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They are Robert Becker, and Bob Beck, two completely different individuals. Marshall Jason R. Eaton wrote: That's a great idea to use aloe vera, and I agree that many different carriers can be used. And my apologies about Robert Becker. I believe I'm referring to the other Becker ( Bob Becker? ). I should have left personalities out of it, and simply made the point that the data I study closely is data performed by those with no vested financial interest, that are non-promotional in nature. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Jason R. Eaton wrote: Great idea Steve, however: We might be hard pressed to come to agreement on a uniform document. For instance, many believe that CS alone is a fine treatment for acne. However, some of us believe quite the opposite. In cases of true acne, the problem is not in the skin, but the liver. CS in distilled water disturbs the PH balance of the skin, and therefore acts as an irritant to normal tissue that is inflamed. Mix with aloe vera. Works much better, sticks around longer, and has a slightly acid ph for the skin. I would trust people such as are on this list ( whereas I won't even look at the numbers from someone like Robert Becker ) to do such a study. Why would you say this? I consider Robert Becker one of the real pioneers in using silver for burns and so forth. His book The Electric Body is a great resource, and he does not seem to toe the party line when it disagrees with reality. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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Hi Folks, I don't dispute the possibility that the liver is involved in Acne Vulgaris, but I have seen remarkable results with CS spray, regardless of the theory that it disturbs the pH of the skin. James Osbourne Holmes FTNWO -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:48 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions They are Robert Becker, and Bob Beck, two completely different individuals. Marshall Jason R. Eaton wrote: That's a great idea to use aloe vera, and I agree that many different carriers can be used. And my apologies about Robert Becker. I believe I'm referring to the other Becker ( Bob Becker? ). I should have left personalities out of it, and simply made the point that the data I study closely is data performed by those with no vested financial interest, that are non-promotional in nature. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Jason R. Eaton wrote: Great idea Steve, however: We might be hard pressed to come to agreement on a uniform document. For instance, many believe that CS alone is a fine treatment for acne. However, some of us believe quite the opposite. In cases of true acne, the problem is not in the skin, but the liver. CS in distilled water disturbs the PH balance of the skin, and therefore acts as an irritant to normal tissue that is inflamed. Mix with aloe vera. Works much better, sticks around longer, and has a slightly acid ph for the skin. I would trust people such as are on this list ( whereas I won't even look at the numbers from someone like Robert Becker ) to do such a study. Why would you say this? I consider Robert Becker one of the real pioneers in using silver for burns and so forth. His book The Electric Body is a great resource, and he does not seem to toe the party line when it disagrees with reality. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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Speaking of Beck and Becker...just found good source for used books...at www.half.com. Found two great Becker books and bought them for less than half including shipping costs. Such a deal! Also had a nasty bug try to get to me this week. Got my wife pretty bad for about 10 days, grandson, daughter too. I attacked with CS up the nose, in the ears, sprayed in mouth, gargled, etc. Only symptoms were slight roughness/sorenes in the throat (temporary) and slight ear ache that disappeared almost immediately after treating with CS. Lymphs swelled just a litte (my very accurate gauge of the extent of infection). My point: CS must get to the bugs...if the infection is localized in throat, you may have to attack from multiple fronts to kill them. My wife drank at little CS now and then, to no avail. I was much more aggressive and beat them. Steve 1: Bugs 0! Cheers! CS is no BS! Steven Geigle Cedar Mill, Oregon, USA sgei...@home.com - Original Message - Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions They are Robert Becker, and Bob Beck, two completely different individuals. Marshall Jason R. Eaton wrote: That's a great idea to use aloe vera, and I agree that many different carriers can be used. And my apologies about Robert Becker. I believe I'm referring to the other Becker ( Bob Becker? ). I should have left personalities out of it, and simply made the point that the data I study closely is data performed by those with no vested financial interest, that are non-promotional in nature. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Jason R. Eaton wrote: Great idea Steve, however: We might be hard pressed to come to agreement on a uniform document. For instance, many believe that CS alone is a fine treatment for acne. However, some of us believe quite the opposite. In cases of true acne, the problem is not in the skin, but the liver. CS in distilled water disturbs the PH balance of the skin, and therefore acts as an irritant to normal tissue that is inflamed. Mix with aloe vera. Works much better, sticks around longer, and has a slightly acid ph for the skin. I would trust people such as are on this list ( whereas I won't even look at the numbers from someone like Robert Becker ) to do such a study. Why would you say this? I consider Robert Becker one of the real pioneers in using silver for burns and so forth. His book The Electric Body is a great resource, and he does not seem to toe the party line when it disagrees with reality. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
## The best way for change is to make the change quietly and spread the change quietly. If it is a good change..a good idea...it will spread. When the majority is quietly doing thier will, any law that opposes it becomes an unenforceable joke. To pass a law against possessing CS would be akin to outlawing the silverware that graces the lawmakers dinner table. Likewise, outlawing sand below a certain particle size would be like outlawing dust and demanding that everyone wear a dust mask. I can only say what I do and why, not tell you what you should do. If you do as I do, so be it. Leading by example makes no demands of the followers so every follower is a leader. Force is not involved, so no force can stop it. Vilify not the enemy. There is no need. He is already vile. Instead, quietly attract his resources away from him and he will become a small helpless voice. If he demands lip service, he will only hear the lies he demands. I don't need my lips to speak to myself. KD'Cs manual of quiet subversion and the silent revolution. At 10:20 AM 4/6/00 -, you wrote: Many people do not have the luxury to engage the government in such pursuits as breaking an established law, then spending years of time and resources fighting. It would jeopardize their work in the world, and most likely lead to the discrediting of even non-related works, many of which have quite profound implications for humanity. It would be blatantly self-destructive to do so. I would highly suggest anyone considering such an act contact those who have personal experience to guide by. I would also strongly suggest consulting a good lawyer, who would inform you that while your efforts are noble, righteous, and most princely, they would not even be subject to appeal. It is like building your defense in a murder trial upon the basis that murder should not be against the law. Even if you proved your case, it would be irrelevant. A law, if passed legally, is beyond philosophical, scientific, or otherwise logical judgement. In our case, however, I do not forsee anyone going to jail over colloidal silver. At worst, I expect the FDA will just fine offending companies out of business. The FDA has a history of going after truly dangerous people, and is not likely to be concerned with laymen who do not have the credentials or a demonstrated history in an important field necessary to make a large impact on public awareness. The FDA also is very reluctant to go after well organized, law abiding organizations who include a standard sample of the public. 1000 average Americans united in the pursuit of an altruistic aim also pose a dangerous threat. Your danger to the system does not lie in breaking the law. It lies in following it. The power lies not in assertion of Will, but in application of Wisdom. Freedom is obtained by the strictess observance of natural law. - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:29 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be challanged in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from those who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of choice. Blessings Ted Jason R. Eaton wrote: Greetings! Sadly, Terry, that understanding is not correct. Anything used and accepted before 1935 is protected under the grandfather clause, provided ONLY that the FDA does not choose to reclassify it. The FDA ruled that CS is an unclassified drug in September of 1999. However, colloidal silver is still protected under the Vitamin and Mineral Suppliment Act. And so, the bottom line: CS can be sold as such without any medical claims. - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions My understanding is that anything used pre- 1935, the FDA cannot rule against it, this does not mean that they won't try to use scare tactics and intimidation, I would not be afraid to go to court at any time to defend my rights against any government. Blessings Ted rogalt...@aol.com wrote: Ted: I wonder how your read of FDA action (or inaction) with regard to CS vendor claims (or even non-claims) stacks up against their most recent ruling? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Greetings! Sadly, Terry, that understanding is not correct. Anything used and accepted before 1935 is protected under the grandfather clause, provided ONLY that the FDA does not choose to reclassify it. The FDA ruled that CS is an unclassified drug in September of 1999. However, colloidal silver is still protected under the Vitamin and Mineral Suppliment Act. And so, the bottom line: CS can be sold as such without any medical claims. - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions My understanding is that anything used pre- 1935, the FDA cannot rule against it, this does not mean that they won't try to use scare tactics and intimidation, I would not be afraid to go to court at any time to defend my rights against any government. Blessings Ted rogalt...@aol.com wrote: Ted: I wonder how your read of FDA action (or inaction) with regard to CS vendor claims (or even non-claims) stacks up against their most recent ruling? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Great idea Steve, however: We might be hard pressed to come to agreement on a uniform document. For instance, many believe that CS alone is a fine treatment for acne. However, some of us believe quite the opposite. In cases of true acne, the problem is not in the skin, but the liver. CS in distilled water disturbs the PH balance of the skin, and therefore acts as an irritant to normal tissue that is inflamed. The benefit of colloidal silver ( in it's ionic state ) lasts for about thirty seconds. The residual silver left on/in the tissue is not a sufficient quantity to continue to kill replicating bacteria, and the PH balance remains disturbed. In my experience, three out of three people with chronic acne experienced no improvement and increased irritation, using three different types of colloidal silver. However, colloidal silver used internally may certainly have a positive benefit on the condition. In contrast to this, however, we have the numerous reports of people who have experienced very rapid cures of the same condition using colloidal silver. The same can be said for many conditions, and it can be very difficult to isolate the variables. I don't think we've ever gotten past the first variable: How the CS is made, and with what strength. In my opinion, what we need is data. We need to do a study, of say, 50 people with condition X, using the same CS. I, for one, would be more comfortable stating something like, out of 50 people with chronic acne, 5% of the people experienced a complete cure, 45% experienced positive results, and 50% experienced no benefit. Even at 5%, that would make colloidal silver the most successful treatment available. Furthermore, we would be able to better isolate variables. I would trust people such as are on this list ( whereas I won't even look at the numbers from someone like Robert Becker ) to do such a study. There is a difference between irrefutable evidence and scientific evidence. I for one am more than satisfied with irrefutable evidence. - Original Message - From: Steve geigle sgei...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 3:49 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Great idea, Roger. Say, why can't members of the silver list somehow produce a document explaining the benefits of CS and make it available at no cost (now there's a radical idea) to all members and others as they wish. Dumb idea or what? ;-) Cheers, Steven Geigle Cedar Mill, Oregon, USA sgei...@home.com - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 8:01 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Thaks very much Marshall. I'm sure a combined effort from the CS list would yield several times more published CS results. Perhaps we could request each list subscriber to contribute at least one published positive or negatve (which would be at least as interesting) CS report. Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Many people do not have the luxury to engage the government in such pursuits as breaking an established law, then spending years of time and resources fighting. It would jeopardize their work in the world, and most likely lead to the discrediting of even non-related works, many of which have quite profound implications for humanity. It would be blatantly self-destructive to do so. I would highly suggest anyone considering such an act contact those who have personal experience to guide by. I would also strongly suggest consulting a good lawyer, who would inform you that while your efforts are noble, righteous, and most princely, they would not even be subject to appeal. It is like building your defense in a murder trial upon the basis that murder should not be against the law. Even if you proved your case, it would be irrelevant. A law, if passed legally, is beyond philosophical, scientific, or otherwise logical judgement. In our case, however, I do not forsee anyone going to jail over colloidal silver. At worst, I expect the FDA will just fine offending companies out of business. The FDA has a history of going after truly dangerous people, and is not likely to be concerned with laymen who do not have the credentials or a demonstrated history in an important field necessary to make a large impact on public awareness. The FDA also is very reluctant to go after well organized, law abiding organizations who include a standard sample of the public. 1000 average Americans united in the pursuit of an altruistic aim also pose a dangerous threat. Your danger to the system does not lie in breaking the law. It lies in following it. The power lies not in assertion of Will, but in application of Wisdom. Freedom is obtained by the strictess observance of natural law. - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:29 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be challanged in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from those who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of choice. Blessings Ted Jason R. Eaton wrote: Greetings! Sadly, Terry, that understanding is not correct. Anything used and accepted before 1935 is protected under the grandfather clause, provided ONLY that the FDA does not choose to reclassify it. The FDA ruled that CS is an unclassified drug in September of 1999. However, colloidal silver is still protected under the Vitamin and Mineral Suppliment Act. And so, the bottom line: CS can be sold as such without any medical claims. - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions My understanding is that anything used pre- 1935, the FDA cannot rule against it, this does not mean that they won't try to use scare tactics and intimidation, I would not be afraid to go to court at any time to defend my rights against any government. Blessings Ted rogalt...@aol.com wrote: Ted: I wonder how your read of FDA action (or inaction) with regard to CS vendor claims (or even non-claims) stacks up against their most recent ruling? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
That's a great idea to use aloe vera, and I agree that many different carriers can be used. And my apologies about Robert Becker. I believe I'm referring to the other Becker ( Bob Becker? ). I should have left personalities out of it, and simply made the point that the data I study closely is data performed by those with no vested financial interest, that are non-promotional in nature. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Jason R. Eaton wrote: Great idea Steve, however: We might be hard pressed to come to agreement on a uniform document. For instance, many believe that CS alone is a fine treatment for acne. However, some of us believe quite the opposite. In cases of true acne, the problem is not in the skin, but the liver. CS in distilled water disturbs the PH balance of the skin, and therefore acts as an irritant to normal tissue that is inflamed. Mix with aloe vera. Works much better, sticks around longer, and has a slightly acid ph for the skin. I would trust people such as are on this list ( whereas I won't even look at the numbers from someone like Robert Becker ) to do such a study. Why would you say this? I consider Robert Becker one of the real pioneers in using silver for burns and so forth. His book The Electric Body is a great resource, and he does not seem to toe the party line when it disagrees with reality. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Colloidal Silver fall under what is called a grandfather clause, in other words it is pre 1935, unless someone is making outrages claims the FDA will for the most part leave you alone. Blessing Ted rogalt...@aol.com wrote: Dear List: Many, if not most of us are convinced that CS works for a wide range of medical problems, but can anyone provide documented successes under controlled conditions? Surely some renegade university professor somewhere has, on occasion, been curious enough about CS to have performed controlled experiments to verify, or better yet, disprove the efficacy of CS. Evidence, however limited, is extremely important to have available if any of us are forced to defend our actions if the FDA decides that it may like YOU to be their next fall guy. Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Hi Roger, 1. Contact BYU in Utah. 2. Search for Argentum Research, and there contact Dr. Bart A. Flick. There is much going on, quietly. It really is a hot potato for the FDA-protected chemical cartels. Bruce Marx says he suspects they are putting it in products but not mentioning that it is the silver which causes the benefits. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Dear List: Many, if not most of us are convinced that CS works for a wide range of medical problems, but can anyone provide documented successes under controlled conditions? Surely some renegade university professor somewhere has, on occasion, been curious enough about CS to have performed controlled experiments to verify, or better yet, disprove the efficacy of CS. Evidence, however limited, is extremely important to have available if any of us are forced to defend our actions if the FDA decides that it may like YOU to be their next fall guy. Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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Ted: I wonder how your read of FDA action (or inaction) with regard to CS vendor claims (or even non-claims) stacks up against their most recent ruling? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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### I suspect this might be the case in the new flu spray as seen on TV. KD'C At 11:26 PM 4/6/00 -0600, you wrote: Hi Roger, 1. Contact BYU in Utah. 2. Search for Argentum Research, and there contact Dr. Bart A. Flick. There is much going on, quietly. It really is a hot potato for the FDA-protected chemical cartels. Bruce Marx says he suspects they are putting it in products but not mentioning that it is the silver which causes the benefits. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 9:48 PM To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Dear List: Many, if not most of us are convinced that CS works for a wide range of medical problems, but can anyone provide documented successes under controlled conditions? Surely some renegade university professor somewhere has, on occasion, been curious enough about CS to have performed controlled experiments to verify, or better yet, disprove the efficacy of CS. Evidence, however limited, is extremely important to have available if any of us are forced to defend our actions if the FDA decides that it may like YOU to be their next fall guy. Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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rogalt...@aol.com wrote: Dear List: Many, if not most of us are convinced that CS works for a wide range of medical problems, but can anyone provide documented successes under controlled conditions? Surely some renegade university professor somewhere has, on occasion, been curious enough about CS to have performed controlled experiments to verify, or better yet, disprove the efficacy of CS. Evidence, however limited, is extremely important to have available if any of us are forced to defend our actions if the FDA decides that it may like YOU to be their next fall guy. AIDS Study Eight people recover from the AIDS virus in a scientifically documented study. An additional seven AIDS patients recover as verified by anecdotal reports, Testimonials AIDS Virus. Dr. M. Paul Farber, M.P. N.D., Ph.D., D.C. Author of the Micro Silver Bullet TM 4th Edition, November 1996 ISBN 1-87742-00 X Pages XIII XVI. Department of Health and Human Services (NIH) and cancer center laboratory test results, regarding Lyme disease. Borrelia burgdorferi and hermsti, organisms associated with causing the symptoms of Lyme Disease, were tested at the Department of Health and Human Services, Rocky Mountain Laboratories and Fox Chase Cancer Center, respectively, in 1995; in the Rocky Mountain Labs study, it was demonstrated that no live spirochetes of either borrellia burgdorferi [B310 orhermsti (HS-1)] survived after 24 hours of exposure to colloidal silver in concentrations of 15 ppm and 150 ppm. Department of Health and Human Services, National Institutes of Health, Rocky Mountain Laboratories, January, 13, 1995, Schuan, Tom, Ph.D., Burgdorfer, Willy Ph.D. Cancer Research Research by Dr. Robert O. Becker, and others indicated that laboratory tests conducted reverted cancer cells back to normal (not kill them but return them to normal). Other observations made such as a correlation between silver deficiency and illness or proper immune system functioning, burns, soft tissue and bone repair acceleration, and the formation of cells that appear to be able to repair virtually any part of the body. Reduction of inflammation and the anitbacterial, germicidal, astringent, antibiotic attributes so far observed are yet to be fully understood. The Body Electric, Dr. Robert O. Becker ISBN 0688069711 Quill, New York or William Morrow Company C.E. A. MacLeod reports colloidal silver being used with marked success in the following cases: Septic and follicular tonsillitis, Vincents angina, phlyctenular conjunctivitis, gonorrheal conjunctivitis, spring catarrh, impetigo (contagious acne of face and body), septic ulcer of legs, ringworm, soft sores, suppurative appendicitis after operation (the wounds cleaned rapidly), pustular eczema of scalp and pubes, chronic eczema of meatus of ear with recurrent boils, chronic suppuration in otitis media, and bromidrosis of feet. By injection: gonnorrhoea and chronic cystitis (local), boils, epididymitis. Lancet, Feb. 3, 1912 p. 83. The Use of Colloids Health and Disease The germicidal action of certain metals in the colloidal state having been demonstrated, it only remained to apply them to the human subject, and this has been done in a large number of cases with astonishingly successful results. It is not suggested that colloidal metal solutions . But for internal administration, either orally or hypodermically, they have the advantage of being rapidly fatal to the parasites both bacterial and otherwise without any toxic action on the host. Colloidal silver solution is quite stable even in the presence of salts and the normal constituents of the blood. Its destructive action on toxins is very marked, so that it will protect rabbits from ten times the lethal dose of tetanic (from tetanus) or diphtheric toxin. Searle, A. B. The Use of Colloids Health and Disease (Quoting from the British Medical Journal, May 12, 1917 p.83), E.P. Dutton Company, New York, 1919, p.75 Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
My understanding is that anything used pre- 1935, the FDA cannot rule against it, this does not mean that they won't try to use scare tactics and intimidation, I would not be afraid to go to court at any time to defend my rights against any government. Blessings Ted rogalt...@aol.com wrote: Ted: I wonder how your read of FDA action (or inaction) with regard to CS vendor claims (or even non-claims) stacks up against their most recent ruling? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Thaks very much Marshall. I'm sure a combined effort from the CS list would yield several times more published CS results. Perhaps we could request each list subscriber to contribute at least one published positive or negatve (which would be at least as interesting) CS report. Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Great idea, Roger. Say, why can't members of the silver list somehow produce a document explaining the benefits of CS and make it available at no cost (now there's a radical idea) to all members and others as they wish. Dumb idea or what? ;-) Cheers, Steven Geigle Cedar Mill, Oregon, USA sgei...@home.com - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 8:01 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions Thaks very much Marshall. I'm sure a combined effort from the CS list would yield several times more published CS results. Perhaps we could request each list subscriber to contribute at least one published positive or negatve (which would be at least as interesting) CS report. Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be challanged in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from those who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of choice. Blessings Ted Jason R. Eaton wrote: Greetings! Sadly, Terry, that understanding is not correct. Anything used and accepted before 1935 is protected under the grandfather clause, provided ONLY that the FDA does not choose to reclassify it. The FDA ruled that CS is an unclassified drug in September of 1999. However, colloidal silver is still protected under the Vitamin and Mineral Suppliment Act. And so, the bottom line: CS can be sold as such without any medical claims. - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions My understanding is that anything used pre- 1935, the FDA cannot rule against it, this does not mean that they won't try to use scare tactics and intimidation, I would not be afraid to go to court at any time to defend my rights against any government. Blessings Ted rogalt...@aol.com wrote: Ted: I wonder how your read of FDA action (or inaction) with regard to CS vendor claims (or even non-claims) stacks up against their most recent ruling? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Ted Windsor wrote: The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be challanged in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from those who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of choice. Blessings Ted As they say God givith and the government taketh away. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
In a message dated 00-04-07 12:33:19 EDT, you write: The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be challanged in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from those who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of choice. Blessings Ted Ted: When you fill out your 1040 tax return are you not voluntarily waiving your 5th Amendment right not to be a witness against yourself in a possible future criminal case (based on what the IRS finds and uses on that very same 1040 return to build a case against you)? If you think that courts are going to back you up if and when you decide NOT to file your 1040 based on the above argument, there's a little bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Sometimes there's a pretty wide gulf between what SHOULD happen in the GOOD OL' US of A and what actually DOES happen. Roger Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
Jason R. Eaton wrote: Great idea Steve, however: We might be hard pressed to come to agreement on a uniform document. For instance, many believe that CS alone is a fine treatment for acne. However, some of us believe quite the opposite. In cases of true acne, the problem is not in the skin, but the liver. CS in distilled water disturbs the PH balance of the skin, and therefore acts as an irritant to normal tissue that is inflamed. Mix with aloe vera. Works much better, sticks around longer, and has a slightly acid ph for the skin. I would trust people such as are on this list ( whereas I won't even look at the numbers from someone like Robert Becker ) to do such a study. Why would you say this? I consider Robert Becker one of the real pioneers in using silver for burns and so forth. His book The Electric Body is a great resource, and he does not seem to toe the party line when it disagrees with reality. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:29:04 -0700, Ted Windsor t...@home.com wrote: The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be challanged in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from those who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of choice. Blessings Ted Realistically, you have the right to go bankrupt making a point against an entity with unlimited resources. The nail that sticks up is the one that gets pounded down. Chuck -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
