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I have been searching for information on our bodies requirements for vitamins, minerals and trace minerals. The information I have so far found has been very sketchy and conflicted. I do understand that the RDI currently used are probably incorrect. I have been trying to find what our body really needs, and which can be taken in larger doses. For me the ideal would be food based, and I will adjust my diet accordingly. I truly believe food is medicine. However, I would certainly be open to vitamins where I would be unable to eat enough in a day. Another thing I am really looking for is info on what happens to vitamins in the cooking, canning and freezing process, so I can compensate properly. I am also interested in juicing, and have found a juicer that stays cool (it won't fit the budget yet, maybe by next fall), but I am curious about which vitamins make it through the juicer and which end up in the pulp, and if there is a way to get the pulp into me or does it just have to get thrown out. I would be interested in any info you can send me, and any links as well. And don't worry about sending me too much info, as this is the main focus of my spare time, and I love to read and learn. I will send this not to you personally and to the group, but feel free to email me privately with info if you prefer. -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>taking supplements Thora said: > I never have taken vitamins until recently, and that sporadically. Actually, although vitamins are important, they are used by the body to utilize minerals (plus other functions). We are MADE of minerals. Some years ago I searched the net to find a good source of minerals. My criteria was that I wanted a supplement that contained as many minerals as possible (a comprehensive mineral formula), that was liquid (the most assimilable form), that was organic minerals (as opposed to metallic minerals) and that was reasonably priced. I found a dozen companies (at least) that claimed to sell such a product. I bought from a number of them, drank it like water and observed my body's response. Only two of the products I tested on myself had any affect on me. The rest had as much affect as if I was just drinking lemonade (in fact, I think in some of them, that IS all I was drinking!). The two products were a liquid mineral supplement offered by a multi-level company called New Vision. They recommended you drink one ounce per day (one bottle per month), but I found that it didn't really improve things until you drank 2 - 4 ounces per day. At $36 per bottle (Canadian), that added up pretty quick. The other product is called Concentrace, sold by a company called Trace Minerals Research, in Utah. They are NOT multi-level, and turn out to be the most economical mineral product I've seen on the market. Also the most comprehensive mineral supplement I've found. Concentrace contains every single mineral needed by the human body (well over 100). (Since these minerals are in trace amounts, this is not a good supplement to fill your calcium needs, or any other macro-minerals.) It is also the most concentrated mineral supplement on the market. The recommended daily dose is 1/4 tsp, 2xday. Of course, you can exceed that dose and benefit even more. I have clients who ingest one tsp, 2xday. They tell me they do this because they have so demineralized their bodies in the last 30 or more years that they want to put it back as fast as possible. 80% of my clients tell me that they experience noticeable health improvements within 24 hours after starting Concentrace (usually improved digestion and regularity, among other things). I approached this company and asked them if I could buy from them wholesale to sell to my clients (who are ALL demineralized). They told me they ONLY sell to Health Food stores. I kept bugging them, and finally got a chance to meet with the owner of the Canadian distribution company. He finally agreed to sell to me, and he tells me I am the only private individual in Canada who is allowed to buy from them (but I also sell more of their product than many HF stores!). Call all the HF stores around you and ask if they carry it. I can sell it to you, but a HF store will sell it cheaper. (I am required to price it higher than a HF store so I am not competing with them.) Even so, a 3-month supply is only $30. I have an article I can send to those who request it which explains the part minerals play in our health. I am told it is quite interesting and informative. (It is, but I am trying to be humble.) Thora, it sounds like, among other things, that you could benefit from a program to remineralize your body. I would highly recommend you acquire some Concentrace for this purpose. Terry Chamberlin, B.Sc., C.N.C., Bioanalyst Metabolic Solutions Institute RR1 Lawrencetown, Nova Scotia B0S 1M0 Canada 902-584-3810 voice/mess
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Rather than merely attaching the urls, I took the liberty of attaching some posts about using Kelp as a mineral source. Lots of good info in the attached posts even though they are a bit out of order. RE: CS>taking supplements From: Thora Rasmussen wrote: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 10:06:55 I have been searching for information on our bodies requirements for vitamins, minerals and trace minerals. >>Re: CS>OT: Semi-coherent Ramblings KELP DOSAGES. From: Brooks Bradley (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:56:16 http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61224.html Dear List members, I have received a blizzard of requests, off-line" for details/suggestions on what dosages for general use. Following is a brief response to Jules, which I hope will be adequate for most of the inquiries. I believe there is small reason to consider kelp as a "mass-related" supplement. That is, I feel the quantities I consume (I weigh 180 lbs, 6' 2" in height) are just as applicable to a 120 personas for me. I know of a Japanese acquaintance who has consumed fresh kelp by the POUND on a daily basis.for many years, with nothing but splendid results. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Dear Jules, I take one heaping tablespoon, mixed with one heaping tablespoon of granulated lecithin, twice daily. The only truly acceptable technique (for me) is to place both in the mouth, simultaneously and mix with enough water to form a slurry by swishing aroundnext, just wash down progressively with a glass of water. The lecithin is a natural emulsifier and enables a smooth passage of the composite mixture. Attempting to take a heaping tablespoon of granulated kelp---alone---is quite challenging, as kelp is quite hygroscopic. I have used liquid kelp as a foliar fertilizer for 25 years. It has proven to be an excellent amendmentfor all classes of plants. Actually, my best protocol involves the combination of liquid kelp (I use Maxicrop, primarily because it is very soluble, is a reliable/repeatable product), H202 and black molasses. One effective mix includes 2 ounces of concentrated (liquid)kelp diluted in one gallon of water, together with one cup of unprocessed molasses and two ounces of 3.5% hydrogen peroxide. Using a conventional garden sprayer adjusted to coarse mistcover the foliage to the point of moisture run-off. Kelp is excellent for rabbits. An easy method of supplying it is through using the liquid kelp at about one teaspoon per ½ gallon of drinking water.supplied free choice for your rabbits. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. The best bargain is found through purchasing the water soluble powder, rather than the pre-packaged liquid form. wwen...@aol.com wrote: > Brooks, > > Thorvin kelp is an excellent value. What dosage do you use for > consumption? Do you have experience using it on the garden? Why is it > not recommended for rabbits? (my only livestock). > > Thanks for everything, > > Jules Re: CS>OT: Semi-coherent Ramblings From: Brooks Bradley (view other messages by this author) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:35:57 http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61175.html Dear Frank, Yes, we have had some 8 different sources of kelp subjected to "full spectrum" analysis (about 5 years ago). All of them contained microscopic quantities of arsenic, mercury, and lead. However, only one contained levels high enough to be considered "biologically significant" (1.0 ppb mercury, .5 ppb lead, and .75 ppb arsenic). The actual analyses were conducted by one of our better equipped commercial labs in the area. A single source proved to be, almost, "clean"to the extent that it contained very small traces of these metals. The percentages were, essentially, below that of "open sea" values (being in the low fractional region of parts per billion). That source was Thorvin kelp, gathered and dehydrated by a firm in Iceland. We have, for many years, utilized this, specific, substance in many human volunteer-based trials. Some years ago, during a series of large animal feeding evaluations, we conducted some tests in an attempt to determine the acceptable levels of these...and several othertoxic metals that naturally occur in the environment. One surprising revelation was that the occurrence of arsenic in a sequestered biological environment (organic sources of animal feed) was, almost, an order of magnitude less toxicthan the isolated metal fraction itself. We did not pursue a definitive answer as to the exact cause or mechanismat the time... and consider it beyond our purview at present. What I relate is from memory, and somewhat faulty at best. However, Additi
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Kelp has a high level of Arsenate. Look at www.solidgoldhealth.com 's Seaweed blend. It is balanced for the high arsenate content of kelp alone. Garnet On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 13:05, Dan Nave wrote: > Rather than merely attaching the urls, I took the liberty of attaching some > posts about using Kelp as a mineral source. Lots of good info in the > attached posts even though they are a bit out of order. > > > > > RE: CS>taking supplements > > From: Thora Rasmussen wrote: > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 10:06:55 > > I have been searching for information on our bodies requirements for > vitamins, minerals and trace minerals. > > >>Re: CS>OT: Semi-coherent Ramblings KELP DOSAGES. > > From: Brooks Bradley (view other messages by this author) > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:56:16 > > http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61224.html > > Dear List members, > I have received a blizzard of requests, off-line" for > details/suggestions on what dosages for general use. Following is a > brief response to Jules, which I hope will be adequate for most of the > inquiries. I believe there is small reason to consider > kelp as a "mass-related" supplement. That is, I feel the quantities I > consume (I weigh 180 lbs, 6' 2" in height) are just as applicable to a > 120 personas for me. I know of a Japanese acquaintance who has > consumed fresh kelp by the POUND on a daily basis.for many years, > with nothing but splendid results. > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. > > Dear Jules, > > I take one heaping tablespoon, mixed with one heaping tablespoon of > granulated lecithin, twice daily. The only truly acceptable technique > (for me) is to place both in the mouth, simultaneously and mix with > enough water to form a slurry by swishing aroundnext, just wash down > progressively with a glass of water. The lecithin is a natural > emulsifier and enables a smooth passage of the composite mixture. > Attempting to take a heaping tablespoon of granulated kelp---alone---is > quite challenging, as kelp is quite hygroscopic. >I have used liquid kelp as a foliar fertilizer for 25 years. It > has proven to be an excellent amendmentfor all classes of plants. > Actually, my best protocol involves the combination of liquid kelp (I > use Maxicrop, primarily because it is very soluble, is a > reliable/repeatable product), H202 and black molasses. One effective > mix includes 2 ounces of concentrated (liquid)kelp diluted in one gallon > of water, together with one cup of unprocessed molasses and two ounces > of 3.5% hydrogen peroxide. Using a > conventional garden sprayer adjusted to coarse mistcover the foliage > to the point of moisture run-off. >Kelp is excellent for rabbits. An easy method of supplying it is > through using the liquid kelp at about one teaspoon per ½ gallon of > drinking water.supplied free choice for your rabbits. > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. > p.s. The best bargain is found through purchasing the water soluble > powder, rather than the pre-packaged liquid form. > > wwen...@aol.com wrote: > > Brooks, > > > > Thorvin kelp is an excellent value. What dosage do you use for > > consumption? Do you have experience using it on the garden? Why is it > > not recommended for rabbits? (my only livestock). > > > > Thanks for everything, > > > > Jules > > Re: CS>OT: Semi-coherent Ramblings > > From: Brooks Bradley (view other messages by this author) > Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:35:57 > > http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61175.html > > Dear Frank, > Yes, we have had some 8 different sources of kelp subjected to "full > spectrum" analysis (about 5 years ago). All of them contained > microscopic quantities of arsenic, mercury, and lead. However, only > one contained levels high enough to be considered "biologically > significant" (1.0 ppb mercury, .5 ppb lead, and .75 ppb arsenic). The > actual analyses were conducted by one of our better equipped commercial > labs in the area. A single source proved to be, almost, "clean"to > the extent that it contained very small traces of these metals. The > percentages were, essentially, below that of "open sea" values (being in > the low fractional region of parts per billion). That source was > Thorvin kelp, gathered and dehydrated by a firm in Iceland. We have, > for many years, utilized this, specific, substance in many human > volunteer-based trials. Some years
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Hi Thora, A good friend of mine had a book about this very subject. I don't know what it was titled or who the author was but I jotted down a number of things in the amounts he suggests we need to be healthy as opposed to the RDA which is what we need to keep from being sick. I just ran across the list last week as I was straightening up (no small chore). When I get home I will pull it out and try and get it posted in a day or so. Ted --- "Thora Rasmussen muggies-at-rockies.net |SilverList|" wrote: > I have been searching for information on our bodies > requirements for > vitamins, minerals and trace minerals. The > information I have so far found > has been very sketchy and conflicted. I do > understand that the RDI > currently used are probably incorrect. I have been > trying to find what our > body really needs, and which can be taken in larger > doses. For me the ideal > would be food based, and I will adjust my diet > accordingly. I truly believe > food is medicine. However, I would certainly be > open to vitamins where I > would be unable to eat enough in a day. Another > thing I am really looking > for is info on what happens to vitamins in the > cooking, canning and freezing > process, so I can compensate properly. I am also > interested in juicing, and > have found a juicer that stays cool (it won't fit > the budget yet, maybe by > next fall), but I am curious about which vitamins > make it through the juicer > and which end up in the pulp, and if there is a way > to get the pulp into me > or does it just have to get thrown out. > > I would be interested in any info you can send me, > and any links as well. > And don't worry about sending me too much info, as > this is the main focus of > my spare time, and I love to read and learn. > > I will send this not to you personally and to the > group, but feel free to > email me privately with info if you prefer. > > -Original Message- > From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:04 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>taking supplements > > > Thora said: > > I never have taken vitamins until recently, and > that > sporadically. > > Actually, although vitamins are important, they are > used by the body to utilize minerals (plus other > functions). We are MADE of minerals. > > Some years ago I searched the net to find a good > source of minerals. My criteria was that I wanted a > supplement that contained as many minerals as > possible > (a comprehensive mineral formula), that was liquid > (the most assimilable form), that was organic > minerals > (as opposed to metallic minerals) and that was > reasonably priced. > > I found a dozen companies (at least) that claimed to > sell such a product. I bought from a number of them, > drank it like water and observed my body's response. > > Only two of the products I tested on myself had any > affect on me. The rest had as much affect as if I > was > just drinking lemonade (in fact, I think in some of > them, that IS all I was drinking!). > > The two products were a liquid mineral supplement > offered by a multi-level company called New Vision. > They recommended you drink one ounce per day (one > bottle per month), but I found that it didn't really > improve things until you drank 2 - 4 ounces per day. > At $36 per bottle (Canadian), that added up pretty > quick. The other product is called Concentrace, sold > by a company called Trace Minerals Research, in > Utah. > They are NOT multi-level, and turn out to be the > most > economical mineral product I've seen on the market. > Also the most comprehensive mineral supplement I've > found. Concentrace contains every single mineral > needed by the human body (well over 100). (Since > these > minerals are in trace amounts, this is not a good > supplement to fill your calcium needs, or any other > macro-minerals.) It is also the most concentrated > mineral supplement on the market. The recommended > daily dose is 1/4 tsp, 2xday. Of course, you can > exceed that dose and benefit even more. I have > clients > who ingest one tsp, 2xday. They tell me they do this > because they have so demineralized their bodies in > the > last 30 or more years that they want to put it back > as > fast as possible. > > 80% of my clients tell me that they experience > noticeable health improvements within 24 hours after > starting Concentrace (usually improved digestion and > regularity, among other things). > > I approached this company and asked them if I could > buy from them wholesale to sell to my clients (who > are > ALL demineralized). They told me they ONLY sell to > Health Food stores. I kept bugging them, and finally > got a chance to meet with the owner of the Canadian > distribution company. He finally agreed to sell to > me, > and he tells me I am the only private individual in > Canada who is allowed to buy from them (but I also > sell more of their product than many HF stores!). > > Call all
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What your body needs changes with your activity level, stress, emotional state and time of year. Surround yourself with healthy foods and see what your body "tells" you to eat. Please be aware that the source of many supplements are toxic. Unless they are FULLY labeled please do not assume they are safe.Also many supplements do not absorb. Better to spend your money on organic and natural food based sources. **It is possible to get all you need in the way of basic nutrition from food.** You may have to search and store or grow some of your own. It is very easy to unbalance your vitamins and minerals with supplements. Food on the other hand is a more balanced source. Drinking 1/2 gallon of water plus or minus is very good for you, but it needs to be pure water. I use a $99 distiller from www.wholesalewaterdistillers.com even though I have pure well water. I do not want to ingest the inorganic minerals in my water. Too hard to digest and very little is actually absorbed in this form. I can make a gallon of pure water in 3-4 hours. Juicing is a good way to get supernutrition. Be cautious though with your use of fruits, they are way too sugar intensive for many people. Even fruit sugars will spike your insulin and lead to insulin resistance. Some metabolic types should avoid all fruits and sugars. www.mercola.com has some good info. Also not everyone can handle a raw foods diet, depends on your digestive function. Juices help here too, being an easily assimilated form of raw good. They are mineral rich, particularly the dark leafy greens. Soup stocks made from bones with a bit of vinegar are also mineral rich. Be sure to use organic or natural meat. The pulp from juicing can be eaten like a porridge or added to soups and sauces. You will learn the signs of depletion of certain nutrients. Mg deficiency will lead to muscle spasms and twitches. It is heavily depelted in stress as it is rapidly dumped in the sweat in repsonse to cortisol release from the adrenals. This serves the fight or flight repsonse, making muscles hard and ready. Calcium depeltion can lead to difficulty sleeping and works with Mg. Silicon, a trace mineral, potentiates the absorption and utilization of Mg and Ca. It is present in onions, best if eaten raw or lightly cooked, it is in the thin membrane between layers. Also in whole grains. Eating lots of onions makes my thin brittle nails hard, thick and fast growing. Studies have borne this out in race horses whose hoofs and bones show the results - based on studies at the U of WI and summarised in Equus December 2002. Seaweed, particularly Nori, is an excellent plant based source of minerals. High in Mg. I keep a shaker bottle on the table, it has a sort of shrimp like taste. Seeds and nuts are also nutrient dense. Stop worrying about fats, even butter is good for you! Just keep it in balance for your metabolic type and activity level. Get your body toned, muscle burns many more calories than fat, even at rest. Just some of what I have learned from the past 30 years of searching. I started out as a supplement junkie. I wasted alot of money and time. Good Luck! Garnet On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 12:03, Thora Rasmussen wrote: > I have been searching for information on our bodies requirements for > vitamins, minerals and trace minerals. The information I have so far found > has been very sketchy and conflicted. I do understand that the RDI > currently used are probably incorrect. I have been trying to find what our > body really needs, and which can be taken in larger doses. For me the ideal > would be food based, and I will adjust my diet accordingly. I truly believe > food is medicine. However, I would certainly be open to vitamins where I > would be unable to eat enough in a day. Another thing I am really looking > for is info on what happens to vitamins in the cooking, canning and freezing > process, so I can compensate properly. I am also interested in juicing, and > have found a juicer that stays cool (it won't fit the budget yet, maybe by > next fall), but I am curious about which vitamins make it through the juicer > and which end up in the pulp, and if there is a way to get the pulp into me > or does it just have to get thrown out. > > I would be interested in any info you can send me, and any links as well. > And don't worry about sending me too much info, as this is the main focus of > my spare time, and I love to read and learn. > > I will send this not to you personally and to the group, but feel free to > email me privately with info if you prefer. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Garnet 2/10/04 7:39 AM Wrote: > Better to spend your money on organic and > natural food based sources. I guess you mean those grown in nutrient depleted soils, or maybe you prefer that the grower dump tons of chemicals in his fields in an attempt to replace what MANY years of mismanagement ruined. Well I, for one, will / do rely on properly formulated suppliments that are no longer present in our foods - I do miss the benefits of the enzimes. There many reputable formulators out there, and also reputable retailers. There is a learning curve. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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OK, but how do you know what is in your food, what you are over supplementing or what balances you are throwing off? I don't think there is any way for you to know unless you assay all your food? To my knowledge organic farmers do not use "tons of chemicals" and I prefer to rely on nature's balance. To each his own. I have done the supplement route, studied it, experienced it for many years in myself and animals. I personally get better results with food based sources of vitamins and minerals. Garnet On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 17:38, Jack Dayton wrote: > Garnet 2/10/04 7:39 AM Wrote: > > > Better to spend your money on organic and > > natural food based sources. > > I guess you mean those grown in nutrient depleted soils, > or maybe you prefer that the grower dump tons of > chemicals in his fields in an attempt to replace what > MANY years of mismanagement ruined. > > Well I, for one, will / do rely on properly formulated > suppliments that are no longer present in our foods - > I do miss the benefits of the enzimes. > > There many reputable formulators out there, > and also reputable retailers. > > There is a learning curve. > > Jack > > Be Nice > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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I don't want to disparage organic and natural foods. But they are simply not available to everyone. For some, they are just out of reach price wise. And for some of us, who live in the middle of nowhere they just are not available, period. We do see some organic produce in the supermarket these days, on little foam trays, sealed in with plastic wrap, and god knows how old it is because it all looks rotten. And though many people here do grow what they can, including myself, there is no way to grow much more than what amounts to a fresh veggies of limited variety for a few meals during the short growing season. We all must do the best we can with what is available. I use a lot of canned foods, and I don't think I'd give up my supplements even if I lived in the middle of a year-round farmer's market. I just don't believe I can get the nutrients I need from food, because I don't believe they are in there to be gotten. paula Jack Dayton wrote: Garnet 2/10/04 7:39 AM Wrote: Better to spend your money on organic and natural food based sources. I guess you mean those grown in nutrient depleted soils, or maybe you prefer that the grower dump tons of chemicals in his fields in an attempt to replace what MANY years of mismanagement ruined. Well I, for one, will / do rely on properly formulated suppliments that are no longer present in our foods - I do miss the benefits of the enzimes. There many reputable formulators out there, and also reputable retailers. There is a learning curve. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Jack Dayton wrote: < Well I, for one, will / do rely on properly formulated suppliments that are no longer present in our foods - I do miss the benefits of the enzimes. There many reputable formulators out there, and also reputable retailers. There is a learning curve. > I agree , Jack and thank you " Classical homeopath does not include any other surrounding or possible alternative medicines like vitamins, minerals, herbs or whatever. ... And sometimes, a homeopathic remedy cannot cure a problem--for example, if your diet does not include a lot of salads or greens, you might have an vitamin A deficiency and complain of poor night visionthe only thing that will help that is to change your diet to include these foods, and/or take a vitamin A supplement. Homeopathy SOMETIMES can help you change your eating habits. But because the soils and veggies/fruits are depleted and no longer have the levels of vitamin they used to before 1960, we are getting depleted and need supplements, " Eileen Nauman, my Cherokee American friend, well known internationally as a writer and Homeopath in complementary and alternative medicine, commented, in our Athena forum a few years ago. Locally, in our Malaysian setting, " Keep an open mind on traditional medicine, docs told. " Kuala Lumpur: Doctors have been urged to keep an open mind on the use of traditional and complementary medicine in keeping with global trends. Health Minister Datuk Chua Jui Meng said the philosophy and the policy of the World Health Organization ( WHO) was to see greater intergration between traditional and complementary medicine and allopathic or western medicine. " It is the policy of this ministry to promote traditional and complementary medicine which may or not be included in health supplements.If we were to exclude that , it would not be healthy and not in line with development in the rest of the world - especially the developed countries, so we hope everyone will keep an open mind, " he told a press conference yesterday. Chua added that the ministry's director-general would meet doctors to discuss the issue. On Monday Malaysian Medical Association president Dr. N. Arumugam was quoted as saying that the association had banned doctors from selling health supplements. since last April. The Malaysian Dietary Supplements Association ( Madsa ), however, expressed surprise over the ban as it implied that supplements were detrimental to health. Madsa said supplements that had been on a typical doctor's prescription list included iron for anaemic patients, calcium for osteoporosis and folic acid for pregnant mothers . Prestigious medical journals such as the Journal of the American Medical Association and New England Journal of Medicine had also supported the use of health supplements, it added. The Star, page 8, Saturday 7, February 2004 E-mail : edi...@thestar.com.my " We hope everyone will keep an open mind. " - Health minister Datuk Chua Jui Meng of Malaysia I recall those difficult years when I had to improvise very simple ways to manage emergency cases while practising in remote areas in the state of Johore, Malaysia, when the nearest hospital was miles away. Droplet feeding a succussed preparation from the patient's vomitus in accidental poisoning was a desperate homeopathic procedure in jungle medicine but not in orthodox medicine.. There was no time for detailed history -taking. Slipping some crashed homeopathic granules of Antimony Tartarate 6x into a gasping cyanotic child's mouth, with respiratory problems before the frantic rush to the nearest hospital, was another emergency measure. Breathing into a perforated paper bag for better carbon dioxide retention was a life-saving measure to maintain bronchiolar dilatation in the hyperventilating child during the journey to the nearest medical institution without any oxygenation. Under such straitened circumstances, I witnessed the foreign-body extruding effect of potentis ed Silica in healed injuries still harbouring the retained debris. The extruded objects [ tiny glass pieces and wooden splinters] were palpable over the skin. My patients from the jungle fringes in Kahang, Johore shared with me their folklore steeped in traditional medicine.It could be that the memories of the sounds and voices [ Nature's silence ] of the rainforests where I spent most of my childhood, that had lured me to trudge the lonely Way searching for holistic truths. What mainstream medicine considered as healed on the radiological evidence of calcification of the TB tubercles in the lung fields, seen as opacities is but an evasive
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Dear Terry, I`m interested in the ConcenTrace supplement, but it has no vanadium in it. I try to take that to prevent diabetes. Marshalee > Thora said: > > I never have taken vitamins until recently, and that > sporadically. > > Actually, although vitamins are important, they are > used by the body to utilize minerals (plus other > functions). We are MADE of minerals. > > Some years ago I searched the net to find a good > source of minerals. My criteria was that I wanted a > supplement that contained as many minerals as possible > (a comprehensive mineral formula), that was liquid > (the most assimilable form), that was organic minerals > (as opposed to metallic minerals) and that was > reasonably priced. > > I found a dozen companies (at least) that claimed to > sell such a product. I bought from a number of them, > drank it like water and observed my body's response. > > Only two of the products I tested on myself had any > affect on me. The rest had as much affect as if I was > just drinking lemonade (in fact, I think in some of > them, that IS all I was drinking!). > > The two products were a liquid mineral supplement > offered by a multi-level company called New Vision. > They recommended you drink one ounce per day (one > bottle per month), but I found that it didn't really > improve things until you drank 2 - 4 ounces per day. > At $36 per bottle (Canadian), that added up pretty > quick. The other product is called Concentrace, sold > by a company called Trace Minerals Research, in Utah. > They are NOT multi-level, and turn out to be the most > economical mineral product I've seen on the market. > Also the most comprehensive mineral supplement I've > found. Concentrace contains every single mineral > needed by the human body (well over 100). (Since these > minerals are in trace amounts, this is not a good > supplement to fill your calcium needs, or any other > macro-minerals.) It is also the most concentrated > mineral supplement on the market. The recommended > daily dose is 1/4 tsp, 2xday. Of course, you can > exceed that dose and benefit even more. I have clients > who ingest one tsp, 2xday. They tell me they do this > because they have so demineralized their bodies in the > last 30 or more years that they want to put it back as > fast as possible. > > 80% of my clients tell me that they experience > noticeable health improvements within 24 hours after > starting Concentrace (usually improved digestion and > regularity, among other things). > > I approached this company and asked them if I could > buy from them wholesale to sell to my clients (who are > ALL demineralized). They told me they ONLY sell to > Health Food stores. I kept bugging them, and finally > got a chance to meet with the owner of the Canadian > distribution company. He finally agreed to sell to me, > and he tells me I am the only private individual in > Canada who is allowed to buy from them (but I also > sell more of their product than many HF stores!). > > Call all the HF stores around you and ask if they > carry it. I can sell it to you, but a HF store will > sell it cheaper. (I am required to price it higher > than a HF store so I am not competing with them.) Even > so, a 3-month supply is only $30. > > I have an article I can send to those who request it > which explains the part minerals play in our health. I > am told it is quite interesting and informative. (It > is, but I am trying to be humble.) > > Thora, it sounds like, among other things, that you > could benefit from a program to remineralize your > body. I would highly recommend you acquire some > Concentrace for this purpose. > > Terry Chamberlin, B.Sc., C.N.C., Bioanalyst > Metabolic Solutions Institute > RR1 > Lawrencetown, Nova Scotia B0S 1M0 Canada > 902-584-3810 voice/message > 413-826-7641 fax service > msi...@yahoo.com > > > __ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Garnet 2/10/04 5:36 PM Wrote: > To my knowledge organic farmers do not use "tons of chemicals" and I > prefer to rely on nature's balance. ** That's probably right, but where in my previous post on the subject of soil nutrient depletion did I use the phrase "organic farmers" ? I am aware that some grocery stores offer a limited selection of organically grown foods -- no doubt ignored by a great majority of shoppers, so where do they get their vitamins & minerals, other than those mandated by our government -- in woefully inadequate amounts ? Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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i hate to say it, but you can support organic farming by requesting organic produce at your local supermarket and even more so by looking around your area for the closest small organic grower. ask around alternative health practitioners. small organic farms are the antithesis of genetically modified seeds and mass fertilizer and pesticide users. i am not saying to get rid of factory farms, i am saying to support more local farming. the smaller the scale, the more attractive "organic" is to a farmer. On Feb 11, 2004, at 1:58 PM, Jack Dayton wrote: Garnet 2/10/04 5:36 PM Wrote: To my knowledge organic farmers do not use "tons of chemicals" and I prefer to rely on nature's balance. ** That's probably right, but where in my previous post on the subject of soil nutrient depletion did I use the phrase "organic farmers" ? I am aware that some grocery stores offer a limited selection of organically grown foods -- no doubt ignored by a great majority of shoppers, so where do they get their vitamins & minerals, other than those mandated by our government -- in woefully inadequate amounts ? Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I am referring to the post at the end of this message Jack. Garnet "Don't worry what people think, they don't do it very often." On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 12:58, Jack Dayton wrote: > Garnet 2/10/04 5:36 PM Wrote: > > > To my knowledge organic farmers do not use "tons of chemicals" and I > > prefer to rely on nature's balance. > ** > That's probably right, but where in my previous post > on the subject of soil nutrient depletion did I use the > phrase "organic farmers" ? -----Forwarded Message- From: Jack Dayton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>taking supplements] Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:38:43 -0800 Garnet 2/10/04 7:39 AM Wrote: > Better to spend your money on organic and > natural food based sources. I guess you mean those grown in nutrient depleted soils, or maybe you prefer that the grower dump tons of chemicals in his fields in an attempt to replace what MANY years of mismanagement ruined. Well I, for one, will / do rely on properly formulated suppliments that are no longer present in our foods - I do miss the benefits of the enzimes. There many reputable formulators out there, and also reputable retailers. There is a learning curve. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi, I'm new to the list and still getting a handle on CS. Nevertheless, my daughter just got the flu and now I have a sore throat. I'm going to the local health food store today to buy some CS. Any pointers that may increase my chances of success in knocking this out? Thanks. Bill Brainerd, West Hills, CA -Original Message- From: William Meyer [mailto:calis...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:51 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>taking supplements] i hate to say it, but you can support organic farming by requesting organic produce at your local supermarket and even more so by looking around your area for the closest small organic grower. ask around alternative health practitioners. small organic farms are the antithesis of genetically modified seeds and mass fertilizer and pesticide users. i am not saying to get rid of factory farms, i am saying to support more local farming. the smaller the scale, the more attractive "organic" is to a farmer. On Feb 11, 2004, at 1:58 PM, Jack Dayton wrote: > Garnet 2/10/04 5:36 PM Wrote: > >> To my knowledge organic farmers do not use "tons of chemicals" and I >> prefer to rely on nature's balance. > ** > That's probably right, but where in my previous post > on the subject of soil nutrient depletion did I use the phrase > "organic farmers" ? > > I am aware that some grocery stores offer a limited > selection of organically grown foods -- no doubt ignored > by a great majority of shoppers, so where do they get > their vitamins & minerals, other than those mandated by our > government -- in woefully inadequate amounts ? > > Jack > > Be Nice > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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My daughter came down with the flu just before xmas. Richard Harris had recently posted a formula to use for nebulizing. I picked up an ultra sonic humidifier at Walgreens and made a batch of R. H.'s formula. The next day the flu was gone. She also drank some straight CS. The humidifier must be ultra sonic.Bob Smith - Original Message - From: "Bill Brainerd" To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: RE: CS>taking supplements] > Hi, I'm new to the list and still getting a handle on CS. Nevertheless, > my daughter just got the flu and now I have a sore throat. I'm going to > the local health food store today to buy some CS. Any pointers that may > increase my chances of success in knocking this out? > Thanks. Bill Brainerd, West Hills, CA > > -Original Message- > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Mix it with 10% DMSO and put that in your ears, nose, gargle with it, hold it in your mouth, nebulize it into your lungs. I have been getting much better results with my CS since combining it with DMSO which increases penetration into tissues and cells, of major note it can penetrate antibiotic resistant bacteria and they become sensitive again when the DMSO is mixed with the antibiotic that the bacteria was previously resistant to. Garnet http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO/ On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 18:41, Bill Brainerd wrote: > Hi, I'm new to the list and still getting a handle on CS. Nevertheless, > my daughter just got the flu and now I have a sore throat. I'm going to > the local health food store today to buy some CS. Any pointers that may > increase my chances of success in knocking this out? > Thanks. Bill Brainerd, West Hills, CA > > -Original Message- > From: William Meyer [mailto:calis...@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:51 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>taking supplements] > > > i hate to say it, but you can support organic farming by requesting > organic produce > at your local supermarket and even more so by looking around your area > for the closest > small organic grower. ask around alternative health practitioners. small > organic farms are the antithesis of genetically modified seeds > and mass > fertilizer and pesticide users. i am not saying to get rid of factory > farms, i am saying > to support more local farming. the smaller the scale, the more > attractive "organic" is > to a farmer. > > On Feb 11, 2004, at 1:58 PM, Jack Dayton wrote: > > > Garnet 2/10/04 5:36 PM Wrote: > > > >> To my knowledge organic farmers do not use "tons of chemicals" and I > >> prefer to rely on nature's balance. > > ** > > That's probably right, but where in my previous post > > on the subject of soil nutrient depletion did I use the phrase > > "organic farmers" ? > > > > I am aware that some grocery stores offer a limited > > selection of organically grown foods -- no doubt ignored > > by a great majority of shoppers, so where do they get > > their vitamins & minerals, other than those mandated by our > > government -- in woefully inadequate amounts ? > > > > Jack > > > > Be Nice > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > i
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-Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:29 PM I don't want to disparage organic and natural foods. But they are simply not available to everyone.> Au contraire, Get out there and plant some vegetable seeds and grow your own. Fertilize with kelp, fish emulsion fertilizer, seaweed extract, greensand, etc. to replace trace minerals. And gardening is the healthiest lifestyle. If you don't have a yard, get some good grow lights and grow lettuce. If you can't afford that, get a mayonnaise jar and some nylon net, hold the net on with a rubber band, and sprout seeds. Some good ones are lentils, fenugreek, clover, and broccoli. Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I posted a link to Vinny Pinto's web sites earlier: you can learn about EM gardening there as well. I think EM will be a very powerful, simple, and life-promoting agricultural technology worldwide in the coming decades. Using EM, you can grow your own "uber-ogranic" produce easily, cheaply, and with almost assured success. You can learn to ferment your own household food waste easily.For those with time to learn, this his time well spent. JBB On Thursday, Feb 12, 2004, at 06:08 Asia/Tokyo, Tad Winiecki wrote: -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:29 PM I don't want to disparage organic and natural foods. But they are simply not available to everyone.> Au contraire, Get out there and plant some vegetable seeds and grow your own. Fertilize with kelp, fish emulsion fertilizer, seaweed extract, greensand, etc. to replace trace minerals. And gardening is the healthiest lifestyle. If you don't have a yard, get some good grow lights and grow lettuce. If you can't afford that, get a mayonnaise jar and some nylon net, hold the net on with a rubber band, and sprout seeds. Some good ones are lentils, fenugreek, clover, and broccoli. Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Nancy, Until you have lived in the climate I live in you do not know whereof you speak. We grow enough to be treats. That's it. And nobody can grow enough sprouts in mayonnaise jars to be other than a nice addition to a salad. I found your email very flippant. And I can't use kelp or any seaweed or other iodine containing anything, period, and I certainly don't want to go to the trouble of growing veg I can't eat. A high altitude desert, with a very short growing season, and very cool nights, and low soil temperatures, even at the height of summe, does not make for good gardening in any case. We grow what we can, but that amounts to adding a little variety to our summer diet. It is nowhere near enough to preserve, or even be a serious part of a human's daily food needs. paula Tad Winiecki wrote: -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:29 PM I don't want to disparage organic and natural foods. But they are simply not available to everyone.> Au contraire, Get out there and plant some vegetable seeds and grow your own. Fertilize with kelp, fish emulsion fertilizer, seaweed extract, greensand, etc. to replace trace minerals. And gardening is the healthiest lifestyle. If you don't have a yard, get some good grow lights and grow lettuce. If you can't afford that, get a mayonnaise jar and some nylon net, hold the net on with a rubber band, and sprout seeds. Some good ones are lentils, fenugreek, clover, and broccoli. Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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How about a simple green house and going hydroponic with lights. There is some investment but this would be offset by better health. Plus you would get so much more enjoyment from the better tasting food. I have looked into some simple green house plans. I think you could do it for $1000 to $1500 with lights. Garnet On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 23:37, sol wrote: > Nancy, >Until you have lived in the climate I live in you do not know whereof > you speak. We grow enough to be treats. That's it. And nobody can grow > enough sprouts in mayonnaise jars to be other than a nice addition to a > salad. >I found your email very flippant. And I can't use kelp or any seaweed > or other iodine containing anything, period, and I certainly don't want > to go to the trouble of growing veg I can't eat. >A high altitude desert, with a very short growing season, and very > cool nights, and low soil temperatures, even at the height of summe, > does not make for good gardening in any case. We grow what we can, but > that amounts to adding a little variety to our summer diet. It is > nowhere near enough to preserve, or even be a serious part of a human's > daily food needs. > paula > > > Tad Winiecki wrote: > > >-Original Message- > >From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:29 PM > > I don't want to disparage organic and natural foods. But they are > >simply not available to everyone.> > > > >Au contraire, Get out there and plant some vegetable seeds and grow your > >own. Fertilize with kelp, fish emulsion fertilizer, seaweed extract, > >greensand, etc. to replace trace minerals. And gardening is the healthiest > >lifestyle. > > > >If you don't have a yard, get some good grow lights and grow lettuce. If > >you can't afford that, get a mayonnaise jar and some nylon net, hold the > >net on with a rubber band, and sprout seeds. Some good ones are lentils, > >fenugreek, clover, and broccoli. > > > >Nancy > > > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Thank Nancy for your excellent positive-thinking information like your usual sharing with "us seekers". Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist www.rharrisinc.com -Original Message- From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 4:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Re: CS>taking supplements] -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 9:29 PM I don't want to disparage organic and natural foods. But they are simply not available to everyone.>>>>> Au contraire, Get out there and plant some vegetable seeds and grow your own. Fertilize with kelp, fish emulsion fertilizer, seaweed extract, greensand, etc. to replace trace minerals. And gardening is the healthiest lifestyle. If you don't have a yard, get some good grow lights and grow lettuce. If you can't afford that, get a mayonnaise jar and some nylon net, hold the net on with a rubber band, and sprout seeds. Some good ones are lentils, fenugreek, clover, and broccoli. Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
