Re: CSRe: CS turning yellow?
I'd give it 2 or 3 days. Ode At 12:32 PM 10/16/2007 -0500, you wrote: I added a few drops of H2O2 to some newly made cs, and it turned it a funny brownish yellow color, then I let it sit for a week, and started adding H2O2 a drop at a time, it turned clear, and the uS went up. Which I interpret to mean that the particles were broken up by the peroxide and went back to ions. I am taking that batch, and I would not hesitate to use it in my eyes or anywhere else. How many days does one have to wait to add peroxide so it does not do that? On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: At 05:52 PM 10/15/2007 -0400, you wrote: Ode If you use the peroxide in the cs is it still safe to use in eyes? Dianne It only takes about 6 drops of 3% to the quart. I'd say, no problem. Ode That is interesting, because I determined that a half teaspoon per gallon was the correct amount. With 50 drops to the teaspoon, the amount you add is within 4% of the amount I add. There is a tremendous difference in the way it acts if you add H2O2 to fresh CS vs aged CS. When do you think the best time to add the H2O2 is? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 2:14 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.0/1076 - Release Date: 10/17/2007 7:53 PM
Re: CSRe: CS turning yellow?
At 05:52 PM 10/15/2007 -0400, you wrote: Ode If you use the peroxide in the cs is it still safe to use in eyes? Dianne It only takes about 6 drops of 3% to the quart. I'd say, no problem. Ode -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 5:55 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ode Coyote wrote: At 05:52 PM 10/15/2007 -0400, you wrote: Ode If you use the peroxide in the cs is it still safe to use in eyes? Dianne It only takes about 6 drops of 3% to the quart. I'd say, no problem. Ode That is interesting, because I determined that a half teaspoon per gallon was the correct amount. With 50 drops to the teaspoon, the amount you add is within 4% of the amount I add. There is a tremendous difference in the way it acts if you add H2O2 to fresh CS vs aged CS. When do you think the best time to add the H2O2 is? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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And might I suggest using one drop at a time? I have success with less it depends on how many particles are there. Ode, thanks for explaning this so well. On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: At 05:52 PM 10/15/2007 -0400, you wrote: Ode If you use the peroxide in the cs is it still safe to use in eyes? Dianne It only takes about 6 drops of 3% to the quart. I'd say, no problem. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I added a few drops of H2O2 to some newly made cs, and it turned it a funny brownish yellow color, then I let it sit for a week, and started adding H2O2 a drop at a time, it turned clear, and the uS went up. Which I interpret to mean that the particles were broken up by the peroxide and went back to ions. I am taking that batch, and I would not hesitate to use it in my eyes or anywhere else. How many days does one have to wait to add peroxide so it does not do that? On Oct 16, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: At 05:52 PM 10/15/2007 -0400, you wrote: Ode If you use the peroxide in the cs is it still safe to use in eyes? Dianne It only takes about 6 drops of 3% to the quart. I'd say, no problem. Ode That is interesting, because I determined that a half teaspoon per gallon was the correct amount. With 50 drops to the teaspoon, the amount you add is within 4% of the amount I add. There is a tremendous difference in the way it acts if you add H2O2 to fresh CS vs aged CS. When do you think the best time to add the H2O2 is? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Oxidation of ions, Reactions with contaminants...resulting in... Agglomeration of forming particles as it stabilizes. Going beyond around 10 PPM aggravates these conditions and the stronger it is the more likely it is to happen. It CAN happen as low as 5 PPM if the current density of the generator was high enough to produce oxide particles. [golden mist] At 25 PPM and over, it's very likely to happen. If the particles are predominantly pure metallic silver colloid, they can be of the size range that reflects the colors yellow and green the best in millions of tiny mirrors and won't look yellow when taken outside and looked through in full spectrum sunlight, away from other colors. If it's an oxide, hydrogen peroxide will clear it up and break apart any crystals using an oxide particle as a crystal nucleus to grown on. Ode At 09:08 AM 10/13/2007 -0400, you wrote: Made a batch of CS about 10 days ago. It is in a clear glass bottle in a brown paper bag in my kitchen cabinet. Turns out that it is ionic silver. It was clear as water at first but now it is turning yellow. Why is this? thanks. Faith No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.10/1070 - Release Date: 10/14/2007 9:22 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.10/1070 - Release Date: 10/14/2007 9:22 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ode If you use the peroxide in the cs is it still safe to use in eyes? Dianne - Original Message - From: Ode Coyotemailto:odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS turning yellow? Oxidation of ions, Reactions with contaminants...resulting in... Agglomeration of forming particles as it stabilizes. Going beyond around 10 PPM aggravates these conditions and the stronger it is the more likely it is to happen. It CAN happen as low as 5 PPM if the current density of the generator was high enough to produce oxide particles. [golden mist] At 25 PPM and over, it's very likely to happen. If the particles are predominantly pure metallic silver colloid, they can be of the size range that reflects the colors yellow and green the best in millions of tiny mirrors and won't look yellow when taken outside and looked through in full spectrum sunlight, away from other colors. If it's an oxide, hydrogen peroxide will clear it up and break apart any crystals using an oxide particle as a crystal nucleus to grown on. Ode At 09:08 AM 10/13/2007 -0400, you wrote: Made a batch of CS about 10 days ago. It is in a clear glass bottle in a brown paper bag in my kitchen cabinet. Turns out that it is ionic silver. It was clear as water at first but now it is turning yellow. Why is this? thanks. Faith No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.10/1070 - Release Date: 10/14/2007 9:22 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.10/1070 - Release Date: 10/14/2007 9:22 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org/ To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.commailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.commailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ed thanks for this. Jess -Original Message- From: m1mar...@aol.com [mailto:m1mar...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 2:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: CS turning yellow? http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm This article will explain the yellow. Ed. -- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
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...when you make CS by the electrical process most of us use, it actually has a percentage of particles along with the ions. percentage varies, but on the big picture averages probably around 15%. those particles will tend to stick together and grow into larger particles over time. the yellow will eventually get darker, and at some point the particles will get heavy enough to fall to the bottom, and the liquid will again be clear...probably more crystal clear that it ever was. at this point, if you filter the solution through a few layers of coffee filter paper several passes your clear solution will probably be dead stable thereafter and almost totally ionic. i use 24 liter bottles, and the CS i'm drinking is always about 2 months old. i drink a bottle in about 5 days or less, and give some away too. it was filtered approx. weekly at least 4 times, taking it to crystal clear, and has remained stable for a month. i make more as fast as i use it, and while brewing i filter whatever bottles need it. i watch for fallout in the bottom to decide if it needs it. when filtering, i use 4 layers, and do the bottles in pairs, since that's how they're made (a batch is brewed in a 2 liter jar) and the date of brewing and each successive filtering is on the bottle with a sharpie. i use 2 funnels in 2 temp bottles. i filter the pair into the temp bottles, then discard the top layer of paper and add a fresh bottom layer before filtering again back into the original bottles. i move to the next pair to be filtered without changing the top paper until it's in the temp bottles. i do all this because i overbrew the CS until i can't get it any stronger, and it comes out thickly brownish black by the time it's up to about 32-34ppm. when it seems done, i filter it and brew again. all the filtering generally takes it down to 28-32ppm, as some ions get pulled into becoming part of the particles. the more intermediate filtering and re-brewing i do, the less the ppm drops from filtering... been wondering why that is. it might not be at all necessary to go to all the work to make it so strong, and would be much easier to stop while it's clear and end up with 10-14ppm. it seems effectiveness when it's at least 10-14ppm might be as good as stronger, and the key is actually frequency and volume of doses. but i do it anyway...i might be addicted or something. -Original Message- From: faith gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:08 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: CS turning yellow? Made a batch of CS about 10 days ago. It is in a clear glass bottle in a brown paper bag in my kitchen cabinet. Turns out that it is ionic silver. It was clear as water at first but now it is turning yellow. Why is this? thanks. Faith
CSRe: CS turning yellow?
Made a batch of CS about 10 days ago. It is in a clear glass bottle in a brown paper bag in my kitchen cabinet. Turns out that it is ionic silver. It was clear as water at first but now it is turning yellow. Why is this? thanks. Faith
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When it is strong, the ions tend to bumb into each other and become particles, and these molecules reflect the light slightly, so it does turn yellow sometimes. I had a quart batch that did that, and I added one drop of peroxide to it, and it cleared up some. When I added one more drop it turned back clear. I let it sit several hours each time after adding the drop of peroxide to it. I am using that now, and it is fine, good quality, and works. The peroxide allows the ions to separate back out, and the size once again becomes smaller. The other time it changed colors was when the silver started to react with something that was in the glass, some impurity. It changed all the colors of the rainbow, nearly, before the purple particles dropped out and it became clear, but still with an Ec reading of about 10uS. I filtered it, and I did try one dose of it, it seemed ineffective, so I threw it out. That mason jar still has a stain in the side which will not come out. I don't use it for making silver anymore, though. Kathryn On Oct 13, 2007, at 8:08 AM, faith gagne wrote: Made a batch of CS about 10 days ago. It is in a clear glass bottle in a brown paper bag in my kitchen cabinet. Turns out that it is ionic silver. It was clear as water at first but now it is turning yellow. Why is this? thanks. Faith -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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What on earth do you use to get an Ec reading of 10uS/ How can I find out more about this? Faith - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS turning yellow? When it is strong, the ions tend to bumb into each other and become particles, and these molecules reflect the light slightly, so it does turn yellow sometimes. I had a quart batch that did that, and I added one drop of peroxide to it, and it cleared up some. When I added one more drop it turned back clear. I let it sit several hours each time after adding the drop of peroxide to it. I am using that now, and it is fine, good quality, and works. The peroxide allows the ions to separate back out, and the size once again becomes smaller. The other time it changed colors was when the silver started to react with something that was in the glass, some impurity. It changed all the colors of the rainbow, nearly, before the purple particles dropped out and it became clear, but still with an Ec reading of about 10uS. I filtered it, and I did try one dose of it, it seemed ineffective, so I threw it out. That mason jar still has a stain in the side which will not come out. I don't use it for making silver anymore, though. Kathryn On Oct 13, 2007, at 8:08 AM, faith gagne wrote: Made a batch of CS about 10 days ago. It is in a clear glass bottle in a brown paper bag in my kitchen cabinet. Turns out that it is ionic silver. It was clear as water at first but now it is turning yellow. Why is this? thanks. Faith -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Kathryn , Did you use food grade h202 or the store bought kind if you used the food grade what percent mine is 35% Thank You Ted Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: When it is strong, the ions tend to bumb into each other and become particles, and these molecules reflect the light slightly, so it does turn yellow sometimes. I had a quart batch that did that, and I added one drop of peroxide to it, and it cleared up some. When I added one more drop it turned back clear. I let it sit several hours each time after adding the drop of peroxide to it. I am using that now, and it is fine, good quality, and works. The peroxide allows the ions to separate back out, and the size once again becomes smaller. The other time it changed colors was when the silver started to react with something that was in the glass, some impurity. It changed all the colors of the rainbow, nearly, before the purple particles dropped out and it became clear, but still with an Ec reading of about 10uS. I filtered it, and I did try one dose of it, it seemed ineffective, so I threw it out. That mason jar still has a stain in the side which will not come out. I don't use it for making silver anymore, though. Kathryn On Oct 13, 2007, at 8:08 AM, faith gagne wrote: Made a batch of CS about 10 days ago. It is in a clear glass bottle in a brown paper bag in my kitchen cabinet. Turns out that it is ionic silver. It was clear as water at first but now it is turning yellow. Why is this? thanks. Faith -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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from the drug store, 3% I think. The food grade seems dangerous to me, very strong. On Oct 13, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Ted Mozell wrote: Hi Kathryn , Did you use food grade h202 or the store bought kind if you used the food grade what percent mine is 35% Thank You Ted Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote:When it is strong, the ions tend to bumb into each -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I use a meter I bought- hm comm 100, it is very cool. I got it from silverpuppy site, look under accessories. On Oct 13, 2007, at 11:44 AM, faith gagne wrote: What on earth do you use to get an Ec reading of 10uS/ How can I find out more about this? Faith - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Does this read ppm's? I was told to try for 10 PPM and that's what I try to do.But seems the meter I use is changeable, or not accurate. Thanks, Leslie - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS turning yellow? I use a meter I bought- hm comm 100, it is very cool. I got it from silverpuppy site, look under accessories. On Oct 13, 2007, at 11:44 AM, faith gagne wrote: What on earth do you use to get an Ec reading of 10uS/ How can I find out more about this? Faith - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On 10/13/07, Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: from the drug store, 3% I think. The food grade seems dangerous to me, very strong. You have to dilute food grade H202. Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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_http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm_ (http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm) This article will explain the yellow. Ed. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Thank you. Faith - Original Message - From: m1mar...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS turning yellow? http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm This article will explain the yellow. Ed. -- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
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Weel, it reads micro Siemans, a unit of electrical conductivity, and that relates pretty well with the ppm. Ode did some tests with it, and it looks very consistent. It is good enough for me, espcially since to get an absolutely accurate (as good as you can get) reading takes some *very* expensive lab equipment, which is out of my reach, like a mass spec. Kathryn On Oct 13, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Leslie wrote: Does this read ppm's? I was told to try for 10 PPM and that's what I try to do.But seems the meter I use is changeable, or not accurate. Thanks, Leslie - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS turning yellow? I use a meter I bought- hm comm 100, it is very cool. I got it from silverpuppy site, look under accessories. On Oct 13, 2007, at 11:44 AM, faith gagne wrote: What on earth do you use to get an Ec reading of 10uS/ How can I find out more about this? Faith - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
