RE: CSa question about silver????
You wrote: I can design and build the most sophisticated CS Gen in the world today. Period. It would make all the others look rather Mickey mouse. Me too. (Although I could use a little help in some of the actual schematic and programming.) It would have to incorporate a microprocessor and a 2 line LCD display and a few switches because it would be programmable. In one mode you could use any size electrodes, any amount of water, and quality of water... Not really sure how it would go over commercially because there is a lot to be said for a plug and play unit. Could have a plug and play mode. Dan -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 5:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSa question about silver Morning Arnold, At 02:26 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles the process has run away in terms of current density and is producing overly large silver particles and has never reached the potentially high level of Ionic concentration. This results in an inferior product, even when the person using it is very diligent. Can you define your Runaway term? A bit more detailed. While your statement may be technically correctly and scientifically correct, I have used my Brain for a control system with my eyes for sensors, of years. Inferior is a bit hard to define. Every single batch has worked wonders, and my current is within limits, and less that the amounts with some of the automatic systems. And further, I know exactly what is happening every minute. Most people with the automatic system are hoping and guessing. I can design and build the most sophisticated CS Gen in the world today. Period. It would make all the others look rather Mickey mouse. I don't use the 3 / 9 stuff. I use a generator with no battery and no power supply. Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSa question about silver????
Hi Chris, What s the voltage of your power supply? So you have decided to make your own colloidal silver. This is a smart move on your part for several reasons. First and foremost is the fact that you will be in complete control of the quality of your product. Colloidal silver is basically a very easy product to make. The process that generates colloidal silver is called electrolysis. It is the same process that is involved in electroplating. This process moves tiny little bits of a metal ( ions ) from one piece of metal parens the anode and program to the cathode, which can theoretically be any conductive metal, but in good practice should also be pure silver. You need a vessel to hold whatever amount of pure distilled water that represents the amount of colloidal silver product that you will end up with. It is very important that this is steam distilled water. Not de-ionized. Not ozonated. We are fortunate in the United States to have this available at stores such as Wal-Mart, Walgreens, and many others. The quality (purity) of the distilled water that you buy by the gallon will vary. It is produced in large plants, and the quality depends on the water quality that they start off with and how well they have maintained their distilling equipment. I will show you how to do a quick check to make sure that the distilled water is suitable for making colloidal silver before you use it. We will start off with the famous but tricky 3-9 method. This method entails the purchase of 3 9 volt batteries and connecting them in series to gain 27 volts. You then simply attach the positive and negative battery terminals to two pieces of silver, which are immersed in water. You are then supposed to sit and watch this until you see a cloud, a yellow cloud, of bubbles emerging from the positive electrode and heading for the negative electrode. The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles the process has run away in terms of current density and is producing overly large silver particles and has never reached the potentially high level of Ionic concentration. This results in an inferior product, even when the person using it is very diligent. We need to explain what we mean when we use the term quote current density quote. The silver electrode that is connected to the positive battery terminal is called the anode. The anode provides the atoms of silver. It will have a certain surface area. There is an optimum level of current density for the purpose of generating the highest level of Ionic concentration before the formation of actual silver particles begins. If this level is exceeded, then particles start forming too early in the process and the process must be stopped before the particles become so large that the water begins to take on a color, starting with a yellowish tinge. This indicates that particles larger than 40nm have begun to form. Many years ago, before we had reasonably priced visible lasers available, we used the presence of a yellow tinge of color as an indicator that the process was finished. Even using the method with current limiting, to prevent runaway, if the process goes on too long, the yellow tinge will appear. There is nothing wrong with having colloidal silver with a slight yellow tinge. The particles are still of the size that will do you no harm. Many times people complain about the length of time that a process requires. Because the water is a very pure to start with as in the process of distillation removes any Ionic content. Ions are what makes water conductive, therefore the current is very low to start with. It builds up very gradually, and as it does the resistance between the electrodes decreases, thereby increasing the current. The greater the distance between the electrodes, the greater resistance. Therefore, one easy way to speed the process is to initially place the electrodes in close proximity. By using a resister as a current limiting device between the batteries and an electrode you can do this quite safely, as even if you touch the electrodes together to form a short circuit, no harm will be done. The resister will limit the current to a safe value. If you place a voltmeter across the current limiting resistor, it will initially show very little voltage being dropped across the resister, because the current will be very low. You will be able to see the current increasing as the ions increase in number as the voltage across the resister will increase proportionately as this occurs. When you observe this effect, you can then gradually move the electrodes further apart. This will substantially decrease the amount of time involved in making the product. You may find that there are people who will suggest adding some salt to the water to speed the process. This is very bad advice. You end up making silver chloride, and a series of unknown
Re: CSa question about silver????
Morning Arnold, At 02:26 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles the process has run away in terms of current density and is producing overly large silver particles and has never reached the potentially high level of Ionic concentration. This results in an inferior product, even when the person using it is very diligent. Can you define your Runaway term? A bit more detailed. While your statement may be technically correctly and scientifically correct, I have used my Brain for a control system with my eyes for sensors, of years. Inferior is a bit hard to define. Every single batch has worked wonders, and my current is within limits, and less that the amounts with some of the automatic systems. And further, I know exactly what is happening every minute. Most people with the automatic system are hoping and guessing. I can design and build the most sophisticated CS Gen in the world today. Period. It would make all the others look rather Mickey mouse. I don't use the 3 / 9 stuff. I use a generator with no battery and no power supply. Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSa question about silver????
Morning Arnold, The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles the process has run away in terms of current density I don't understand this. I have never seen any bubbles ? Where do the bubbles come from ? Who looks for bubbles ? Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSa question about silver????
On Nov 1, 2007, at 4:13 AM, Wayne Fugitt wrote: Morning Arnold, The problem with this method is that by the time you see these bubbles the process has run away in terms of current density I don't understand this. I have never seen any bubbles ? Where do the bubbles come from ? Who looks for bubbles ? Wayne === Good Morning Wayne, When I first started out making it, I followed some instructions on a website showing a very simple method that Arnold has described. It was more like a yellow mist, floating from one electrode to the other. That is the visual clue that it is almost time to turn it off. It does look very cool. Then I found some instructions on what size potentiometer to get to put in series and control the current, making a higher quality product. So these are some very simple instructions for someone that does not have much to work with. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSa question about silver????
Evening Ruth, At 11:39 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: Wow!!!A CS Gen with no battery or power supply?!?! I did not say there was no voltage source. I used the term power supply the way many use it which is technically incorrect. Many terms are murdered on this list and others. Any power source is a power supply of sorts, be in the conventional power supply, transformer, battery, solar collector, house power, solar ponds, chemical tanks or containers, or generators. The power source for my generator is the telephone line, frowned upon by many. While the phone company maintains huge battery banks, after a long enough outage, depending on generators, it may loose power also. Plus, it is not available in remote locations. I think someone now sells something similar but I built this long ago after observing the phone line voltage is about two times the 3 / 9 volt batteries, 27 compared to 52 VDC. I'm very limited by budget, but it costs nothing to ask, I have a Silverpuppy that I'm very happy with, but not having to have batteries or power would be wonderful! You best provide power for that one and forget most of the others. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
