Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]
Hi Mike: I am astonished to find anyone can get down to 0.3uS. The best I have seen is 0.5uS, and that is from the local Walmart. I use high powered rare earth magnets in the double distillation process. However, such extreme purity is simply not desirable or needed for the typical single mom. Agreed. However, none of us use this anymore. For LVDC,the thing we are worried about is CO2, which forms carbonic acid. This will quickly raise your 0.3uS to 1.5uS or so. Having an actual closed production system takes care of this problem, although again not very necessary for a simple generator. Silver does not oxidize. Search google for silver does not oxidize, and you will get over 8,000 hits. Here are some: Here we'll have to agree to disagree for the moment. The point is rather mute anyway. For example: The equilibrium electrode potential of silver is +0.799 V. This value is only 0.01 V more negative than the equilibrium potential of an oxygen electrode in natural environments. Then by definition silver is not regarded as a noble metal, because it can still be thermodynamically oxidised by atmospheric oxygen at normal temperatures. At standard temperatures and pressures (STP), the thermodynamical equilibrium of 4 Ag + O2 -- 2 AgO -from the ESA Journal, 1989 I can also show you some journal publications with TEM's of silver oxide configurations which must have occured with some relatively simple reactions. I've never questioned my common understanding of the oxidation process involving silver, as I use ozone and activated oxygen with silver all of the time. I can pretty much prove by physical evidence some very simple reactions. That said, I'll take a look your alternate viewpoint when I get the chance... I always question everything, and I love being proved wrong... there's a big thrill in improving the accuracy and depth perception of knowledge. However, I don't see that the point is that relative to anything regarding a basic generator, anyway. The electrode configuration does affect the performance. I hope to clarify this soon when I get the SilverCell web page up and running. That might be one of your bigger issues. If people purchase standard silver electrodes from somewhere like ccsilver.com , they may not be able to bend them into shape successfully without tearing them up with pliars or some such tool. Also, silver particles are not converted into silver chloride. I don't believe that I stated that they were. Silver ions are leached off by acids, whereby they are then converted into compounds ( in reference to Dr. Bart Flick's work). Frank is dead wrong in this. Ions kill pathogens in vitro. Particles do not. As I stated in an earlier email, work done at UCLA demonstrated conclusively that only the electromagnetic information is required to kill pathogens. I noted that particles in the colloidal spectrum have unique properties not shared by simple ion arrangements. Metallic silver can very easily survive the digestive tract. In fact, you may not be aware fo this, but some colloidal-size particles exhibit enzyme-like activities in the body. However, again, I don't see this as very important to the work at hand. I wholeheartedly agree that Frank is very wrong in some of his suppositions. Internally, something completely different happens. With sublingual absorption, the amount of silver in the blood is far to low to have any effect on pathogens. We need to study this further, since it definitely involves the human immune system Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the electromagetic information of silver. I'm not sure anyone understands from a practical level how oligodynamics work biologically. As far as anyone really knows, the effect could simply be a catylst. Nebulization is my favorite method of administration, although I am aware that there are some MD's out there who rely soley upon sublingual adsorption. High ionic is the only way to go. Unfortunately, most people here have no way to see this for themselves since all the current cs generators have too many design flaws to reach the needed concentration. Aside from experience with the differences in taste, the salt solution is an elegant solution. But the solution has been under our fingers since the 3 nines was originally invented. All it takes is a slight rearrangement of the design, and we can improve the ion concentration by a factor of ten! I would really like to see this in a closed system some day, with the ambient air variables removed. It would be fascinating. You will truly be amazed when you see how simple the SilverCell process is. This is the most significant breakthrough in colloidal silver generators since the original 3 nines, and I am hopeful it will have beneficial effects for those suffering from serious
Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]
Any success in creating a very simple, very low-cost system would be of great value worldwide, especially if the current high price of sliver (probably speculative) passes away and the metal goes back to under ten dollars per ounce. SOTA Instruments once sold a relatively low-cost pulser/generator but discontinued it due to some problems with the sealed electronic enclosure. Even this device was about 50 dollars, pricing it out of the market of people who need it most, some of whom live in a dollar or two per day. Mike's idea of putting everything in the public domain is wonderful, because it would enable volunteer groups in many countries to assemble inexpensive units to sell at costs local people in many countries could handle. Because many are in the global south, as they say, a cheap solar chip could supplement or replace the 9V battery. This has great potential. Some researchers have made inexpensive solar still designs, and if links to these were published along with the other information, it would be helpful. On 2011/09/14, at 8:53, Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Mike: I am astonished to find anyone can get down to 0.3uS. The best I have seen is 0.5uS, and that is from the local Walmart. I use high powered rare earth magnets in the double distillation process. However, such extreme purity is simply not desirable or needed for the typical single mom. Agreed. However, none of us use this anymore. For LVDC,the thing we are worried about is CO2, which forms carbonic acid. This will quickly raise your 0.3uS to 1.5uS or so. Having an actual closed production system takes care of this problem, although again not very necessary for a simple generator. Silver does not oxidize. Search google for silver does not oxidize, and you will get over 8,000 hits. Here are some: Here we'll have to agree to disagree for the moment. The point is rather mute anyway. For example: The equilibrium electrode potential of silver is +0.799 V. This value is only 0.01 V more negative than the equilibrium potential of an oxygen electrode in natural environments. Then by definition silver is not regarded as a noble metal, because it can still be thermodynamically oxidised by atmospheric oxygen at normal temperatures. At standard temperatures and pressures (STP), the thermodynamical equilibrium of 4 Ag + O2 -- 2 AgO -from the ESA Journal, 1989 I can also show you some journal publications with TEM's of silver oxide configurations which must have occured with some relatively simple reactions. I've never questioned my common understanding of the oxidation process involving silver, as I use ozone and activated oxygen with silver all of the time. I can pretty much prove by physical evidence some very simple reactions. That said, I'll take a look your alternate viewpoint when I get the chance... I always question everything, and I love being proved wrong... there's a big thrill in improving the accuracy and depth perception of knowledge. However, I don't see that the point is that relative to anything regarding a basic generator, anyway. The electrode configuration does affect the performance. I hope to clarify this soon when I get the SilverCell web page up and running. That might be one of your bigger issues. If people purchase standard silver electrodes from somewhere like ccsilver.com , they may not be able to bend them into shape successfully without tearing them up with pliars or some such tool. Also, silver particles are not converted into silver chloride. I don't believe that I stated that they were. Silver ions are leached off by acids, whereby they are then converted into compounds ( in reference to Dr. Bart Flick's work). Frank is dead wrong in this. Ions kill pathogens in vitro. Particles do not. As I stated in an earlier email, work done at UCLA demonstrated conclusively that only the electromagnetic information is required to kill pathogens. I noted that particles in the colloidal spectrum have unique properties not shared by simple ion arrangements. Metallic silver can very easily survive the digestive tract. In fact, you may not be aware fo this, but some colloidal-size particles exhibit enzyme-like activities in the body. However, again, I don't see this as very important to the work at hand. I wholeheartedly agree that Frank is very wrong in some of his suppositions. Internally, something completely different happens. With sublingual absorption, the amount of silver in the blood is far to low to have any effect on pathogens. We need to study this further, since it definitely involves the human immune system Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the electromagetic information of silver. I'm not sure anyone understands from a practical level how oligodynamics work biologically. As far as anyone really
Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]
Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: Any success in creating a very simple, very low-cost system would be of great value worldwide, especially if the current high price of sliver (probably speculative) passes away and the metal goes back to under ten dollars per ounce. SOTA Instruments once sold a relatively low-cost pulser/generator but discontinued it due to some problems with the sealed electronic enclosure. Even this device was about 50 dollars, pricing it out of the market of people who need it most, some of whom live in a dollar or two per day. Mike's idea of putting everything in the public domain is wonderful, because it would enable volunteer groups in many countries to assemble inexpensive units to sell at costs local people in many countries could handle. Because many are in the global south, as they say, a cheap solar chip could supplement or replace the 9V battery. This has great potential. Some researchers have made inexpensive solar still designs, and if links to these were published along with the other information, it would be helpful. Hi Jonathan, Good to hear from you again! One significant advantage of the SilverCell process is it uses a minimum of the consumables. The silver electrodes are short length of 12 ga 0.999 fine silver, and they will last a long time. Due to the use of sublingual absorption, only a small amount of cs is used for each dose. Instead of 250ml, only about 50 ml is used. The cs is not ingested, but is expelled after about 12 minutes. So the requirement for distilled water is only 20% of the amount needed in conventional cs systems. The current requirement is very low. I calculate that a 9 Volt alkaline should last for about 110 brews of 400ml each. This works out to around 2 years for one person, and it breaks down to a very small cost per dose. Also, the SilverCell can use discarded batteries that are too weak to drive boom boxes. There is a plentiful supply of these, so there should be no problem getting batteries to make cs. The main problem will be getting good quality distilled water. Perhaps we could develop a solar still that might deliver a high enough quality to work. After all, what does a distiller need? Heat. What does the sun give? Heat. Maybe a simple mirror to focus the energy, and some low leaching materials to conduct the water and vapor as required. If you have any information on people who may have already done this, please let me know. Best Regards, Mike Monett SilverCell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]
Thanks, Mike. This is all really interesting. Through Internet correspondence I know a researcher named Dr. Steven E. Jones, formerly a university physics professor. (He lost his employment due to his controversial research pertaining to the physics and chemistry of 11 September, 2001.) Dr. Jones has many interests, one of which is a low-cost solar stove he developed with his university students. Here's one link. There are others: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Steven_E._Jones_Solar_Funnel_for_Cooking I studied his design once, and it seemed to me that even people in poor countries could make these at minimal cost. I mentioned the idea of using the stove as a still for making distilled water for silver generators. (I believe his former university has several researchers working in that area.) These stoves could certainly be shared by many members of a community, given the low water requirements of your design. Dr. Jone's design is all public domain, as is other recent work on new electronic circuits that reportedly drain very, very little energy from batteries -- a claim that is certain to be challenged, and the basis of which he admittedly does NOT understand. Everything about the circuit is disclosed on one of his websites -- I think he's on YouTube also -- for the same reasons you're doing public disclosure -- to prevent IP problems and keep the technology available to everyone. There are a number of other solar stoves, of course, but Jone's looks really simple and fairly safe. (I saw a video of a mirror-based solar concentrator built by some young guy who was cutting thick boards in half with it. That could boil water fast, but also take off body parts!) Thanks again for your work. Hope this helps. On 2011/09/14, at 10:06, Mike Monett wrote: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: Any success in creating a very simple, very low-cost system would be of great value worldwide, especially if the current high price of sliver (probably speculative) passes away and the metal goes back to under ten dollars per ounce. SOTA Instruments once sold a relatively low-cost pulser/generator but discontinued it due to some problems with the sealed electronic enclosure. Even this device was about 50 dollars, pricing it out of the market of people who need it most, some of whom live in a dollar or two per day. Mike's idea of putting everything in the public domain is wonderful, because it would enable volunteer groups in many countries to assemble inexpensive units to sell at costs local people in many countries could handle. Because many are in the global south, as they say, a cheap solar chip could supplement or replace the 9V battery. This has great potential. Some researchers have made inexpensive solar still designs, and if links to these were published along with the other information, it would be helpful. Hi Jonathan, Good to hear from you again! One significant advantage of the SilverCell process is it uses a minimum of the consumables. The silver electrodes are short length of 12 ga 0.999 fine silver, and they will last a long time. Due to the use of sublingual absorption, only a small amount of cs is used for each dose. Instead of 250ml, only about 50 ml is used. The cs is not ingested, but is expelled after about 12 minutes. So the requirement for distilled water is only 20% of the amount needed in conventional cs systems. The current requirement is very low. I calculate that a 9 Volt alkaline should last for about 110 brews of 400ml each. This works out to around 2 years for one person, and it breaks down to a very small cost per dose. Also, the SilverCell can use discarded batteries that are too weak to drive boom boxes. There is a plentiful supply of these, so there should be no problem getting batteries to make cs. The main problem will be getting good quality distilled water. Perhaps we could develop a solar still that might deliver a high enough quality to work. After all, what does a distiller need? Heat. What does the sun give? Heat. Maybe a simple mirror to focus the energy, and some low leaching materials to conduct the water and vapor as required. If you have any information on people who may have already done this, please let me know. Best Regards, Mike Monett SilverCell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]
Jason wrote: Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the electromagetic Information of silver. I'm not sure anyone understands from a practical Level how oligodynamics work biologically. As far as anyone really knows, The effect could simply be a catylst. Jason, does this mean if a person could get the figures for the frequency of the silver that this would be as good as the electromagnetic information from the silver--or do you think it's still necessary to have actual, physical ions present? Samala, Renee
Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]
Hi Renee: In theory, yes. In practice, maintaining the purity of any signal is problematic. It's easy to both measure and maintain any energy signal from a device through a chamber and into a test tube. It's way beyond my technical expertise to try and figure out how this could be done. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: gaiac...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 18:27 Subject: Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy] Jason wrote: Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the electromagetic Information of silver. I'm not sure anyone understands from a practical Level how oligodynamics work biologically. As far as anyone really knows, The effect could simply be a catylst. Jason, does this mean if a person could get the figures for the frequency of the silver that this would be as good as the electromagnetic information from the silver--or do you think it's still necessary to have actual, physical ions present? Samala, Renee
Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]
Hey Jason. Well, it seems that on another list they've been having good results using a red pointing laser shown through a glass tube containing the substance, onto the body. This imparts the information of the substance INTO the body. All very impressive. If we could get a true grasp on frequencies we'd all be able to do without having to ingest substances, but as you say--it's very tricky. Now it depends on the practitioner--how good he/she is. Still, it s a fascinating subject. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- In theory, yes. In practice, maintaining the purity of any signal is problematic. It's easy to both measure and maintain any energy signal from a device through a chamber and into a test tube. It's way beyond my technical expertise to try and figure out how this could be done.
