RE: CSPet Food

[Dee]

Its amazing isn't it Wendy, what they can digest!  But if you think about it
 dogs in the wild hunt in packs, and the lower down the alpha scale, just
grab anything they can, which is usually bones as they are the last to be
eaten, and just run off and swallow them in case another dog takes it.  This
way, they survive, so I presume this is why their digestive systems are made
this way.  Their stomachs for instance, are flat and in folds and the
surface is covered with excretion points for acid etc., so that when they
swallow something big, the stomach can extend enormously to cope with this,
as often they don't eat again for days or more.  Dee  
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Wendy
Date: 10/05/2007 00:00:25
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSPet Food
 
 
This new dog was chewing a  bone  I had given him -  roughly a 10
curved beef rib bone . I needed to put him in the house while I went and
got laundry as the workers were afraid of him and he hadn't been with us
long. When I reached for him, he thought I was trying to take his bone
and he inhaled the whole damn thing 
 
rounded diet and they were all correct- his body broke the bone down. He
had absolutely no problems at all. In 3-4 months of feeding raw to him
he was a completely transformed dog, it really was incredible.
 

Re: CSPet Food

[Dee]

You're welcome Jodi.  Dee  
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Jodi W Menard
Date: 09/05/2007 21:02:32
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSPet Food
 
Thank you Dee. :-)
 
Dee wrote on 5/9/2007, 12:48 PM:
 
   Hi Jodie, I'm no expert but you are fine with any raw bones.
 
 
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Re: CSPet Food

[Garnet]

They don't, never? That is very strange to me that all the raw feeding 
lists will tell you that they can, it happens, maybe it is an accident 
but it does and has happened with raw bones.


Janet

Dee wrote:

Sorry, but no they don't!  We are talking about *raw* feeding here and
chicken bones are very soft, especially wings, ribs etc.,  I personally don
t feed any weight bearing bones to my dogs but they have always been fine
with soft wing or in the case of lambs, ribs.  I have only given beef leg
bones for the gnawing on to clean teeth, but my dogs actually don't like to
do this, apart from one.  Any cooked bones are TABOO!  It is *cooked* bones
that splinter, not raw.  If your dog caught a rabbit, it would eat the whole
animal except for maybe the head; fur and all, so this is obviously what
they are designed to do.  Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Clayton Family 

Date: 05/09/07 16:38:24 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSPet Food 

 

Chicken bones splinter badly. 

 



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Re: CSPet Food

[Garnet]

But you just said they don't and now you are saying nothing is risk 
free. Which is it?


Janet

Dee wrote:

Hi Jodie, I'm no expert but you are fine with any raw bones.  I personally
don't feed any weight bearing bones, because sometimes they can go into
shards, or sharper pieces which the dogs usually discard.  This said, a lot
of people do with no problems.  Cooked bones are the problem because the
cooking actually changes the physiology (I hope that's the right word) of
the bones, so making them hard.  Never, ever feed cooked bones is the rule
and you should have no problems.  Having said that, there are of course
risks with everything, and I have known dogs have all sorts of health
problems with kibble, even salmonella, torsions,  etc., so nothing is risk
free.  Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Jodi W Menard 

Date: 09/05/2007 16:07:52 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSPet Food 

 

Uh oh. I was told raw bones were good. Can one of the experts here on 

Raw feeding tell me for sure if they are okay or not? I've been giving 

My dog raw chicken legs along with some Pedigree canned and it seems 

he's been doing fine on them, but.? 

 

Jodi 

 



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RE: CSPet Food

[Wendy]

Yes it was raw and yes it is absolutely bizarre. I wouldn't have
believed it, if I hadn't gone through it myself. Especially being new to
raw feeding I thought for sure there was any positive outcome. We've
never fed cooked bones or meat.

wendy

-Original Message-
From: Jodi W Menard [mailto:jwmen...@cox.net] 
Sent: May 9, 2007 7:25 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSPet Food

Wendy wrote on 5/9/2007, 5:51 PM:

[snipped]

  This new dog was chewing a  bone  I had given him -  roughly a 10
  curved beef rib bone.

10 and he was fine?  Amazing.  But, was it a raw bone, Wendy?  Thanks. 
  Jodi


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RE: CSPet Food

[mborgert]

I HATE TO BRING THIS TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION BUT THIS IS NOT THE PET LIST.  
PLEASE STOP THIS DISCUSSION, I AM GETTING TIRED OF IT, GO OFF TOPIC PLEASE.

-- Original message --
From: Wendy wen...@tuxnightclub.com

 Yes it was raw and yes it is absolutely bizarre. I wouldn't have
 believed it, if I hadn't gone through it myself. Especially being new to
 raw feeding I thought for sure there was any positive outcome. We've
 never fed cooked bones or meat.
 
 wendy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jodi W Menard [mailto:jwmen...@cox.net] 
 Sent: May 9, 2007 7:25 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CSPet Food
 
 Wendy wrote on 5/9/2007, 5:51 PM:
 
 [snipped]
 
   This new dog was chewing a  bone  I had given him -  roughly a 10
   curved beef rib bone.
 
 10 and he was fine?  Amazing.  But, was it a raw bone, Wendy?  Thanks. 
   Jodi
 
 
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Re: CSPet Food

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Re: CSPet Food

[Dee]

Its not just the contamination, its what can be in it.  See 

 

http://www.trilogyonline.com/Trilogy/Pets/PetsHome
aspx?Ath=realname=10042285  Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Pat 

Date: 05/09/07 05:49:10 

To: silver list 

Subject: CSPet Food 

 

Some dogs will eat . Sometimes raw meats are just not an option (traveling
in a truck or RV) but I'm worried about manufactured foods. Even the quality
foods can accidentally contain a contaminated ingredient. 

 

Pat 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: CSPet Food

[Pat]

Oh, I agree that organic meat surely would be the best diet for a dog.  It's 
just that my dog was so messed up when I was feeding itmaybe she didn't 
chew the bones enough.  Then a vet tech told me that where she worked, they'd 
done several surgeries to remove bone which was causing a blockage.  She won't 
feed bones of any kind to her dogs.


 Pat

- Original Message 
From: Dee  d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2007 6:12:55 AM
Subject: Re: CSPet Food

Its not just the contamination, its what can be in it.  See 

 

http://www.trilogyonline.com/Trilogy/Pets/PetsHome
aspx?Ath=realname=10042285  Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Pat 

Date: 05/09/07 05:49:10 

To: silver list 

Subject: CSPet Food 

 

Some dogs will eat . Sometimes raw meats are just not an option (traveling
in a truck or RV) but I'm worried about manufactured foods. Even the quality
foods can accidentally contain a contaminated ingredient. 

 

Pat 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: CSPet Food

[Garnet]

Bones can cause problems for dogs. Even the raw feeding lists will tell 
you this. If you have a dog that bolts its food be very careful about 
introducing bones. They can kill.


Janet

Pat wrote:

Oh, I agree that organic meat surely would be the best diet for a dog.  It's 
just that my dog was so messed up when I was feeding itmaybe she didn't 
chew the bones enough.  Then a vet tech told me that where she worked, they'd 
done several surgeries to remove bone which was causing a blockage.  She won't 
feed bones of any kind to her dogs.


 Pat

- Original Message 
From: Dee  d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2007 6:12:55 AM
Subject: Re: CSPet Food

Its not just the contamination, its what can be in it.  See 

 


http://www.trilogyonline.com/Trilogy/Pets/PetsHome
aspx?Ath=realname=10042285  Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Pat 

Date: 05/09/07 05:49:10 

To: silver list 

Subject: CSPet Food 

 


Some dogs will eat . Sometimes raw meats are just not an option (traveling
in a truck or RV) but I'm worried about manufactured foods. Even the quality
foods can accidentally contain a contaminated ingredient. 

 

Pat 

 

 

 

 

 



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Re: CSPet Food

[Jodi W Menard]

Uh oh.  I was told raw bones were good.  Can one of the experts here on 
raw feeding tell me for sure if they are okay or not?   I've been giving 
my dog raw chicken legs along with some Pedigree canned and it seems 
he's been doing fine on them, but.?

Jodi

Garnet wrote on 5/9/2007, 9:24 AM:

  Bones can cause problems for dogs. Even the raw feeding lists will tell
  you this. If you have a dog that bolts its food be very careful about
  introducing bones. They can kill.
 
  Janet
 
  Pat wrote:
   Oh, I agree that organic meat surely would be the best diet for a
  dog.  It's just that my dog was so messed up when I was feeding
  itmaybe she didn't chew the bones enough.  Then a vet tech told me
  that where she worked, they'd done several surgeries to remove bone
  which was causing a blockage.  She won't feed bones of any kind to her
  dogs.


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Re: CSPet Food

[Clayton Family]

chicken bones splinter badly.

On May 9, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Jodi W Menard wrote:


Uh oh.  I was told raw bones were good.  Can one of the experts here on
raw feeding tell me for sure if they are okay or not?   I've been 
giving

my dog raw chicken legs along with some Pedigree canned and it seems
he's been doing fine on them, but.?

Jodi

Garnet wrote on 5/9/2007, 9:24 AM:

Bones can cause problems for dogs. Even the raw feeding lists will 
tell

you this. If you have a dog that bolts its food be very careful about
introducing bones. They can kill.

Janet

Pat wrote:

Oh, I agree that organic meat surely would be the best diet for a

dog.  It's just that my dog was so messed up when I was feeding
itmaybe she didn't chew the bones enough.  Then a vet tech told me
that where she worked, they'd done several surgeries to remove bone
which was causing a blockage.  She won't feed bones of any kind to her
dogs.



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Re: CSPet Food

[Clayton Family]

Ok, I'm feeling brave-

my dog is vegan.

The vet says she is very healthy, and tells me to keep it up.

My family had several dogs growing up, and all of them loved to eat 
various things- one loved carrots from the garden, another would beg 
and beg for a bite of banana, my first dog used to graze on the 
raspberries when they were ripe- he was very considerate, and would 
leave some for me too. All of them grazed in the grass for weeds and 
grass seed stalks. They all loved to eat leftovers (we had a healthy 
diet, full of homecooked goodness, courtesy of my dear mom). None of 
them had any health problems, they all lived their lives out to a ripe 
old age.


Kathryn


On May 8, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Pat wrote:

Some dogs will eat absolutely anything.  I had a yellow lab who would 
run his nose up and down our tomato plants and eat any which were 
ripe.  This same dog ate a tray of Halloween candy (including wrappers 
and sucker sticks) when we forgot to put the gate up.  I had to make 
both labs empty their stomachs just in case (with hydrogen peroxide in 
broth), but the black one had eaten nothing.  One Easter we got home 
and looked for the eggs which we'd dyed.  We found a part of a shell.  
The yellow lab had eaten 24 hard boiled eggs.and had no bad 
effects from it.  Once I fed the 3 dogs leftover lean turkey.When 
I got home from work, the kitchen was so covered with runny poop that 
I could hardly walk through.  I'll never give a dog turkey again!  The 
yellow lab ate part of a night light bulb and a rubber glove, too.  
It's a wonder that dog survived all he did.


I tried to give my Australian Cattle Dog raw meat with bones.lamb 
necks and organic chicken thighs.  I started adding it in addition to 
her dry foods, but she had terrible gas.  When I give her a raw egg, 
she has gas if I include the white.  I think foods like Newman's Own 
organic or Blue Buffalo are well balanced.  We've used Solid Gold but 
my dog quit eating it eventually, and Innova which caused gas 
problems, but I think they're basically good.  I don't think there are 
any decent dog foods available in grocery stores.  Sometimes raw meats 
are just not an option (traveling in a truck or rv) but I'm worried 
about manufactured foods.  Even the quality foods can accidentally 
contain a contaminated ingredient.


   
Pat



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Re: CSPet Food

[Barbara]

Jodi,

I'm definitely not an expert but I feed my Chihuahuas raw meat and bones for 9 
years.  Juat want to say that only raw bones are safe as they do not splinter.  
Any cooked bones are not safe so do not feed them to you dog, no matter the 
size (of dog or bone... LOL)  

Also want to point out that anything in the world can be dangerous when you 
have an accident.  Dogs died from eating bones and also died from eating 
kibble.  The life has no guarantees. 

Barbara



  Uh oh.  I was told raw bones were good.  Can one of the experts here on raw 
feeding tell me for sure if they are okay or not?   I've been giving my dog raw 
chicken legs along with some Pedigree canned and it seems he's been doing fine 
on them, but.?

  Jodi

Re: CSPet Food

[Jodi W Menard]

Thank you Barbara. 

Barbara wrote on 5/9/2007, 11:06 AM: [snipped]



  Jodi,
  
  
  
  I'm definitely not an expert
but I feed my Chihuahuas raw meat and bones for 9 years. Juat want to
say that only raw bones are safe as they do not splinter. 





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RE: CSPet Food

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Re: CSPet Food

[Dee]

Sorry, but no they don't!  We are talking about *raw* feeding here and
chicken bones are very soft, especially wings, ribs etc.,  I personally don
t feed any weight bearing bones to my dogs but they have always been fine
with soft wing or in the case of lambs, ribs.  I have only given beef leg
bones for the gnawing on to clean teeth, but my dogs actually don't like to
do this, apart from one.  Any cooked bones are TABOO!  It is *cooked* bones
that splinter, not raw.  If your dog caught a rabbit, it would eat the whole
animal except for maybe the head; fur and all, so this is obviously what
they are designed to do.  Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Clayton Family 

Date: 05/09/07 16:38:24 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSPet Food 

 

Chicken bones splinter badly. 

 


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Re: CSPet Food

[Dee]

Hi Jodie, I'm no expert but you are fine with any raw bones.  I personally
don't feed any weight bearing bones, because sometimes they can go into
shards, or sharper pieces which the dogs usually discard.  This said, a lot
of people do with no problems.  Cooked bones are the problem because the
cooking actually changes the physiology (I hope that's the right word) of
the bones, so making them hard.  Never, ever feed cooked bones is the rule
and you should have no problems.  Having said that, there are of course
risks with everything, and I have known dogs have all sorts of health
problems with kibble, even salmonella, torsions,  etc., so nothing is risk
free.  Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Jodi W Menard 

Date: 09/05/2007 16:07:52 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSPet Food 

 

Uh oh. I was told raw bones were good. Can one of the experts here on 

Raw feeding tell me for sure if they are okay or not? I've been giving 

My dog raw chicken legs along with some Pedigree canned and it seems 

he's been doing fine on them, but.? 

 

Jodi 

 


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Re: CSPet Food

[Jodi W Menard]

Thank you Dee. :-)

Dee wrote on 5/9/2007, 12:48 PM:

  Hi Jodie, I'm no expert but you are fine with any raw bones.


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Re: CSPet Food

[Denise Rollheiser]

the 'trick' here is the word RAWcooked/boiled bones splinter and cause 
problems; raw, for the most part, causes no problems.


I've been feeding raw for 6 years now and would never ever go back to 
feeding commercially prepared dog food...especially given the number of dog 
food recalls that have been happening over the last little while.


And yes, bones can cause problems, but when I weigh the potential problems 
feeding raw VS the problems feeding commercially prepared dog food - I'll 
choose the raw every time...!


Even my cats are raw fed

Denise
Saskatoon, SK  Canada
neec...@sasktel.net

- Original Message - 
From: Jodi W Menard jwmen...@cox.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: CSPet Food



Uh oh.  I was told raw bones were good.  Can one of the experts here on
raw feeding tell me for sure if they are okay or not?   I've been giving
my dog raw chicken legs along with some Pedigree canned and it seems
he's been doing fine on them, but.?

Jodi

Garnet wrote on 5/9/2007, 9:24 AM:

 Bones can cause problems for dogs. Even the raw feeding lists will tell
 you this. If you have a dog that bolts its food be very careful about
 introducing bones. They can kill.

 Janet

 Pat wrote:
  Oh, I agree that organic meat surely would be the best diet for a
 dog.  It's just that my dog was so messed up when I was feeding
 itmaybe she didn't chew the bones enough.  Then a vet tech told me
 that where she worked, they'd done several surgeries to remove bone
 which was causing a blockage.  She won't feed bones of any kind to her
 dogs.


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RE: CSPet Food

[Wendy]

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I think if one does their research
and factors everything in they will be able to make an informed choice
that works for them whichever 'diet' they choose. Talking with breeders
that are into 3rd and 4th and upwards generations is an excellent way to
get a handle on what works best for them and how their stock is etc, and
you can go from there.  When I did all the research 7 or 8 yrs ago I
learned what I could. We had purchased a 2.5 yr old trained guard dog to
live with us during our short stint in the Bahamas. I'd practiced on a
'rent a dog' for a few weeks prior to his arrival with awesome results.
(shudder- don't even ask! What deplorable standards.sigh)

This new dog was chewing a  bone  I had given him -  roughly a 10
curved beef rib bone . I needed to put him in the house while I went and
got laundry as the workers were afraid of him and he hadn't been with us
long. When I reached for him, he thought I was trying to take his bone
and he inhaled the whole damn thing I was freaked out to say the
least. I figured there was no way it was coming out whole through in his
bowel movement and he wasn't vomiting it back up. I thought for sure
this $6k dog was about to die!! Oh my gawd what a night.  The quality of
the vets there was um, well questionable, so I had their number and I
waited it out with him- stayed with him all night on the bed, all the
next day... nothing. Did a lot of research that night, talked with a lot
of people on line, they said no worries, we were feeding a pretty well
rounded diet and they were all correct- his body broke the bone down. He
had absolutely no problems at all. In 3-4 months of feeding raw to him
he was a completely transformed dog, it really was incredible.

We have been feeding raw every since.  Although I do know there are
supporters of NOT supplementing or feeding veggies... I personally do
notice when the diet is not varied enough or we leave out the oils and
supplements, their coats are the first to show it, then goopy eyes,
energy level etc. 




 Garnet wrote on 5/9/2007, 9:24 AM:

  Bones can cause problems for dogs. Even the raw feeding lists will
tell
  you this. If you have a dog that bolts its food be very careful
about
  introducing bones. They can kill.
 
  Janet
 
  Pat wrote:
   Oh, I agree that organic meat surely would be the best diet for a
  dog.  It's just that my dog was so messed up when I was feeding
  itmaybe she didn't chew the bones enough.  Then a vet tech told
me
  that where she worked, they'd done several surgeries to remove bone
  which was causing a blockage.  She won't feed bones of any kind to
her
  dogs.


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RE: CSPet Food

[Jodi W Menard]

Wendy wrote on 5/9/2007, 5:51 PM:

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  This new dog was chewing a  bone  I had given him -  roughly a 10
  curved beef rib bone.

10 and he was fine?  Amazing.  But, was it a raw bone, Wendy?  Thanks. 
  Jodi


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Re: CSPet Food

[Teri Johnston]

At 09:57 AM 5/9/2007, you wrote:


Uh oh.  I was told raw bones were good.  Can one of the experts here on
raw feeding tell me for sure if they are okay or not?   I've been giving
my dog raw chicken legs along with some Pedigree canned and it seems
he's been doing fine on them, but.?

Jodi

I feed raw chicken leg quarters to my dogs  all the time and have 
dones so for the last 7 yrs.  Never had a problem yet.   Pork neck 
bones are great also.  Just be sure to add some meat as there is 
very little on those bones.




Teri Johnston
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Re: CSPet Food

[Teri Johnston]

Only a problem if cooked.

At 10:37 AM 5/9/2007, you wrote:


chicken bones splinter badly.



Teri Johnston
Fireside Welsh Springer Spaniels
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Young Living Essential Oil
Distributor #935975
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CSPet Food

[Pat]

Some dogs will eat absolutely anything.  I had a yellow lab who would run his 
nose up and down our tomato plants and eat any which were ripe.  This same dog 
ate a tray of Halloween candy (including wrappers and sucker sticks) when we 
forgot to put the gate up.  I had to make both labs empty their stomachs just 
in case (with hydrogen peroxide in broth), but the black one had eaten nothing. 
 One Easter we got home and looked for the eggs which we'd dyed.  We found a 
part of a shell.  The yellow lab had eaten 24 hard boiled eggs.and had no 
bad effects from it.  Once I fed the 3 dogs leftover lean turkey.When I got 
home from work, the kitchen was so covered with runny poop that I could hardly 
walk through.  I'll never give a dog turkey again!  The yellow lab ate part of 
a night light bulb and a rubber glove, too.  It's a wonder that dog survived 
all he did.  

I tried to give my Australian Cattle Dog raw meat with bones.lamb necks and 
organic chicken thighs.  I started adding it in addition to her dry foods, but 
she had terrible gas.  When I give her a raw egg, she has gas if I include the 
white.  I think foods like Newman's Own organic or Blue Buffalo are well 
balanced.  We've used Solid Gold but my dog quit eating it eventually, and 
Innova which caused gas problems, but I think they're basically good.  I don't 
think there are any decent dog foods available in grocery stores.  Sometimes 
raw meats are just not an option (traveling in a truck or rv) but I'm worried 
about manufactured foods.  Even the quality foods can accidentally contain a 
contaminated ingredient.


   Pat




 

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Re: CSpet food

[Cinder Ella]

Wow, I haven't had a dog in years but I remember that dogs are almost as bad as 
pigs.  They have endless pits for a stomach and will eat anything they can find 
any time anywhere.   Whoever wrote that article on that website couldn't have 
ever owned a DOG!  LoL
Doris


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 what they need when given a  choice.


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