Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Paula, Some people seem to have a green thumb. Maybe you have a yellow thumb. Dan Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis From: sol (view other messages by this author) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:33:33 No northern lights visible here, in the corner of southwest wyoming.maybe up in Jackson or Yellowstone, 4 to 7 hours drive from here. Ozone, huh? Could ozone account for the fact that if I let the distiller bring the water to a boil, and then let it boil uncovered 3 to 5 minutes before sealing it, the distilled water comes out with much higher uS reading? Ole Bob suggested I try that method to improve my DW, but it made it worse, which I confirmed with at least 3 trials. Both Ole Bob and my husband say that it is impossible, but that is what happens. There is sulphur in the air here, but I've been watching sterling silver tarnish, and it doesn't seem to me to be excessively fast.some so-called people (I prefer to call them brainless idiots) do drive to Bridger Coal and get free coal from their rejected heap (VERY high sulphur, very poor quality coal) and burn it in their wood-burning stovesothers seem to be burning old tires and any garbage they collectwhen the wind doesn't blow the smoke builds up like fog, and I have a lot of trouble breathing. And it is really stupid because we have some of the cheapest natural gas and electricity in the country, and the cheap ba*s still gotta suffocate me. Still, that is winter, and my CS goes yellow in summer also, when wood stoves and fireplaces aren't burning. paula -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Now, there's a scary thought! paula - Original Message - From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com Some people seem to have a green thumb. Maybe you have a yellow thumb. Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
I'll give it a try. Actually I don't think I have ever seen a cloud of any kind since I started using the silverpuppy. -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:03 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis Run it for a while without the heat source to get a good white cloud going, then turn it on and watch. Without using silver? Put something in the water that has a near neutral to slightly negative bouyancy. A small piece of paper well soaked? Ode At 12:41 AM 12/2/2003 -0600, you wrote: What do you use to observe the stirring? I mean, do you put a glass on the heat source and add something to the water so you could see the stirring effect? I have actually seen the effect with flakes of silver in the water when I didnt wipe the electrodes and let it run for about 3 hours. Looked neat. I just wondered what method you used to observe cause I get asked how I know its working all the time and I would like to show those who inquire without having to use silver. Jeff -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 8:08 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis Yes With a hot spot in the center bottom, heat rises fast in the center as it is shed along the outside perifery which makes the cooler liquid sink, further reinforcing the central updraft. Going the other way with liquid cooling [vs heating], you get pretty much the same central updraft as the cool liquid on the outside edges sinks, forcing warmer liquid up through the center and back around to the outside top. Preheating and allowing to cool works pretty well for stirring, but tends to peter out as the container gets cool too fast. Both directions ..hot to cool or cool to hot..give the same thermal torrid in the same direction. So, if it seems that heat is gaining too much, Let it cool and you still get a thermal stir effect. It's not heat itself that does the job, it's the thermal differential, or difference in heat. Which also means that a cool room adds to the effect. Ode At 11:25 AM 11/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: It makes sense that a glass lid on top of a thermally mixed vessel would produce a better CS. In a cylindrical vessel heated at its lower end, the steady-state convection will be an updraft vertically along the center axial region, and a downdraft along the periphery of the cylinder except for cooling losses at the top surface. A glass lid will diminish the latter loss, thereby increasing the convection down the inside periphery of the vessel. The result is more stirring without additional heating. Best wishes, Matthew -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Run it for a while without the heat source to get a good white cloud going, then turn it on and watch. Without using silver? Put something in the water that has a near neutral to slightly negative bouyancy. A small piece of paper well soaked? Ode At 12:41 AM 12/2/2003 -0600, you wrote: What do you use to observe the stirring? I mean, do you put a glass on the heat source and add something to the water so you could see the stirring effect? I have actually seen the effect with flakes of silver in the water when I didnt wipe the electrodes and let it run for about 3 hours. Looked neat. I just wondered what method you used to observe cause I get asked how I know its working all the time and I would like to show those who inquire without having to use silver. Jeff -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 8:08 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Why the yellow CS - an hypothesis Yes With a hot spot in the center bottom, heat rises fast in the center as it is shed along the outside perifery which makes the cooler liquid sink, further reinforcing the central updraft. Going the other way with liquid cooling [vs heating], you get pretty much the same central updraft as the cool liquid on the outside edges sinks, forcing warmer liquid up through the center and back around to the outside top. Preheating and allowing to cool works pretty well for stirring, but tends to peter out as the container gets cool too fast. Both directions ..hot to cool or cool to hot..give the same thermal torrid in the same direction. So, if it seems that heat is gaining too much, Let it cool and you still get a thermal stir effect. It's not heat itself that does the job, it's the thermal differential, or difference in heat. Which also means that a cool room adds to the effect. Ode At 11:25 AM 11/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: It makes sense that a glass lid on top of a thermally mixed vessel would produce a better CS. In a cylindrical vessel heated at its lower end, the steady-state convection will be an updraft vertically along the center axial region, and a downdraft along the periphery of the cylinder except for cooling losses at the top surface. A glass lid will diminish the latter loss, thereby increasing the convection down the inside periphery of the vessel. The result is more stirring without additional heating. Best wishes, Matthew -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
I'd use PETE plastic, like soda bottles if glass can't be used. Ode At 06:30 PM 11/30/2003 EST, you wrote: Would it put it be correct to say that ionic silver can react with plastic containers? I've been using HDPE plastic bottles from specialtybottle.com to store the cs from my Silver Puppy gen. and sometimes I can taste the plastic. I wonder if I'm ingesting silver reacting with plastic in some way? Thanks Steve -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
HDPE should have not taste, it should not be solubile at all. For some unknown reason, some bottle manufacturers want to add plastercizer to HDPE, which is totally unnecessary, since HDPE is almost waxlike to start with. If this is the case, you can easily get the plasticizer out of the bottle by baking the bottle in an overn at 150 F for 24 hours. If you do that, then any plastic taste should be gone if you use it later for CS. Marshall esl...@aol.com wrote: Would it put it be correct to say that ionic silver can react with plastic containers? I've been using HDPE plastic bottles from specialtybottle.com to store the cs from my Silver Puppy gen. and sometimes I can taste the plastic. I wonder if I'm ingesting silver reacting with plastic in some way? Thanks Steve
RE: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
What do you use to observe the stirring? I mean, do you put a glass on the heat source and add something to the water so you could see the stirring effect? I have actually seen the effect with flakes of silver in the water when I didn't wipe the electrodes and let it run for about 3 hours. Looked neat. I just wondered what method you used to observe cause I get asked how I know it's working all the time and I would like to show those who inquire without having to use silver. Jeff -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 8:08 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis Yes With a hot spot in the center bottom, heat rises fast in the center as it is shed along the outside perifery which makes the cooler liquid sink, further reinforcing the central updraft. Going the other way with liquid cooling [vs heating], you get pretty much the same central updraft as the cool liquid on the outside edges sinks, forcing warmer liquid up through the center and back around to the outside top. Preheating and allowing to cool works pretty well for stirring, but tends to peter out as the container gets cool too fast. Both directions ..hot to cool or cool to hot..give the same thermal torrid in the same direction. So, if it seems that heat is gaining too much, Let it cool and you still get a thermal stir effect. It's not heat itself that does the job, it's the thermal differential, or difference in heat. Which also means that a cool room adds to the effect. Ode At 11:25 AM 11/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: It makes sense that a glass lid on top of a thermally mixed vessel would produce a better CS. In a cylindrical vessel heated at its lower end, the steady-state convection will be an updraft vertically along the center axial region, and a downdraft along the periphery of the cylinder except for cooling losses at the top surface. A glass lid will diminish the latter loss, thereby increasing the convection down the inside periphery of the vessel. The result is more stirring without additional heating. Best wishes, Matthew -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Yes With a hot spot in the center bottom, heat rises fast in the center as it is shed along the outside perifery which makes the cooler liquid sink, further reinforcing the central updraft. Going the other way with liquid cooling [vs heating], you get pretty much the same central updraft as the cool liquid on the outside edges sinks, forcing warmer liquid up through the center and back around to the outside top. Preheating and allowing to cool works pretty well for stirring, but tends to peter out as the container gets cool too fast. Both directions ..hot to cool or cool to hot..give the same thermal torrid in the same direction. So, if it seems that heat is gaining too much, Let it cool and you still get a thermal stir effect. It's not heat itself that does the job, it's the thermal differential, or difference in heat. Which also means that a cool room adds to the effect. Ode At 11:25 AM 11/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: It makes sense that a glass lid on top of a thermally mixed vessel would produce a better CS. In a cylindrical vessel heated at its lower end, the steady-state convection will be an updraft vertically along the center axial region, and a downdraft along the periphery of the cylinder except for cooling losses at the top surface. A glass lid will diminish the latter loss, thereby increasing the convection down the inside periphery of the vessel. The result is more stirring without additional heating. Best wishes, Matthew -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Direct stirring from the top makes a tornado effect that may not reach the bottom in tall containers unless the water speed is excessive. A long slow moving stir stick would be a good thing. If water moves too fast past the electrodes, a fuzzy grey deposit will grow on an electrode by particle collision with hydrogen bubbes forming there as water pressure sticks the bubble to the electrode. Particles get stuck on the surface tension of the bubbles and form a crust structure. That crust structure is a semiconductor that emits even more bubbles that collect more particles...and so it grows and grows into the direction of the water flow. Being a semiconductor, that structure will also upset any calibration the generator may have. But being grown on hydrogen bubbles that aren't all that stable without water pressure increasing surface tension, if left alone with power off, will begin to emit a white particle cloud exactly like the electrodes would have. If you are using mechanical stirring and get a grey fluffy deposit, slow the stir rate down. Ode At 12:10 PM 11/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hi, Vince! The mixing method given by Ole Bob produces by itself in steady state in a cylindrical vessel a pattern of flowlines that are horizontal and tangential. A combination of the vertical-axial convection of thermal stirring with the horizontal-tangential shearing of Ole Bob is has a wonderful balance to it, or so it would seem to me. Thank you for carrying out actual experimentation that confirms it. Best regards, Matthew -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Yes it would...and keep heat gain in check. Simpler, preheat the water to raise the initial conductivity of the water to shorten run time. Use the heater to keep conductivity up for the first half or 3/4 of the expected time, then switch it off for the remainder and use thermal downdraft stirring. Testing conductivity rise with added heat shows about +1 uS per 10 degrees. This could be used to a great advantage at the start right when Brownian particle collisions are the least likely and reduce agglomeration from energetic particle collision right when it's most likely. If there is some sort of other energy such as microwave or radio tower transmissions adding to the Brownian sort that's making particles collide harder at lower temperatures [so to speak]...doing that could make the difference. However, I believe you mentioned that you get the same problem with the mechanical stir setup? Humm.. run a batch inside a cooler with some ice in it? [Maybe even a grounded metal clad cooler to make a sort of Faraday cage?] Remember the old insulated milk boxes back in the days of the milk man? Ode At 10:46 AM 11/29/2003 -0700, you wrote: oops, meant to reply to the message about covering the brew container while making CS...I have never made CS in an open container. So that can't be the problem. Maybe keeping the batch cool, but I wouldn't know how to do that...my silverpuppy is the Thermal 2 model, maybe I could wrap an ice pack around the brew jar? How would that affect the thermal stir effect? paula - Original Message - and cause bigger particles if I let it. Seems covering while brewing and keeping the batch cool is worth a try to reduce the yellow. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Silver... or anything in its ionic state is EXTREMLY reactive. If you have dissolved sulpher compounds in the water, I'd expect near instant tarnish. Power plants work year round. Windows are usually closed in the winter, so, it might all average out. Rather than boiling with distiller open...discard the first half of the water? Oh, and see if there's some setting that runs short of boiling. Very hot water helps dissolve things better. ode At 10:56 AM 11/29/2003 -0700, you wrote: No northern lights visible here, in the corner of southwest wyoming.maybe up in Jackson or Yellowstone, 4 to 7 hours drive from here. Ozone, huh? Could ozone account for the fact that if I let the distiller bring the water to a boil, and then let it boil uncovered 3 to 5 minutes before sealing it, the distilled water comes out with much higher uS reading? Ole Bob suggested I try that method to improve my DW, but it made it worse, which I confirmed with at least 3 trials. Both Ole Bob and my husband say that it is impossible, but that is what happens. There is sulphur in the air here, but I've been watching sterling silver tarnish, and it doesn't seem to me to be excessively fast.some so-called people (I prefer to call them brainless idiots) do drive to Bridger Coal and get free coal from their rejected heap (VERY high sulphur, very poor quality coal) and burn it in their wood-burning stovesothers seem to be burning old tires and any garbage they collectwhen the wind doesn't blow the smoke builds up like fog, and I have a lot of trouble breathing. And it is really stupid because we have some of the cheapest natural gas and electricity in the country, and the cheap ba*s still gotta suffocate me. Still, that is winter, and my CS goes yellow in summer also, when wood stoves and fireplaces aren't burning. paula - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net If I recall, Wyoming is the home of the high plateau and northern lights...and also produces high sulpher coal and oil which is burned there to make power. Ozone is made when electromagnetic radiation hits the air. Sulpher will tarnish silver pretty quick. How much does it take? What happens when there is sulpher in the air as ozone is being made? How do distillers get ozone? How readily does atmospheric ozone , with or without a sulpher componant, dissolve into water? I don't know the answers. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Makes sense to me. On my process, the heat has never exceeded about 98 deg. The bigger the container, the longer the run but , the more head shed from the larger surface area. However, preheating will get things going sooner and using thermal cooling for convection toward the end may yeild positive results where excessive heat may do some harm. In some cases excessive may be a matter of relativity. Ode At 10:06 AM 11/26/2003 -0600, you wrote: Ode reminded me of a recent discovery that covering my brew container while I'm making my CS gave me better results: less TE and clearer CS for the same PWT readings in the finished batch. I have a glass container and put the glass lid on it while brewing. The silver wires and the stirrer mounts hang over the side and the lid sits on top of the whole thing. Another thing that helped improve the batch was turning the power off if the batch got warm to the touch and letting it cool. I use a fan pointed at the container during brewing too. I brew 2 gallons at about 8 hours per batch (15,000V 30ma) so heat can really build up and cause bigger particles if I let it. Seems covering while brewing and keeping the batch cool is worth a try to reduce the yellow. Ode wrote: If I recall, Wyoming is the home of the high plateau and northern lights...and also produces high sulpher coal and oil which is burned there to make power. Ozone is made when electromagnetic radiation hits the air. Sulpher will tarnish silver pretty quick. How much does it take? What happens when there is sulpher in the air as ozone is being made? How do distillers get ozone? How readily does atmospheric ozone , with or without a sulpher componant, dissolve into water? I don't know the answers. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
It makes sense that a glass lid on top of a thermally mixed vessel would produce a better CS. In a cylindrical vessel heated at its lower end, the steady-state convection will be an updraft vertically along the center axial region, and a downdraft along the periphery of the cylinder except for cooling losses at the top surface. A glass lid will diminish the latter loss, thereby increasing the convection down the inside periphery of the vessel. The result is more stirring without additional heating. Best wishes, Matthew
RE: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
That sounds like what is happening, except I use a small battery powered (thanks, Ole' Bob) mechanical stirrer. The vapor definitely condenses on the lid, and then drips down all along the inside edge of the vessel giving me more stirring - mixing downward at the outer perimeter of the cylindrical vessel and upward where the brew is heating up in the middle from the power drop across the water in between the electrodes. My electrodes are normally near the center of the vessel. I was glad to stumble onto this improvement, because it jumped up the quality of my CS just by putting a lid on the two gallon brew vessel. Thanks, Vince -Original Message- From: Matthew McCann PE [mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:26 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis It makes sense that a glass lid on top of a thermally mixed vessel would produce a better CS. In a cylindrical vessel heated at its lower end, the steady-state convection will be an updraft vertically along the center axial region, and a downdraft along the periphery of the cylinder except for cooling losses at the top surface. A glass lid will diminish the latter loss, thereby increasing the convection down the inside periphery of the vessel. The result is more stirring without additional heating. Best wishes, Matthew
CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Hi, Vince! The mixing method given by Ole Bob produces by itself in steady state in a cylindrical vessel a pattern of flowlines that are horizontal and tangential. A combination of the vertical-axial convection of thermal stirring with the horizontal-tangential shearing of Ole Bob is has a wonderful balance to it, or so it would seem to me. Thank you for carrying out actual experimentation that confirms it. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
oops, meant to reply to the message about covering the brew container while making CS...I have never made CS in an open container. So that can't be the problem. Maybe keeping the batch cool, but I wouldn't know how to do that...my silverpuppy is the Thermal 2 model, maybe I could wrap an ice pack around the brew jar? How would that affect the thermal stir effect? paula - Original Message - and cause bigger particles if I let it. Seems covering while brewing and keeping the batch cool is worth a try to reduce the yellow. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
No northern lights visible here, in the corner of southwest wyoming.maybe up in Jackson or Yellowstone, 4 to 7 hours drive from here. Ozone, huh? Could ozone account for the fact that if I let the distiller bring the water to a boil, and then let it boil uncovered 3 to 5 minutes before sealing it, the distilled water comes out with much higher uS reading? Ole Bob suggested I try that method to improve my DW, but it made it worse, which I confirmed with at least 3 trials. Both Ole Bob and my husband say that it is impossible, but that is what happens. There is sulphur in the air here, but I've been watching sterling silver tarnish, and it doesn't seem to me to be excessively fast.some so-called people (I prefer to call them brainless idiots) do drive to Bridger Coal and get free coal from their rejected heap (VERY high sulphur, very poor quality coal) and burn it in their wood-burning stovesothers seem to be burning old tires and any garbage they collectwhen the wind doesn't blow the smoke builds up like fog, and I have a lot of trouble breathing. And it is really stupid because we have some of the cheapest natural gas and electricity in the country, and the cheap ba*s still gotta suffocate me. Still, that is winter, and my CS goes yellow in summer also, when wood stoves and fireplaces aren't burning. paula - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net If I recall, Wyoming is the home of the high plateau and northern lights...and also produces high sulpher coal and oil which is burned there to make power. Ozone is made when electromagnetic radiation hits the air. Sulpher will tarnish silver pretty quick. How much does it take? What happens when there is sulpher in the air as ozone is being made? How do distillers get ozone? How readily does atmospheric ozone , with or without a sulpher componant, dissolve into water? I don't know the answers. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Hi, Sol! Surrounding the vessel with ice water will give a more uniform and reproducible effect, with no loss of thermal gradient. Just add more ice in case it all melts. It seems to me you will get more convection at a lower temperature with the same amount of heat. Or, heating could be increased without increasing the temperature. (heat and temperature are not the same thing.) I will hazard a guess and say that the quality of the CS will go up. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Thanks, I will try it, and post results. paula - Original Message - From: Matthew McCann PE Surrounding the vessel with ice water will give a more uniform and reproducible effect, with no loss of thermal gradient. Just add more ice in case it all melts.
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Using my cheap high-volume colloidal silver maker, I've never turned out a yellow batch; it's very strong, 35 PPM (Robert Berger) using distilled water and a 1.5 minute per quart brew time, more potent using RO, and has very little Tyndall. Yellow CS in my view can't be due to a thermal effect because my batch is made with quite a lot of power and current, as it makes the liquid warm from room temperatre even in 1.5 minutes. The cheap CS maker article is here: http://zeek.ca/4u/article.php?op=Printsid=111 Duncan Crow -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Thank you for sharing the journey with us, Lynda. Peace. Mike D. this has nothing to do with this email, just wanted to thank all of the people on the list that wrote me and helped with info for my sister who had lung cancer, she has recently died, but she lived almost 3 years and she was giving 4 to 6 weeks when they first found the lung cancer, not sure if she died from the brain cancer that she got in May , she fell and had a very bad bang and they thought she might have had a brain bleed, but seeing she had the cancer they did not treat her, again thanks so very much, she was loved and will be missed by the entire family and we are grateful for the extra time we had with her Lynda [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
The best water I've found meters out at .8 uS. The worst I'll use is 4.5 uS I have yet to make a yellow batch with a series 2 even taking it to 47 uS with a TE heavy enough to walk on. I did make a very yellow batch using a gen modified to put out 14 microamps to check out Mike Monets ultra low current thing. I ran it for 20 hours without stirring to get a meter reading of 30 uS and it turned deep yellow overnight. Another batch run for 10 hours didn't. [forget the meter reading..I'll find the notes someday] In the distant past using an old model, no stirring of any kind, running at .7 ma on 3x 2 exposure of the electrodes, I made a yellow batch with a particular jug of water. I let the water vent for a couple of days and tried again..and again, and no yellow. A lot of bubbles formed on the side of the water jug. I think it was dissolved ozone. Most, if not all commercially distilled water is ozonated. I only had a problem with THAT jug. It was probably over ozonated and very fresh from the distiller. Throw highly active ozone [O3] into a field of highly active silver ions and I'd expect to see some oxidation..which lead me to believe that there was a sort of crystal structure that incorporated an oxide molecule on which other ions would attach and form larger particles. I don't know if that's correct, but the fact that H2O2 both dissolves the color and cleans the oxide off electrodes 'seems' to confirm the idea. There is a type of CS out there that claims to be low ionic and small particle. It is a deep brown in color. [silver oxides???] I suspect they have bubbled ozone through the water, but, of course, it's a big secret and I have no idea if that's a fact. Running the old models at .8 and .9 ma, [which also makes the gen shut down at a higher conductivity] I could sometimes make CS that went a pale yellow over night but even then it was an exception rather than a rule. Using that same generator with room temperature water resulted in CS going pale yellow overnight, more often than if I preheated the water and let it cool as the batch was being run. [The first inkling of thermal convection stirring] Running it on a coffee maker hot plate gave me immediate yellow every time. [too hot] Running the batch at a lower temperature didn't. Some samples back then left here clear and showed up at Ole Bobs place a pale yellow. Could fast temp and pressure changes plus a few hours of steady airplane vibration have an effect? Radiation in an airplane is much much higher at high altitude than it is at sea level...even approaching dangerous levels. I dunno. If I recall, Wyoming is the home of the high plateau and northern lights...and also produces high sulpher coal and oil which is burned there to make power. Ozone is made when electromagnetic radiation hits the air. Sulpher will tarnish silver pretty quick. How much does it take? What happens when there is sulpher in the air as ozone is being made? How do distillers get ozone? How readily does atmospheric ozone , with or without a sulpher componant, dissolve into water? I don't know the answers. Ode At 03:37 PM 11/25/2003 -0600, you wrote: I can't seem to make anything but yellow CS. Rather, I don't make it, it turns yellow in a coupla days, no matter where I store it. The water I'm using measures around .2 (2/10ths) uS using my Hanna pwt before production. I measure my finished batches at around 15-17 uS. (auto-shutoff w/ Silverpuppy) I think Ode says he can't make yellow CS. Now compare: If Ode and the rest of u that don't know how to make yellow CS are STARTING with water that measures 3 or 4 uS, look at the quantitative difference of the finished product. U do the math. (Pipe right in here, guys, if u know what ur starting with and what the finished product looks like.) Remember, most units shut off when a given conductivity is reached. It knows nothing about how much of the water is CS and how much is another conductor. In comparison, I'm making rocket fuel because the amount of SILVER product is much higher in mine than in the example immediately above. Hence, the agglomeration, hence the yellow product. Ok. What have I missed? I know a number of solutions. Let's here urs. Don't bother w/ the obvious about getting dirtier DW. stuff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
Ode reminded me of a recent discovery that covering my brew container while I'm making my CS gave me better results: less TE and clearer CS for the same PWT readings in the finished batch. I have a glass container and put the glass lid on it while brewing. The silver wires and the stirrer mounts hang over the side and the lid sits on top of the whole thing. Another thing that helped improve the batch was turning the power off if the batch got warm to the touch and letting it cool. I use a fan pointed at the container during brewing too. I brew 2 gallons at about 8 hours per batch (15,000V 30ma) so heat can really build up and cause bigger particles if I let it. Seems covering while brewing and keeping the batch cool is worth a try to reduce the yellow. Ode wrote: If I recall, Wyoming is the home of the high plateau and northern lights...and also produces high sulpher coal and oil which is burned there to make power. Ozone is made when electromagnetic radiation hits the air. Sulpher will tarnish silver pretty quick. How much does it take? What happens when there is sulpher in the air as ozone is being made? How do distillers get ozone? How readily does atmospheric ozone , with or without a sulpher componant, dissolve into water? I don't know the answers. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis
I can't seem to make anything but yellow CS. Rather, I don't make it, it turns yellow in a coupla days, no matter where I store it. The water I'm using measures around .2 (2/10ths) uS using my Hanna pwt before production. I measure my finished batches at around 15-17 uS. (auto-shutoff w/ Silverpuppy) I think Ode says he can't make yellow CS. Now compare: If Ode and the rest of u that don't know how to make yellow CS are STARTING with water that measures 3 or 4 uS, look at the quantitative difference of the finished product. U do the math. (Pipe right in here, guys, if u know what ur starting with and what the finished product looks like.) Remember, most units shut off when a given conductivity is reached. It knows nothing about how much of the water is CS and how much is another conductor. In comparison, I'm making rocket fuel because the amount of SILVER product is much higher in mine than in the example immediately above. Hence, the agglomeration, hence the yellow product. Ok. What have I missed? I know a number of solutions. Let's here urs. Don't bother w/ the obvious about getting dirtier DW. stuff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
