrically, or in general? Ionic silver is soluble in water, fairly slightly, like 20 ppm or more or less, depending. It's not a compound that dissolves ionically like salt. But that brings up the other side of the thing; some substances dissolve in water non-ionically; would the addition of sugar or ether, or ??? result in precipitation of the ionic silver out of solution or perhaps as hydroxide, or some strange organic silver salt?? Does a form of silver exist as ionic other than as it is formed in water? Confusion reigns; Malcolm On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:28 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: A colloid is not soluble, it is a suspension. snippity snip The ionic silver is only in the water because there is nothing else in the water. If there was anything else in the water, it would combine with it. So, ionic silver is not really water soluble either, not in the way salt is water soluble. Ah the beauties of definitions. Kathryn On Sep 18, 2008, at 11:26 AM, gmetrop...@aol.com wrote: This ino was printed in a post of a man treating his family after antibiotics for lyme. He has been helped with Mesosilver and states the reason ionic is not as good. I thought consensus was that it was the ionic part that is most beneficial. Here's whaat the article staed: Ionic silver is not the same as metallic silver nanoparticles . For example, metallic silver is not water soluble (does not dissolve in water) but ionic silver is water soluble (it does dissolve in water). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
