Re: CSre: silver toxicity - human toxicity
We are currently witnessing the logging off of the third generation of second growth Redwood and Douglas Fir in some areas here in the PNW, and yes the trees are inferior quality but this is due to even aged management which really means cut the whole damn hillside - it's cheaper that way or; Who cares if the mudslides suffocate the salmon?. A book titled *A Forest Journey* by John Perlin will give you some insight into the historical cycles of wealth and impoverishment in western cultures caused by 'cut and run' logging. On another part of the puzzle, most trees have a symbiotic relationship to so-called mycorhyzal fungal mycelia which aid the tree's roots in procuring not only mineral but specialized nutrients from the soil. These aren't the 'conks' or other saprophytes that are diseases of trees nor decomposers that reduce deadwood to fertile soil. They're almost uniformly overlooked but virtually essential components of the ecological chain. Without a forest they tend to die out and without their presence regenerating a healthy forest is difficult to impossible. The coasts of Yugoslavia were once heavily forested, until roman conquests and repeated logging reduced them to their present bare and rocky state. They haven't recovered in 1400 years. In yet another pathetically transparent ploy to keep this on-topic; trees were the primary historical source of energy, being used in the smelting of silver and other metals as well as keeping the famous roman baths going. Take care, Malcolm James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Somewhere. I read that forests can produce only two crops without glaciation. Elsewhere I have read that rock flour, so fine it almost behaves like a liquid, is the most effective way of increasing soil fertility and production; it feeds the microorganism that feed the plants. Re-establishing the microorganisms themselves is also very effective. Add some manure and you have the whole package. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: mamapug [mailto:mama...@netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 10:09 AM To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSre: silver toxicity Dear Ivan, For what its worth, I recently saw a segment on a news program where they showed that vegetables and fruits from 50 years ago, the year I was born, BTW, were much higher in vitamins and minerals than things grown today. I personally suspect the difference is in the way the fields are fertilized. Back then much more animal manure was used, whereas today farmers use mostly chemicals. Basically farmers are feeding the plants` growth, but not ours! I also recall another program where they showed a field that was fertilized on one side with chemicals, the other side with manure. When a flock of sheep were turned in to graze, they all stayed on the manured side!! Dumb animals?? Where can we buy manure-fertilized produce? Marshalee There is a famous congressional report that supposedly proves that the soil has been leached of minerals in the last 100 years or so. All minerals have their origins in rock, and rock dust (of the appropriate kind) is the best fertiliser. Humic acids (notably fulvic) are powerful solvents, which leach out rock bound minerals, sequester them, and transport them in run-off and the water table for great distances. Plants absorb these minerals from the leachate and use them as part of their growth cycle. Certain plants have an affinity for silver, mushrooms and wheat come to mind, and hence silver finds its way into our diet. I am not sure that current populations are more healthy than previous, indeed, the incidence of cancer, obesity and heart disease are at epidemic proportions... but as you say, it comes down to diet. Regards Ivan --- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSre: silver toxicity
There is a famous congressional report that supposedly proves that the soil has been leached of minerals in the last 100 years or so. All minerals have their origins in rock, and rock dust (of the appropriate kind) is the best fertiliser. Humic acids (notably fulvic) are powerful solvents, which leach out rock bound minerals, sequester them, and transport them in run-off and the water table for great distances. Plants absorb these minerals from the leachate and use them as part of their growth cycle. Certain plants have an affinity for silver, mushrooms and wheat come to mind, and hence silver finds its way into our diet. I am not sure that current populations are more healthy than previous, indeed, the incidence of cancer, obesity and heart disease are at epidemic proportions... but as you say, it comes down to diet. Regards Ivan -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2002 4:51 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSre: silver toxicity How do ancestors get silver from soil when silver is a precious metal because of its rarity? Maybe some ancestors got some and maybe thay were healthier than many other ancestors, most of whom lived for about 40 years. There's something about wearing yourself out with hard labor or getting killed young in a very dangerous world that tends to prevent old age related disease. Does a shrew ever get cancer? Would you, if you starved to death at 35 or got run over by a bison? There's organic soil [mulch, humus etc] and inorganic soil [mineral, ground up rock] Minerals leaching from mineral soil? Wouldn't you be left with plain old rock? [chock full of minerals] Since when is any given area of rock the same as any other area? Does granite have the same silver content as quarts? [Or the same radioactive trace elements?] Has anyone made a chemical comparison between foods from 100 yrs ago and today? [I think not] I dunno, My BS-o-meter is screaming modern myth. If people are vitamin deficient, it's probably because they don't eat right...not that many of our ancestors did either. Seen a case of scurvy or rickets lately? Goiters? Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSre: silver toxicity
Dear Ivan, For what its worth, I recently saw a segment on a news program where they showed that vegetables and fruits from 50 years ago, the year I was born, BTW, were much higher in vitamins and minerals than things grown today. I personally suspect the difference is in the way the fields are fertilized. Back then much more animal manure was used, whereas today farmers use mostly chemicals. Basically farmers are feeding the plants` growth, but not ours! I also recall another program where they showed a field that was fertilized on one side with chemicals, the other side with manure. When a flock of sheep were turned in to graze, they all stayed on the manured side!! Dumb animals?? Where can we buy manure-fertilized produce? Marshalee There is a famous congressional report that supposedly proves that the soil has been leached of minerals in the last 100 years or so. All minerals have their origins in rock, and rock dust (of the appropriate kind) is the best fertiliser. Humic acids (notably fulvic) are powerful solvents, which leach out rock bound minerals, sequester them, and transport them in run-off and the water table for great distances. Plants absorb these minerals from the leachate and use them as part of their growth cycle. Certain plants have an affinity for silver, mushrooms and wheat come to mind, and hence silver finds its way into our diet. I am not sure that current populations are more healthy than previous, indeed, the incidence of cancer, obesity and heart disease are at epidemic proportions... but as you say, it comes down to diet. Regards Ivan --- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSre: silver toxicity
Somewhere. I read that forests can produce only two crops without glaciation. Elsewhere I have read that rock flour, so fine it almost behaves like a liquid, is the most effective way of increasing soil fertility and production; it feeds the microorganism that feed the plants. Re-establishing the microorganisms themselves is also very effective. Add some manure and you have the whole package. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: mamapug [mailto:mama...@netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 10:09 AM To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSre: silver toxicity Dear Ivan, For what its worth, I recently saw a segment on a news program where they showed that vegetables and fruits from 50 years ago, the year I was born, BTW, were much higher in vitamins and minerals than things grown today. I personally suspect the difference is in the way the fields are fertilized. Back then much more animal manure was used, whereas today farmers use mostly chemicals. Basically farmers are feeding the plants` growth, but not ours! I also recall another program where they showed a field that was fertilized on one side with chemicals, the other side with manure. When a flock of sheep were turned in to graze, they all stayed on the manured side!! Dumb animals?? Where can we buy manure-fertilized produce? Marshalee There is a famous congressional report that supposedly proves that the soil has been leached of minerals in the last 100 years or so. All minerals have their origins in rock, and rock dust (of the appropriate kind) is the best fertiliser. Humic acids (notably fulvic) are powerful solvents, which leach out rock bound minerals, sequester them, and transport them in run-off and the water table for great distances. Plants absorb these minerals from the leachate and use them as part of their growth cycle. Certain plants have an affinity for silver, mushrooms and wheat come to mind, and hence silver finds its way into our diet. I am not sure that current populations are more healthy than previous, indeed, the incidence of cancer, obesity and heart disease are at epidemic proportions... but as you say, it comes down to diet. Regards Ivan --- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSre: silver toxicity
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:09:02 -0600, mamapug mama...@netzero.net wrote: For what its worth, I recently saw a segment on a news program where they showed that vegetables and fruits from 50 years ago, the year I was born, BTW, were much higher in vitamins and minerals than things grown today. I personally suspect the difference is in the way the fields are fertilized. I think this is a case of the macronutrients being replaced, but not the trace elements. Thus the the soil becomes depleted in elements that we may not even know about. Fertilizers such as fishmeal and seaweed contain ALL the elements from an undepleted source. Back then much more animal manure was used, whereas today farmers use mostly chemicals. 's funny. I've recently come across info that goes 180 degrees opposite, saying that manured crops and animals raised on them are NOT good for our health. Bothered me 'cause I always thought manure was great fertilizer. Basically farmers are feeding the plants` growth, but not ours! I also recall another program where they showed a field that was fertilized on one side with chemicals, the other side with manure. When a flock of sheep were turned in to graze, they all stayed on the manured side!! Dumb animals?? Again, it's strange. I saw a similar example in Dr Jarvis' book claiming the opposite as proof that animals know that the manured feed was unhealthy. Maybe Wayne has some experience. Where can we buy manure-fertilized produce? Lots of organic produce showing up in regular groceries now. Chuck If you jog in a jogging suit, lounge in lounging pajamas, and smoke in a smoking jacket, WHY would anyone want to wear a windbreaker?? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: [Re: CSre: silver toxicity]
mamapug, Anything anyone may post someone will say you are wrong. Now someone come and say I am wrong. Yours Hank cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:09:02 -0600, mamapug mama...@netzero.net wrote: For what its worth, I recently saw a segment on a news program where they showed that vegetables and fruits from 50 years ago, the year I was born, BTW, were much higher in vitamins and minerals than things grown today. I personally suspect the difference is in the way the fields are fertilized. I think this is a case of the macronutrients being replaced, but not the trace elements. Thus the the soil becomes depleted in elements that we may not even know about. Fertilizers such as fishmeal and seaweed contain ALL the elements from an undepleted source. Back then much more animal manure was used, whereas today farmers use mostly chemicals. 's funny. I've recently come across info that goes 180 degrees opposite, saying that manured crops and animals raised on them are NOT good for our health. Bothered me 'cause I always thought manure was great fertilizer. Basically farmers are feeding the plants` growth, but not ours! I also recall another program where they showed a field that was fertilized on one side with chemicals, the other side with manure. When a flock of sheep were turned in to graze, they all stayed on the manured side!! Dumb animals?? Again, it's strange. I saw a similar example in Dr Jarvis' book claiming the opposite as proof that animals know that the manured feed was unhealthy. Maybe Wayne has some experience. Where can we buy manure-fertilized produce? Lots of organic produce showing up in regular groceries now. Chuck If you jog in a jogging suit, lounge in lounging pajamas, and smoke in a smoking jacket, WHY would anyone want to wear a windbreaker?? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Yours Hankhttp://hdka.myecom.net/ct/ct.htm http://www.victorthorn.com/babel/issue71/wing2.html
Re: CSre: silver toxicity
How do ancestors get silver from soil when silver is a precious metal because of its rarity? Maybe some ancestors got some and maybe thay were healthier than many other ancestors, most of whom lived for about 40 years. There's something about wearing yourself out with hard labor or getting killed young in a very dangerous world that tends to prevent old age related disease. Does a shrew ever get cancer? Would you, if you starved to death at 35 or got run over by a bison? There's organic soil [mulch, humus etc] and inorganic soil [mineral, ground up rock] Minerals leaching from mineral soil? Wouldn't you be left with plain old rock? [chock full of minerals] Since when is any given area of rock the same as any other area? Does granite have the same silver content as quarts? [Or the same radioactive trace elements?] Has anyone made a chemical comparison between foods from 100 yrs ago and today? [I think not] I dunno, My BS-o-meter is screaming modern myth. If people are vitamin deficient, it's probably because they don't eat right...not that many of our ancestors did either. Seen a case of scurvy or rickets lately? Goiters? Ken At 09:39 PM 10/11/02 -0500, you wrote: Three teaspoons a day will never hurt you. Our ancesters used to get silver naturally through the food they ate. Just like everything else, vitamins, iron, calcium, etc., These things have been depleted from the soil so we must take supplements. Just include a small amontof silver to your other supp[lememts. Nancy - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: Re: CSre: silver toxicity From: paula bomer pbomr...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:16:39 -0700 (PDT) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSre: silver toxicity Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:16:46 -0700 I have been taking a fancy brand (immunogenics silver) on and off-- about 3 teaspoons a day, most recently for about a week--that is the longest time. I am worried that I am dehydrated? Should I be? What should I do? *** The answer seems rather obvious --DRINK MORE WATER!!! Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSre: silver toxicity
Three teaspoons a day will never hurt you. Our ancesters used to get silver naturally through the food they ate. Just like everything else, vitamins, iron, calcium, etc., These things have been depleted from the soil so we must take supplements. Just include a small amontof silver to your other supp[lememts. Nancy - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: Re: CSre: silver toxicity From: paula bomer pbomr...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:16:39 -0700 (PDT) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSre: silver toxicity Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:16:46 -0700 I have been taking a fancy brand (immunogenics silver) on and off-- about 3 teaspoons a day, most recently for about a week--that is the longest time. I am worried that I am dehydrated? Should I be? What should I do? *** The answer seems rather obvious --DRINK MORE WATER!!! Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSre: silver toxicity
From: paula bomer pbomr...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:16:39 -0700 (PDT) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSre: silver toxicity Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:16:46 -0700 I have been taking a fancy brand (immunogenics silver) on and off-- about 3 teaspoons a day, most recently for about a week--that is the longest time. I am worried that I am dehydrated? Should I be? What should I do? *** The answer seems rather obvious --DRINK MORE WATER!!! Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
