Re: CS>citrate { Darn }

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In a message dated 1/16/2012 11:20:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mdud...@king-cart.com writes:
When I see things like this I wish I had been more  intent on learning when 
I was in school than having fun...I was the only one  with a car { Dad said 
if I could fix it I could have it & I did.   {Valve & ring job on my 37 
Plymouth named Virus..}  I majored in Art  just to get through & out... 

If you  put citric acid in your distilled water when doing the 
electrolysis, it  will produce silver citrate.  It appears that chlorine 
compounds do  not combine with the citrate form.  Apparently the citrate 
has Ag3+,  a complex, but silver chloride had Ag+, so once it is formed, 
they do not  interact even though both can disassociate in water to some 
extent.   Excess citric acid increases the solubility of silver citrate  
significantly, otherwise you limit of solubility is around 250  ppm.

Marshall

Re: CS>citrate

[Marshall]

If you put citric acid in your distilled water when doing the 
electrolysis, it will produce silver citrate.  It appears that chlorine 
compounds do not combine with the citrate form.  Apparently the citrate 
has Ag3+, a complex, but silver chloride had Ag+, so once it is formed, 
they do not interact even though both can disassociate in water to some 
extent.  Excess citric acid increases the solubility of silver citrate 
significantly, otherwise you limit of solubility is around 250 ppm.


Marshall

On 1/16/2012 7:49 PM, mgperrault wrote:
If anyone would like to summarize about making silver citrate, I would 
appreciate it.  ratios?  Silver must be oxide first?  This is possible 
with hydrogen peroxide? what about the 80% ions, what happens?   Can 
be made simply be adding citrate to water when making a batch with 
typical low voltage method?  chloride in lemon juice defeats the 
purpose of the citrate?


Thank you

mg


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Re: CS>citrate

[mgperrault]

I have read from some CS site that when the ions are not there, only CS, 
(and  at fairly small particle sizemaybe 5 to 20 nm if I remember), 
then the result is quite opaque, not clear.   I have no way to know the 
truth of this. They claimed it stayed in suspension indefinitely.I 
tried adding hydrogen peroxide and lemon juice and I got a grey brown 
mix definitely cloudier than before the additions.  But after about 3 
days it started to form grey sludge at the bottom.  I have read that 
silver protein complex's are more bioactive.  I have also read it is not 
good.  But the ionic form complex's readily anyway?Still trying to 
wrap my brain around the basicsThe citrate is supposedly more 
stable in that it does not form silver chlorideand possibly the 
ionic portion is reduced


thanks

mg

On 1/16/2012 6:25 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
I'd probly ignore that ion percentage figure one reads about unless 
you've had an analysis done determining that figure.  From where I'm 
looking most go by what they read regarding that 80% figure, but I 
believe that figure could be different in reality.  There may be far 
less ions than one may think if using LVDC setup, and that 'ion' 
content could be different dependant on an individuals unique machine 
setup and/or configuration and practices and methods for production.


In my mind ion/particle ratios could vary considerably from one 
producer to the next, dependant on the above?


Of course I'd be interested in seeing several lab results from several 
individuals who've had some LVDC home produced product tested?  I'd be 
KEENLY interested in seeing those.


N.

> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:49:48 -0700
> From: mgperra...@aol.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>citrate
>
> If anyone would like to summarize about making silver citrate, I would
> appreciate it. ratios? Silver must be oxide first? This is possible
> with hydrogen peroxide? what about the 80% ions, what happens? Can be
> made simply be adding citrate to water when making a batch with typical
> low voltage method? chloride in lemon juice defeats the purpose of the
> citrate?
>
> Thank you
>
> mg
>
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RE: CS>citrate

[Neville Munn]

I'd probly ignore that ion percentage figure one reads about unless you've had 
an analysis done determining that figure.  From where I'm looking most go by 
what they read regarding that 80% figure, but I believe that figure could be 
different in reality.  There may be far less ions than one may think if using 
LVDC setup, and that 'ion' content could be different dependant on an 
individuals unique machine setup and/or configuration and practices and methods 
for production.
In my mind ion/particle ratios could vary considerably from one producer to the 
next, dependant on the above?

Of course I'd be interested in seeing several lab results from several 
individuals who've had some LVDC home produced product tested?  I'd be KEENLY 
interested in seeing those.
N.

> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:49:48 -0700
> From: mgperra...@aol.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>citrate
> 
> If anyone would like to summarize about making silver citrate, I would 
> appreciate it.  ratios?  Silver must be oxide first?  This is possible 
> with hydrogen peroxide? what about the 80% ions, what happens?   Can be 
> made simply be adding citrate to water when making a batch with typical 
> low voltage method?  chloride in lemon juice defeats the purpose of the 
> citrate?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> mg
> 
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Re: CS>citrate

[David AuBuchon]

I bought silver oxide powder from salt lake metals.  Then I bought citric
acid from somewhere.  Then I put silver oxide powder in water, keeping
track of how much elemental silver by mass there is.  This was actually a
pain to figure out how to measure it somewhat accurately as I do not have
fancy measuring spoons, etc.  Then I slowly add citric acid and stir like
crazy.  Then I keep adding citric acid until all the silver oxide
dissolves.  I made about 16,000PPM elemental silver in a solution that was
saturated with citric acid.  Burns like hell.  If you made it at 100PPM for
example, one would barely even know there is any acidic taste at all.


On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:49 PM, mgperrault  wrote:

> If anyone would like to summarize about making silver citrate, I would
> appreciate it.  ratios?  Silver must be oxide first?  This is possible with
> hydrogen peroxide? what about the 80% ions, what happens?   Can be made
> simply be adding citrate to water when making a batch with typical low
> voltage method?  chloride in lemon juice defeats the purpose of the citrate?
>
> Thank you
>
> mg
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