Re: MCT Fund
Okay, Bob, I can certainly understand why noone will really want to be making that decision for me. Since it looks like we are way over the mark on the MCT fund, I hereby rescind my pledge, and I will send Jim and Reid each $10 immediately. Whitney -Original Message- From: Robert L. Wells robert.we...@ny.ubs.com To: silver silver silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, July 31, 1998 1:00 PM Subject: MCT Fund Thanks Whitney, your support is valued. However, you need to be the person who decides where your contribution goes. I don't think anyone else should do it for you unless you specifically appoint someone to make your decision for you and are prepared to write a check. If you want to support Reid and Jim, send them a check now. They'll appreciate it. If you want to stick with the microbial test, you can do that too. It's your choice. If you drop out of the MCT Fund, just let me know. Bob Wells Whitney wrote: Mike, your recommendations are all OK with me. I do want to say that the $20 which I pledged for microbial testing can be moved wherever it is needed (to the particle-size measurement or ppm testing projects). Whitney Collins -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: MCT Fund Update 7/31 AM
At the start of this, my main thoughts were with the particulate size and effectiveness, is the size a factor in how well it works. Are we back to having no real way to discern this measuring process now? or is there still some way this will be able to be tested. Someone with lots of time would be needed for the subsequent tests on down from that level.We knowG it works, but the retailers of CS are telling multiple versions of why THEIR'S works best. We need to be able to tell ourselves and newcomers needing help the answer to this. Maybe we could turn some mice blue in the meantime:). Deb Good idea, hey I have an old wild cat that keeps comming around. Humm I could be the only person on the block with a BLUE cat... :] For those that are animal rights activists I'M ONLY KIDDING!!! Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: MCT Fund Update 7/31 AM
Robert L. Wells wrote: Although it appears that there is evidence that some silver products either kill bacteria or limit its growth, I want to know how a home-made brew stacks up. I agree that we need to define the manufacturing process and quality standards of what we test. At the start of this, my main thoughts were with the particulate size and effectiveness, is the size a factor in how well it works. Are we back to having no real way to discern this measuring process now? or is there still some way this will be able to be tested. Someone with lots of time would be needed for the subsequent tests on down from that level.We knowG it works, but the retailers of CS are telling multiple versions of why THEIR'S works best. We need to be able to tell ourselves and newcomers needing help the answer to this. Maybe we could turn some mice blue in the meantime:). Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: MCT Update 7/29 AM
Regarding the use of funds for Jim Einert. I was not actively participating on the list when this issue first came up so I don't know what kinds of commitments where made by list members regarding reimbursement. My own feeling at this point is that this fund was started for a specific purpose. The pledges were made for a stated goal, i.e. for the professional biological testing of CS, and that to divert funds from that purpose now would be inappropriate and would serve only to defocus this particular effort. My intentions were not to divert money from one research into another. I put myself out on a limb by charging the equipment and letting it go. At the time I though I had unlimited use with the loaner m-scope and camera. Well the owner needed his m-scope back, the limb broke and I'm stuck without a way to check my blood plus finish researching. Jim originally volenteered his time to do the CS testing. I volenteered my time to find and put together a camera system so he could post his findings. I now have volenteered my time, paramicium cultures, and labor to finding out what CS will kill. I also feal three people with different views will get us closer to the goal of finding out what CS will kill much faster than one. Now maybe I'm wrong but it seems like we're putting the cart before the horse. We don't even have a standarized CS maker and I feal that many tests should be made with many different makes to come up with a standarized CS maker. After we test the different brews on the paramicium then proceed from there to the expensive disk testing. If you want a start on a cheap CS maker you can take a look at mine at www.eskimo.com/~reid/. There's a lot of info in that artical and many hours of research. Add a 555 timer circuit where you press a button and it works for a certian period of time and you get closer to the goal of a standarized PPM. We still need some standards as to what size wire, additives to the distilled water, temperature, swapping poles at certian times and cleaning of materials. One other thing the cost is the same or a little more than what a person would pay for 3 9v batterys and the clips. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: MCT Fund Hits Target!!!
trans...@aol.com wrote: I sent a pledge in twice already, but it still hasn't been recorded!! Here goes again $50 for Nick Ferraro. Count me in. Thanks -- Nick, I believe your pledge has been recorded. Isn't that you fifth down from the top. Many thanks again, Doug. For now the fund stands as follows: Tom Young tyo...@esslink.com - $20.00 Bruce K. Stenulson stenul...@amigo.net - $20.00 Paul Bembower bembo...@fastrans.net - $20.00 M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net - $20.00 Nick Ferraro trans...@aol.com- $50.00 Sandi swoinow...@plix.com - $50.00 Michael Mahoneymmaho...@eoni.com - $20.00 Bill VSbill...@cheerful.com- $20.00 Jerry WineBrenner win...@aol.com - $20.00 Whitney Collinsxanadu...@email.msn.com - $20.00 D. K. Masontvst...@worldlink.net - $10.00 Fidget fid...@warwick.net - $10.00 Robert Wells robert.we...@ny.ubs.com - $50.00 George N. Allengal...@cpcug.org- $20.00 W. D. Cavanaughchuck...@iamerica.net - $10.00 Debbie McDonaldlullw...@flash.net - $10.00 Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net - $20.00 Dameon likow...@earthlink.net - $20.00 Dean Woodward woodw...@educelec.com - $20.00 George george.bere...@nashville.com- $20.00 George Martin gmar...@usonet.ne.jp- $50.00 Douglas McMurtrie dmcmu...@bellatlantic.net - $50.00 ___ Total to Date $ 550.00 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: MCT update + question + TDS-1
Doug wrote: Has anyone started building the CS generator per MGD's spec in the suggested protocol? I'm collecting up the parts myself and should have an operating one within a couple of days. ... At this point have we agreed to go with Mike's protocol as it stands? I don't think we've got a concensus yet, though I think that will happen, Doug. Several questions and suggestions were offered, to which I responded. I don't know if they agree with me, as I haven't heard anything more! grin Also, I called Hanna back this morning and talked with their technical specialist about what I was trying to do and the functionality of the TDS-1 vs the DIST-1 and he absolutely asserts that the DIST-1 has a LOWER margin of error than the TDS-1 for a sample of a given concentration and it is definitely the preferred device for testing lower concentration samples. What is the price for the DIST-1? Do you have the URL of the page where they show it on their site? I wouldn't be surprised if it was more accurate. If the price is reasonable I'd consider one myself. The good news is the TDS-1 is repeatable enough that, once calibrated, you'll be able to get reproduceable results from batch to batch. That's it's basic purpose, and I think it's good enough. If a better instrument is available, then some may want to consider it. I need to work up documentation of how to set up, test, and calibrate a TDS-1 for the (still stalled) web site. I'd like to be able to add similar material for the DIST-1 when you get familiar with it. Another pledge for the fund today!! For now the fund stands as follows: ... Total to Date $ 550.00 Way to go folks! Let's see if we can get a consensus on what to test... Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: MCT Fund Hits Target!!!
Hey, I'm good for 20 bucks. Forgot to chime in! Mike [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: MCT
Douglas McMurtrie I have been slow to pledge any money because I didn't see the groups effort as proceeding in a logical manner. Before an MCT can be performed we must decide what we are going to test with and what we are going to test it on. Recent postings have indicated a willingness on the part of some to alter priorities and sort out the question of which CS will be used. I personally like the idea of testing several different samples of CS. So far it has been suggested the CS be tested for concentration and particle size but no one has suggested testing for purity. Everyone seems to assume the CS will contain only water and metallic/ ionic silver. What if there is something else present? Shouldn't we know what it is and how much of it is present? I'm not qualified to recommend a sound testing methodology. Perhaps someone else on this list can help. It shouldn't be too complex but I imagine it will require sufficient knowledge and experience to suggest we must first decide this. Then we can test that. Then further testing of whatever can be done. It may be we will need to find someone to help establish the procedures we should follow. It might be possible that, for an additional fee, a testing lab could assist with this. Others have expressed concern that jumping too quickly with a poorly thought out plan might wind up as wasted time and money requiring us to start all over again and do it right the second time. Assuming we can get it right the first time I believe this effort is going to cost a lot more than $400. For the time being put me down for a $20.00 pledge to this CS investigation fund. Michael -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: MCT Update and MORE!!
Douglas McMurtrie wrote: So the short story is, we need to decide on the brewing process, cook some up, mail it to me and I'll get it to the lab for the test then I'll post the results. Then we and the MCT lab will have a much better idea of what we're using on the bug tests. That is providing there's not such a long time between the two sets of tests that shelf life becomes an issue. We need to move briskly on this since if the lab gets busy with their paying work then the offer may be withdrawn. We should try to have consensus on this within a few days and I would like to have sample in hand within say 10 days. Does that seem reasonable to all? Thanks, Doug See, nothing to it! bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: MCT update
bjs1779 wrote: Douglas McMurtrie wrote: The tentative target is $400.00 based on Bob Well's original contact. This number will get more specific as we get test specs and pricing from the labs. After the logistics are worked out, a mailing address will be provided and notification will be made to everyone. 1. I think the people donating the money should have the last say about just what is going to get tested. I agree. 2. I don't think anyone that donated understands what is going to be tested or what it is going to be tested on. On the first point MGD had an excellent post regarding suggestions on what to test a few days ago. Mike, maybe you could repost that. On the second point my understanding is that Bob Wells is currently investigating labs, test costs, protocols etc. and will get back to us when he has more concrete info. These are just good faith pledges and a way to gauge the level of commitment for getting some testing done. No money has changed hands. Maybe we can find a way to get testing at no cost. 3. I think more donations would be made if these issues were settled. With a little more money and a plan of action, we may(you) in effect not be wasting money. There is only we in this effort. While the fund was my idea, it was inspired by Bob Wells original investigation into microbial challenge tests done by commercial labs for industry. As to the fund itself, I am acting only in the role of secretary. I intend to leave any collection of monies and final decisions as to its use to Bob or other designees who have more experience both with CS and with the people on this list. I will cast my one vote just like everyone else when the time comes. 4. To attempt to start that process, would it be more cost effective to have our better brewers samples checked for ppm and particle sizes before any lab culture work is done? This is where I would kick in a donation. Yes, I agree that something like that must be done. Again, Mike if you would repost your suggestions for what to test. 5. Nothing we do is to imply the safety of CS to anyone on this list or in any way to anybody else. Only the FDA can do that. Test results will speak for themselves. I believe the intent here is to test for efficacy in vitro. Safety is outside the scope. Regards, Doug -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
