Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site===Marshalee
I don 't have problems with first hand experiences as long as they fall within scientific tennants.Its not a matter of what one thinks or believes its a matter of truth.To personally claim A conclusion is not scientific validity.I fail to see the point that recluse bites are bad, but that has nothing to do with the efficacy of CS. Noel -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site===Marshalee
> If you have certitude the CS nedutralized the venom, then please tell us > how or give documentation. How do you know your Immune system did not > clear the venom? Scientific facts are demonstrated and proven not just > claimed. I said I knew of no çlaims of such. Do You? > > Noel Well, do you know of ANYONE who has not had terrible results from a Recluse bite? I don`t think immune systems can stop such a nasty venom. CS however has stopped my itchy skeeter bites as well as the spider bites, not to mention Lyme Disease. So, do you have a problem with people`s first hand experiences? Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site===Marshalee
<> Smart does not autoimatically confer common sense. That is a ridiculous statement. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site=== Marshalee
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:13:55 -0400 (EDT), no...@webtv.net (Noel White) wrote: >If you have certitude the CS nedutralized the venom, then please tell us >how or give documentation. How do you know your Immune system did not >clear the venom? Scientific facts are demonstrated and proven not just >claimed. I said I knew of no çlaims of such. Do You? You haven't seen what brown recluse spider bites can do. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site===Marshalee
The smartest person I ever knew, I.Q. off scale as tests failed at 400, told me, "The scientific method is like grabbing nature by the throat and demanding an answer." James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Noel White [mailto:no...@webtv.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site===Marshalee If you have certitude the CS nedutralized the venom, then please tell us how or give documentation. How do you know your Immune system did not clear the venom? Scientific facts are demonstrated and proven not just claimed. I said I knew of no çlaims of such. Do You? Noel -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site=== Marshalee
If you have certitude the CS nedutralized the venom, then please tell us how or give documentation. How do you know your Immune system did not clear the venom? Scientific facts are demonstrated and proven not just claimed. I said I knew of no çlaims of such. Do You? Noel -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site
If I remember right O2 is is absorbed onto the surface, and splits apart so you end up with O on the surface. So the oxygen is much more available due to it being monoatomic. Virtually any chemistry book will give more information. There is also information on the net: http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/silver/ Silver's catalytic properties make it ideal for use as a catalyst in oxidation reactions; for example, the production of formaldehyde from methanol and air by means of silver screens or crystallites containing a minimum 99.95 weight-percent silver. http://www.howstuffworks.com/question159.htm http://www.carondelet.pvt.k12.ca.us/Moles/SilverStoryA.htm In its colloidal form, silver serves as a catalyst in the manufacturing of certain alcohol. http://www.cri-catalysts.com/eo-frameset.htm Ethylene Oxide (EO), one of the major building blocks of the chemical industry, is selectively formed when Ethylene and Oxygen are passed over the silver based EO catalyst. http://www.chem-eng.toronto.edu/~webmims/chrisr1.html The mechanism of ethylene epoxidation over silver has been subject to intense scrutiny and debate because understanding it may lead to improved ethylene oxide selectivity beyond the limits of current industrial catalysts (-85%) [2-5]. Different types of oxygen exist on silver, depending on adsorption conditions; these include molecular, subsurface and various forms of surface atomic oxygen, as shown in figure 1.1 and explained in detail in section 2.2.3. Their roles in ethylene epoxidation are critical, and much work has focused on this aspect. Over the last decade, basic research into ethylene epoxidation chemistry has provided solid evidence in support of an atomic oxygen mechanism [6-10]. http://www.aist.go.jp/NIMC/publication/annual97/09/09_5.html The addition of silver to TiO2-ZrO2 catalyst caused a drastic enhancement of NO reduction activity with propene. This silver additive effect was accounted for by the assumption that silver promotes the reaction of NO2 with propene to form a partially oxidized hydrocarbon, which is the rate-determining step. http://www.speclab.com/elements/silver.htm as catalyst in hydrogenation & oxidn (oxidation) http://www.sharelynx.net/Papers/SilverHistory.htm Silvers catalytic properties make it ideal for use as a catalyst in oxidation reactions; for example, the production of formaldehyde from methanol and air, catalyzed by silver screens or crystallites containing a minimum 99.95 weight-percent silver (Butts and Coxe, 1967, p. 1-15). This is an interesting use of silver to prevent foot odor: http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/pr10aug01.html There are many more if you search for them. Marshall "Jonathan B. Britten" wrote: > This is interesting. Why does silver catalyze oxidation? It attracts > oxygen molecues in the body? In jewelry, silver tarnishes (oxidizes) > rapidly, but superficially. It the same thing happening in the body? > > JBB > > Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > > Noel White wrote: > > > > > Nothing can kill a toxin=== they are neutralized=== CS kills > > > microbials. and enhances the immune system, but I know of no > > > documentation that CS neutralizes toxins. > > > > Silver is a very strong oxidizing catalyst. That means that it has the > > capability of neutralizing any toxin that is easily oxidized. The question > > is if that toxin is easily oxidized by a catalyst. > > > > Marshall > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site
This is interesting. Why does silver catalyze oxidation? It attracts oxygen molecues in the body? In jewelry, silver tarnishes (oxidizes) rapidly, but superficially. It the same thing happening in the body? JBB Marshall Dudley wrote: > > Noel White wrote: > > > Nothing can kill a toxin=== they are neutralized=== CS kills > > microbials. and enhances the immune system, but I know of no > > documentation that CS neutralizes toxins. > > Silver is a very strong oxidizing catalyst. That means that it has the > capability of neutralizing any toxin that is easily oxidized. The question > is if that toxin is easily oxidized by a catalyst. > > Marshall > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site
Marshall wrote that for CS to work against food poisoning, it would necessarily have to inactivate toxins. I am not sure about this, but it seems to me that CS or any other effective medicine would not need to inactivate toxins if the medicine were administered soon after ingestion of the toxin-producing bacteria. If it were destroyed early, there would be a low level of toxins which the body could flush out. In Japan, some children died of o-157 bacteria -- source still unknown, possibly due to AUM Shinikyo poisioning of water tanks, though this is only a hypothesis -- because doctors gave them massive doses of anti-biotics which ruptured the bacillus, releasing all the toxins at once. I am not authority on this topic, but the main point is this: if CS does NOT inactivate toxins -- I have no idea whether it does nor not -- then the key step would be to take CS at the very first twinge of dis-ease. Same would go for any other remedy. BTW r.e. the posting about "650" -- a common claim is that only CS can kill viruses, whereas antibiotics can not. Dr. Y. Omura MD claims that EPA/DHA fish oil is a powerful agent against bacteria and viruses. This is a cheap, widely-available nutraceutical which it might be wise to stockpile. JBB -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site
> Nothing can kill a toxin=== they are neutralized=== CS kills > microbials. and enhances the immune system, but I know of no > documentation that CS neutralizes toxins. > > Noel Dear Noel, Then what did the CS do to the Brown Recluse spider venom from the 2 bites on my face 2 years ago?? I have 2 small pits in the skin, instead of requiring half my face to be skin-grafted! Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site
Noel White wrote: > Nothing can kill a toxin=== they are neutralized=== CS kills > microbials. and enhances the immune system, but I know of no > documentation that CS neutralizes toxins. Silver is a very strong oxidizing catalyst. That means that it has the capability of neutralizing any toxin that is easily oxidized. The question is if that toxin is easily oxidized by a catalyst. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site
Nothing can kill a toxin=== they are neutralized=== CS kills microbials. and enhances the immune system, but I know of no documentation that CS neutralizes toxins. Noel -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Curious Quote from that recently recommended site
Very observant. I have wondered if it might do that since experience has shown that taking CS will stop food poisoning almost instantly. That could only make sense if it was not only killing the bacteria, but neutralizing the toxin as well. Good job. Marshall "James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote: > The following is excerpted from > http://www.evergreen-colorado.com/health/silver.shtml > > Doubled White Blood Cells > > Colloidal silver not only killed bacteria, viruses andbacillus toxins > [emphasis added by JOH], it bolstered the immune system, according to > studies published in a 1916 issue of Transactions of the American > Association of Obstetricians and Gynecologist. The author reported > that CS actually doubled the white blood cell counts--our bodies' > major germ fighters. > > End quote. > > Note the bit about toxins.Since they are not alive, they cannot be > killed.Did the writer mean that they were inactivated or > destroyed? > > If so, might there be a cite someplace? > > James-Osbourne: Holmes >
