Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion

[Marshall]

I believe it was around 5 ppm.

Marshall

On 2/14/2011 11:53 AM, Frank wrote:

Marshall Can you disclose the ppm of your 10 year old susp.?
Frank
*From:* Marshall Dudley <mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com>
*Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2011 11:45 AM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Subject:* Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion
I am not sure what they mean by a long shelf life. I have several 
bottles that are over 10 years old that are still in suspension.  If 
theirs does not have a long shelf life, then they are doing something 
wrong, storing in contaminated bottles,  or using contaminated water 
when it is made.


Marshall

On 2/11/2011 10:38 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:




The statement below was posted in one of my other groupscould I 
get some clarity from people in the group about this please?

thanks in advance Debbie
As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long shelf life.
The silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after a period 
of time. I think they lose their electrical charge and clump 
together, most commercially available CS contain stabilizers.

Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion

[Frank]

Marshall Can you disclose the ppm of your 10 year old susp.?
Frank

From: Marshall Dudley 
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 11:45 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion

I am not sure what they mean by a long shelf life. I have several bottles that 
are over 10 years old that are still in suspension.  If theirs does not have a 
long shelf life, then they are doing something wrong, storing in contaminated 
bottles,  or using contaminated water when it is made.

Marshall

On 2/11/2011 10:38 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote: 

 
   
The statement below was posted in one of my other 
groupscould I get some clarity from people in the group about this please?
thanks in advance Debbie

As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long 
shelf life.
The silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after 
a period of time. I think they lose their electrical charge and clump together, 
most commercially available CS contain stabilizers.

   

   
 
 
   

Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion

[Marshall Dudley]

I am not sure what they mean by a long shelf life. I have several 
bottles that are over 10 years old that are still in suspension.  If 
theirs does not have a long shelf life, then they are doing something 
wrong, storing in contaminated bottles,  or using contaminated water 
when it is made.


Marshall

On 2/11/2011 10:38 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:




The statement below was posted in one of my other groupscould I 
get some clarity from people in the group about this please?

thanks in advance Debbie
As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long shelf life.
The silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after a period of 
time. I think they lose their electrical charge and clump together, 
most commercially available CS contain stabilizers.

Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion Ode

[Deborah Gerard]

The water is reverse osmosis waterI just thought it would be a good idea to 
have some degree of cs going into
me all day being I am exposed to sick people all the time, and it is convenient 
to have it in the water that I carry with 

me daily,
Thanks again Ode
Debbie





From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 13, 2011 6:52:21 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion Ode

If you think your drinking water needs to be sterilized, fine
Otherwise

  Why on earth would you want to?

I don't think that exposing your CS to contaminants all-day is going to 
help the CS any.

Ode

At 09:02 AM 2/12/2011 -0800, you wrote:
>Thanks tons Ode
>Does it hurt to put it in your cold drinking water? Just for the day, that 
>I carry around with me?
>Your awesome :)
>
>
>From: Ode Coyote 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>


  

Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion Ode

[Ode Coyote]

If you think your drinking water needs to be sterilized, fine
Otherwise

  Why on earth would you want to?

I don't think that exposing your CS to contaminants all-day is going to 
help the CS any.


Ode

At 09:02 AM 2/12/2011 -0800, you wrote:

Thanks tons Ode
Does it hurt to put it in your cold drinking water? Just for the day, that 
I carry around with me?

Your awesome :)


From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 7:49:07 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion



  I have never found a shelf life for home made CS and I've kept samples 
for over 8 years...if kept well sealed away from the air which can 
eventually oxidize ions or make light sensitive silver carbonates from 
the CO2 in the air.
If particles are colloidal in size they will never fall out of suspension, 
but they can cluster some, being held apart by weak Van der Waals forces.
Excessive Brownian motion [heat] could possibly case a few collisions over 
time.


Ions are not in suspension TO fall out, they are in solution and cannot 
fall out and still remain ions.

Ions are held apart by strong electron shell charges and can't cluster.

Electromagnetic radiation can add electrons to ions at the surface of the 
container and cause some "plate out".


If you make strong CS cold, the solubility limit of the water drops and 
some ions are forced to become particles which can then drop out.


Only Mild Silver Protein [MSP] contains stabilizers..not the same thing.

CS made with pure water and pure silver, sealed up well and away from 
brush type motors and radio transmitters, kept at room 
temperatures...seems to last forever.
Even when not, seems to last a long time. Several months at least but no 
limit to, at most.

Even if a bit degraded, it's still good, just not 'as good'
Worst thing to do is freeze it.

Ode


At 07:38 PM 2/11/2011 -0800, you wrote:
> The statement below was posted in one of my other groupscould I get 
some clarity from people in the group about this please?

> thanks in advance Debbie
>
> As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long shelf life.
> The silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after a period of 
time. I think they lose their electrical charge and clump together, most 
commercially available CS contain stabilizers.



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Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion-Ole Bob

[Tony Moody]

Sorry Deb, 
I can't help with specifics. It was an on going topic for several years. Ode 
and Marshall know 
the most about the subject. 

OK,
Tony

On 12 Feb 2011 at 8:56, Deborah Gerard wrote about :
Subject : CS>CS falling out of suspesion-Ole 

> Tony do you recall the topic in Ole Bob's experient so I can search the
> archives? Thanks for the reply's folks, Deb
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Tony Moody 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 6:05:45 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion
> 
> Properly made colloidal silver lasts a long time. More than two years in a
> polycarbonate bottle 
> 
> left in a sunny window showed very little if any deterioration. Ref Ole
> Bob's experiments in the 
> 
> archives.
> 
> The way I make it using tap water, it may last a week if kept cool and in
> the dark before the 
> 
> silver falls out of suspension. Of course adding a tiny amount of H2O2
> seems to re-dissolve 
> 
> that.
> 
> OK,
> Tony 
> 
> On 11 Feb 2011 at 19:38, Deborah Gerard wrote about :
> Subject : CS>CS falling out of suspesion
> 
> > The statement below was posted in one of my other groupscould I get
> > some clarity from people in the group about this please? thanks in
> > advance Debbie
> > 
> > As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long shelf life. The
> > silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after a period of time.
> > I think they lose their electrical charge and clump together, most
> > commercially available CS contain stabilizers.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion

[Guyot Léna]

It's my understanding that CS, or EIS should only be made with  
distilled water. Tap water can contain minerals and metals which will  
contaminate the process.  In the case of some generators, they simply  
will not accept that and shut off.

On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Marshall wrote:

If you are using tap water than you are making silver chloride, silver  
fluoride and possible silver nitrate. They are all photoactive and  
will eventually fall out in a bottle, or in your skin if you drink it.  
I would not touch that at all.


Marshall

On 2/12/2011 6:05 AM, Tony Moody wrote:
Properly made colloidal silver lasts a long time. More than two  
years in a

 polycarbonate bottle
left in a sunny window showed very little if any deterioration. Ref  
Ole

 Bob's experiments in the
archives.

The way I make it using tap water, it may last a week if kept cool  
and in

 the dark before the
silver falls out of suspension. Of course adding a tiny amount of  
H2O2 seems

 to re-dissolve
that.

OK,
Tony

On 11 Feb 2011 at 19:38, Deborah Gerard wrote about :
Subject : CS>CS falling out of suspesion

The statement below was posted in one of my other groupscould I  
get
some clarity from people in the group about this please? thanks in  
advance

Debbie

As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long shelf life.
The silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after a period  
of
time. I think they lose their electrical charge and clump together,  
most

commercially available CS contain stabilizers.






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Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion Ode

[Deborah Gerard]

Thanks tons Ode
Does it hurt to put it in your cold drinking water? Just for the day, that I 
carry around with me?
Your awesome :)





From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 7:49:07 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion



  I have never found a shelf life for home made CS and I've kept samples for 
over 8 years...if kept well sealed away from the air which can eventually 
oxidize ions or make light sensitive silver carbonates from the CO2 in the air.
If particles are colloidal in size they will never fall out of suspension, but 
they can cluster some, being held apart by weak Van der Waals forces.
Excessive Brownian motion [heat] could possibly case a few collisions over time.

Ions are not in suspension TO fall out, they are in solution and cannot fall 
out 
and still remain ions.
Ions are held apart by strong electron shell charges and can't cluster.

Electromagnetic radiation can add electrons to ions at the surface of the 
container and cause some "plate out".

If you make strong CS cold, the solubility limit of the water drops and some 
ions are forced to become particles which can then drop out.

Only Mild Silver Protein [MSP] contains stabilizers..not the same thing.

CS made with pure water and pure silver, sealed up well and away from brush 
type 
motors and radio transmitters, kept at room temperatures...seems to last 
forever.
Even when not, seems to last a long time. Several months at least but no limit 
to, at most.
Even if a bit degraded, it's still good, just not 'as good'
Worst thing to do is freeze it.

Ode


At 07:38 PM 2/11/2011 -0800, you wrote:
> The statement below was posted in one of my other groupscould I get some 
>clarity from people in the group about this please?
> thanks in advance Debbie
> 
> As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long shelf life.
> The silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after a period of time. 
> I 
>think they lose their electrical charge and clump together, most commercially 
>available CS contain stabilizers.


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Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion

[Marshall]

If you are using tap water than you are making silver chloride, silver 
fluoride and possible silver nitrate. They are all photoactive and will 
eventually fall out in a bottle, or in your skin if you drink it. I 
would not touch that at all.


Marshall

On 2/12/2011 6:05 AM, Tony Moody wrote:

Properly made colloidal silver lasts a long time. More than two years in a
  polycarbonate bottle
left in a sunny window showed very little if any deterioration. Ref Ole
  Bob's experiments in the
archives.

The way I make it using tap water, it may last a week if kept cool and in
  the dark before the
silver falls out of suspension. Of course adding a tiny amount of H2O2 seems
  to re-dissolve
that.

OK,
Tony

On 11 Feb 2011 at 19:38, Deborah Gerard wrote about :
Subject : CS>CS falling out of suspesion


The statement below was posted in one of my other groupscould I get
some clarity from people in the group about this please? thanks in advance
Debbie

As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long shelf life.
The silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after a period of
time. I think they lose their electrical charge and clump together, most
commercially available CS contain stabilizers.






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Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion

[Tel Tofflemire]

Deborah, 
I think that is someones personal idea? But not necessarily a fact.
 I have been using and making Colloidal Silver since I was 10 yr old helping my 
Father (a Veterinarian) and rancher. CS was his only disinfectant I remember 
him 
ever using. 

Some of the CS was 30 years old when they moved to town, people bought it at 
the 
auction. Its name was "Tofflemire Liniment."  My dad gave his knowledge to the 
local druggist in town and anyone could ask for it. They sold it by the quart & 
gallon. I know it was popular with the area farmers. They all used it as a 
primary disinfectant. 
 My point, it never went bad. 
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: Deborah Gerard 
To: cs 
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 8:38:17 PM
Subject: CS>CS falling out of suspesion


  
The statement below was posted in one of my other groupscould I get some 
clarity from people in the group about this  please?
thanks in advance Debbie
 
As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long shelf life.
The silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after a period of time. I 
think they lose their electrical charge and clump together, most commercially 
available CS contain stabilizers.


  

Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion

[Ode Coyote]

  I have never found a shelf life for home made CS and I've kept samples 
for over 8 years...if kept well sealed away from the air which can 
eventually oxidize ions or make light sensitive silver carbonates from the 
CO2 in the air.
If particles are colloidal in size they will never fall out of suspension, 
but they can cluster some, being held apart by weak Van der Waals forces.
 Excessive Brownian motion [heat] could possibly case a few collisions 
over time.


Ions are not in suspension TO fall out, they are in solution and cannot 
fall out and still remain ions.

Ions are held apart by strong electron shell charges and can't cluster.

 Electromagnetic radiation can add electrons to ions at the surface of the 
container and cause some "plate out".


 If you make strong CS cold, the solubility limit of the water drops and 
some ions are forced to become particles which can then drop out.


Only Mild Silver Protein [MSP] contains stabilizers..not the same thing.

CS made with pure water and pure silver, sealed up well and away from brush 
type motors and radio transmitters, kept at room temperatures...seems to 
last forever.
Even when not, seems to last a long time. Several months at least but no 
limit to, at most.

 Even if a bit degraded, it's still good, just not 'as good'
Worst thing to do is freeze it.

Ode


At 07:38 PM 2/11/2011 -0800, you wrote:
The statement below was posted in one of my other groupscould I get 
some clarity from people in the group about this please?

thanks in advance Debbie

As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long shelf life.
The silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after a period of 
time. I think they lose their electrical charge and clump together, most 
commercially available CS contain stabilizers.



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Re: CS>CS falling out of suspesion

[Tony Moody]

Properly made colloidal silver lasts a long time. More than two years in a 
polycarbonate bottle 
left in a sunny window showed very little if any deterioration. Ref Ole Bob's 
experiments in the 
archives.

The way I make it using tap water, it may last a week if kept cool and in the 
dark before the 
silver falls out of suspension. Of course adding a tiny amount of H2O2 seems to 
re-dissolve 
that.

OK,
Tony 

On 11 Feb 2011 at 19:38, Deborah Gerard wrote about :
Subject : CS>CS falling out of suspesion

> The statement below was posted in one of my other groupscould I get
> some clarity from people in the group about this please? thanks in advance
> Debbie
> 
> As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long shelf life.
> The silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after a period of
> time. I think they lose their electrical charge and clump together, most
> commercially available CS contain stabilizers.
> 
> 
> 



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