Re: CSsmart meter shielding
See: http://stevebeckow.com/2011/10/review-of-smart-meters Marshall On 10/20/2011 8:12 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen wrote: don't let them put one in your house fight this people.. this stuff is bad news. - Original Message - *From:* martsmai...@aol.com mailto:martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:20 PM *Subject:* Re: CSsmart meter shielding martsmai...@aol.com mailto:martsmai...@aol.com wrote: stopsmartmeters. org/...any body know about these building electric smart meters response: *They're bad news. Kathy* http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=382 Read the report Scientists Urge Halt of Wireless Rollout and Call for New Safety Standards: Warning Issued on Risks to Children and Pregnant Women “Current US and ICNIRP standards for radiofrequency and microwave radiation from wireless technologies are entirely inadequate. (Olle Johansson, professor, The Experimental Dermatology Unit, Department of Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, and The Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden) The combined effect of cell phones, cordless phones, cell towers, WI-FI and wireless internet place billions of people around the world at risk for cancer, neurological disease and reproductive and developmental impairments. Reflections can significantly increase localized RF levels. Hondou et al (2006) establishes that power densities 1000 times to 2000 times higher than the power density predictions from computer modeling (that does not account properly for reflections) can be found in daily living situations. The RF hot spots can significantly increase RF exposure--even above current public safety limits. “In the case of the eyes and testes, direct relaxation of power density limits is not permitted.”(p. 30) This leaves unanswered what instantaneous peak power is permissible from smart meters. The level must be below 4000 uW/cm2. This report shows clearly that smart meters can create instantaneous peak power exposures where the face (eyes) and body (testes) are going to be in close proximity to smart meter RF pulses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] In a message dated 10/18/2011 3:23:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, asifnathe...@hotmail.com writes: From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
don't let them put one in your house fight this people.. this stuff is bad news. - Original Message - From: martsmai...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding martsmai...@aol.com wrote: stopsmartmeters. org/...any body know about these building electric smart meters response: They're bad news. Kathy http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=382 Read the report Scientists Urge Halt of Wireless Rollout and Call for New Safety Standards: Warning Issued on Risks to Children and Pregnant Women “Current US and ICNIRP standards for radiofrequency and microwave radiation from wireless technologies are entirely inadequate. (Olle Johansson, professor, The Experimental Dermatology Unit, Department of Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, and The Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden) The combined effect of cell phones, cordless phones, cell towers, WI-FI and wireless internet place billions of people around the world at risk for cancer, neurological disease and reproductive and developmental impairments. Reflections can significantly increase localized RF levels. Hondou et al (2006) establishes that power densities 1000 times to 2000 times higher than the power density predictions from computer modeling (that does not account properly for reflections) can be found in daily living situations. The RF hot spots can significantly increase RF exposure--even above current public safety limits. “In the case of the eyes and testes, direct relaxation of power density limits is not permitted.”(p. 30) This leaves unanswered what instantaneous peak power is permissible from smart meters. The level must be below 4000 uW/cm2. This report shows clearly that smart meters can create instantaneous peak power exposures where the face (eyes) and body (testes) are going to be in close proximity to smart meter RF pulses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] In a message dated 10/18/2011 3:23:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, asifnathe...@hotmail.com writes: From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
that is funny, i like that... but they might charge you everytime they have to come out - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding You know, a legal tactic to resist smart meters, would be to organize an everyone block it out with aluminum foil (or whatever actually works) day. Yes, they will be able to tell you blocked it out. But hey, it is on your property. And if everyone who does not like smart meters does it, PGE will be screwed having to come out and remove the foil/whatever to so many houses. Heck, it could be done everyday. David On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM, ted mozell tdba...@gmail.com wrote: Heck wait till the neighbors see me out there wrapping the damn thing with aluminum foil . I should probably put some on my head while I'm at it that will give em something to talk about On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
They can't come out to all of your houses...so maybe collect a fund and pool the risk, and pay the fees of everyone from that fund. Or just everyone can refuse to pay. If Americans would just act in unison, there isn't really anything in this country we would have to put up with. That's the big IF though. It requires above zombie brain status. David On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Mike Winslow-Hansen th...@telus.net wrote: that is funny, i like that... but they might charge you everytime they have to come out - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding You know, a legal tactic to resist smart meters, would be to organize an everyone block it out with aluminum foil (or whatever actually works) day. Yes, they will be able to tell you blocked it out. But hey, it is on your property. And if everyone who does not like smart meters does it, PGE will be screwed having to come out and remove the foil/whatever to so many houses. Heck, it could be done everyday. David On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM, ted mozell tdba...@gmail.com wrote: Heck wait till the neighbors see me out there wrapping the damn thing with aluminum foil . I should probably put some on my head while I'm at it that will give em something to talk about On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
that would be a decent compromise, as the meter would buffer the traffic and send when the next available opportunity presents itself which of course would be when you uncover the shielding perhaps the neighborhood could agree on a time to do this... e.g. 9pm-10pm every night bear in mind that a LOT of traffic would be fed during that time intensively... rather than being drip fed throughout the day... there would be maximum transmission during that time.. as it would be making up for lost time!... -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
Maybe that narrow time frame would be the perfect time to really wear the tinfoil hats? LOL On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: that would be a decent compromise, as the meter would buffer the traffic and send when the next available opportunity presents itself which of course would be when you uncover the shielding perhaps the neighborhood could agree on a time to do this... e.g. 9pm-10pm every night bear in mind that a LOT of traffic would be fed during that time intensively... rather than being drip fed throughout the day... there would be maximum transmission during that time.. as it would be making up for lost time!... -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
I've heard from someone that said there is an option to people to have smart meters wired in using telephone wires... has anyone heard of this? - Original Message - From: phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:14 PM Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe that narrow time frame would be the perfect time to really wear the tinfoil hats? LOL On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: that would be a decent compromise, as the meter would buffer the traffic and send when the next available opportunity presents itself which of course would be when you uncover the shielding perhaps the neighborhood could agree on a time to do this... e.g. 9pm-10pm every night bear in mind that a LOT of traffic would be fed during that time intensively... rather than being drip fed throughout the day... there would be maximum transmission during that time.. as it would be making up for lost time!... -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
which one?... I have 3! :) -- From: phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe that narrow time frame would be the perfect time to really wear the tinfoil hats? LOL On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: that would be a decent compromise, as the meter would buffer the traffic and send when the next available opportunity presents itself which of course would be when you uncover the shielding perhaps the neighborhood could agree on a time to do this... e.g. 9pm-10pm every night bear in mind that a LOT of traffic would be fed during that time intensively... rather than being drip fed throughout the day... there would be maximum transmission during that time.. as it would be making up for lost time!... -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsmart meter shielding
Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
I would think energy goes from inside someone’s electrical wires to their own meter and then all meters are transmitted to central station up to 5 miles away. So the danger for someone without a smart meter is that the neighborhood has this energy buzzing outside but not directly inside their own home. Otherwise it is passing through walls of everyone’s home and then sealing off your own smart meter with foil wouldn’t help. Jess From: Shirley Reed Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
_martsmail53@aol.com_ (mailto:martsmai...@aol.com) wrote: stopsmartmeters. org/...any body know about these building electric smart meters response: They're bad news. Kathy _http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=382_ (http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=382) Read the report Scientists Urge Halt of Wireless Rollout and Call for New Safety Standards: Warning Issued on Risks to Children and Pregnant Women “Current US and ICNIRP standards for radiofrequency and microwave radiation from wireless technologies are entirely inadequate. (Olle Johansson, professor, The Experimental Dermatology Unit, Department of Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, and The Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden) The combined effect of cell phones, cordless phones, cell towers, WI-FI and wireless internet place billions of people around the world at risk for cancer, neurological disease and reproductive and developmental impairments. Reflections can significantly increase localized RF levels. Hondou et al (2006) establishes that power densities 1000 times to 2000 times higher than the power density predictions from computer modeling (that does not account properly for reflections) can be found in daily living situations. The RF hot spots can significantly increase RF exposure--even above current public safety limits. “In the case of the eyes and testes, direct relaxation of power density limits is not permitted.”(p. 30) This leaves unanswered what instantaneous peak power is permissible from smart meters. The level must be below 4000 uW/cm2. This report shows clearly that smart meters can create instantaneous peak power exposures where the face (eyes) and body (testes) are going to be in close proximity to smart meter RF pulses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] In a message dated 10/18/2011 3:23:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, asifnathe...@hotmail.com writes: From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall _mdudley@king-cart.com_ (mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing??If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary.pj
RE: CSsmart meter shielding
I wonder what effect would happen if a powerful magnet was placed near it? PT From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11
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Here comes mass organized midnight vandalism off whole country's smart meters. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: I wonder what effect would happen if a powerful magnet was placed near it? PT From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSsmart meter shielding
Scientific inquiry! PT -Original Message- From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 8:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Here comes mass organized midnight vandalism off whole country's smart meters. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: I wonder what effect would happen if a powerful magnet was placed near it? PT From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
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Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Heck wait till the neighbors see me out there wrapping the damn thing with aluminum foil . I should probably put some on my head while I'm at it that will give em something to talk about On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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You know, a legal tactic to resist smart meters, would be to organize an everyone block it out with aluminum foil (or whatever actually works) day. Yes, they will be able to tell you blocked it out. But hey, it is on your property. And if everyone who does not like smart meters does it, PGE will be screwed having to come out and remove the foil/whatever to so many houses. Heck, it could be done everyday. David On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM, ted mozell tdba...@gmail.com wrote: Heck wait till the neighbors see me out there wrapping the damn thing with aluminum foil . I should probably put some on my head while I'm at it that will give em something to talk about On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
