Re: CS>Measuring CS strength
It's the PWT, and so far the CS I make has reduced scaring [ son-in-law had 23 stitches from a car accident, you can barley see the scar] and for burns it eliminates pain and leaves no scars. blessings Ted Trem wrote: > Hi Ted, > > What Hanna meter are you using? If it's the TDS meter, you'll not get very > good results. If it's the PWT you'll do much better. > > I find it odd that you get zero reading with the distilled water. That > makes me think you probably have the TDS. Distilled water usually reads > from .5 to 2.0 in most when measured with the PWT cases although there are a > few brands in certain parts of the country that are outside those limits. > > Trem > > - Original Message - > From: "Ted Windsor" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength > > > I realize that there are many who may know more about the technical part > of > > making CS. I have been using CS for several years, and I use a Hanna unit > to > > measure the CS I am making. When I start wit 0 [zero] PPM and when I > remeasure > > the readings read 5 PPM? What are the PPM being measured if not CS? All > I know > > is the CS I make works, and many people send me their thanks for what it > does > > for them. I do not charge for the CS I give away, many times it is for > > children, they seem to get well. What can I say! > > Blessings > > Ted > > > > Trem wrote: > > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > > > Yes, I understand. However, the standard solutions were part of the > package > > > provided by Hanna. The problem was that the readings were NOT > repeatable > > > nor were the results ANYWHERE near the known results which were obtained > > > from Kimball Labs. The unit did not work on CSperiod. End of > story. > > > > > > PWT's work much better even if they do not measure the colloidal > portion. > > > At least they can be calibrated with a correction factor to get the > total > > > PPM and the readings are very repeatable. That's what counts for me and > I > > > think for the average user. I'm not interested in measuring CS to the > Nth > > > degree. What I am interested is knowing roughly what the PPM is and I > want > > > it to be fairly accurate and repeatable. That's what I get with the > PWT. > > > As I have mentioned, we use three of them to average the readings when > > > calibrating our generators and to check against each other. They are > almost > > > always the same as far as readings gowithin one point or less > usually. > > > > > > Why do you denigrate a very useful tool when it is so inexpensive to buy > and > > > also easy to use. > > > > > > Trem > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 10:46 AM > > > Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength > > > > > > > Hi Trem, > > > > > > > > I do not care whose spectrophotometer one uses. It must be calibrated > vs a > > > > known standard. > > > > > > > > You might go to the public library and get the video made by UCLA of > > > > spectrophotography. It give a very good explaination of how it works > and > > > what > > > > is required to calibrate one. > > > > > > > > Mine is make by Hach and I use there chemicals but it still had to be > > > > calibrated as wach mahine has its own idiosyncrasies. > > > > > > > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Measuring CS strength
Hi Ted, What Hanna meter are you using? If it's the TDS meter, you'll not get very good results. If it's the PWT you'll do much better. I find it odd that you get zero reading with the distilled water. That makes me think you probably have the TDS. Distilled water usually reads from .5 to 2.0 in most when measured with the PWT cases although there are a few brands in certain parts of the country that are outside those limits. Trem - Original Message - From: "Ted Windsor" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength > I realize that there are many who may know more about the technical part of > making CS. I have been using CS for several years, and I use a Hanna unit to > measure the CS I am making. When I start wit 0 [zero] PPM and when I remeasure > the readings read 5 PPM? What are the PPM being measured if not CS? All I know > is the CS I make works, and many people send me their thanks for what it does > for them. I do not charge for the CS I give away, many times it is for > children, they seem to get well. What can I say! > Blessings > Ted > > Trem wrote: > > > Hi Bob, > > > > Yes, I understand. However, the standard solutions were part of the package > > provided by Hanna. The problem was that the readings were NOT repeatable > > nor were the results ANYWHERE near the known results which were obtained > > from Kimball Labs. The unit did not work on CSperiod. End of story. > > > > PWT's work much better even if they do not measure the colloidal portion. > > At least they can be calibrated with a correction factor to get the total > > PPM and the readings are very repeatable. That's what counts for me and I > > think for the average user. I'm not interested in measuring CS to the Nth > > degree. What I am interested is knowing roughly what the PPM is and I want > > it to be fairly accurate and repeatable. That's what I get with the PWT. > > As I have mentioned, we use three of them to average the readings when > > calibrating our generators and to check against each other. They are almost > > always the same as far as readings gowithin one point or less usually. > > > > Why do you denigrate a very useful tool when it is so inexpensive to buy and > > also easy to use. > > > > Trem > > > > - Original Message - > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 10:46 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength > > > > > Hi Trem, > > > > > > I do not care whose spectrophotometer one uses. It must be calibrated vs a > > > known standard. > > > > > > You might go to the public library and get the video made by UCLA of > > > spectrophotography. It give a very good explaination of how it works and > > what > > > is required to calibrate one. > > > > > > Mine is make by Hach and I use there chemicals but it still had to be > > > calibrated as wach mahine has its own idiosyncrasies. > > > > > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Measuring CS strength
I realize that there are many who may know more about the technical part of making CS. I have been using CS for several years, and I use a Hanna unit to measure the CS I am making. When I start wit 0 [zero] PPM and when I remeasure the readings read 5 PPM? What are the PPM being measured if not CS? All I know is the CS I make works, and many people send me their thanks for what it does for them. I do not charge for the CS I give away, many times it is for children, they seem to get well. What can I say! Blessings Ted Trem wrote: > Hi Bob, > > Yes, I understand. However, the standard solutions were part of the package > provided by Hanna. The problem was that the readings were NOT repeatable > nor were the results ANYWHERE near the known results which were obtained > from Kimball Labs. The unit did not work on CSperiod. End of story. > > PWT's work much better even if they do not measure the colloidal portion. > At least they can be calibrated with a correction factor to get the total > PPM and the readings are very repeatable. That's what counts for me and I > think for the average user. I'm not interested in measuring CS to the Nth > degree. What I am interested is knowing roughly what the PPM is and I want > it to be fairly accurate and repeatable. That's what I get with the PWT. > As I have mentioned, we use three of them to average the readings when > calibrating our generators and to check against each other. They are almost > always the same as far as readings gowithin one point or less usually. > > Why do you denigrate a very useful tool when it is so inexpensive to buy and > also easy to use. > > Trem > > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength > > > Hi Trem, > > > > I do not care whose spectrophotometer one uses. It must be calibrated vs a > > known standard. > > > > You might go to the public library and get the video made by UCLA of > > spectrophotography. It give a very good explaination of how it works and > what > > is required to calibrate one. > > > > Mine is make by Hach and I use there chemicals but it still had to be > > calibrated as wach mahine has its own idiosyncrasies. > > > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Measuring CS strength
Hi Bob, Yes, I understand. However, the standard solutions were part of the package provided by Hanna. The problem was that the readings were NOT repeatable nor were the results ANYWHERE near the known results which were obtained from Kimball Labs. The unit did not work on CSperiod. End of story. PWT's work much better even if they do not measure the colloidal portion. At least they can be calibrated with a correction factor to get the total PPM and the readings are very repeatable. That's what counts for me and I think for the average user. I'm not interested in measuring CS to the Nth degree. What I am interested is knowing roughly what the PPM is and I want it to be fairly accurate and repeatable. That's what I get with the PWT. As I have mentioned, we use three of them to average the readings when calibrating our generators and to check against each other. They are almost always the same as far as readings gowithin one point or less usually. Why do you denigrate a very useful tool when it is so inexpensive to buy and also easy to use. Trem - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength > Hi Trem, > > I do not care whose spectrophotometer one uses. It must be calibrated vs a > known standard. > > You might go to the public library and get the video made by UCLA of > spectrophotography. It give a very good explaination of how it works and what > is required to calibrate one. > > Mine is make by Hach and I use there chemicals but it still had to be > calibrated as wach mahine has its own idiosyncrasies. > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>Measuring CS strength
Hi Trem, I do not care whose spectrophotometer one uses. It must be calibrated vs a known standard. You might go to the public library and get the video made by UCLA of spectrophotography. It give a very good explaination of how it works and what is required to calibrate one. Mine is make by Hach and I use there chemicals but it still had to be calibrated as wach mahine has its own idiosyncrasies. "Ole Bob" > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Measuring CS strength
Hi James, Hanna is incorrect. They will be the first to tell you they don't have any idea about using the PWT to measure CS. Fact is, with our generators which always produce 85% ionic, we add 20% to the reading after subtracting the initial DW water reading to get the total CS readingionic and colloidal. It always agrees with our AA tests within a small percentage. Plenty close enough for government work. The TDS is useless for measuring CS. It is accurate to + or - 2% of full scale which is 20 parts. How do you expect to measure in the 5-15 PPM range with a meter that can be off by 20 digits? Use it on something that will get the reading up in the midrange readings such as tap water, etc. You're right. The TDS reads about half as much as is really there. Trem - Original Message - From: James Allison To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength Hi Trem! Hanna told me to take the PWT reading and divide it in half for a "fairly" accurate reading of PPM. When doing so, at least for me, this almost always equals the reading of the TDS1 meter. I'm talking LVDC CS, and I have no idea how it would equate out to non-ionic. I personally like the TDS1 as there's no conversion factor, and it reads up to 999 PPM, and it's also good for testing when I need to change my filters on my water purification unit ;) Please let me know if you've got different info than I do, thanks! -James - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength Hi Bob, No I didn't because the unit came with the reagents supplied by Hanna. No reason to try and second guess the manufacturer, eh? We followed their directions to the letter and it never gave reliable readings. Nor was it repeatable. It is made for measuring silver in effluent, etc. The PWT is still the best choice for most people. Trem - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength > Hi Trem, > > Did you buy an NBS certified standard of AgNO3 to calibrate your meter? If you > did not then it will never read correctly. > > It took several days to calibrate my spect. as it is a lenghtly process. > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>Measuring CS strength
Hi Trem! Hanna told me to take the PWT reading and divide it in half for a "fairly" accurate reading of PPM. When doing so, at least for me, this almost always equals the reading of the TDS1 meter. I'm talking LVDC CS, and I have no idea how it would equate out to non-ionic. I personally like the TDS1 as there's no conversion factor, and it reads up to 999 PPM, and it's also good for testing when I need to change my filters on my water purification unit ;) Please let me know if you've got different info than I do, thanks! -James - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength Hi Bob, No I didn't because the unit came with the reagents supplied by Hanna. No reason to try and second guess the manufacturer, eh? We followed their directions to the letter and it never gave reliable readings. Nor was it repeatable. It is made for measuring silver in effluent, etc. The PWT is still the best choice for most people. Trem - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength > Hi Trem, > > Did you buy an NBS certified standard of AgNO3 to calibrate your meter? If you > did not then it will never read correctly. > > It took several days to calibrate my spect. as it is a lenghtly process. > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>Measuring CS strength
Hi Bob, No I didn't because the unit came with the reagents supplied by Hanna. No reason to try and second guess the manufacturer, eh? We followed their directions to the letter and it never gave reliable readings. Nor was it repeatable. It is made for measuring silver in effluent, etc. The PWT is still the best choice for most people. Trem - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS strength > Hi Trem, > > Did you buy an NBS certified standard of AgNO3 to calibrate your meter? If you > did not then it will never read correctly. > > It took several days to calibrate my spect. as it is a lenghtly process. > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>Measuring CS strength
Hi Trem, Did you buy an NBS certified standard of AgNO3 to calibrate your meter? If you did not then it will never read correctly. It took several days to calibrate my spect. as it is a lenghtly process. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
