Re: CSbody chemistry, mineral imbalances, was Re: CSbest vitamin c
That is fascinating. I will try to find some phosphorus supplement, meantime, what about simply adding more high phos foods to the diet? There don't seem to be a huge number of foods with high phosphorus and low calcium, but oats are one. I'm going to check the nutrient database for others. And I'm going to take a look at my blood test results. thanks! sol starshar wrote: I earned my Certificate in Nutrition for the most part by learning/studying the works of Melvin Page, DDS. (I think the Weston Price site may have info on Page, also the Price Pottenger site). Page taught that the ideal blood levels of CA and P (phosphorus) are 10 and 4.5. It is the ratio, however, that is the most important factor, he said. CA should always be 2 and a half times the P. For a long time, I'd check the routine blood work my doc ordered and I'd make adjustments to my supplements based on this ratio. About 10 yrs ago my blood work came back absent the P. I asked my doc what happened and was told that the insurance companies decided to go by the Medicare guidelines and Medicare had decided that P was irrelevant! (stifling rant) Now when I walk out of doc's office with lab slip in hand, I just check off Phosphorus before I go to the lab. I did ask my doc if this would be okjust in case the PTB would throw me in jail or something. G. It was P that got me over a horrible fibromyalgia attack back in the late 90s. I don't remember now if I had a current lab report when I took the P. What I have discovered is that when my P gets low or out of ratio to CA, my teeth will start staining. This could be just an overly alkaline condition systemically, but P is an acid mineral and it always works for me. At that time my neck was so tight that I had pain from the trapezius all the way up the side of my head, and I was immobilized---couldn't drive or even sleep anywhere but a reclining chair. Then I noticed my darkening teeth. P cured me of that bout in a few weeks. It's not easy to find phosphorus. Any practitioner that carries Standard Process products could provide their Phosfood. A websearch for orthophosphoric acid should produce at least one source. After reading what I just wrote, I realized that it sounds so pat. NOT. Metabolic balancing is a subject that continues to drive me crazy! FWIW, Sharon From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:42 PM Body chemistry is further confused by the fact that the body has a set point for blood levels of calcium, and if you don't get enough or what you take in is not properly utilized the body will remove calcium from the bones to maintain the blood levels. So I believe that blood levels of calcium and other minerals are not a very good indicator of what is really going on, or what the state of calcium in the body really is. Blood levels are therefore not totally reliable, but a poor tool is better than none, maybe. I myelf have been going by The Metabolic Typing Diet, which gives examples of different metabolic types needing different supplementation or diets that sometimes contradicts the blood results. There really is no one size fits all way to deal with mineral imbalances, or even vitamin deficiencies according to that book. sol M. G. Devour wrote: Sol wrote: Without a proper calcium/phosphorus ratio, mammals can't properly use calcium. The conventional wisdom seems to be that humans get plenty of phosphorus and don't need to worry about it, but I wonder if that is really true. Right now my phosphorus levels are low, both absolutely and relative to calcium. The problem I'm overcoming is apparently calcium overload. I'm supplementing with bioavailable calcium and avoiding all inorganic sources. As I'm slowly getting rid of the precipitated calcium, the phosphorus levels are supposed to rise. It's not easy to bring up phosphorus levels. It's supposed to take months. Body chemistry is not simple. sigh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The one important thing I have learned over the years is the difference between taking one's work seriously and taking one's self seriously. The first is imperative and the second is disastrous. -Margot Fonteyn
CSbody chemistry, mineral imbalances, was Re: CSbest vitamin c
Body chemistry is further confused by the fact that the body has a set point for blood levels of calcium, and if you don't get enough or what you take in is not properly utilized the body will remove calcium from the bones to maintain the blood levels. So I believe that blood levels of calcium and other minerals are not a very good indicator of what is really going on, or what the state of calcium in the body really is. Blood levels are therefore not totally reliable, but a poor tool is better than none, maybe. I myelf have been going by The Metabolic Typing Diet, which gives examples of different metabolic types needing different supplementation or diets that sometimes contradicts the blood results. There really is no one size fits all way to deal with mineral imbalances, or even vitamin deficiencies according to that book. sol M. G. Devour wrote: Sol wrote: Without a proper calcium/phosphorus ratio, mammals can't properly use calcium. The conventional wisdom seems to be that humans get plenty of phosphorus and don't need to worry about it, but I wonder if that is really true. Right now my phosphorus levels are low, both absolutely and relative to calcium. The problem I'm overcoming is apparently calcium overload. I'm supplementing with bioavailable calcium and avoiding all inorganic sources. As I'm slowly getting rid of the precipitated calcium, the phosphorus levels are supposed to rise. It's not easy to bring up phosphorus levels. It's supposed to take months. Body chemistry is not simple. sigh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbody chemistry, mineral imbalances, was Re: CSbest vitamin c
I earned my Certificate in Nutrition for the most part by learning/studying the works of Melvin Page, DDS. (I think the Weston Price site may have info on Page, also the Price Pottenger site). Page taught that the ideal blood levels of CA and P (phosphorus) are 10 and 4.5. It is the ratio, however, that is the most important factor, he said. CA should always be 2 and a half times the P. For a long time, I'd check the routine blood work my doc ordered and I'd make adjustments to my supplements based on this ratio. About 10 yrs ago my blood work came back absent the P. I asked my doc what happened and was told that the insurance companies decided to go by the Medicare guidelines and Medicare had decided that P was irrelevant! (stifling rant) Now when I walk out of doc's office with lab slip in hand, I just check off Phosphorus before I go to the lab. I did ask my doc if this would be okjust in case the PTB would throw me in jail or something. G. It was P that got me over a horrible fibromyalgia attack back in the late 90s. I don't remember now if I had a current lab report when I took the P. What I have discovered is that when my P gets low or out of ratio to CA, my teeth will start staining. This could be just an overly alkaline condition systemically, but P is an acid mineral and it always works for me. At that time my neck was so tight that I had pain from the trapezius all the way up the side of my head, and I was immobilized---couldn't drive or even sleep anywhere but a reclining chair. Then I noticed my darkening teeth. P cured me of that bout in a few weeks. It's not easy to find phosphorus. Any practitioner that carries Standard Process products could provide their Phosfood. A websearch for orthophosphoric acid should produce at least one source. After reading what I just wrote, I realized that it sounds so pat. NOT. Metabolic balancing is a subject that continues to drive me crazy! FWIW, Sharon From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:42 PM Body chemistry is further confused by the fact that the body has a set point for blood levels of calcium, and if you don't get enough or what you take in is not properly utilized the body will remove calcium from the bones to maintain the blood levels. So I believe that blood levels of calcium and other minerals are not a very good indicator of what is really going on, or what the state of calcium in the body really is. Blood levels are therefore not totally reliable, but a poor tool is better than none, maybe. I myelf have been going by The Metabolic Typing Diet, which gives examples of different metabolic types needing different supplementation or diets that sometimes contradicts the blood results. There really is no one size fits all way to deal with mineral imbalances, or even vitamin deficiencies according to that book. sol M. G. Devour wrote: Sol wrote: Without a proper calcium/phosphorus ratio, mammals can't properly use calcium. The conventional wisdom seems to be that humans get plenty of phosphorus and don't need to worry about it, but I wonder if that is really true. Right now my phosphorus levels are low, both absolutely and relative to calcium. The problem I'm overcoming is apparently calcium overload. I'm supplementing with bioavailable calcium and avoiding all inorganic sources. As I'm slowly getting rid of the precipitated calcium, the phosphorus levels are supposed to rise. It's not easy to bring up phosphorus levels. It's supposed to take months. Body chemistry is not simple. sigh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
