Re: CS>Gut bacteria and what CS will kill...

[Sandra George]

Thank you Al for this information - every new aspect is always appreciated 
Cheers
Sandee🐬
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On 7 Sep 2014, at 20:28, Alan Faulkner  wrote:

Sandee,
Just so you know, your first daily urine is the strongest and the first third 
of that is very strong. Strong in the sense of pungent. The last third is very 
weak. So mid stream would probably be apropos for testing. That way it is 
consistent

Al


On 2014-09-07, at 13:53 PM, Sandra George wrote:

Hi There Mike - thanks for this insight very useful - the more I learn about 
the functions of the body and the outside influences thereon, is the more I 
understand how technical and hit and miss the medical field of endeavour is - 
this leads me to understand that for me to know what my body needs, I have to 
become my own doctor, to a very large degree, do my own research and really and 
truly find out as much information as I need to have - I am excited to share 
that for the past four mornings my urine readings have been 7.0 to 7.50 
alkaline - I am learning just how important the ph balance is for the body to 
operate at optimum levels.
This is why for me life is so fascinating as there is so much more to learn 
every single day while here on this planet - keep well and thanks for being you 
and having this forum with so many gifted people who choose to share their own 
journeys and results with us 
Many blessings to you 
Sandee🐬


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Re: CS>Gut bacteria and what CS will kill...

[Alan Faulkner]

Sandee,
Just so you know, your first daily urine is the strongest and the first third 
of that is very strong. Strong in the sense of pungent. The last third is very 
weak. So mid stream would probably be apropos for testing. That way it is 
consistent

Al


On 2014-09-07, at 13:53 PM, Sandra George wrote:

Hi There Mike - thanks for this insight very useful - the more I learn about 
the functions of the body and the outside influences thereon, is the more I 
understand how technical and hit and miss the medical field of endeavour is - 
this leads me to understand that for me to know what my body needs, I have to 
become my own doctor, to a very large degree, do my own research and really and 
truly find out as much information as I need to have - I am excited to share 
that for the past four mornings my urine readings have been 7.0 to 7.50 
alkaline - I am learning just how important the ph balance is for the body to 
operate at optimum levels.
This is why for me life is so fascinating as there is so much more to learn 
every single day while here on this planet - keep well and thanks for being you 
and having this forum with so many gifted people who choose to share their own 
journeys and results with us 
Many blessings to you 
Sandee🐬


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RE: CS>Gut bacteria and what CS will kill...

[Jess]

how are you making the ozonated water? Jess

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From: M.G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:47 PM
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Subject: CS>Gut bacteria and what CS will kill...

Neville, Alan, Victor, all,

On the subject of what CS kills... I have personal experience with CS wiping
out my gut flora, good and bad alike. I did it some years back when I was
taking relatively large doses every day for a few weeks.

My symptoms were increasing fatigue and finally the onset of painful muscles
and joints, particularly in the legs. It became hard to walk, hard to get up
from a chair. Everything ached and was weak.

Googling for all I was worth, I pieced together the fact that our gut flora
is responsible for nearly all of the absorption of calcium from our food,
and without it, you'll get major calcium deficiency. Guess what the symptoms
of that include?

I had my wife go right out and buy me a carton of orange juice with added
calcium and within a half hour of drinking a good sized glass of it my
muscles were almost back to normal. Recovery was swift and complete.

We've talked here at times about why CS appears not to disrupt the flora,
and the consensus is that in a solid or semi-solid medium such as the
intestine and bowel contents, CS doesn't have the mobility to reach many of
the bacteria it might otherwise kill. However, if you've got a stomach bug,
diarrhea, or other cause for the contents of your intestines to be either
liquid or gone, then the silver will have a better chance to reach and
destroy the pathogens, and presumably the good bacteria as well, whatever
there is of it.

Under any circumstances where you might damage or destroy your flora, then
probiotics of some sort to repopulate the gut properly are called for. While
I believe CS will be slow to damage the gut bacteria, if you're taking large
doses for more than a day or two, I think such a precaution would be
prudent.

Be well,

Mike D.


On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 08:07 +0900, Victor Cozzetto wrote:
> Hi Alan,
> 
> 
> I agree with your general premise of not taking medicine every day.
> Indeed, it is my goal to perfect my diet and environment, and not take 
> CS every day. And I also think it was great that you mentioned 
> probiotics. Kefir is part of my daily diet.
> 
> 
> However, I am a bit dismayed by two other things you said, and I would 
> like to put my thoughts out there for discussion:
> 
> 
> 1. I do not agree with assumptions about CS indiscriminately killing 
> all bacteria in our body, as research and experience contradict that.
> Nobody yet knows for sure all the exact mechanisms of CS. It seems 
> much more likely that our body somehow works in conjunction with CS.
> If not, then excessive use of CS would decimate our immune system by 
> wiping out the bacteria in our gut. But it does not. The exact 
> mechanisms of CS are still beyond our understanding. Yes we know it 
> kills all pathogens, we know it generates stem cells, we know it kills 
> cancer cells, and we know many different mechanisms for these actions.
> But there is still a lot of mystery there, as the contradictions 
> remain unexplained.
> 
> 
> 2. I do not agree that the Herxheimer reaction is a fallacy. It is 
> caused by the toxic excretions and litter of dying pathogens. I have a 
> lot of first hand experience with this from using the Beck Protocol.
> Dr. Robert Beck recognized this problem and included ozonated water to 
> deal with it. Ozonated water is incredibly effective at neutralizing 
> and eliminating waste from the body, and thus preventing the 
> Herxheimer reaction. Myself and family members have experienced the 
> difference many times. (The Beck Protocol is highly likely to cause a 
> strong Herxheimer reaction if you don't include the ozonated water...
> and sometimes we are too lazy to make the ozonated water... and then 
> are pointedly reminded how effective it is).
> 
> 
> Again, I agree with your general idea of not taking 'medicine' every 
> day. However, I no longer view CS as a medicine. It is certainly not a 
> drug. I know it is not a nutrient or supplement either, but I am just 
> not sure how to categorize it at this point.
> 
> 
> We are practically invulnerable with the right diet, and Dr. Weston A.
> Price has done a great job of documenting that. Best to follow his 
> dietary guidance and keep a bottle of CS in my pocket, just in case 
> ;-)
> 
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Alan Faulkner 
> wrote:
> The whole Herx thing is a bit controversial. Some say it means
> all the bad stuff is dying off, and some say it is a bad
> reaction to the medicine. It was invented to explain away why
> some PPL react to Penicillin .
> 
> Either way I am not in the "take medicine everyday camp"
> because anything that kills bacteria is not selective contrary
> to what some PPL like to believe, 

Re: CS>Gut bacteria and what CS will kill...

[Sandra George]

Hi There Mike - thanks for this insight very useful - the more I learn about 
the functions of the body and the outside influences thereon, is the more I 
understand how technical and hit and miss the medical field of endeavour is - 
this leads me to understand that for me to know what my body needs, I have to 
become my own doctor, to a very large degree, do my own research and really and 
truly find out as much information as I need to have - I am excited to share 
that for the past four mornings my urine readings have been 7.0 to 7.50 
alkaline - I am learning just how important the ph balance is for the body to 
operate at optimum levels.
This is why for me life is so fascinating as there is so much more to learn 
every single day while here on this planet - keep well and thanks for being you 
and having this forum with so many gifted people who choose to share their own 
journeys and results with us 
Many blessings to you 
Sandee🐬
Attitude is everything !!!
Sandra George
Colloidal Silver Products
Eye Drops & Topical Gel
aliveagai...@yahoo.com



On 7 Sep 2014, at 15:46, M.G. Devour  wrote:

Neville, Alan, Victor, all,

On the subject of what CS kills... I have personal experience with CS
wiping out my gut flora, good and bad alike. I did it some years back
when I was taking relatively large doses every day for a few weeks.

My symptoms were increasing fatigue and finally the onset of painful
muscles and joints, particularly in the legs. It became hard to walk,
hard to get up from a chair. Everything ached and was weak.

Googling for all I was worth, I pieced together the fact that our gut
flora is responsible for nearly all of the absorption of calcium from
our food, and without it, you'll get major calcium deficiency. Guess
what the symptoms of that include?

I had my wife go right out and buy me a carton of orange juice with
added calcium and within a half hour of drinking a good sized glass of
it my muscles were almost back to normal. Recovery was swift and
complete.

We've talked here at times about why CS appears not to disrupt the
flora, and the consensus is that in a solid or semi-solid medium such as
the intestine and bowel contents, CS doesn't have the mobility to reach
many of the bacteria it might otherwise kill. However, if you've got a
stomach bug, diarrhea, or other cause for the contents of your
intestines to be either liquid or gone, then the silver will have a
better chance to reach and destroy the pathogens, and presumably the
good bacteria as well, whatever there is of it.

Under any circumstances where you might damage or destroy your flora,
then probiotics of some sort to repopulate the gut properly are called
for. While I believe CS will be slow to damage the gut bacteria, if
you're taking large doses for more than a day or two, I think such a
precaution would be prudent.

Be well,

Mike D.


On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 08:07 +0900, Victor Cozzetto wrote:
> Hi Alan,
> 
> 
> I agree with your general premise of not taking medicine every day.
> Indeed, it is my goal to perfect my diet and environment, and not take
> CS every day. And I also think it was great that you mentioned
> probiotics. Kefir is part of my daily diet.
> 
> 
> However, I am a bit dismayed by two other things you said, and I would
> like to put my thoughts out there for discussion:
> 
> 
> 1. I do not agree with assumptions about CS indiscriminately killing
> all bacteria in our body, as research and experience contradict that.
> Nobody yet knows for sure all the exact mechanisms of CS. It seems
> much more likely that our body somehow works in conjunction with CS.
> If not, then excessive use of CS would decimate our immune system by
> wiping out the bacteria in our gut. But it does not. The exact
> mechanisms of CS are still beyond our understanding. Yes we know it
> kills all pathogens, we know it generates stem cells, we know it kills
> cancer cells, and we know many different mechanisms for these actions.
> But there is still a lot of mystery there, as the contradictions
> remain unexplained.
> 
> 
> 2. I do not agree that the Herxheimer reaction is a fallacy. It is
> caused by the toxic excretions and litter of dying pathogens. I have a
> lot of first hand experience with this from using the Beck Protocol.
> Dr. Robert Beck recognized this problem and included ozonated water to
> deal with it. Ozonated water is incredibly effective at neutralizing
> and eliminating waste from the body, and thus preventing the
> Herxheimer reaction. Myself and family members have experienced the
> difference many times. (The Beck Protocol is highly likely to cause a
> strong Herxheimer reaction if you don't include the ozonated water...
> and sometimes we are too lazy to make the ozonated water... and then
> are pointedly reminded how effective it is).
> 
> 
> Again, I agree with your general idea of not taking 'medicine' every
> day. However, I no longer view CS as a medicine. It is certainly not a
> drug. I know it is not a nut