Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid
Thanks for your replies, Sol and Clayton Family. We'll all be watching for mold information. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:48:50 -0600 I am extremely sensitive- I have a small reaction from taking it- due to the mold damage and extreme sensitivity. So, I get a reaction when I take too much. I started with one dropperful of 10 ppm, once a day, then increased it when I felt like it, every few days or week or so. Now I am up to maybe 2 1/2 teaspoons a day. When I was first looking this up, I found one MD who is using it for his asthma patients and others too, and he said to start small and go up from there (not to me, it was in an article). But my reaction to that was nothing compared to the herks from taking the diflucan- that put me in bed for 3 weeks, even at the tiny dose I was taking, one pill 2 times a week. I had a major infection that was killing me. Everyone told me there is no way out of it- when you are infected by mold, you have to bite the bullet and then deal with the reactions as best you can. Having a detox protocol is very important. I am also interested to hear what others may have to say about silver and mold, since the mold has been such a major problem in my life. Kathryn On Mar 24, 2007, at 11:26 AM, sol wrote: Ruth, I have taken between 0 and a quart a day of CS since I started using it at least 4 years ago. I have never once had a herx reaction. Some people may get a herx from starting with too much, but I have never had one so I freely dose by symptoms or no symptoms. If I have had little or no CS for days and then eat something that gives me the gallops, I have no qualms about drinking 4 - 8 ounces right down. It stops the food borne bacteria/runs nearly immediately. I don't know if I am unusual in never getting a herx? Anybody know? sol ruth strackbein wrote: I have been wondering the same thing. I have a Silvergen now and am taking 1 tblsp a day. That is up from a tsp a day to start with. Didn't want to get a herx reaction. Will have to look back in my files about EIS and mold. Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Live Search Maps find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2FORM=MGAC01
Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid
Hi, Sol, Sometimes I think it is hard to tell whether one is having a Herx reaction or just another episode of whatever is wrong that you are trying to treat. At least that is my experience. Thanks, Ruth P.S. Thanks especially for info about quantity of CS. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:26:00 -0700 Ruth, I have taken between 0 and a quart a day of CS since I started using it at least 4 years ago. I have never once had a herx reaction. Some people may get a herx from starting with too much, but I have never had one so I freely dose by symptoms or no symptoms. If I have had little or no CS for days and then eat something that gives me the gallops, I have no qualms about drinking 4 - 8 ounces right down. It stops the food borne bacteria/runs nearly immediately. I don't know if I am unusual in never getting a herx? Anybody know? sol ruth strackbein wrote: I have been wondering the same thing. I have a Silvergen now and am taking 1 tblsp a day. That is up from a tsp a day to start with. Didn't want to get a herx reaction. Will have to look back in my files about EIS and mold. Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE
Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid
Yes, I can see that might happen, but I really have never had a discernable herx. Really. sol ruth strackbein wrote: Hi, Sol, Sometimes I think it is hard to tell whether one is having a Herx reaction or just another episode of whatever is wrong that you are trying to treat. At least that is my experience. Thanks, Ruth P.S. Thanks especially for info about quantity of CS. Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid
I finally had to chime in here. I had a similar symptomology that looked for all the world like hypothyroid, but was not. My thyroid numbers were always fine. It turned out to be a toxicity problem combined with big mold problems. Not digesting anything I ate, it got weird, and severe. My temp used to be very low. When I got the fungal infections addressed, and dealt with the candida too (combo of diflucan and supplements), also got rid of the toxins in the home, my temps normalized, my blood pressure normalized, and I started feeling better too. The digestion problems can be caused by fungal overgrowth either by candida or maybe by aspergilllus or another fungus. There have been several bad ones found in the gut of sick individuals, so it is hard to say which it might be. But a good antifungal will kill them all, so it is not important which species. What is important is rebuilding the natural flora of the gut and supplementing with some vitamins to correct the likely deficiencies that will have occured due to the lack of good digestion. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents Kathryn On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:45 AM, ruth strackbein wrote: I'm not sure, am getting some advice from several people, especiallty about low thyroid. Am in process of trying to remember 3 days in a row to take my temperature before getting out of bed. Either I forget altogether, or have to go to the bathroom so badly that that takes precedent. And sometimes I just give up for awhile. I did take it this morning. 97.3 which I suspect is a lilttle low, but it has been like that any time of day like at the doctor's for years and he always says it is good. Thanks, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: vwol...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:35:00 EDT Dear Ruth...while it sounds as though you have a Dr. with some smarts...a total large bowel removal sounds very drastic. Is there something that the very wise and knowledgable people here can help you with? Anyone? V In a message dated 3/22/2007 5:44:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com writes: Hi, My cholesterol also runs around 200-220 and has for quite a few years, at least since I've been tested. Fortunately my Doctor does not buy into the cholesterol humbug, so I have not been put on drugs. Of course, part of the reason for this, I'm sure, is that my digestive tract problems would make figuring out a drug to use would be difficult if not impossible. He has had enough trouble with trying to get me to take tranquilizing drugs, ( not sure if this is the right category), and various other things that are supposed to help my bowel problems. He has given up on the medicines. Thankfully, but now recommends total large bowel removal.. I am resisting this, so far. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _ Its tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/ PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMMartagline -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid
Shouldn't EIS combat the mold problem? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Clayton Family Date: 03/24/07 06:24:04 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid I finally had to chime in here. I had a similar symptomology that looked for all the world like hypothyroid, but was not. My thyroid numbers were always fine. It turned out to be a toxicity problem combined with big mold problems. Not digesting anything I ate, it got weird, and severe. My temp used to be very low. When I got the fungal infections addressed, and dealt with the candida too (combo of diflucan and supplements), also got rid of the toxins in the home, my temps normalized, my blood pressure normalized, and I started feeling better too.
Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid
Thanks, Kathryn. My house does have a mold problem. Actually, I doubt that it is altogether curable, the house, that is. There is apparently an odor, also, so my grandchldren tell me. I don';t notice it, but have lived here since 1988 so have probably got used to it, though I don't remember ever noticing it, but I don't remember alot of things. I am currently researching a site called www.doctorsresearch.com about vitamins, especially natural vitamin c . I really don't think removing my large colon is going to solve all my problems and my doctors doubt that, too since the pain is right sided with sharp pain under right center ribcage and more of a burning down in the ileo region. Both extend along the right side of my abdomen with none on the left side, for the most part. I am not sure what to do about the house. Can' t spend alot as I am low income level. The answer may be to move into an apartment. I am wondering about even that since this whole area is prone to dampness and mold. The last radon reading I had was slightly high. Since then I have had a beaver system put in which has elilminated at least gross moisture in the basement. Cement walls and floor have been dry since then. I also haad cracks in the walls sealed. have not had a radon count since then. Probably should do that. However, the original carpets are still in the house. Thanks again for your reply. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:23:20 -0600 I finally had to chime in here. I had a similar symptomology that looked for all the world like hypothyroid, but was not. My thyroid numbers were always fine. It turned out to be a toxicity problem combined with big mold problems. Not digesting anything I ate, it got weird, and severe. My temp used to be very low. When I got the fungal infections addressed, and dealt with the candida too (combo of diflucan and supplements), also got rid of the toxins in the home, my temps normalized, my blood pressure normalized, and I started feeling better too. The digestion problems can be caused by fungal overgrowth either by candida or maybe by aspergilllus or another fungus. There have been several bad ones found in the gut of sick individuals, so it is hard to say which it might be. But a good antifungal will kill them all, so it is not important which species. What is important is rebuilding the natural flora of the gut and supplementing with some vitamins to correct the likely deficiencies that will have occured due to the lack of good digestion. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents Kathryn On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:45 AM, ruth strackbein wrote: I'm not sure, am getting some advice from several people, especiallty about low thyroid. Am in process of trying to remember 3 days in a row to take my temperature before getting out of bed. Either I forget altogether, or have to go to the bathroom so badly that that takes precedent. And sometimes I just give up for awhile. I did take it this morning. 97.3 which I suspect is a lilttle low, but it has been like that any time of day like at the doctor's for years and he always says it is good. Thanks, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: vwol...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:35:00 EDT Dear Ruth...while it sounds as though you have a Dr. with some smarts...a total large bowel removal sounds very drastic. Is there something that the very wise and knowledgable people here can help you with? Anyone? V In a message dated 3/22/2007 5:44:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com writes: Hi, My cholesterol also runs around 200-220 and has for quite a few years, at least since I've been tested. Fortunately my Doctor does not buy into the cholesterol humbug, so I have not been put on drugs. Of course, part of the reason for this, I'm sure, is that my digestive tract problems would make figuring out a drug to use would be difficult if not impossible. He has had enough trouble with trying to get me to take tranquilizing drugs, ( not sure if this is the right category), and various other things that are supposed to help my bowel problems. He has given up on the medicines. Thankfully, but now recommends total large bowel removal.. I am resisting this, so far. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _ Its tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/ PreparationTips.aspx
Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid
I have been wondering the same thing. I have a Silvergen now and am taking 1 tblsp a day. That is up from a tsp a day to start with. Didn't want to get a herx reaction. Will have to look back in my files about EIS and mold. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dee d...@deetroy.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:54:49 + (GMT Standard Time) Shouldn't EIS combat the mold problem? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Clayton Family Date: 03/24/07 06:24:04 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid I finally had to chime in here. I had a similar symptomology that looked for all the world like hypothyroid, but was not. My thyroid numbers were always fine. It turned out to be a toxicity problem combined with big mold problems. Not digesting anything I ate, it got weird, and severe. My temp used to be very low. When I got the fungal infections addressed, and dealt with the candida too (combo of diflucan and supplements), also got rid of the toxins in the home, my temps normalized, my blood pressure normalized, and I started feeling better too. _ Mortgage refinance is hot 1) Rates near 30-yr lows 2) Good credit get intro-rate 4.625%* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=10035url=%2fst.jsptm=ysearch=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5fs=4056p=5117disc=yvers=743 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid
Ruth, I have taken between 0 and a quart a day of CS since I started using it at least 4 years ago. I have never once had a herx reaction. Some people may get a herx from starting with too much, but I have never had one so I freely dose by symptoms or no symptoms. If I have had little or no CS for days and then eat something that gives me the gallops, I have no qualms about drinking 4 - 8 ounces right down. It stops the food borne bacteria/runs nearly immediately. I don't know if I am unusual in never getting a herx? Anybody know? sol ruth strackbein wrote: I have been wondering the same thing. I have a Silvergen now and am taking 1 tblsp a day. That is up from a tsp a day to start with. Didn't want to get a herx reaction. Will have to look back in my files about EIS and mold. Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid-mold
I am taking it for that, on the advice of a friend. I have stopped the diflucan (I had to take it for a year and a half, and my dr still thinks I am on it, but I switched to EIS that I make at home. My friend said it is easier on the gut, and my digestion should improve even more). Any indoor mold will send me into a tailspin. My sinuses also get re-infected, but the EIS works wonders for that. Re-infection is a BIG DEAL in this kind of illness. Outdoor mold of the wrong kind will also do it. The treatment of a fungal infection requires understanding of the biology of fungi. It will take a year or more to spread it's mycelium, or root like growth, into the host material. After it has developed a critical mass, it will start reproducing, putting out mushrooms. Some people have actually washed little black mushrooms out of their noses! The anitfungals works by killing it off at the mycelial stage, but it does not affect the spores or fruit, so it takes a long time to kill it off. The goal, in my drs opinion, is to keep down to a mild roar so the symptoms are not too bad. It is very difficult to kill off entirely. However, that is my goal. He keeps patients on a very low dose of diflucan for years. On Mar 24, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Dee wrote: Shouldn't EIS combat the mold problem? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Clayton Family Date: 03/24/07 06:24:04 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid I finally had to chime in here. I had a similar symptomology that looked for all the world like hypothyroid, but was not. My thyroid numbers were always fine. It turned out to be a toxicity problem combined with big mold problems. Not digesting anything I ate, it got weird, and severe. My temp used to be very low. When I got the fungal infections addressed, and dealt with the candida too (combo of diflucan and supplements), also got rid of the toxins in the home, my temps normalized, my blood pressure normalized, and I started feeling better too. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid
You are most welcome. I would worry less about the radon, since if you are affected by the mold, it could kill you. It almost got me. It is far more likely to be your problem, in my opinion. Rowena's post on mold is a very good one, full of good info. I also have a ton of links, for dealing with the problem. The New York document on mold is a very good one. It is a great starting place. The most important thing to understand is that there are very few people who even recognise the problem, and few who can treat it. However, there are many good protocols on the internet, and many natural remedies that can work well, even if you can't get a drs prescription. On Mar 24, 2007, at 9:07 AM, ruth strackbein wrote: Thanks, Kathryn. My house does have a mold problem. Actually, I doubt that it is altogether curable, the house, that is. There is apparently an odor, also, so my grandchldren tell me. I don';t notice it, but have lived here since 1988 so have probably got used to it, though I don't remember ever noticing it, but I don't remember alot of things. I am currently researching a site called www.doctorsresearch.com about vitamins, especially natural vitamin c . I really don't think removing my large colon is going to solve all my problems and my doctors doubt that, too since the pain is right sided with sharp pain under right center ribcage and more of a burning down in the ileo region. Both extend along the right side of my abdomen with none on the left side, for the most part. I am not sure what to do about the house. Can' t spend alot as I am low income level. The answer may be to move into an apartment. I am wondering about even that since this whole area is prone to dampness and mold. The last radon reading I had was slightly high. Since then I have had a beaver system put in which has elilminated at least gross moisture in the basement. Cement walls and floor have been dry since then. I also haad cracks in the walls sealed. have not had a radon count since then. Probably should do that. However, the original carpets are still in the house. Thanks again for your reply. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:23:20 -0600 I finally had to chime in here. I had a similar symptomology that looked for all the world like hypothyroid, but was not. My thyroid numbers were always fine. It turned out to be a toxicity problem combined with big mold problems. Not digesting anything I ate, it got weird, and severe. My temp used to be very low. When I got the fungal infections addressed, and dealt with the candida too (combo of diflucan and supplements), also got rid of the toxins in the home, my temps normalized, my blood pressure normalized, and I started feeling better too. The digestion problems can be caused by fungal overgrowth either by candida or maybe by aspergilllus or another fungus. There have been several bad ones found in the gut of sick individuals, so it is hard to say which it might be. But a good antifungal will kill them all, so it is not important which species. What is important is rebuilding the natural flora of the gut and supplementing with some vitamins to correct the likely deficiencies that will have occured due to the lack of good digestion. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents Kathryn On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:45 AM, ruth strackbein wrote: I'm not sure, am getting some advice from several people, especiallty about low thyroid. Am in process of trying to remember 3 days in a row to take my temperature before getting out of bed. Either I forget altogether, or have to go to the bathroom so badly that that takes precedent. And sometimes I just give up for awhile. I did take it this morning. 97.3 which I suspect is a lilttle low, but it has been like that any time of day like at the doctor's for years and he always says it is good. Thanks, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: vwol...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:35:00 EDT Dear Ruth...while it sounds as though you have a Dr. with some smarts...a total large bowel removal sounds very drastic. Is there something that the very wise and knowledgable people here can help you with? Anyone? V In a message dated 3/22/2007 5:44:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com writes: Hi, My cholesterol also runs around 200-220 and has for quite a few years, at least since I've been tested. Fortunately my Doctor does not buy into the cholesterol humbug, so I have not been put on drugs. Of course, part of the reason for this, I'm sure, is that my digestive tract problems
Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol/ Dr. Huggins/thyroid
I am extremely sensitive- I have a small reaction from taking it- due to the mold damage and extreme sensitivity. So, I get a reaction when I take too much. I started with one dropperful of 10 ppm, once a day, then increased it when I felt like it, every few days or week or so. Now I am up to maybe 2 1/2 teaspoons a day. When I was first looking this up, I found one MD who is using it for his asthma patients and others too, and he said to start small and go up from there (not to me, it was in an article). But my reaction to that was nothing compared to the herks from taking the diflucan- that put me in bed for 3 weeks, even at the tiny dose I was taking, one pill 2 times a week. I had a major infection that was killing me. Everyone told me there is no way out of it- when you are infected by mold, you have to bite the bullet and then deal with the reactions as best you can. Having a detox protocol is very important. I am also interested to hear what others may have to say about silver and mold, since the mold has been such a major problem in my life. Kathryn On Mar 24, 2007, at 11:26 AM, sol wrote: Ruth, I have taken between 0 and a quart a day of CS since I started using it at least 4 years ago. I have never once had a herx reaction. Some people may get a herx from starting with too much, but I have never had one so I freely dose by symptoms or no symptoms. If I have had little or no CS for days and then eat something that gives me the gallops, I have no qualms about drinking 4 - 8 ounces right down. It stops the food borne bacteria/runs nearly immediately. I don't know if I am unusual in never getting a herx? Anybody know? sol ruth strackbein wrote: I have been wondering the same thing. I have a Silvergen now and am taking 1 tblsp a day. That is up from a tsp a day to start with. Didn't want to get a herx reaction. Will have to look back in my files about EIS and mold. Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
