Re: CS>Inuit

[Acmeair]

come on guys, enough is enough!

John Rigby wrote:


At 10:51 PM 22/11/04, you wrote:


1 Timothy 4
1   Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some 
shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and 
doctrines of devils;
2   Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a 
hot iron;
3   Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which 
God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which 
believe and know the truth.
4   For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if 
it be received with thanksgiving:

5   For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

At 11:44 PM 11/21/04, you wrote:

Himagain.   Virtually all Religions started off similarly with the 
idea that we should separate ourselves from the animal as soon as 
possible and that automatically seemed to include the breaking of the 
killing cycle.




But, you are only quoting a recent breakaway sect from the parent 
religion - you do understand that, don't you, David?  :-)


Cheers,
Himagain.


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Re: CS>Inuit

[John Rigby]

At 10:51 PM 22/11/04, you wrote:

1 Timothy 4
1   Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall 
depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of 
devils;
2   Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot 
iron;
3   Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God 
hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and 
know the truth.
4   For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be 
received with thanksgiving:

5   For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

At 11:44 PM 11/21/04, you wrote:

Himagain.   Virtually all Religions started off similarly with the idea 
that we should separate ourselves from the animal as soon as possible and 
that automatically seemed to include the breaking of the killing cycle.



But, you are only quoting a recent breakaway sect from the parent religion 
- you do understand that, don't you, David?  :-)


Cheers,
Himagain.


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Re: CS>Inuit

[David Bearrow]

1 Timothy 4
1   Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall 
depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of 
devils;

2   Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3   Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God 
hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and 
know the truth.
4   For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be 
received with thanksgiving:

5   For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

At 11:44 PM 11/21/04, you wrote:

Himagain.   Virtually all Religions started off similarly with the idea 
that we should separate ourselves from the animal as soon as possible and 
that automatically seemed to include the breaking of the killing cycle.



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Re: CS>Inuit

[John Rigby]

At 04:27 PM 19/11/04, you wrote:

Actually they do eat fermented fish and meat. They bury it for long periods of
time in the ground, I understand, and need to eat some of it to thrive.

http://www.mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2001/jan/21/weston_price.htm

"Eskimo, or Innu, ate a diet of almost 100% animal products with hefty 
amounts of fish. Walrus and seal, and other marine mammals also formed an 
integral part of the diet. Blubber (fat) was consumed with relish. Innu 
would gather nuts, berries, and some grasses during the short summer 
months, but their diet was basically all meat and fat. Price noted that 
the Innu would usually ferment their meat before eating it. That is, they 
would bury it and allow it to slightly putrefy before consuming it. Innu 
would also eat the partially digested grasses of caribou by cutting open 
their stomachs and intestines."


Sounds tasty, eh? ;)>

Shak


I think - no actual further research by me here - that they would eat 
whatever they could whenever they could.  Tough life up there!
I'm not sure how often they would get at Caribou -  as Merlyon wrote - 
contrary to popular Euro-Western belief, everything in America was owned by 
whatever tribe was strong enough to deny others access to it and the poor 
old Eskimo would not have got much chance at it, I think.  They were never 
numerous or sufficiently violent enough to even get hold of decent territory.
Strangely, as we tend to define meat-eaters as basically violent - their 
diet *was* basically animal, but THEY caught it slaughtered it and ate it 
.  As for rotting it down - I think that could be an error - based on the 
fact that (a)  they had permanent refrigeration  (b)  they wasted 
nothing.  Price certainly got it wrong in part there, but possibly because 
of timing.
Virtually all carnivores - human ones included - in a primitive state - eat 
their kill rapidly.


Cheers,
Himagain.   Virtually all Religions started off similarly with the idea 
that we should separate ourselves from the animal as soon as possible and 
that automatically seemed to include the breaking of the killing cycle.






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Re: CS>Inuit

[Brickeyk]

In a message dated 11/18/2004 10:28:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
suizenshak...@yahoo.com writes:
Actually they do eat fermented fish and meat. They bury it for long periods of
time in the ground, I understand, and need to eat some of it to thrive.

Koreans and Filipinos also do similar things. I thought that was bad until I 
read how they make Worcestershire sauce. Anchovies are added for flavor! 

What happened to DR Whitakers TV program?
Brickey

CS>Re: CS>Inuit

[patriot2000]

At 10:28 PM 11/18/2004, you wrote:
BTW: Am I the only one here who
has noticed what the address of this list is???
Himagain
LOL!   How funny!  (The answer is,
"Probably,YES!")





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Re: CS>Inuit

[shakman]

Actually they do eat fermented fish and meat. They bury it for long periods of
time in the ground, I understand, and need to eat some of it to thrive.
 
http://www.mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2001/jan/21/weston_price.htm
 
"Eskimo, or Innu, ate a diet of almost 100% animal products with hefty amounts 
of fish. Walrus and seal, and other marine mammals also formed an integral part 
of the diet. Blubber (fat) was consumed with relish. Innu would gather nuts, 
berries, and some grasses during the short summer months, but their diet was 
basically all meat and fat. Price noted that the Innu would usually ferment 
their meat before eating it. That is, they would bury it and allow it to 
slightly putrefy before consuming it. Innu would also eat the partially 
digested grasses of caribou by cutting open their stomachs and intestines."
 
Sounds tasty, eh? ;)>
 
Shak

John Rigby  wrote:
At 08:06 AM 19/11/04, you wrote:
> Fine book called Kabloona. Is about a fellow who lived with those of 
> the far north for a time. He came to enjoy the taste of rotted seal meat 
> though at first simply couldn't stand the thought. When he returned to 
> 'civilization' he required a transition period since a temp of 30 or so 
> degrees was like a furnace to him.

Strange - the Eskimo... sorry whatevers - didn't and don't eat rotten 
meat. Only the English developed that disgusting habit as far as I know - 
a favourite being called "Jugged Hare".

BTW: Am I the only one here who has noticed what the address of this list 
is???

Himagain



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Re: CS>Inuit

[John Rigby]

At 08:06 AM 19/11/04, you wrote:
  Fine book called Kabloona.  Is about a fellow who lived with those of 
the far north for a time.  He came to enjoy the taste of rotted seal meat 
though at first simply couldn't stand the thought.  When he returned to 
'civilization' he required a transition period since a temp of 30 or so 
degrees was like a furnace to him.


Strange - the Eskimo... sorry whatevers - didn't and don't eat  rotten 
meat.  Only the English developed that disgusting habit as far as I know  - 
a favourite being called "Jugged Hare".


BTW: Am I the only one here who has noticed what the address of this list 
is???


Himagain
  



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Re: CS>Inuit

[Dan Nave]

I tried to use

mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@inuit.com 

but it didn't work...

Dan

PS Isn't Inuit a bit insulting to everyone who is not Inuit?
I mean, we are not People?
What are we, chopped liver?
Uff da...





Re: CS>Inuit

From: John Rigby wrote:
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:57:06 



At 04:24 PM 17/11/04, you wrote:
>As a courtesy to those list members interested in this (off) topic,  I

>copied the relevant portions of this link below my signature below.

Hi there Jonathon,
Just go to the Off-Topic list and fire away!
Poor ol' Mike keeps trying to get it to happen, but.
NB oldies:  ol' is not a pejorative- it is a term of
endearment. 
especially here.

Just hit: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com 

It is that easy.

Cheers,
Himagain  : A die-hard apolitical centrist.




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Re: CS>Inuit

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Thanks for the education.

Growing up in the United States I learned almost nothing of the native 
people, and am still learning.


America was built on ethnic cleansing, of course;  no wonder some of us 
 still know so little.


Given the length of time non-white people lived on the North American 
continent,  and the length of time it took to decimate their population 
and eviscerate their culture,  I figure that modern Americans in 
comparison would last for a few days at most if  some Pilgrim-like 
aliens came out of the sky.


A scary thought.



On Wednesday, Nov 17, 2004, at 15:53 Asia/Tokyo, John Rigby wrote:

The word Innuit comes from a common sorta language  of the "frozen 
North".  As a claim to a name, it probably belongs to the Innu:
The Innu, formerly known as the Naskapi-Montagnais Indians, are an 
Algonkian-speaking people whose homeland (Nitassinan) is the eastern 
portion of the Québec-Labrador peninsula. The word "Innu" means "human 
being", and the Innu language is called "Innu-aimun." Today there are 
over 16,000 Innu who live in eleven communities in Québec and two in 
Labrador.
They used words to describe people by characteristics that made them 
stand out, like "he who wears fluffy pink bunny boots" given to 
whatsisname in the fabulous sendup of "Hotshots".


Inuit are another people who live near the Arctic. Their homeland 
stretches from the northeastern tip of Russia across Alaska and 
northern Canada to parts of Greenland. Inuit refers to the people 
formerly called Eskimos. The term Eskimo derives from a Innu word that 
meant 'eater of raw meat'.  I couldn't find anyone who took the 
responsibility for inventing the change of name that they used when 
communicating with the "dead fish"  - the early Caucasians going 
there. They might prefer the name Inuit today, which only means 'the 
people' or 'real people' and comes from a language called 
Inuit-Inupiaq. The singular of Inuit is Inuk, which means 'person'.


(From various sources)

Peace!  Or Else!

Himagain  Just thought I'd throw that in, in the light of how these 
nonsense things get outta hand so easily.



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Re: CS>Inuit

[John Rigby]

At 04:24 PM 17/11/04, you wrote:
As a courtesy to those list members interested in this (off) topic,  I 
copied the relevant portions of this link below my signature below.


Hi there Jonathon,
Just go to the Off-Topic list and fire away!
Poor ol' Mike keeps trying to get it to happen, but.
NB oldies:  ol' is not a pejorative- it is a term of endearment. 
especially here.


Just hit: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com
It is that easy.

Cheers,
Himagain  : A die-hard apolitical centrist.



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Re: CS>Inuit

[John Rigby]

The word Innuit comes from a common sorta language  of the "frozen 
North".  As a claim to a name, it probably belongs to the Innu:
The Innu, formerly known as the Naskapi-Montagnais Indians, are an 
Algonkian-speaking people whose homeland (Nitassinan) is the eastern 
portion of the Québec-Labrador peninsula. The word "Innu" means "human 
being", and the Innu language is called "Innu-aimun." Today there are over 
16,000 Innu who live in eleven communities in Québec and two in Labrador.
They used words to describe people by characteristics that made them stand 
out, like "he who wears fluffy pink bunny boots" given to whatsisname in 
the fabulous sendup of "Hotshots".


Inuit are another people who live near the Arctic. Their homeland stretches 
from the northeastern tip of Russia across Alaska and northern Canada to 
parts of Greenland. Inuit refers to the people formerly called Eskimos. The 
term Eskimo derives from a Innu word that meant 'eater of raw meat'.  I 
couldn't find anyone who took the responsibility for inventing the change 
of name that they used when communicating with the "dead fish"  - the early 
Caucasians going there. They might prefer the name Inuit today, which only 
means 'the people' or 'real people' and comes from a language called 
Inuit-Inupiaq. The singular of Inuit is Inuk, which means 'person'.


(From various sources)

Peace!  Or Else!

Himagain  Just thought I'd throw that in, in the light of how these 
nonsense things get outta hand so easily.  




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Re: CS>Inuit

[Jonathan B. Britten]

As a courtesy to those list members interested in this (off) topic,  I 
copied the relevant portions of this link below my signature below.


It is an interesting argument, but ( because I read incessantly)  I can 
say with some confidence that Inuit is the term preferred by the 
persons themselves.Moreover, by way of rebuttal,  there is a 
growing international trend to call peoples and places by the names 
used by those peoples themselves.   Thus, for example, "Bombay" is now 
Mumbay.


I think this is a sensible trend,  and that there is no need for each 
language to have its own  name for common places.   Germany, for 
example, should be Deutschland in all languages,  Sweden Svensk, Japan 
Nippon, and so on.


This is off topic so I will stop;  if anyone wishes to use the term 
Eskimo,  it is no ice off my igloo.   It does, however, go against the 
sensibilities of many well-informed writers, and against a growing 
international trend in language usage.



Cheers,

JBB



A point that is raised often enough in debates about the ESV to need
putting to rest is that it is insulting to indigenous Arctic 
and Sub-Arcticpeoples to call them Eskimos. This notion 
seems to rest--insofar as itcan be said to rest on any 
clearly expressed reasons--on the facts orsupposed facts 
that, first, the peoples concerned do not call themselvesby 
that name, and second, the name is a Cree Indian word meaning 'eater
of raw meat,' or 'eater of fish,' or even 'eater of rotten 
fish,' andhence an insult.


The response to the first point is that while the Eskimos do not, in
their own language, call themselves by that name, that is 
because Eskimois an English word, and they are speaking a 
different language. TheEskimos, more tolerant than their 
self-appointed champions, not onlydo not require 
English-speakers to use Eskimo names, but often call
themselves Eskimos when speaking English. The principle that one must   
 call each people by the name they call themselves in their own 
languageis in effect the claim that there must be no 
English-language name forany foreign group. The right 
principle is that stated by C. S. Lewiswhen rebuked for 
using 'Scotch' to describe those Britons who live northof 
the Tweed; he simply pointed out that he was talking English, not   
 Scots.


The response to the second is that no insult is intended, nor felt  
  by the Eskimos, when they are called Eskimo (a term whose origin 
isunclear, but which there is no reason to regard as 
derogatory--see thediscussion by Damas in the Introduction 
to the volume cited in the referencelist under Woodbury). 
And how, one wonders, do the politically correctexplain 
their rejection of a term coined by the Cree, another indigenous
people--is that not insulting to the Cree? And is it not insulting 
tothe Eskimos to assume that a bunch of Cheechakos can 
detect insult wherethe Eskimos themselves cannot, and to 
assume that the Eskimos must beprotected as if they were 
children or mentally deficient? Hard is thepath of the 
politically correct--and may it remain so.

On Wednesday, Nov 17, 2004, at 02:14 Asia/Tokyo, Paul Holloway wrote:


Think that's a myth.
http://rules-of-the-game.com/lin003-snow-words.htm
 
Paul H

- Original Message -
From: Jonathan B. Britten
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:52 AM
Subject: CS>Inuit

Note to all: these people wish to be called Inuit and consider the 
term "Eskimo" derogatory.



On Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004, at 12:30 Asia/Tokyo, bbanever wrote:

Marshall,
 
    The eskimos are eating mostly raw, organically produced 
meat/blubber and living in very cold climates.  This necessitates a 
higher metabolic rate for increased body heat which is produced by 
those foods.   

Re: CS>Inuit

[sol]

Well, you know, I believe it was Mark Twain who said (paraphrase) that 
once you have called someone human, that's it. You can't insult them 
further.

sol

John Rigby wrote:

Jonathan - Thank you and I stand corrected.  I also apologize to any 
Inuit that may have read my post.


What is curious to me is that the people who come up with these things 
are rarely the full-blood  natives of the groups but agitators.
Think for a minute:  What possible unsavoury  connotation can Eskimo 
have?
It's a little like that to me - socially grossly insulting term: 
Afro-American.
How can being described as "black" be negative?  Why is that a 
perjorative but "white or whitey " not?

It is time we began to get a little real
I mean it IS insulting to be called say, a Texan but that is different!






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Re: CS>Inuit

[Paul Holloway]

Think that's a myth.
http://rules-of-the-game.com/lin003-snow-words.htm

Paul H
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan B. Britten 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:52 AM
  Subject: CS>Inuit


  Note to all: these people wish to be called Inuit and consider the term 
"Eskimo" derogatory. 


  On Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004, at 12:30 Asia/Tokyo, bbanever wrote:


Marshall,
 
The eskimos are eating mostly raw, organically produced meat/blubber 
and living in very cold climates.  This necessitates a higher metabolic rate 
for increased body heat which is produced by those foods.   If you ate their 
typical diet in more temperate climates you wouldn't live that long.  Also, 
they aren't eating bacon, cheesebugers, hotdogs, sausage, and other fatty, 
cooked, and processed meats full of nitrates, nitrites, coloring agents, 
flavoring agents, antibiotics, rodent hairs, fecal matter, and other 
non-nutritional additives.  Eating raw meat offers the body enzymes capable of 
digesting the meat, and other vitamin/mineral and protein substances not 
destroyed by heat, ionizing radiation, antibiotics, and other preservatives.  
Go ahead, eat all those high trans-fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol laden 
meats just don't complain when you're told by your cardiologist you need a 
triple bypass.

Re: CS>Inuit

[Marshall Dudley]

Me too, I had never heard this before.

Marshall

bbanever wrote:

> Jonathan - Thank you and I stand corrected.  I also apologize to any
> Inuit that may have read my post.

Re: CS>Inuit

[John Rigby]

At 04:33 PM 16/11/04, you wrote:
You are quite welcome.  It is something I had not known for years and 
years either.   LIve and learn!



On Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004, at 14:59 Asia/Tokyo, bbanever wrote:

Jonathan - Thank you and I stand corrected.  I also apologize to any 
Inuit that may have read my post.
What is curious to me is that the people who come up with these things are 
rarely the full-blood  natives of the groups but agitators.

Think for a minute:  What possible unsavoury  connotation can Eskimo have?
It's a little like that to me - socially grossly insulting term: 
Afro-American.
How can being described as "black" be negative?  Why is that a perjorative 
but "white or whitey " not?

It is time we began to get a little real
I mean it IS insulting to be called say, a Texan but that is different!

Himagain - ducking and weaving as the bullets fly.  Must tell my black mate 
this one tomorrow - he calls me. ESkimo!!
I call him Tarbaby - he is one of those rare things today - a full-blood 
Australian Aboriginal.  His Grandpa likes me ever since I told him I am a 
guaranteed  full-blood myself  - 100% white - nearly Aryan...   :-)




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Re: CS>Inuit

[Jonathan B. Britten]

You are quite welcome.  It is something I had not known for years and 
years either.   LIve and learn!



On Tuesday, Nov 16, 2004, at 14:59 Asia/Tokyo, bbanever wrote:

Jonathan - Thank you and I stand corrected.  I also apologize to any 
Inuit that may have read my post.

Re: CS>Re: CS: Inuit diet

[Dean Miller]

Hi Marshalee,

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:55:05 -0600, "mamapug" 
wrote:

>I read a book a while ago about the Inuit diet and its effects.
>They ate mainly fish and seal, and whale when they could get one. They got a
>lot of good nutrients from the livers, and other innards. In summer they
>could get wild blueberries, which they mixed with ice and fat for ice cream!
>They also died mainly of osteoporosis, usually in their forties and fifties.
>Meat is amino ACID. It takes calcium to even it out, and the calcium came
>from their bones.

Yup.  Most people on aboriginal diets died in their forties and
fifties (and some groups in their thirties).  It doesn't matter what
was in their diet.

The exceptions are those that lived in mountainous areas where there
was a lot of minerals, especially silver, in their diet.  :)  See how
I can get this discussion back to silver.

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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CS>Re: CS: Inuit diet

[mamapug]

I read a book a while ago about the Inuit diet and its effects.
They ate mainly fish and seal, and whale when they could get one. They got a
lot of good nutrients from the livers, and other innards. In summer they
could get wild blueberries, which they mixed with ice and fat for ice cream!
They also died mainly of osteoporosis, usually in their forties and fifties.
Meat is amino ACID. It takes calcium to even it out, and the calcium came
from their bones.
Marshalee


> I don't know about ruining kidneys but the meat eaten by Eskimo's had a
different ratio of types of fat,  more omega 3's etc.  Our ancestors and
others that have lived off meat (like the Scandinavian explorers who
performed this experiment many years ago) were mostly eating grass fed
animals which will do the same thing.  I expect they also ate a lot of organ
meat in order to get enough vitamins, etc.  People aren't carnivores.
Omnivores, more likely.  Doesn't mean they can't live on meat though, if
they're smart enough to do it right.
>
> Dan



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