Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
I have a very close friend who grows lettuce in a green house hydroponically. He uses all natural nutrition and predator bugs, no pesticides. He can't label it "organic" lettuce. "Pesticide free", yes, "Organic", no. Rephrase: If the food is organic, it was not sprayed with pesticides that don't fit the description of what's organic. There are "organic" approved pesticides. [Nicotine? ..and several others. ] Is all organic food pesticide free? No. Is Nicotine a chemical? Yes. Is synthesized Nicotine a different chemical than that extracted from a tobacco plant? No "synthetic organic materials " Ode At 10:59 AM 9/3/2007 -0400, you wrote: Our soil is becoming depleted and fertilizers used are not the best because chemical is cheaper.If the food is not organic it is sprayed with many insecticides and pesticides. Then some of our food is being genetically modified. Great. Just great. then our food is harvested and shipped before it is even ripe, never giving the nutrition time to develop. No wonder our food is tasteless and basically non-nutritious, as witnessed by the sickness rampant in this country. (Who posted the book: "Never Be sick Again"?) Read all about it. Faith -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 9:31 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
<> And maybe the use of chemical fertilisers? Dee ---Original Message--- From: CWFugitt Date: 04/09/2007 17:35:20 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Raw to Wayne ( some far out ideas ) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
Thanks for that Marshall, I knew it was something like that, but couldn't remember what! Dee ---Original Message--- From: Marshall Dudley Date: 04/09/2007 17:18:11 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Raw to Wayne ( some far out ideas ) > > I believe that the problem with chemical fertilizers is that they only Supply 1 to 3 of the main nutrients the plant needs. A plant needs Dozens of nutrients, many in small amounts, such as copper. So the Fertilizer makes the plant grow, and it pulls out the micronutrients, Which then never get replaced and the soil becomes nutrient poor in all But the one to 3 nutrients the fertilizer provides. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
Morning Marshall, I believe that the problem with chemical fertilizers is that they only supply 1 to 3 of the main nutrients the plant needs. Generally speaking this is true, but not always. Don't condemn us all for what one does. A plant needs dozens of nutrients, many in small amounts, such as copper. So the fertilizer makes the plant grow, and it pulls out the micronutrients, which then never get replaced and the soil becomes nutrient poor in all but the one to 3 nutrients the fertilizer provides. Yes but, most of the bad claims against fertilize are short comings of man, errors of farmers, failed soil that cannot hold on to nutrients, and dozens of other things. And too much of a good thing. Reading all the claims against this mateial is much like. FDA claims against vitamins and minerals. More false than truth. I am out of time. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
Dee wrote: I always understood that chemical fertilizers although promoting plant growth, deplete the soil i.e don't put anything back. Dee I believe that the problem with chemical fertilizers is that they only supply 1 to 3 of the main nutrients the plant needs. A plant needs dozens of nutrients, many in small amounts, such as copper. So the fertilizer makes the plant grow, and it pulls out the micronutrients, which then never get replaced and the soil becomes nutrient poor in all but the one to 3 nutrients the fertilizer provides. Marshall ---Original Message--- From: CWFugitt Date: 09/03/07 12:34:16 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Raw to Wayne ( some far out ideas ) Morning Dee, Again, please tell me anything at all that is bad about chemical fertilize. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
BT stands for Bacillus thuringiensis so it is a bacteria and not any bug juices. BT works by paralyzing caterpillars guts so they stop eating and die. Now, bug juices purpose is to kill the bugs with their own viruses and/or bacterial diseases that they carry. Every living thing is carrying their own germs. This is completely different approach than BT. And yes, the bug juice AND BT were popularized by "Organic Gardening" a magazine published by Rodale. Barbara Oh my, That was an old Rodale publications hint for destroying garden pests: To rid an infestation of say, japanese beetles, collect a quantity by picking and blend them in water. Spray the suffering crop with a diluted solution. The underlying theory being, a pest carries its own parasites that can be used against it. Must be effective if they do it commercially. Chuck I ruined my hands in the ring ... the referee kept stepping on them."
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
Oh my, That was an old Rodale publications hint for destroying garden pests: To rid an infestation of say, japanese beetles, collect a quantity by picking and blend them in water. Spray the suffering crop with a diluted solution. The underlying theory being, a pest carries its own parasites that can be used against it. Must be effective if they do it commercially. Chuck I ruined my hands in the ring ... the referee kept stepping on them." On 9/3/2007 5:40:53 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/3/2007 2:49:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > c_wa...@earthlink.net writes: > As I have said many times before, I believe organic is misunderstood, > overrated, and in many cases no better than anything else > I camped in the middle of organic vegetable farms in Yuma, AZ. Several > nights a week helicopters would come and spray BT (ground up bugs) on the > vegetables and my trailer. That really turned me off from eating organic > vegetables covered with ground up bugs. Choice is pesticides or bug guts. > Vegetables survived by making their own pesticides so even organic still > has pesticides. Organic vegetables are sprayed but not with a pesticide. I > also was bothered with asthma which I believe the organic spraying > irritated. This year I moved my trailer away from the organic farms and > asthma was less severe. > > CS in salt had better be OK as blood is like salt water. Might be a reason > why it has a limited life expectancy when used internally. > Brickey -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
In a message dated 9/3/2007 2:49:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, c_wa...@earthlink.net writes: As I have said many times before, I believe organic is misunderstood, overrated, and in many cases no better than anything else I camped in the middle of organic vegetable farms in Yuma, AZ. Several nights a week helicopters would come and spray BT (ground up bugs) on the vegetables and my trailer. That really turned me off from eating organic vegetables covered with ground up bugs. Choice is pesticides or bug guts. Vegetables survived by making their own pesticides so even organic still has pesticides. Organic vegetables are sprayed but not with a pesticide. I also was bothered with asthma which I believe the organic spraying irritated. This year I moved my trailer away from the organic farms and asthma was less severe. CS in salt had better be OK as blood is like salt water. Might be a reason why it has a limited life expectancy when used internally. Brickey ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
Our soil is becoming depleted and fertilizers used are not the best because chemical is cheaper.If the food is not organic it is sprayed with many insecticides and pesticides. Then some of our food is being genetically modified. Great. Just great. then our food is harvested and shipped before it is even ripe, never giving the nutrition time to develop. No wonder our food is tasteless and basically non-nutritious, as witnessed by the sickness rampant in this country. (Who posted the book: "Never Be sick Again"?) Read all about it. Faith - Original Message - From: "Dee " To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas ) I always understood that chemical fertilizers although promoting plant growth, deplete the soil i.e don't put anything back. Dee ---Original Message--- From: CWFugitt Date: 09/03/07 12:34:16 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Raw to Wayne ( some far out ideas ) Morning Dee, Again, please tell me anything at all that is bad about chemical fertilize. Wayne -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
Again, please tell me anything at all that is bad about chemical fertilize. Wayne Wayne: Here is one article. (Sorry Mike. Can we please find some other way to do this?) Some common questions regarding organic fertilizers vs chemical fertilizers are what does it cost and what makes organic fertilizer better the chemical fertilizer. First things first - COST$$ Below is a comparison of organic fertilizers vs chemical fertilizers based on a 12-week study of a AGGRAND liquid organic fertilizer and the most popular chemical fertilizer. The results speak for themselves! AGGRAND 4-3-3 Natural Organic Fertilizer a.. $8.35 per quart (US Funds) b.. Dilution rate of two to three ounces per gallon of water c.. Application rate of one gallon of solution covers 45 sq. ft. (approximately 6 tomato plants) d.. Timing: a.. 2 oz./gal. at transplanting b.. 3 oz./gal. at first bloom c.. 3 oz./gal. at full bloom d.. 2 oz./gal. during fruit fill e.. Total amount of natural organic fertilizer used per season a.. 10 oz./45 sq. ft. b.. 0.22 oz./sq. ft. f.. AGGRAND Natural organic fertilizer cost per season a.. $0.05/sq. ft. Most Popular Chemical Fertilizer 15-30-15 a.. $4.99 per 1.5 pounds (US Funds) b.. Dilution rate of 0.5 oz. per gallon of water c.. Application rate of one gallon of solution covers 120 sq. ft. (approximately 16 plants) during transplanting. One gallon of solution covers 7.5 sq. ft. (one plant) during feeding. d.. Timing: a.. 0.5 oz./gal. at transplanting b.. 0.5 oz./gal. every 10.5 days (11 times) e.. Total amount of most popular brand chemical fertilizer used per season a.. 5.53 oz./7.5 sq. ft. b.. 0.74 oz./sq. ft. f.. Most popular brand chemical fertilizer cost per season a.. $0.15/sq. ft. This comparison of organic fertilizers vs chemical fertilizers was done based on retail pricing. Additional savings can be had by purchasing AGGRAND liquid organic fertilizer at wholesale pricing! What Makes Organic Fertilizer Better? One major difference when you compare organic fertilizers vs chemical fertilizers is the use of highly concentrated chemical fertilizers and pesticides causes surface and groundwater pollution. Chemical fertilizers cause water pollution even when they are applied at the recommended rates if a heavy rain or too much irrigation takes placed too soon after application. Chemical fertilizers are made of nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, ammonium nitrate and potassium chloride in the form of salts, which are highly soluble in water and causes a quick release of these components. Often a quick release of nitrogen promotes weed growth and promotes a spike in top growth. A small portion of these nutrients are absorbed by plants and the rest goes to run-off into ground water. Research shows that 92-96% of high analysis chemical fertilizers are not taken up by plants. Another big difference of organic fertilizers vs chemical fertilizers is chemical fertilizers are high in soluble salts which are detrimental to soil microbes and plant nutrient uptake. Microbes are essential to soil because they regulate the soil fertility. Nutrients that are not directly absorbed are stored and released slowly in proportions which promote healthy growth. The way to change the pollution of our water is to start using more sustainable practices and natural products. The use of AGGRAND liquid organic fertilizer stimulates soil biological activity which supplies at least 2 pounds of nitrogen per 1,000 square feet per year without causing any pollution. AGGRAND liquid organic fertilizers are chemical free. The fish component of AGGRAND liquid fertilizer supplies the N-P-K and 10 micronutrients, as well as a number of vitamins and minerals. The application of low levels of natural forms of nutrients such as fish, kelp, humates and corn gluten meal in AGGRAND liquid organic fertilizer stimulates the proliferation of microbes and earthworms which readily fix these forms of nutrients before they ever get into lakes. As these creatures in the soil multiply they excrete nutrients and die or are eaten and digested and excreted by other organisms which releases nutrients slowly as plants need them. Another difference is comparing organic fertilizers vs chemical fertilizers is chemically fertilized plants are water hungry and need constant irrigation because the plants rely on the chemical to supply the nutrients. The chemical toxifies the soil inhibiting biological activity which results in compacted soil and an unhealthy root environment. AGGRAND liquid organic fertilizer promotes deep root systems and proportional top growth. The use of AGGRAND organic fertilizer enhances the plants resistance to heat, cold and drought. The use of AGGRAND liquid organic fertilizer results in healthy soil which requires less fertilization over time. A major concern
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
I always understood that chemical fertilizers although promoting plant growth, deplete the soil i.e don't put anything back. Dee ---Original Message--- From: CWFugitt Date: 09/03/07 12:34:16 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Raw to Wayne ( some far out ideas ) Morning Dee, Again, please tell me anything at all that is bad about chemical fertilize. Wayne -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
Morning Dee, >>At 06:03 AM 9/3/2007, you wrote: I think the main benefit of organic stuff is that it hasn't been sprayed with PCB's (neurotoxins) OK, . I forgot that because I spray near zero anyway, organic or not. I plant so much, I have plenty for the insects, worms and more other critters, even ornery neighbors. Not all sprays are bad. One old time gardener sat at my table, dipped his finger in the chemical spray and licked it off. Of course you have to know what you are doing for tricks like than. and chemical fertilizers. Dee Now, ... time for the hard one for you. What is bad about chemical fertilizers? All fertilizers are chemical. I prefer to call them "Plan Nutrients". Don't that sound better. The "Chemical Fertilize" I use is water soluble and instantly available to the plants. I know the exact ppm of every one, carefully controlled and calculated. My dog drinks it and I have also. Some items are 50 to 75 ppm, others 100 to 250 ppm, and others are up to 400 and 450 at different stages of growth. Most people just throw out some "chemical fertilize" to the plants and never realize that most plans have at least 4 different growth stages. Each one is different and has different requirements. Again, please tell me anything at all that is bad about chemical fertilize. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )
I think the main benefit of organic stuff is that it hasn't been sprayed with PCB's (neurotoxins) and chemical fertilizers. Dee ---Original Message--- From: CWFugitt Date: 09/03/07 10:49:21 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Raw to Wayne ( some far out ideas ) Morning Zeb, As I have said many times before, I believe organic is misunderstood, overrated, and in many cases no better than anything else. A molecule of nutrient is the same no matter where it comes from, Compost, soil, out of the air, man chelated it, nature chelated it, . Nitrogen is nitrogen. Plants cannot eat Ammonia form of nitrogen, no matter what. Then can only eat Nitrate form of nitrogen. The only possible advantage I see in Organic over man chelated nutrients, is the possibly availability of minor and trace minerals. The major nutrients are gobbled up by a plant, as long as they are in the right form, no matter where they came from. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
