Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-24 Thread Faith Gagne
This message is getting louder and louder by the minute, thank God!  Thank 
you for this video.  Faith G.



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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-24 Thread kmilkowski
No problem, just pass it along to those you know, and hopefully they'll do the 
same.

Kurt
 Faith Gagne  wrote: 
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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-24 Thread Faith Gagne
I will pass it along.  the problem is that some people are not willing to 
listen to this yet.  Faith G,



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No problem, just pass it along to those you know, and hopefully they'll do 
the same.


Kurt
 Faith Gagne  wrote:
This message is getting louder and louder by the minute, thank God! 
Thank

you for this video.  Faith G.


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From: 

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Subject: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


> http://waronyou.com/2008/05/chemical-dumbing-down-of-america/



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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-24 Thread kmilkowski
No need to tell me about that Faith!  lol

 Faith Gagne  wrote: 
> I will pass it along.  the problem is that some people are not willing to 
> listen to this yet.  Faith G,
> 
> 
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> From: 
> To: 
> Cc: "Faith Gagne" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:39 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika
> 
> 
> > No problem, just pass it along to those you know, and hopefully they'll do 
> > the same.
> >
> > Kurt
> >  Faith Gagne  wrote:
> >> This message is getting louder and louder by the minute, thank God! 
> >> Thank
> >> you for this video.  Faith G.
> >>
> >>
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> >> Subject: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika
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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-27 Thread Ode Coyote
e claimed as true, when the whole truth is bigger than 
even CAN be acknowledged even if we DO use the limited tools we DO have TO 
USE, properly]


Ode

The builders of personal reality creed:
"Gee, that looks like shit, but at least it took a long time and hurt a 
lot" [ Maaaybe I oughta scrap it and call wasted time and effort a waste? ]

Naww... God gave me the ability to swing a hammer, sore thumbs are HIS fault.
Now look what you made me do!  [But, you see. God doesn't care what you do 
with hammers. It's not at all hard to see:  "They know not what they 
do"...despite any nonsensical beliefs. ]



At 09:41 AM 5/24/2008 -0400, you wrote:

I will pass it along.  the problem is that some people are not willing to 
listen to this yet.  Faith G,



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To: 
Cc: "Faith Gagne" 
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


No problem, just pass it along to those you know, and hopefully they'll 
do the same.


Kurt
 Faith Gagne  wrote:

This message is getting louder and louder by the minute, thank God! Thank
you for this video.  Faith G.


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To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:00 AM
Subject: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


> http://waronyou.com/2008/05/chemical-dumbing-down-of-america/



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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-27 Thread Ode Coyote



 How about "use the power you have"

NO ONE can sell you something you won't buy.
If you "buy" fluoridated water and toothpaste, who's the uncaring idiot?
If you don't want lead in kid paint, stop buying toys made in China.

Arguing that buying that stuff made you too stupid to not buy that stuff 
doesn't quite wash.

Without "you", THEY are out of business...right NOW.
It's a no quibble deal.

And another thing:  If you the consumer is not willing to pay the wages you 
demand to make something the right way, where do you suppose the jobs will go?

...exactly where they went and done the way they were done?

The "consumer" has 100% of the power...but we always want someone else who 
couldn't care less, to use it the way we want it to be used.

"Help me, help me be helplessno, not like that. "

What's amazing is that "they" actually care a little bit more than you do. 
[sometimes not much more]
..and the truth is, not all errors are intentional.  "They" know everything 
beforehand because YOU discovered something after the fact?

Even *you* don't work that way.

   "I'm" mad as Hell and I won't take it anymore"   has nothing to do with 
what "they" are, or aren't, handing out.
There is always an alternative if you are willing to risk taking 
it...but no one to blame.  [Except you, if you start supplying it, right? ]


I'll just buy a bigger car with more air bags so I can be safe in a crash 
and no one has to learn how to drive well enough that we don't roll those 
top heavy behemoths into the ditches that keep the roads safe to drive on 
in the rain.
Then blame the oil company for the cost of all the gas it takes to haul my 
heavy safe ass around after not buying a smaller car I have to actually 
steer to avoid getting hurt and blame GM for not making stuff now, that I 
didn't buy when they did. [Yes, GM DID make a car that got over 50 MPG and 
it was inexpensive, but not enough of them sold to make continued 
production worth while and demand for more safety legislated them out of 
producability...ya'll got what ya'll wanted. Suck it up. That new $7,000 
car is now 14-19 years old and rare, is selling for $8,000+ today]


 Most states demand that you carry liability insurance, but no state says 
you can't be that insurer...but then, you are betting on yourself instead 
of paying someone else to take the risk.
Hospitals kill ALL of the people who chose to not die at home relying on 
themselves to be their own doctor and pharmacist.  Those that survive 
either case are never counted.


Lookie.  "If" Company A is putting waste into your water and you start 
buying Company Bs water that doesn't have it, Company A is going to have to 
stop doing that to stay in business...BUT...Company C will also have to 
find something else to do with that waste and you will have to pay that 
cost whenever you buy whatever they produce that you wanted to buy.


It doesn't matter if that waste is or isn't harmful.
If no one buys it, even for the wrong reasons, it won't be in the water 
that sells.
If any water company no longer sells water, it's no longer a company any 
more.  It committed suicide.
Don't like the pill pushers?  Stop buying pills and they'll go 
away.  You'll be no worse off than your great grandpa who had no pills to 
buy available...back in the good old days.


Ode



At 09:41 AM 5/24/2008 -0400, you wrote:

I will pass it along.  the problem is that some people are not willing to 
listen to this yet.  Faith G,



- Original Message - From: 
To: 
Cc: "Faith Gagne" 
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


No problem, just pass it along to those you know, and hopefully they'll 
do the same.


Kurt
 Faith Gagne  wrote:

This message is getting louder and louder by the minute, thank God! Thank
you for this video.  Faith G.


- Original Message - From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:00 AM
Subject: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


> http://waronyou.com/2008/05/chemical-dumbing-down-of-america/



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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-27 Thread kmilkowski
So when a parent takes thier 5 year old to the dentist for the mercury and the 
flouride and to the quack for the vaccines, the 5 year old should've known 
better?? The parents should've but they trusted the quacks and the government, 
that was a big mistake as history pretty clearly shows.

 Ode Coyote  wrote: 
> 
> 
>   How about "use the power you have"
> 
> NO ONE can sell you something you won't buy.
> If you "buy" fluoridated water and toothpaste, who's the uncaring idiot?
> If you don't want lead in kid paint, stop buying toys made in China.
> 
> Arguing that buying that stuff made you too stupid to not buy that stuff 
> doesn't quite wash.
> Without "you", THEY are out of business...right NOW.
> It's a no quibble deal.
> 
> And another thing:  If you the consumer is not willing to pay the wages you 
> demand to make something the right way, where do you suppose the jobs will go?
> ...exactly where they went and done the way they were done?
> 
> The "consumer" has 100% of the power...but we always want someone else who 
> couldn't care less, to use it the way we want it to be used.
> "Help me, help me be helplessno, not like that. "
> 
> What's amazing is that "they" actually care a little bit more than you do. 
> [sometimes not much more]
> ..and the truth is, not all errors are intentional.  "They" know everything 
> beforehand because YOU discovered something after the fact?
> Even *you* don't work that way.
> 
> "I'm" mad as Hell and I won't take it anymore"   has nothing to do with 
> what "they" are, or aren't, handing out.
> There is always an alternative if you are willing to risk taking 
> it...but no one to blame.  [Except you, if you start supplying it, right? 
> ]
> 
> I'll just buy a bigger car with more air bags so I can be safe in a crash 
> and no one has to learn how to drive well enough that we don't roll those 
> top heavy behemoths into the ditches that keep the roads safe to drive on 
> in the rain.
> Then blame the oil company for the cost of all the gas it takes to haul my 
> heavy safe ass around after not buying a smaller car I have to actually 
> steer to avoid getting hurt and blame GM for not making stuff now, that I 
> didn't buy when they did. [Yes, GM DID make a car that got over 50 MPG and 
> it was inexpensive, but not enough of them sold to make continued 
> production worth while and demand for more safety legislated them out of 
> producability...ya'll got what ya'll wanted. Suck it up. That new $7,000 
> car is now 14-19 years old and rare, is selling for $8,000+ today]
> 
>   Most states demand that you carry liability insurance, but no state says 
> you can't be that insurer...but then, you are betting on yourself instead 
> of paying someone else to take the risk.
> Hospitals kill ALL of the people who chose to not die at home relying on 
> themselves to be their own doctor and pharmacist.  Those that survive 
> either case are never counted.
> 
> Lookie.  "If" Company A is putting waste into your water and you start 
> buying Company Bs water that doesn't have it, Company A is going to have to 
> stop doing that to stay in business...BUT...Company C will also have to 
> find something else to do with that waste and you will have to pay that 
> cost whenever you buy whatever they produce that you wanted to buy.
> 
> It doesn't matter if that waste is or isn't harmful.
> If no one buys it, even for the wrong reasons, it won't be in the water 
> that sells.
> If any water company no longer sells water, it's no longer a company any 
> more.  It committed suicide.
> Don't like the pill pushers?  Stop buying pills and they'll go 
> away.  You'll be no worse off than your great grandpa who had no pills to 
> buy available...back in the good old days.
> 
> Ode
> 
> 
> 
> At 09:41 AM 5/24/2008 -0400, you wrote:
> 
> >I will pass it along.  the problem is that some people are not willing to 
> >listen to this yet.  Faith G,
> >
> >
> >- Original Message - From: 
> >To: 
> >Cc: "Faith Gagne" 
> >Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:39 AM
> >Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika
> >
> >
> >>No problem, just pass it along to those you know, and hopefully they'll 
> >>do the same.
> >>
> >>Kurt
> >> Faith Gagne  wrote:
> >>>This message is getting louder and louder by the minute, thank God! Thank
> >>>you for this video.  Faith G.
>

Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-27 Thread Smitty
>Yes, GM DID make a car that got over 50 MPG . . . .

What make & year was this car ?

Smitty


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-27 Thread T. J. Garland

Sprint  3 cylinder.  i bought my son one for collefe.
Those who would give up a little Essential Liberty to purchase a little 
Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety--  Benjamin Franklin, 
1755
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika



>Yes, GM DID make a car that got over 50 MPG . . . .

What make & year was this car ?

Smitty


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-27 Thread G Murray


It got over 60 miles to the imperial gallon.  It was a pretty tough 
little car for what it was made out of.  A friend had the sprint and I 
had the geo tracker.  Just a little cramped for space if more than 2 
people. or when the kids get bigger. : )


T. J. Garland wrote:

Sprint  3 cylinder.  i bought my son one for collefe.
Those who would give up a little Essential Liberty to purchase a 
little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety--  
Benjamin Franklin, 1755

- Original Message - From: "Smitty" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika



>Yes, GM DID make a car that got over 50 MPG . . . .

What make & year was this car ?

Smitty


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-27 Thread Smitty
>  It got over 60 miles to the imperial gallon.  It was a pretty tough little
> car for what it was made out of.  A friend had the sprint and I had the geo
> tracker.  Just a little cramped for space if more than 2 people. or when the
> kids get bigger. : )

What year were these ?

Smitty


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-27 Thread G Murray
We bought 1989 models but the sprint may have been out a year or so 
before that and they were produced for 6-8 years for sure, maybe longer.


Smitty wrote:

 It got over 60 miles to the imperial gallon.  It was a pretty tough little
car for what it was made out of.  A friend had the sprint and I had the geo
tracker.  Just a little cramped for space if more than 2 people. or when the
kids get bigger. : )



What year were these ?

Smitty


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-27 Thread bbanever

Ode,

   Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated water, it 
was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.  Lead paint was 
illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of knowing there was 
lead in the paint on their kids toys... the governments job it to PROTECT 
the consumer, and they have failed miserably on almost all fronts.   The EPA 
has become a criminal organization set up to protect polluters and allow 
industry to pollute our air, water, and food without government 
interference.  It isn't the consumer that isn't willing to pay the wages 
needed to make something the right way, it is the EMPLOYERS, the 
CORPORATIONS that are unwilling to pay the wages necessary.   You have it 
all backwards Ode.   You say we aren't willing to buy cars that get 50mpg 
yet the Toyota Prius hybrid is one of the biggest sellers in America while 
Ford, GM, and Chrysler loose more market share due to their lack of quality 
economical "green" cars.  Give us a good car that gets 40 - 50mpg and I 
GUARANTEE you they will sell like hotcakes.  People are STUCK with their 
SUV's, nobody wants them anymore and used car lots are overflowing with 
them.I could go on, but the consumer is NOT "in control" when big 
business, big pharma, big oil and big government is DICTATING what is to be 
available.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika





 How about "use the power you have"

NO ONE can sell you something you won't buy.
If you "buy" fluoridated water and toothpaste, who's the uncaring idiot?
If you don't want lead in kid paint, stop buying toys made in China.

Arguing that buying that stuff made you too stupid to not buy that stuff 
doesn't quite wash.

Without "you", THEY are out of business...right NOW.
It's a no quibble deal.

And another thing:  If you the consumer is not willing to pay the wages 
you demand to make something the right way, where do you suppose the jobs 
will go?

...exactly where they went and done the way they were done?

The "consumer" has 100% of the power...but we always want someone else who 
couldn't care less, to use it the way we want it to be used.

"Help me, help me be helplessno, not like that. "

What's amazing is that "they" actually care a little bit more than you do. 
[sometimes not much more]
..and the truth is, not all errors are intentional.  "They" know 
everything beforehand because YOU discovered something after the fact?

Even *you* don't work that way.

   "I'm" mad as Hell and I won't take it anymore"   has nothing to do with 
what "they" are, or aren't, handing out.
There is always an alternative if you are willing to risk taking 
it...but no one to blame.  [Except you, if you start supplying it, 
right? ]


I'll just buy a bigger car with more air bags so I can be safe in a crash 
and no one has to learn how to drive well enough that we don't roll those 
top heavy behemoths into the ditches that keep the roads safe to drive on 
in the rain.
Then blame the oil company for the cost of all the gas it takes to haul my 
heavy safe ass around after not buying a smaller car I have to actually 
steer to avoid getting hurt and blame GM for not making stuff now, that I 
didn't buy when they did. [Yes, GM DID make a car that got over 50 MPG and 
it was inexpensive, but not enough of them sold to make continued 
production worth while and demand for more safety legislated them out of 
producability...ya'll got what ya'll wanted. Suck it up. That new $7,000 
car is now 14-19 years old and rare, is selling for $8,000+ today]


 Most states demand that you carry liability insurance, but no state says 
you can't be that insurer...but then, you are betting on yourself instead 
of paying someone else to take the risk.
Hospitals kill ALL of the people who chose to not die at home relying on 
themselves to be their own doctor and pharmacist.  Those that survive 
either case are never counted.


Lookie.  "If" Company A is putting waste into your water and you start 
buying Company Bs water that doesn't have it, Company A is going to have 
to stop doing that to stay in business...BUT...Company C will also have to 
find something else to do with that waste and you will have to pay that 
cost whenever you buy whatever they produce that you wanted to buy.


It doesn't matter if that waste is or isn't harmful.
If no one buys it, even for the wrong reasons, it won't be in the water 
that sells.
If any water company no longer sells water, it's no longer a company any 
more.  It committed suicide.
Don't like the pill pushers?  Stop buying pills and they'll go away. 
You&#

Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-28 Thread T. J. Garland

Mine was an '87  got 60+ miles/  gal.
Those who would give up a little Essential Liberty to purchase a little 
Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety--  Benjamin Franklin, 
1755
- Original Message - 
From: "Smitty" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


 It got over 60 miles to the imperial gallon.  It was a pretty tough 
little
car for what it was made out of.  A friend had the sprint and I had the 
geo
tracker.  Just a little cramped for space if more than 2 people. or when 
the

kids get bigger. : )


What year were these ?

Smitty


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread Ode Coyote



 1989 Sprint
1990-1994 Metro
XFI versions get up to 60 MPG.mine only does 54 in reality.

Top speed @ around 85 MPH.

1995-2001 models were made bigger and heavier and get around 45 MPG IF it 
has the 3 cyl engine with 5 speed transmission.

Deduct ~8 MPG for automatic, all models.
4 cyl engines are almost as efficient.

 Made by GM in Canada based on the Suzuki Swift designs, sold both under 
the Geo and Chevy bowtie badges.


I pulled the head off one at 120,000 miles to do a valve job and the engine 
looked NEW.
I was "SOLD" on that alone and bought 7 of them while they were still as 
cheap as gas was.


Ode



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>Yes, GM DID make a car that got over 50 MPG . . . .

What make & year was this car ?

Smitty


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread Ode Coyote

At 09:56 PM 5/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:


Ode,

   Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated water, 
it was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.  Lead 
paint was illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of 
knowing there was lead in the paint on their kids toys... the governments 
job it to PROTECT the consumer, and they have failed miserably on almost 
all fronts.


  ## The public has failed to fund the consumer protection agency so that 
it CAN do that job.
 Water consumption averages around 40 gallons per person, but 2 gallons is 
plenty [especially when you pack it up a hill from the spring on your back] 
and can be bought elsewhere.




 The EPA has become a criminal organization set up to protect polluters 
and allow industry to pollute our air, water, and food without government 
interference.  It isn't the consumer that isn't willing to pay the wages 
needed to make something the right way, it is the EMPLOYERS, the 
CORPORATIONS that are unwilling to pay the wages necessary.


## Who buys the cheapest product they can find and where do the costs get 
cut to make that price possible?

The "people" work at cross purposes to themselves.
Laws are all fine and dandy till the results and costs of enforcement come 
in...no business operates in a vacuum, nor can it.
 Gov't sneaks around the back door to resolve conflicting consumer 
demands, making a "show" for the voters who want and vote for the impossible.


  You have it all backwards Ode.   You say we aren't willing to buy cars 
that get 50mpg yet the Toyota Prius hybrid is one of the biggest sellers 
in America while Ford, GM, and Chrysler loose more market share due to 
their lack of quality economical "green" cars.  Give us a good car that 
gets 40 - 50mpg and I GUARANTEE you they will sell like hotcakes.


##  NOW they will.  With all that hindsight at work.
 But "Now" due to all the consumers clamoring for big and heavy safety to 
protect against collisions with big and heavy safe cars, a heavy Prious 
NEEDS an expensive hybrid setup to get WORSE mileage than the cars that 
DIDN'T sell back when they WERE made.


  People are STUCK with their SUV's, nobody wants them anymore and used 
car lots are overflowing with them.I could go on, but the consumer is 
NOT "in control" when big business, big pharma, big oil and big 
government is DICTATING what is to be available.


##  The Gov't dictates to satisfy conflicting consumer demands. [which is 
the sort of nonsense that make dictates necessary ]
If consumers had bought what they needed for the *utterly predictable 
future* rather than for their egoic present "desire", no dictate would have 
been necessary to make the difficult and expensive possible when cheap and 
simple economy that already exceeded the dictates was already a proven 
fact...IN USE.
So now people are "stuck" with their short sighted decisions and once AGAIN 
a nearly new 1975 Cadillac Fleetwood will sell for $50...and once AGAIN, 
I'll not be able to sell that 60,000 mile Buick Electra 225 that was given 
to me for anything but scrap.

3 really big warnings and no one learned a damned thing.

On top of that, even an SUV can get over 200 miles per gallon, per 
person.all it takes is some organization and planning,  but "people" 
just will not do it.


The Gov't is always 3 steps behind us, trying to make things work in SPITE 
of what we bought into and want.
So long as they can rob Peter to pay Paul to get elected to accomplish the 
impossible and retire before the bill gets passed back to them, they'll do 
just that.

"They" are people too.
"We" claim to love our grand kids, but expect someone else to BEHAVE like 
that's true.  No different than any politician we hired to be the *us* we 
deny we are.


I do not have it backwards.
Denial has warped reality perception to where the after effect and 
resultant stop gap emergency dictate, becomes the cause.
People believe they can live on credit cards too, then blame the banks when 
they go broke paying the interest they didn't have in their own 
futures.  [DUH! ]
Dumb as posts and voting for more of the same, done by a new bunch of 
representatives to kick later on.
Meanwhile, the one guy that has the guts to say the Gov't can't do it, 
[because it CAN'T and never could for very long without stepping on the 
same toes it's trying to sidestep and wasting enormous sums of money doing 
it ]  gets shot to Hell in the polls.


Good luck..that has "historically" always worked. [to do exactly "this" ]

If it has never worked, do it harder to someone else, using someone else to 
do it.

..and when you run out of someone elses, it's their fault.

Ode



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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread T. J. Garland

Got one to sell?  I am not far from you.
Those who would give up a little Essential Liberty to purchase a little 
Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety--  Benjamin Franklin, 
1755
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika





 1989 Sprint
1990-1994 Metro
XFI versions get up to 60 MPG.mine only does 54 in reality.

Top speed @ around 85 MPH.

1995-2001 models were made bigger and heavier and get around 45 MPG IF it 
has the 3 cyl engine with 5 speed transmission.

Deduct ~8 MPG for automatic, all models.
4 cyl engines are almost as efficient.

 Made by GM in Canada based on the Suzuki Swift designs, sold both under 
the Geo and Chevy bowtie badges.


I pulled the head off one at 120,000 miles to do a valve job and the 
engine looked NEW.
I was "SOLD" on that alone and bought 7 of them while they were still as 
cheap as gas was.


Ode



At 09:02 AM 5/27/2008 -1000, you wrote:


>Yes, GM DID make a car that got over 50 MPG . . . .

What make & year was this car ?

Smitty


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread kmilkowski
The government is 3 steps ahead of us, not 3 steps behind. You have to realize 
who the government is, they don't get elected. What are they doing with all 
that oil up in Alaska, that we'll never see??? That's the 4th largest oil 
deposit in the world and it's just sitting there, why? The largest is in Suadi, 
second largest is Iraq. Want to take a guess at where the 3rd largest oil 
deposit is?? You know, the ones we are going to blast next-Iran. 

Kurt
 Ode Coyote  wrote: 
> At 09:56 PM 5/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> >Ode,
> >
> >Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated water, 
> > it was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.  Lead 
> > paint was illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of 
> > knowing there was lead in the paint on their kids toys... the governments 
> > job it to PROTECT the consumer, and they have failed miserably on almost 
> > all fronts.
> 
>## The public has failed to fund the consumer protection agency so that 
> it CAN do that job.
>   Water consumption averages around 40 gallons per person, but 2 gallons is 
> plenty [especially when you pack it up a hill from the spring on your back] 
> and can be bought elsewhere.
> 
> 
> 
> >  The EPA has become a criminal organization set up to protect polluters 
> > and allow industry to pollute our air, water, and food without government 
> > interference.  It isn't the consumer that isn't willing to pay the wages 
> > needed to make something the right way, it is the EMPLOYERS, the 
> > CORPORATIONS that are unwilling to pay the wages necessary.
> 
> ## Who buys the cheapest product they can find and where do the costs get 
> cut to make that price possible?
> The "people" work at cross purposes to themselves.
> Laws are all fine and dandy till the results and costs of enforcement come 
> in...no business operates in a vacuum, nor can it.
>   Gov't sneaks around the back door to resolve conflicting consumer 
> demands, making a "show" for the voters who want and vote for the impossible.
> 
> >   You have it all backwards Ode.   You say we aren't willing to buy cars 
> > that get 50mpg yet the Toyota Prius hybrid is one of the biggest sellers 
> > in America while Ford, GM, and Chrysler loose more market share due to 
> > their lack of quality economical "green" cars.  Give us a good car that 
> > gets 40 - 50mpg and I GUARANTEE you they will sell like hotcakes.
> 
> ##  NOW they will.  With all that hindsight at work.
>   But "Now" due to all the consumers clamoring for big and heavy safety to 
> protect against collisions with big and heavy safe cars, a heavy Prious 
> NEEDS an expensive hybrid setup to get WORSE mileage than the cars that 
> DIDN'T sell back when they WERE made.
> 
> >   People are STUCK with their SUV's, nobody wants them anymore and used 
> > car lots are overflowing with them.I could go on, but the consumer is 
> > NOT "in control" when big business, big pharma, big oil and big 
> > government is DICTATING what is to be available.
> 
> ##  The Gov't dictates to satisfy conflicting consumer demands. [which is 
> the sort of nonsense that make dictates necessary ]
> If consumers had bought what they needed for the *utterly predictable 
> future* rather than for their egoic present "desire", no dictate would have 
> been necessary to make the difficult and expensive possible when cheap and 
> simple economy that already exceeded the dictates was already a proven 
> fact...IN USE.
> So now people are "stuck" with their short sighted decisions and once AGAIN 
> a nearly new 1975 Cadillac Fleetwood will sell for $50...and once AGAIN, 
> I'll not be able to sell that 60,000 mile Buick Electra 225 that was given 
> to me for anything but scrap.
> 3 really big warnings and no one learned a damned thing.
> 
> On top of that, even an SUV can get over 200 miles per gallon, per 
> person.all it takes is some organization and planning,  but "people" 
> just will not do it.
> 
> The Gov't is always 3 steps behind us, trying to make things work in SPITE 
> of what we bought into and want.
> So long as they can rob Peter to pay Paul to get elected to accomplish the 
> impossible and retire before the bill gets passed back to them, they'll do 
> just that.
> "They" are people too.
> "We" claim to love our grand kids, but expect someone else to BEHAVE like 
> that's true.  No different than any politician we hired to be the *us* we 
> deny we are.
> 
> I do not have it backwards.
> Denial has warped reality perception to where the after effect and 
> resultant stop gap emergency dictate, becomes the cause.
> People believe they can live on credit cards too, then blame the banks when 
> they go broke paying the interest they didn't have in their own 
> futures.  [DUH! ]
> Dumb as posts and voting for more of the same, done by a new bunch of 
> representatives to kick later on.
> Meanwhile, the one guy that has the guts to say the Gov't can't do it, 
> [be

Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread Hanneke

Just a reminder...we do have an off topic list!

Hanneke
At 05:30 AM 30/05/2008, you wrote:

The government is 3 steps ahead of us, not 3 steps behind. You have 
to realize who the government is, they don't get elected. What are 
they doing with all that oil up in Alaska, that we'll never see??? 
That's the 4th largest oil deposit in the world and it's just 
sitting there, why? The largest is in Suadi, second largest is Iraq. 
Want to take a guess at where the 3rd largest oil deposit is?? You 
know, the ones we are going to blast next-Iran.


Kurt
 Ode Coyote  wrote:
> At 09:56 PM 5/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >Ode,
> >
> >Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated water,
> > it was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.  Lead
> > paint was illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of
> > knowing there was lead in the paint on their kids toys... the 
governments

> > job it to PROTECT the consumer, and they have failed miserably on almost
> > all fronts.
>
>## The public has failed to fund the consumer protection agency so that
> it CAN do that job.
>   Water consumption averages around 40 gallons per person, but 2 
gallons is
> plenty [especially when you pack it up a hill from the spring on 
your back]

> and can be bought elsewhere.
>
>
>
> >  The EPA has become a criminal organization set up to protect polluters
> > and allow industry to pollute our air, water, and food without 
government

> > interference.  It isn't the consumer that isn't willing to pay the wages
> > needed to make something the right way, it is the EMPLOYERS, the
> > CORPORATIONS that are unwilling to pay the wages necessary.
>
> ## Who buys the cheapest product they can find and where do the costs get
> cut to make that price possible?
> The "people" work at cross purposes to themselves.
> Laws are all fine and dandy till the results and costs of enforcement come
> in...no business operates in a vacuum, nor can it.
>   Gov't sneaks around the back door to resolve conflicting consumer
> demands, making a "show" for the voters who want and vote for the 
impossible.

>
> >   You have it all backwards Ode.   You say we aren't willing to buy cars
> > that get 50mpg yet the Toyota Prius hybrid is one of the biggest sellers
> > in America while Ford, GM, and Chrysler loose more market share due to
> > their lack of quality economical "green" cars.  Give us a good car that
> > gets 40 - 50mpg and I GUARANTEE you they will sell like hotcakes.
>
> ##  NOW they will.  With all that hindsight at work.
>   But "Now" due to all the consumers clamoring for big and heavy safety to
> protect against collisions with big and heavy safe cars, a heavy Prious
> NEEDS an expensive hybrid setup to get WORSE mileage than the cars that
> DIDN'T sell back when they WERE made.
>
> >   People are STUCK with their SUV's, nobody wants them anymore and used
> > car lots are overflowing with them.I could go on, but the 
consumer is

> > NOT "in control" when big business, big pharma, big oil and big
> > government is DICTATING what is to be available.
>
> ##  The Gov't dictates to satisfy conflicting consumer demands. [which is
> the sort of nonsense that make dictates necessary ]
> If consumers had bought what they needed for the *utterly predictable
> future* rather than for their egoic present "desire", no dictate 
would have

> been necessary to make the difficult and expensive possible when cheap and
> simple economy that already exceeded the dictates was already a proven
> fact...IN USE.
> So now people are "stuck" with their short sighted decisions and 
once AGAIN

> a nearly new 1975 Cadillac Fleetwood will sell for $50...and once AGAIN,
> I'll not be able to sell that 60,000 mile Buick Electra 225 that was given
> to me for anything but scrap.
> 3 really big warnings and no one learned a damned thing.
>
> On top of that, even an SUV can get over 200 miles per gallon, per
> person.all it takes is some organization and planning,  but "people"
> just will not do it.
>
> The Gov't is always 3 steps behind us, trying to make things work in SPITE
> of what we bought into and want.
> So long as they can rob Peter to pay Paul to get elected to accomplish the
> impossible and retire before the bill gets passed back to them, they'll do
> just that.
> "They" are people too.
> "We" claim to love our grand kids, but expect someone else to BEHAVE like
> that's true.  No different than any politician we hired to be the *us* we
> deny we are.
>
> I do not have it backwards.
> Denial has warped reality perception to where the after effect and
> resultant stop gap emergency dictate, becomes the cause.
> People believe they can live on credit cards too, then blame the 
banks when

> they go broke paying the interest they didn't have in their own
> futures.  [DUH! ]
> Dumb as posts and voting for more of the same, done by a new bunch of
> representatives to kick later on.
> Meanwhile, the one guy 

Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread Jeff Shepler




    Sure...get your globe out, take the longitudinal line north and
south of Baghdad,  the next phase will be eastward to Alaska. Where
else?  Those earthquakes really softened them up, so cut off the
Iranian pipeline to China. Should be a piece of cake, don't get
excited, think of the opportunities ...the power!!!   Wait a minute,
isn't the world radioactive enough?   Dig..dig dig dig dig a fallout
shelter that is. I'm going to bury an old school bus in concrete, how
deep?

  Shep
  


  The government is 3 steps ahead of us, not 3 steps behind. You have to realize who the government is, they don't get elected. What are they doing with all that oil up in Alaska, that we'll never see??? That's the 4th largest oil deposit in the world and it's just sitting there, why? The largest is in Suadi, second largest is Iraq. Want to take a guess at where the 3rd largest oil deposit is?? You know, the ones we are going to blast next-Iran. 

Kurt
 Ode Coyote  wrote: 
  
  
At 09:56 PM 5/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:



  Ode,

   Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated water, 
it was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.  Lead 
paint was illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of 
knowing there was lead in the paint on their kids toys... the governments 
job it to PROTECT the consumer, and they have failed miserably on almost 
all fronts.
  

   ## The public has failed to fund the consumer protection agency so that 
it CAN do that job.
  Water consumption averages around 40 gallons per person, but 2 gallons is 
plenty [especially when you pack it up a hill from the spring on your back] 
and can be bought elsewhere.





   The EPA has become a criminal organization set up to protect polluters 
and allow industry to pollute our air, water, and food without government 
interference.  It isn't the consumer that isn't willing to pay the wages 
needed to make something the right way, it is the EMPLOYERS, the 
CORPORATIONS that are unwilling to pay the wages necessary.
  

## Who buys the cheapest product they can find and where do the costs get 
cut to make that price possible?
The "people" work at cross purposes to themselves.
Laws are all fine and dandy till the results and costs of enforcement come 
in...no business operates in a vacuum, nor can it.
  Gov't sneaks around the back door to resolve conflicting consumer 
demands, making a "show" for the voters who want and vote for the impossible.



You have it all backwards Ode.   You say we aren't willing to buy cars 
that get 50mpg yet the Toyota Prius hybrid is one of the biggest sellers 
in America while Ford, GM, and Chrysler loose more market share due to 
their lack of quality economical "green" cars.  Give us a good car that 
gets 40 - 50mpg and I GUARANTEE you they will sell like hotcakes.
  

##  NOW they will.  With all that hindsight at work.
  But "Now" due to all the consumers clamoring for big and heavy safety to 
protect against collisions with big and heavy safe cars, a heavy Prious 
NEEDS an expensive hybrid setup to get WORSE mileage than the cars that 
DIDN'T sell back when they WERE made.



People are STUCK with their SUV's, nobody wants them anymore and used 
car lots are overflowing with them.I could go on, but the consumer is 
NOT "in control" when big business, big pharma, big oil and big 
government is DICTATING what is to be available.
  

##  The Gov't dictates to satisfy conflicting consumer demands. [which is 
the sort of nonsense that make dictates necessary ]
If consumers had bought what they needed for the *utterly predictable 
future* rather than for their egoic present "desire", no dictate would have 
been necessary to make the difficult and expensive possible when cheap and 
simple economy that already exceeded the dictates was already a proven 
fact...IN USE.
So now people are "stuck" with their short sighted decisions and once AGAIN 
a nearly new 1975 Cadillac Fleetwood will sell for $50...and once AGAIN, 
I'll not be able to sell that 60,000 mile Buick Electra 225 that was given 
to me for anything but scrap.
3 really big warnings and no one learned a damned thing.

On top of that, even an SUV can get over 200 miles per gallon, per 
person.all it takes is some organization and planning,  but "people" 
just will not do it.

The Gov't is always 3 steps behind us, trying to make things work in SPITE 
of what we bought into and want.
So long as they can rob Peter to pay Paul to get elected to accomplish the 
impossible and retire before the bill gets passed back to them, they'll do 
just that.
"They" are people too.
"We" claim to love our grand kids, but expect someone else to BEHAVE like 
that's true.  No different than any politician we hired to be the *us* we 
deny we are.

I do not have it backwards.
Denial has warped reality perception to where the afte

Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread kmilkowski
Pretty darn, Shepper!

 Jeff Shepler  wrote: 


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread Clayton Family
I'll tell you why.  The decision was made back in the 70's to make sure 
our country had some for the future, and in the meantime, we decided to 
buy oil from the rest of the world. Deplete their reserves, which were 
much larger than ours. I have been out of touch with the industry for 
more than 20 years, so I have no idea about the current state of 
affairs.


It was also decided we would use all those smarts to make more fuel 
efficient cars, furnaces, and decrease our consumption to improve our 
chances at survival in the case of a world war, with the reserves 
waiting for some future day's need.


Ode is correct about how insane it is for people to drive those gas 
guzzling SUV's in the name of safety (big joke, it was not a big 
problem before) when it is really just an ego trip, and putting our own 
desires before what I have seen as a national security issue for our 
grandkids.


This was inevitable.

kathryn

On May 29, 2008, at 3:00 PM,  wrote:

The government is 3 steps ahead of us, not 3 steps behind. You have to 
realize who the government is, they don't get elected. What are they 
doing with all that oil up in Alaska, that we'll never see??? That's 
the 4th largest oil deposit in the world and it's just sitting there, 
why? The largest is in Suadi, second largest is Iraq. Want to take a 
guess at where the 3rd largest oil deposit is?? You know, the ones we 
are going to blast next-Iran.


Kurt
 Ode Coyote  wrote:

At 09:56 PM 5/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:


Ode,

   Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated 
water,

it was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.  Lead
paint was illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of
knowing there was lead in the paint on their kids toys... the 
governments
job it to PROTECT the consumer, and they have failed miserably on 
almost

all fronts.


   ## The public has failed to fund the consumer protection agency so 
that

it CAN do that job.
  Water consumption averages around 40 gallons per person, but 2 
gallons is
plenty [especially when you pack it up a hill from the spring on your 
back]

and can be bought elsewhere.



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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread kmilkowski
You think it was all done in our best interest?? It was done in the elites best 
interest, they don't give a shit about any of us, that's why they're killing us 
off. They have technology that's also been surpressed that would eneable a big 
ol' SUV to go 300 miles on a single gallon of gas. So who's interests do they 
have in mind by keeping that a secret??

Kurt
 Clayton Family  wrote: 
> I'll tell you why.  The decision was made back in the 70's to make sure 
> our country had some for the future, and in the meantime, we decided to 
> buy oil from the rest of the world. Deplete their reserves, which were 
> much larger than ours. I have been out of touch with the industry for 
> more than 20 years, so I have no idea about the current state of 
> affairs.
> 
> It was also decided we would use all those smarts to make more fuel 
> efficient cars, furnaces, and decrease our consumption to improve our 
> chances at survival in the case of a world war, with the reserves 
> waiting for some future day's need.
> 
> Ode is correct about how insane it is for people to drive those gas 
> guzzling SUV's in the name of safety (big joke, it was not a big 
> problem before) when it is really just an ego trip, and putting our own 
> desires before what I have seen as a national security issue for our 
> grandkids.
> 
> This was inevitable.
> 
> kathryn
> 
> On May 29, 2008, at 3:00 PM,  wrote:
> 
> > The government is 3 steps ahead of us, not 3 steps behind. You have to 
> > realize who the government is, they don't get elected. What are they 
> > doing with all that oil up in Alaska, that we'll never see??? That's 
> > the 4th largest oil deposit in the world and it's just sitting there, 
> > why? The largest is in Suadi, second largest is Iraq. Want to take a 
> > guess at where the 3rd largest oil deposit is?? You know, the ones we 
> > are going to blast next-Iran.
> >
> > Kurt
> >  Ode Coyote  wrote:
> >> At 09:56 PM 5/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ode,
> >>>
> >>>Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated 
> >>> water,
> >>> it was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.  Lead
> >>> paint was illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of
> >>> knowing there was lead in the paint on their kids toys... the 
> >>> governments
> >>> job it to PROTECT the consumer, and they have failed miserably on 
> >>> almost
> >>> all fronts.
> >>
> >>## The public has failed to fund the consumer protection agency so 
> >> that
> >> it CAN do that job.
> >>   Water consumption averages around 40 gallons per person, but 2 
> >> gallons is
> >> plenty [especially when you pack it up a hill from the spring on your 
> >> back]
> >> and can be bought elsewhere.
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread Jeff Shepler
  I agree with the libertarian pull your own damn ass up by your boot 
straps, and if you don't comprehend usury and it's enslavement ? It's 
for sure the banksters aren't going to fill you in. Henry Ford said the 
best invention in the world was 6% compound interest.
  I paid cash for my home and have been spending the interest I would 
have paid to some fat pencil pushing slob fixing it up and can say it 
was a good move.
 I do borrow money for cars unfortunately,  2 more years and we'll have 
her 2006 VW Beetle 1.9 diesel ( 50mpg) paid. I'd sell for what I paid 
HAHA ...I asked my brother way back (accountant works for Marathon) if 
gas was ever going down and he just laughed evilly and said probably 
not. They are investing billions up in the ND huge oil field w/new 
horizontal drilling techniques.


   Shep




I'll tell you why.  The decision was made back in the 70's to make 
sure our country had some for the future, and in the meantime, we 
decided to buy oil from the rest of the world. Deplete their reserves, 
which were much larger than ours. I have been out of touch with the 
industry for more than 20 years, so I have no idea about the current 
state of affairs.


It was also decided we would use all those smarts to make more fuel 
efficient cars, furnaces, and decrease our consumption to improve our 
chances at survival in the case of a world war, with the reserves 
waiting for some future day's need.


Ode is correct about how insane it is for people to drive those gas 
guzzling SUV's in the name of safety (big joke, it was not a big 
problem before) when it is really just an ego trip, and putting our 
own desires before what I have seen as a national security issue for 
our grandkids.


This was inevitable.

kathryn

On May 29, 2008, at 3:00 PM,  wrote:

The government is 3 steps ahead of us, not 3 steps behind. You have 
to realize who the government is, they don't get elected. What are 
they doing with all that oil up in Alaska, that we'll never see??? 
That's the 4th largest oil deposit in the world and it's just sitting 
there, why? The largest is in Suadi, second largest is Iraq. Want to 
take a guess at where the 3rd largest oil deposit is?? You know, the 
ones we are going to blast next-Iran.


Kurt
 Ode Coyote  wrote:

At 09:56 PM 5/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:


Ode,

   Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated 
water,

it was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.  Lead
paint was illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of
knowing there was lead in the paint on their kids toys... the 
governments
job it to PROTECT the consumer, and they have failed miserably on 
almost

all fronts.


   ## The public has failed to fund the consumer protection agency 
so that

it CAN do that job.
  Water consumption averages around 40 gallons per person, but 2 
gallons is
plenty [especially when you pack it up a hill from the spring on 
your back]

and can be bought elsewhere.



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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread Faith Gagne


What does this message have to do with CS anyway?  I am really tired of this 
discussion.  Faith G.



- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Shepler" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


  I agree with the libertarian pull your own damn ass up by your boot 
straps, and if you don't comprehend usury and it's enslavement ? It's for 
sure the banksters aren't going to fill you in. Henry Ford said the best 
invention in the world was 6% compound interest.
  I paid cash for my home and have been spending the interest I would have 
paid to some fat pencil pushing slob fixing it up and can say it was a 
good move.
 I do borrow money for cars unfortunately,  2 more years and we'll have 
her 2006 VW Beetle 1.9 diesel ( 50mpg) paid. I'd sell for what I paid HAHA 
...I asked my brother way back (accountant works for Marathon) if gas was 
ever going down and he just laughed evilly and said probably not. They are 
investing billions up in the ND huge oil field w/new horizontal drilling 
techniques.


   Shep




I'll tell you why.  The decision was made back in the 70's to make sure 
our country had some for the future, and in the meantime, we decided to 
buy oil from the rest of the world. Deplete their reserves, which were 
much larger than ours. I have been out of touch with the industry for 
more than 20 years, so I have no idea about the current state of affairs.


It was also decided we would use all those smarts to make more fuel 
efficient cars, furnaces, and decrease our consumption to improve our 
chances at survival in the case of a world war, with the reserves waiting 
for some future day's need.


Ode is correct about how insane it is for people to drive those gas 
guzzling SUV's in the name of safety (big joke, it was not a big problem 
before) when it is really just an ego trip, and putting our own desires 
before what I have seen as a national security issue for our grandkids.


This was inevitable.

kathryn

On May 29, 2008, at 3:00 PM,  wrote:

The government is 3 steps ahead of us, not 3 steps behind. You have to 
realize who the government is, they don't get elected. What are they 
doing with all that oil up in Alaska, that we'll never see??? That's the 
4th largest oil deposit in the world and it's just sitting there, why? 
The largest is in Suadi, second largest is Iraq. Want to take a guess at 
where the 3rd largest oil deposit is?? You know, the ones we are going 
to blast next-Iran.


Kurt
 Ode Coyote  wrote:

At 09:56 PM 5/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:


Ode,

   Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated 
water,

it was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.  Lead
paint was illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of
knowing there was lead in the paint on their kids toys... the 
governments
job it to PROTECT the consumer, and they have failed miserably on 
almost

all fronts.


   ## The public has failed to fund the consumer protection agency so 
that

it CAN do that job.
  Water consumption averages around 40 gallons per person, but 2 
gallons is
plenty [especially when you pack it up a hill from the spring on your 
back]

and can be bought elsewhere.



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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-29 Thread Jeff Shepler
  Sorry I'm new, don't want to step on any toes here, the discussion 
was intriguing for me, although off topic. The genius of the chemical 
lobotomizing  is the almost complete control with no self realization. 
It was one of the best attacks on the zombie slave system I've seen. 
This system is why we have to go underground to discuss CS etc. Now do 
you see grasshopper? I have a silver puppy, BTW..Shepdog and his silver 
puppy   hahahahah


What does this message have to do with CS anyway?  I am really tired 
of this discussion.  Faith G.



- Original Message - From: "Jeff Shepler" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


  I agree with the libertarian pull your own damn ass up by your boot 
straps, and if you don't comprehend usury and it's enslavement ? It's 
for sure the banksters aren't going to fill you in. Henry Ford said 
the best invention in the world was 6% compound interest.
  I paid cash for my home and have been spending the interest I would 
have paid to some fat pencil pushing slob fixing it up and can say it 
was a good move.
 I do borrow money for cars unfortunately,  2 more years and we'll 
have her 2006 VW Beetle 1.9 diesel ( 50mpg) paid. I'd sell for what I 
paid HAHA ...I asked my brother way back (accountant works for 
Marathon) if gas was ever going down and he just laughed evilly and 
said probably not. They are investing billions up in the ND huge oil 
field w/new horizontal drilling techniques.


   Shep




I'll tell you why.  The decision was made back in the 70's to make 
sure our country had some for the future, and in the meantime, we 
decided to buy oil from the rest of the world. Deplete their 
reserves, which were much larger than ours. I have been out of touch 
with the industry for more than 20 years, so I have no idea about 
the current state of affairs.


It was also decided we would use all those smarts to make more fuel 
efficient cars, furnaces, and decrease our consumption to improve 
our chances at survival in the case of a world war, with the 
reserves waiting for some future day's need.


Ode is correct about how insane it is for people to drive those gas 
guzzling SUV's in the name of safety (big joke, it was not a big 
problem before) when it is really just an ego trip, and putting our 
own desires before what I have seen as a national security issue for 
our grandkids.


This was inevitable.

kathryn

On May 29, 2008, at 3:00 PM,  wrote:

The government is 3 steps ahead of us, not 3 steps behind. You have 
to realize who the government is, they don't get elected. What are 
they doing with all that oil up in Alaska, that we'll never see??? 
That's the 4th largest oil deposit in the world and it's just 
sitting there, why? The largest is in Suadi, second largest is 
Iraq. Want to take a guess at where the 3rd largest oil deposit 
is?? You know, the ones we are going to blast next-Iran.


Kurt
 Ode Coyote  wrote:

At 09:56 PM 5/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:


Ode,

   Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated 
water,
it was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.  
Lead

paint was illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of
knowing there was lead in the paint on their kids toys... the 
governments
job it to PROTECT the consumer, and they have failed miserably on 
almost

all fronts.


   ## The public has failed to fund the consumer protection agency 
so that

it CAN do that job.
  Water consumption averages around 40 gallons per person, but 2 
gallons is
plenty [especially when you pack it up a hill from the spring on 
your back]

and can be bought elsewhere.



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RE: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread bob Larson
...this is pretty far from "underground" actually.

> -Original Message-
> This system is why we have to go underground to discuss CS etc. Now do 
> you see grasshopper?


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Jeff Shepler




bob Larson wrote:

  ...this is pretty far from "underground" actually.

"didgital alternitive undergroung"???  geez
  
-Original Message-
This system is why we have to go underground to discuss CS etc. Now do 
you see grasshopper?

  
  

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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread kmilkowski
Yeah, be careful here Shep, there are a few english teachers around.
:)
 marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original message from Jeff Shepler : 
> -- 
> 
> "didgital alternitive undergroung"???  geez
> 
>  Did you mean *digital alternative underground*?  Pretty funny, 
> considering the topic.  MA
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Dee
But didn't America *always* have huge cars? In the seventies, I had a
Chevrolet Camarro, a Dodge van, and a Mach 1 Mustang, and my son had a Dodge
Challenger; all huge and from America and all massively gas guzzling. Dee 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Clayton Family 

Date: 05/29/08 22:25:27 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika 

 

Ode is correct about how insane it is for people to drive those gas 

Guzzling SUV's in the name of safety (big joke, it was not a big 

Problem before) when it is really just an ego trip, and putting our own 

Desires before what I have seen as a national security issue for our 

Grandkids. 

 

This was inevitable. 

 

Kathryn 

 


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Faith Gagne

Then I guess you had some too.  Faith g.


- Original Message - 
From: "Dee " 

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika



But didn't America *always* have huge cars? In the seventies, I had a
Chevrolet Camarro, a Dodge van, and a Mach 1 Mustang, and my son had a 
Dodge

Challenger; all huge and from America and all massively gas guzzling. Dee



---Original Message--- 




From: Clayton Family

Date: 05/29/08 22:25:27

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika



Ode is correct about how insane it is for people to drive those gas

Guzzling SUV's in the name of safety (big joke, it was not a big

Problem before) when it is really just an ego trip, and putting our own

Desires before what I have seen as a national security issue for our

Grandkids.



This was inevitable.



Kathryn




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RE: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Judy K
Some of us drove a VW microbus --
JudyDownMaine

-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


But didn't America *always* have huge cars? In the seventies, I had a
Chevrolet Camarro, a Dodge van, and a Mach 1 Mustang, and my son had a Dodge
Challenger; all huge and from America and all massively gas guzzling. Dee



---Original Message---



From: Clayton Family

Date: 05/29/08 22:25:27

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika



Ode is correct about how insane it is for people to drive those gas

Guzzling SUV's in the name of safety (big joke, it was not a big

Problem before) when it is really just an ego trip, and putting our own

Desires before what I have seen as a national security issue for our

Grandkids.



This was inevitable.



Kathryn




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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Dee
No we didn't (apart from RRS which ordinary people would not have owned)
which is why we bought them from America; being into the whole 'muscle car'
scene.  This was in the days of romance  when  PC and the whole green thing
wasn't thought of.  At least, not by the masses. Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Faith Gagne
Date: 30/05/2008 15:49:35
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika
 
Then I guess you had some too.  Faith g.
 
 

Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Kirsteen Wright
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Dee  wrote:



>.  This was in the days of romance  when  PC and the whole green thing
> wasn't thought of.  At least, not by the masses. Dee
>
I guess I've always been a bit of an eco freak. I don't drive at all - never
did.

cheers
Kirsteen

>
>
> **
>
>
>


Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Dee
I've always loved driving and always loved cars; since I was a little girl. 
We had the use of a car when no-one else of our station did, so I suppose
this is where the love affair started.  I quite honestly would rather be
dead than unable to drive, extreme as this sounds, I love speed that's all. 
Not PC I'm afraid.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 

I guess I've always been a bit of an eco freak. I don't drive at all - never
did. 
 
cheers
Kirsteen
 
 
 
 
 





 

Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread kmilkowski
I'm with you on the speed thingie! I've always been a speed freak. Had a GTI 
once that would do 120 top speed, used to make record setting trips from New 
York to Vermont.

 Dee   wrote: 
> I've always loved driving and always loved cars; since I was a little girl. 
> We had the use of a car when no-one else of our station did, so I suppose
> this is where the love affair started.  I quite honestly would rather be
> dead than unable to drive, extreme as this sounds, I love speed that's all. 
> Not PC I'm afraid.  Dee 
> 
> 
> 
> ---Original Message---
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I guess I've always been a bit of an eco freak. I don't drive at all - never
> did. 
> 
>  
> 
> cheers
> 
> Kirsteen
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Ode Coyote



  Right..and gone there.

Ode


At 05:42 AM 5/30/2008 +0930, you wrote:


Just a reminder...we do have an off topic list!

Hanneke
At 05:30 AM 30/05/2008, you wrote:

The government is 3 steps ahead of us, not 3 steps behind. You have to 
realize who the government is, they don't get elected. What are they 
doing with all that oil up in Alaska, that we'll never see??? That's the 
4th largest oil deposit in the world and it's just sitting there, why? 
The largest is in Suadi, second largest is Iraq. Want to take a guess at 
where the 3rd largest oil deposit is?? You know, the ones we are going to 
blast next-Iran.


Kurt



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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Clayton Family

and some of us drove mazdas, hondas, datsuns, and toyotas.

On May 30, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Judy K wrote:


Some of us drove a VW microbus --
JudyDownMaine

-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


But didn't America *always* have huge cars? In the seventies, I had a
Chevrolet Camarro, a Dodge van, and a Mach 1 Mustang, and my son had a 
Dodge
Challenger; all huge and from America and all massively gas guzzling. 
Dee





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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Ode Coyote



  Shep is about intelligent independence through inquisitiveness and 
progressive learning that allows side stepping the rules.
 Making your own CS is one of those side steps that a total drone would 
never attempt.


When people give responsibility to others, they automatically give those 
others the need to rule, then complain when they do.


If you have to borrow money, no, you can't afford it.
Planning behind?

Ode


At 11:07 PM 5/29/2008 -0400, you wrote:

  Sorry I'm new, don't want to step on any toes here, the discussion was 
intriguing for me, although off topic. The genius of the chemical 
lobotomizing  is the almost complete control with no self realization. It 
was one of the best attacks on the zombie slave system I've seen. This 
system is why we have to go underground to discuss CS etc. Now do you see 
grasshopper? I have a silver puppy, BTW..Shepdog and his silver 
puppy   hahahahah


What does this message have to do with CS anyway?  I am really tired of 
this discussion.  Faith G.



- Original Message - From: "Jeff Shepler" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


  I agree with the libertarian pull your own damn ass up by your boot 
straps, and if you don't comprehend usury and it's enslavement ? It's 
for sure the banksters aren't going to fill you in. Henry Ford said the 
best invention in the world was 6% compound interest.
  I paid cash for my home and have been spending the interest I would 
have paid to some fat pencil pushing slob fixing it up and can say it 
was a good move.
 I do borrow money for cars unfortunately,  2 more years and we'll have 
her 2006 VW Beetle 1.9 diesel ( 50mpg) paid. I'd sell for what I paid 
HAHA ...I asked my brother way back (accountant works for Marathon) if 
gas was ever going down and he just laughed evilly and said probably 
not. They are investing billions up in the ND huge oil field w/new 
horizontal drilling techniques.


   Shep




I'll tell you why.  The decision was made back in the 70's to make sure 
our country had some for the future, and in the meantime, we decided to 
buy oil from the rest of the world. Deplete their reserves, which were 
much larger than ours. I have been out of touch with the industry for 
more than 20 years, so I have no idea about the current state of affairs.


It was also decided we would use all those smarts to make more fuel 
efficient cars, furnaces, and decrease our consumption to improve our 
chances at survival in the case of a world war, with the reserves 
waiting for some future day's need.


Ode is correct about how insane it is for people to drive those gas 
guzzling SUV's in the name of safety (big joke, it was not a big 
problem before) when it is really just an ego trip, and putting our own 
desires before what I have seen as a national security issue for our grandkids.


This was inevitable.

kathryn

On May 29, 2008, at 3:00 PM,  wrote:

The government is 3 steps ahead of us, not 3 steps behind. You have to 
realize who the government is, they don't get elected. What are they 
doing with all that oil up in Alaska, that we'll never see??? That's 
the 4th largest oil deposit in the world and it's just sitting there, 
why? The largest is in Suadi, second largest is Iraq. Want to take a 
guess at where the 3rd largest oil deposit is?? You know, the ones we 
are going to blast next-Iran.


Kurt
 Ode Coyote  wrote:

At 09:56 PM 5/27/2008 -0700, you wrote:


Ode,

   Please... I mean get real my friend.  Nobody buys fluoridated water,
it was mandated by criminal elements within our own government.
Lead
paint was illegal BEFORE the recent recalls. Consumers had no way of
knowing there was lead in the paint on their kids toys... the 
governments

job it to PROTECT the consumer, and they have failed miserably on almost
all fronts.


   ## The public has failed to fund the consumer protection agency 
so that

it CAN do that job.
  Water consumption averages around 40 gallons per person, but 2 
gallons is
plenty [especially when you pack it up a hill from the spring on your 
back]

and can be bought elsewhere.



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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Dee
Great!  I hit that in my Subaru the other day (shh!) fantastic car like the
Golf!  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com
Date: 30/05/2008 17:33:27
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Dee
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika
 
I'm with you on the speed thingie! I've always been a speed freak. Had a GTI
once that would do 120 top speed, used to make record setting trips from New
York to Vermont.
 

Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Jeff Shepler




My moms' one too, sister PHD  fluent German among many others

  Yeah, be careful here Shep, there are a few english teachers around.
:)
 marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: 
  
  


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"didgital alternitive undergroung"???  geez

 Did you mean *digital alternative underground*?  Pretty funny, considering the topic.  MA
   




  

  
  

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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread Cathryn Camara
Doesn't this belong on the "off topic" list?
 
 


Cathy

--- On Fri, 5/30/08, Dee <d...@deetroy.org> wrote:

From: Dee <d...@deetroy.org>
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 9:03 AM



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I've always loved driving and always loved cars; since I was a little 
girl.  We had the use of a car when no-one else of our station did, so I 
suppose this is where the love affair started.  I quite honestly would 
rather be dead than unable to drive, extreme as this sounds, I love speed 
that's all.  Not PC I'm afraid.  Dee 
 

---Original Message---
 

 
I guess I've always been a bit of an eco freak. I don't drive at all - 
never did. 
 
cheers
Kirsteen






 

 
 

 
 








 









  

Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread kmilkowski
I drive a jeep now, so I can't drive that fast, 80 tops. A year ago was out in 
montana, rented a charger. The thing flew, was doing 100 as an average speed. 
Montana is a great place to fly! Drove for 2 hours on the highway and saw about 
4 other cars.

 Dee   wrote: 
> Great!  I hit that in my Subaru the other day (shh!) fantastic car like the
> Golf!  Dee 
> 
> 
> 
> ---Original Message---
> 
>  
> 
> From: kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com
> 
> Date: 30/05/2008 17:33:27
> 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> Cc: Dee
> 
> Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika
> 
>  
> 
> I'm with you on the speed thingie! I've always been a speed freak. Had a GTI
> once that would do 120 top speed, used to make record setting trips from New
> York to Vermont.
> 
>  


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-30 Thread T. J. Garland
Those were the days. I once drove a carload of golfing buddies from 
Kingsport, Tn. to Miami in a 1984 BMW 718 in 10 hours total-- you do the 
math--- 
Those who would give up a little Essential Liberty to purchase a little 
Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety--  Benjamin Franklin, 
1755
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Cc: "Dee" 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika


I'm with you on the speed thingie! I've always been a speed freak. Had a 
GTI once that would do 120 top speed, used to make record setting trips 
from New York to Vermont.


 Dee   wrote:
I've always loved driving and always loved cars; since I was a little 
girl.

We had the use of a car when no-one else of our station did, so I suppose
this is where the love affair started.  I quite honestly would rather be
dead than unable to drive, extreme as this sounds, I love speed that's 
all.

Not PC I'm afraid.  Dee



---Original Message---





I guess I've always been a bit of an eco freak. I don't drive at all - 
never

did.



cheers

Kirsteen

























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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-31 Thread Tad Winiecki


On May 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Dee wrote:

I've always loved driving and always loved cars; since I was a little 
girl.  We had the use of a car when no-one else of our station did, so 
I suppose this is where the love affair started.  I quite honestly 
would rather be dead than unable to drive, extreme as this sounds, I 
love speed that's all.  Not PC I'm afraid.  Dee

 


I prefer bicycles but sadly live in an area with no shoulders and steep 
hills and haven't ridden much for a long time.  I would like to have a 
recumbent tricycle if I lived where I could use one.


Nancy


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RE: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-31 Thread Judy K
Why is this still on the CS list? It belongs off-topic
Judy Down Maine


-Original Message-
From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika



On May 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Dee wrote:

> I've always loved driving and always loved cars; since I was a little
> girl.  We had the use of a car when no-one else of our station did, so
> I suppose this is where the love affair started.  I quite honestly
> would rather be dead than unable to drive, extreme as this sounds, I
> love speed that's all.  Not PC I'm afraid.  Dee
>  

I prefer bicycles but sadly live in an area with no shoulders and steep
hills and haven't ridden much for a long time.  I would like to have a
recumbent tricycle if I lived where I could use one.

Nancy


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-31 Thread T. J. Garland

We're all too lazy to change the heading .
Those who would give up a little Essential Liberty to purchase a little 
Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety--  Benjamin Franklin, 
1755
- Original Message - 
From: "Judy K" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika



Why is this still on the CS list? It belongs off-topic
Judy Down Maine


-Original Message-
From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika



On May 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Dee wrote:


I've always loved driving and always loved cars; since I was a little
girl. We had the use of a car when no-one else of our station did, so
I suppose this is where the love affair started. I quite honestly
would rather be dead than unable to drive, extreme as this sounds, I
love speed that's all. Not PC I'm afraid. Dee



I prefer bicycles but sadly live in an area with no shoulders and steep
hills and haven't ridden much for a long time.  I would like to have a
recumbent tricycle if I lived where I could use one.

Nancy


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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika

2008-05-31 Thread Faith Gagne

Speak for yorself.  Faith g.


- Original Message - 
From: "T. J. Garland" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika



We're all too lazy to change the heading .
Those who would give up a little Essential Liberty to purchase a little
Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety--  Benjamin Franklin,
1755
- Original Message - 
From: "Judy K" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika



Why is this still on the CS list? It belongs off-topic
Judy Down Maine



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RE: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika or sumpthin' lik dat

2008-05-30 Thread Dan Nave
In 1964 my family drove a VW microbus from India to Holland.

It still had the smaller engine at that time.  Going up the Khyber pass,

a fellow on a 10 speed bicycle passed us.

Can't make that trip now...

Dan 
 
> -Original Message-
> From: Judy K [mailto:judydownma...@roadrunner.com] 
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:40 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika
> 
> Some of us drove a VW microbus --
> JudyDownMaine
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:09 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika
> 
> 
> But didn't America *always* have huge cars? In the seventies, 
> I had a Chevrolet Camarro, a Dodge van, and a Mach 1 Mustang, 
> and my son had a Dodge Challenger; all huge and from America 
> and all massively gas guzzling. Dee
> 
> 
> 
> ---Original Message---
> 
> 
> 
> From: Clayton Family
> 
> Date: 05/29/08 22:25:27
> 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> Subject: Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika
> 
> 
> 
> Ode is correct about how insane it is for people to drive those gas
> 
> Guzzling SUV's in the name of safety (big joke, it was not a big
> 
> Problem before) when it is really just an ego trip, and 
> putting our own
> 
> Desires before what I have seen as a national security issue for our
> 
> Grandkids.
> 
> 
> 
> This was inevitable.
> 
> 
> 
> Kathryn
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> 
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Re: CS>Chemical Dumbing Down of Amerika or sumpthin' lik dat

2008-05-30 Thread Clayton Family
That made me laugh. In high school a group of us used to like 
backpacking in the Sierras, and used to go up the mountains in an old 
Vw microbus- we got passed by nearly everyone.  The small cars got good 
mileage, but did not go uphill fast for very long.


On May 30, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Dan Nave wrote:

In 1964 my family drove a VW microbus from India to Holland.  It still 
had the smaller engine at that time.  Going up the Khyber pass, a 
fellow on a 10 speed bicycle passed us.  Can't make that trip now...


Dan


-Original Message-
From: Judy K [mailto:judydownma...@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:40 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Some of us drove a VW microbus --
JudyDownMaine





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