Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited
Brain forensics are carried out with the use of a copper/silver method to stain only the damaged areas. Copper and silver have an affinity for damage, but there is no indication that it causes that damage. Silver has been found in the brains of alcoholic cadavers. Alcohol damages brain cells and may compromise the blood brain barrier. Like in Alzheimers, Aluminum collects in the damaged areas, but there is no indication that Aluminum causes the damage or enters the brains of normal healthy people. Both Aluminum and Copper are virtually impossible to avoid. Expressing extreme frustration in the lack of ability to induce Argyria even when injecting huge doses of silver, a researcher went to the silver processing industry and perused their records.[I've lost the paper but it *was* linked to from Rosemary Jacobs site many years ago, in effect, her proof disproving her assertions...the links were removed.] Incidence of Agyria was 2 in 1,000 workers, absenteeism from illness was lower than the norm. Silver workers inhale and eat silver dust all day long in amounts far exceeding any reasonable CS intake. The researcher found no current cases to study. Logical Conclusion: If you have blue moons and it IS from silver, [and not from a myriad of other possible causes ] you may have other problems where silver accumulation shows as a side effect with silver not the cause. It was also found that silver can have toxic effects, but the injected dose required could make bullets big enough to kill a werewolf. Don't inject a whole electrode. Ode At 01:39 PM 10/6/2008 -0400, you wrote: craehow...@juno.com wrote: Question: If; in fact, Collodial Silver did accumulate (beyond turning blue) what could we expect that to cause? An immune system boost. Since some water filters use silver to purify water, any accumulated silver, especially in places like the liver, should enhance the immune system's ability to kill pathogens significantly. Silver accumulation in the liver appears to cause no problems, but should be a big boost to the immune system. See: http://www2.mst.dk/common/Udgivramme/Frame.asp?http://www2.mst.dk/udgiv/publications/2003/87-7972-512-0/html/kap08_eng.htm Silver is primarily accumulated in the pancreas, liver and spleen, and to a lesser extent in other tissues. Silver is mainly excreted in the feces via the bile. Urinary may take place, when the blood level of silver is above a certain concentration. Accumulation in the brain and kidneys is of more concern. That same article says: Metallic silver is highly inert and is generally considered of low toxicity to mammalian species including man. However, death has been observed in rats following ingestion of large doses colloidal silver (15 http://www2.mst.dk/udgiv/publications/2003/87-7972-512-0/html/kap06_eng.htm#15). In rare cases, silver has resulted in skin allergy. Inhalation of high concentrations of silver fume resulted in headache and dyspnoea, and later reduced oxygen pressure in capillary blood. For many years, it was believed that the only effect from silver was argyria. Argyria results after long-term exposure and is a cosmetic illness. Recent studies show, that silver may be toxic to the kidneys. In animal studies, silver was able to pass the blood-brain barrier and accumulate in certain areas of the brain. Such animals were less active than unexposed animals, which may indicate that silver may have a harmful effects on the central nervous system. Silver is not mutagenic or carcinogenic. There is some evidence that silver may cause minor developmental anomalies in the foetus. Marshall I feel that a portion of the silver that we are digesting is building up; mainly because our elimination systems are not fuctioning well. I know that mine has been a problem for 20+ years and I am now 61. I've never been a junk food addict or consumed what was considered the tabo types of foods. I loved my vegetables and ate very little meat. Has anyone seen any information on this? connie -- Forwarded Message -- [Neville wrote: If I thought for one second that CS was the cause of sol's moons there would be no further point in my continuation of ingestion of CS. Why do you say that? Silver accumulation in the skin, nail beds, or wherever has NOTHING to do with its effectiveness in killing pathogens so far as I know. sol] Don't misunderstand sol, I'm not talking about the pathogen aspect of CS, I'm aware of that, I'm referring to the fact that the ingestion of CS, using the appropriate protocols as we know are required for the production thereof, there should be NO issues if all we have researched, based on repeated experimental and scientific evidence, is to remain credible. Do you see what I mean? All research I have accessed states that with the ingestion of CS,when produced in the correct manner, there is NO issue with build up of silver anywhere
Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited
Ode Coyote wrote: Logical Conclusion: If you have blue moons and it IS from silver, [and not from a myriad of other possible causes ] you may have other problems where silver accumulation shows as a side effect with silver not the cause. I wish I had said that, and it is what I suspect to be true for me. LOL, sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited
Hi sol, OK, delete the word 'enhance' from my statement and replace it with 'aid', or 'compliment' maybe, however they all mean the same thing to me. Maybe I should have put it another way...if we had no, none, zilch, zap, nada, jack, zero or bereft of silver in the body, be it in the form of ions, colloids, or solid silver ingots the immune system would not function as efficiently. That's all I was trying to say, and it's by those means I, quote, think this could happen. Silver may not necessarily be essential in the body but without it we would be on shaky ground, whatever the form silver takes. Sorry, I'm no brain surgeon or Harvard scholar and am only able to converse in general terms, I can't get into pedantics as I'm not that academically inclined, I can only speak in generalities and make the assumption others would see what I mean in the broader sense, or read between the lines if you like. N. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited Neville wrote: Now you are getting close, yes, as with all trace elements in the body, they are in colloidal form and silver will be among them so of course silver will 'show up' on examination. Silver plays no other role, to my knowledge, in the body other than to enhance the immune mechanism in our bodies, Neville, So far as my own research has been able to turn up as well as my own personal anecdotal experiences, silver does zero, zip, nada to enhance the immune system. What it does is kill pathogens, bacteria, viruses, and some fungi, thereby reducing the load on the immune system and giving the appearance of immune improvement. But direct stimulation of the immune system? Don't think so. By what means do you think this could happen? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited
It was that man recently wasn't it that they found silver in his brain, but only after he had been taking a concoction of drugs as well. Maybe the drugs caused the silver to stay there and not be excreted, who knows? And anyway, they still couldn't say what actually killed him could they, so the fact that they found silver may be irrelevant. dee sol wrote: Somewhere I did see some reports that silver has been found in the brain in autopsy. Don't remember where. Apparently that is one argument for the danger of CS. I've also seen claims that silver builds up in the kidneys of animals and causes kidney damage. I could not find any substantiation for that. (Apparently it does deposit in kidneys, but I can't substantiate that it causes any harm at all, let alone damage severe enough to cause death). Don't have any references to hand on any of that though, so just from memory. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited
craehow...@juno.com wrote: Question: If; in fact, Collodial Silver did accumulate (beyond turning blue) what could we expect that to cause? An immune system boost. Since some water filters use silver to purify water, any accumulated silver, especially in places like the liver, should enhance the immune system's ability to kill pathogens significantly. Silver accumulation in the liver appears to cause no problems, but should be a big boost to the immune system. See: http://www2.mst.dk/common/Udgivramme/Frame.asp?http://www2.mst.dk/udgiv/publications/2003/87-7972-512-0/html/kap08_eng.htm Silver is primarily accumulated in the pancreas, liver and spleen, and to a lesser extent in other tissues. Silver is mainly excreted in the feces via the bile. Urinary may take place, when the blood level of silver is above a certain concentration. Accumulation in the brain and kidneys is of more concern. That same article says: Metallic silver is highly inert and is generally considered of low toxicity to mammalian species including man. However, death has been observed in rats following ingestion of large doses colloidal silver (15 http://www2.mst.dk/udgiv/publications/2003/87-7972-512-0/html/kap06_eng.htm#15). In rare cases, silver has resulted in skin allergy. Inhalation of high concentrations of silver fume resulted in headache and dyspnoea, and later reduced oxygen pressure in capillary blood. For many years, it was believed that the only effect from silver was argyria. Argyria results after long-term exposure and is a cosmetic illness. Recent studies show, that silver may be toxic to the kidneys. In animal studies, silver was able to pass the blood-brain barrier and accumulate in certain areas of the brain. Such animals were less active than unexposed animals, which may indicate that silver may have a harmful effects on the central nervous system. Silver is not mutagenic or carcinogenic. There is some evidence that silver may cause minor developmental anomalies in the foetus. Marshall I feel that a portion of the silver that we are digesting is building up; mainly because our elimination systems are not fuctioning well. I know that mine has been a problem for 20+ years and I am now 61. I've never been a junk food addict or consumed what was considered the tabo types of foods. I loved my vegetables and ate very little meat. Has anyone seen any information on this? connie -- Forwarded Message -- [Neville wrote: If I thought for one second that CS was the cause of sol's moons there would be no further point in my continuation of ingestion of CS. Why do you say that? Silver accumulation in the skin, nail beds, or wherever has NOTHING to do with its effectiveness in killing pathogens so far as I know. sol] Don't misunderstand sol, I'm not talking about the pathogen aspect of CS, I'm aware of that, I'm referring to the fact that the ingestion of CS, using the appropriate protocols as we know are required for the production thereof, there should be NO issues if all we have researched, based on repeated experimental and scientific evidence, is to remain credible. Do you see what I mean? All research I have accessed states that with the ingestion of CS,when produced in the correct manner, there is NO issue with build up of silver anywhere in the body as silver, in the form we take it, coupled with the method we use to produce it simply cannot build up in the body. Our waist elimination processes pass it through in a relatively quick time frame. However, if CS is not produced in the appropriate manner, as we know it, then the possibility of build up is conceivable. Do you follow what I am trying to say? It's simply a matter of whether all the research is believableor not. Personally, from all the research I have done, I believe silver will not accumulate anywhere in the body if produced in the way we produce it today. My conviction is based on all the documented information I have found, but as I said, if evidence is out there stating that this is NOT the case then I want to have that varified as it makes all my researched material null and void. See where I am coming from? If the silver in the form we produce it has the capacity to build up in the body, then that pretty much negates all information I have researched. No room for doubts with me, I'm tired of anecdotal hearsay which is why I made that statement regarding my discontinueing with it so I am sticking with my researched material, will continue to take my daily 'dose', until proven otherwise, (of course if I get crook at any time then I will just up the dose). I am motivated by concensus of opinion, and in this case that 'opinion' is based on researched material, and what others choose to divulge here. I welcome the opportunity to be corrected though. N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.
Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited
Question: If; in fact, Collodial Silver did accumulate (beyond turning blue) what could we expect that to cause? I feel that a portion of the silver that we are digesting is building up; mainly because our elimination systems are not fuctioning well. I know that mine has been a problem for 20+ years and I am now 61. I've never been a junk food addict or consumed what was considered the tabo types of foods. I loved my vegetables and ate very little meat. Has anyone seen any information on this? connie -- Forwarded Message -- [Neville wrote: If I thought for one second that CS was the cause of sol's moons there would be no further point in my continuation of ingestion of CS. Why do you say that? Silver accumulation in the skin, nail beds, or wherever has NOTHING to do with its effectiveness in killing pathogens so far as I know. sol] Don't misunderstand sol, I'm not talking about the pathogen aspect of CS, I'm aware of that, I'm referring to the fact that the ingestion of CS, using the appropriate protocols as we know are required for the production thereof, there should be NO issues if all we have researched, based on repeated experimental and scientific evidence, is to remain credible. Do you see what I mean? All research I have accessed states that with the ingestion of CS,when produced in the correct manner, there is NO issue with build up of silver anywhere in the body as silver, in the form we take it, coupled with the method we use to produce it simply cannot build up in the body. Our waist elimination processes pass it through in a relatively quick time frame. However, if CS is not produced in the appropriate manner, as we know it, then the possibility of build up is conceivable. Do you follow what I am trying to say? It's simply a matter of whether all the research is believableor not. Personally, from all the research I have done, I believe silver will not accumulate anywhere in the body if produced in the way we produce it today. My conviction is based on all the documented information I have found, but as I said, if evidence is out there stating that this is NOT the case then I want to have that varified as it makes all my researched material null and void. See where I am coming from? If the silver in the form we produce it has the capacity to build up in the body, then that pretty much negates all information I have researched. No room for doubts with me, I'm tired of anecdotal hearsay which is why I made that statement regarding my discontinueing with it so I am sticking with my researched material, will continue to take my daily 'dose', until proven otherwise, (of course if I get crook at any time then I will just up the dose). I am motivated by concensus of opinion, and in this case that 'opinion' is based on researched material, and what others choose to divulge here. I welcome the opportunity to be corrected though. N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Click to compare life insurance rates. Great rates, quick and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifSTtk8ubVmgdnd1bZz6K2VnqDTbPIRItSwkQsVJ7FzBf6By/
Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited
Somewhere I did see some reports that silver has been found in the brain in autopsy. Don't remember where. Apparently that is one argument for the danger of CS. I've also seen claims that silver builds up in the kidneys of animals and causes kidney damage. I could not find any substantiation for that. (Apparently it does deposit in kidneys, but I can't substantiate that it causes any harm at all, let alone damage severe enough to cause death). Don't have any references to hand on any of that though, so just from memory. sol craehow...@juno.com wrote: Question: If; in fact, Collodial Silver did accumulate (beyond turning blue) what could we expect that to cause? I feel that a portion of the silver that we are digesting is building up; mainly because our elimination systems are not fuctioning well. I know that mine has been a problem for 20+ years and I am now 61. I've never been a junk food addict or consumed what was considered the tabo types of foods. I loved my vegetables and ate very little meat. Has anyone seen any information on this? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited
Now you are getting close, yes, as with all trace elements in the body, they are in colloidal form and silver will be among them so of course silver will 'show up' on examination. Silver plays no other role, to my knowledge, in the body other than to enhance the immune mechanism in our bodies, as with the individual purposes all other trace elements perform in the body, (which we would be ingesting naturally if the food we ate contained silver as well as all the other elements, but as we all know that is becoming more impossible every day with the mutilation and degridation of produce and soils). But as I said, I am sticking my hand up and stating that I will not accept that this is an argument for 'dangers' of CS. If I accepted most of what is anecdotal I would be with governments and pharmaceutical companies and be doing my utmost to drag CS down into the gutter where they think it belongs. I refuse to do that, I've read too much about it. There is too much talk and not enough action, someone has to stand their ground and I guess it's going to be me, call me a rebel or call me an idiot, I don't care. More material needs to be made available to prove or disprove one thing or another and until I see proof I am going with the research I have done. I have said before and I'll say it again, there is too much anecdotal 'it could do this' or 'it may cause that' etc etc, someone needs to stand by CS regardless and I have made my decision based on research. Any side issue relating to CS will be caused by some other issue which may be evident in the body and as a consequence I cannot agree with any supposition that CS has played a part in that cause and effect. Hey, I am only a mug punter here as all you's know far more than I do regarding a whole range of things which I haven't the foggiest idea about but poor old EICS still seems to carry 'doubts' with most, I won't accept 'doubts' anymore, the more one reads about CS the more complicated it can, and will, become. Oh, there is a medical condition regarding poor blood circulation which will cause 'colour' as well but I will need to find the medical terminology for that again. From a personal perspective I think people have read too much 'bad' stuff and when some 'effect' may become 'evident' they quickly associate it with CS, and for those who ingest it a tentative finger is always pointed at CS, only because of all the BS that is readily available, the nagging thought is always in the back of the head when quite possibly there should be no thoughts at all regarding the use of CS.who knows? I have made my mind up on that. This is all only my opinion of course, but I'm sticking with it, if it achieves nothing else it will be percieved as confirmation for those out there who may have doubts, or critisism from you people of my way of thinking, but most importantly it should provoke legitimate discussion here for the broader audience, call it for the purpose of more 'research' if you want, the more 'factual' information available, the better off everyone will beincluding me. I don't mind stepping into the ring if it's for a good cause, and I believe CS is a good cause. Yeah and I think the silence is a little deafening too, come on, get the axe out and cut me down. g Cheers...N. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited Somewhere I did see some reports that silver has been found in the brain in autopsy. Don't remember where. Apparently that is one argument for the danger of CS. I've also seen claims that silver builds up in the kidneys of animals and causes kidney damage. I could not find any substantiation for that. (Apparently it does deposit in kidneys, but I can't substantiate that it causes any harm at all, let alone damage severe enough to cause death). Don't have any references to hand on any of that though, so just from memory. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Fw: Re: CSblue moons revisited
Neville wrote: Now you are getting close, yes, as with all trace elements in the body, they are in colloidal form and silver will be among them so of course silver will 'show up' on examination. Silver plays no other role, to my knowledge, in the body other than to enhance the immune mechanism in our bodies, Neville, So far as my own research has been able to turn up as well as my own personal anecdotal experiences, silver does zero, zip, nada to enhance the immune system. What it does is kill pathogens, bacteria, viruses, and some fungi, thereby reducing the load on the immune system and giving the appearance of immune improvement. But direct stimulation of the immune system? Don't think so. By what means do you think this could happen? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
