Re: [Simh] NetBSD5.0.2
Peter, I can't get the idle detection to work - Simh hogs the CPU. I am using set cpu idle=netbsd. Try the simh_vax_cpu_idle patch I wrote. It is on sourceforge under the unofficial patches folder. Thanks for the idea. I looked and couldn't find it. Please could you supply the information I need to find the patch? I looked at https://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/ and then did a Code-Browse CVS. There are a lot of directories there - which one contains your unofficial patches? Peter -Nigel -- Nigel Horne. Arranger, Adjudicator, Band Trainer, Composer, Tutor, Typesetter. NJH Music, ICQ#20252325, twitter: @nigelhorne n...@bandsman.co.uk http://www.bandsman.co.uk ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] NetBSD5.0.2
The direct link is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/files/Unofficial%20Patches/3.8.1/simh_vax_cpu_idle.zip/download I've placed all that I can in the 'browse all files' On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Nigel Horne n...@bandsman.co.uk wrote: Peter, I can't get the idle detection to work - Simh hogs the CPU. I am using set cpu idle=netbsd. Try the simh_vax_cpu_idle patch I wrote. It is on sourceforge under the unofficial patches folder. Thanks for the idea. I looked and couldn't find it. Please could you supply the information I need to find the patch? I looked at https://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/ and then did a Code-Browse CVS. There are a lot of directories there - which one contains your unofficial patches? Peter -Nigel -- Nigel Horne. Arranger, Adjudicator, Band Trainer, Composer, Tutor, Typesetter. NJH Music, ICQ#20252325, twitter: @nigelhorne n...@bandsman.co.uk http://www.bandsman.co.uk ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] NetBSD5.0.2
At 06:14 AM 9/2/2010, Jason Stevens wrote: The direct link is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/files/Unofficial%20Patches/3.8.1/simh_vax_cpu_idle.zip/downloadhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/files/Unofficial%20Patches/3.8.1/simh_vax_cpu_idle.zip/download I've placed all that I can in the 'browse all files' I have a question - is there ever going to be another official SIMH release, or is just going to be unofficial patches from here on? I supplied Bob a set of corrections for the PDP8/FPP8A simulation code back in April of 2009, under the assumption that it'd show up in a 3.8-2 sometime but there's been no new releases since then. There's also nothing on the SIMH webpage pointing to the Source Forge project. I'm sorry if I missed the history (apparently my mail server was blocking mail from this list due to some spam-blocking reason that I've now stopped, but what's going on with SIMH? Do I submit my patches to the sourceforge project now, and if so how do I do that? Thanks, -Rick ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] NetBSD5.0.2
On 02/09/10 11:14, Jason Stevens wrote: The direct link is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/files/Unofficial%20Patches/3.8.1/simh_vax_cpu_idle.zip/download I tried that, but the patch fails: n...@packard:~/src/simhv38-1$ patch /home/njh/Download/foo/simh_vax_cpu_idle.diff (Stripping trailing CRs from patch.) patching file vax_cpu.c Hunk #1 FAILED at 3088. Hunk #2 FAILED at 3399. 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file vax_cpu.c.rej -Nigel -- Nigel Horne. Arranger, Adjudicator, Band Trainer, Composer, Tutor, Typesetter. NJH Music, ICQ#20252325, twitter: @nigelhorne n...@bandsman.co.uk http://www.bandsman.co.uk ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] NetBSD5.0.2
I've been maintaining the sourceforge stuff... And I've been collecting patches from people or posts, and putting them on the site, as before that I've been providing builds for anyone outside of the linux/win32 environments.. (speaking of which work FINALLY got me some OSX access so I'll be updating with some 10.6.3 binaries...!). Send me what you have, and I'll add it to the sourceforge page. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 6:43 AM, Rick Murphy s...@rickmurphy.net wrote: At 06:14 AM 9/2/2010, Jason Stevens wrote: The direct link is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/files/Unofficial%20Patches/3.8.1/simh_vax_cpu_idle.zip/download http://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/files/Unofficial%20Patches/3.8.1/simh_vax_cpu_idle.zip/download I've placed all that I can in the 'browse all files' I have a question - is there ever going to be another official SIMH release, or is just going to be unofficial patches from here on? I supplied Bob a set of corrections for the PDP8/FPP8A simulation code back in April of 2009, under the assumption that it'd show up in a 3.8-2 sometime but there's been no new releases since then. There's also nothing on the SIMH webpage pointing to the Source Forge project. I'm sorry if I missed the history (apparently my mail server was blocking mail from this list due to some spam-blocking reason that I've now stopped, but what's going on with SIMH? Do I submit my patches to the sourceforge project now, and if so how do I do that? Thanks, -Rick ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] NetBSD5.0.2
I get the impression you should unzip with the -a flag to put the patch in your native CR/LF format. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Nigel Horne n...@bandsman.co.uk wrote: On 02/09/10 11:14, Jason Stevens wrote: The direct link is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/files/Unofficial%20Patches/3.8.1/simh_vax_cpu_idle.zip/download I tried that, but the patch fails: n...@packard:~/src/simhv38-1$ patch /home/njh/Download/foo/simh_vax_cpu_idle.diff (Stripping trailing CRs from patch.) patching file vax_cpu.c Hunk #1 FAILED at 3088. Hunk #2 FAILED at 3399. 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file vax_cpu.c.rej -Nigel -- Nigel Horne. Arranger, Adjudicator, Band Trainer, Composer, Tutor, Typesetter. NJH Music, ICQ#20252325, twitter: @nigelhorne n...@bandsman.co.uk http://www.bandsman.co.uk ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project (was RE: NetBSD5.0.2)
Jason writes: How do we plan to keep SIMH alive, well maintained, and vibrant into the future ? At the moment, known bugs and lacking functionality generate traffic on the mailing list. Who owns the content on the SIMH web site, and who is responsible for keeping it up-to-date also ? I host the website and the mailing list. Bob Supnik is in charge of the website content (although I have been known to correct some errant or out of date links). Tim (sho...@trailing-edge.com) ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project (was RE:NetBSD5.0.2)
Jason wrote: Would it be useful to have a documentation wiki with restricted/authenticated accounts for edit access (mainly to prevent spam bots) ? That sounds like a really good and useful idea. Kay ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project (was RE:NetBSD5.0.2)
sounds good to me, I've been keeping some stuff here: http://gunkies.org/wiki/Category:SIMH_Tutorials http://gunkies.org/wiki/Category:SIMH_Tutorialsbut it would seem the people behind it, have let it follow into disrepair, as I haven't gotten any word back after a blatant spam attack... worst case I do kind of have a wiki on: http://www.superglobalmegacorp.com/ where I've even tried to provide some access to legacy systems, along with instructions etc etc The only thing I would suggest is a way to provide some 'image' uploads for pictures, and binary files, like the bootra stuff for 4.x BSD.. it makes things easier for people that follow along. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Kay Dekker kaydek...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Jason wrote: Would it be useful to have a documentation wiki with restricted/authenticated accounts for edit access (mainly to prevent spam bots) ? That sounds like a really good and useful idea. Kay ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project
I have experience with sourceforge; I'm willing to offer my time and help as an admin on the project's sourceforge area if needed. -Nigel -- Nigel Horne. Arranger, Adjudicator, Band Trainer, Composer, Tutor, Typesetter. NJH Music, ICQ#20252325, twitter: @nigelhorne n...@bandsman.co.uk http://www.bandsman.co.uk ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project
In article 4c7fcadd.90...@bandsman.co.uk, Nigel Horne n...@bandsman.co.uk writes: I have experience with sourceforge; I'm willing to offer my time and help as an admin on the project's sourceforge area if needed. Personally I'd be happy to see it migrate away from sourceforge as its basically become an open source ghetto now. -- The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline -- DirectX 9 draft available for download http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/ Legalize Adulthood! http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project
Richard mentioned on 2-9-2010 18:13: In article4c7fcadd.90...@bandsman.co.uk, Nigel Hornen...@bandsman.co.uk writes: I have experience with sourceforge; I'm willing to offer my time and help as an admin on the project's sourceforge area if needed. Personally I'd be happy to see it migrate away from sourceforge as its basically become an open source ghetto now. and SIMH, originally, was not open source in the sense that any responsible programmer could contribute. The quality of the software and the ultimate decision on released functionality was always in the hands of Bob S. And a mighty fine job he did! I'm not sure that releasing it into the open source ghetto of sourceforge is a good idea. My 2 €c worth... /Wilm ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project
On 2-Sep-10, at 12:18 PM, Wilm Boerhout wrote: Richard mentioned on 2-9-2010 18:13: In article4c7fcadd.90...@bandsman.co.uk, Nigel Hornen...@bandsman.co.uk writes: I have experience with sourceforge; I'm willing to offer my time and help as an admin on the project's sourceforge area if needed. Personally I'd be happy to see it migrate away from sourceforge as its basically become an open source ghetto now. and SIMH, originally, was not open source in the sense that any responsible programmer could contribute. The quality of the software and the ultimate decision on released functionality was always in the hands of Bob S. And a mighty fine job he did! I'm not sure that releasing it into the open source ghetto of sourceforge is a good idea. How could it change the way the software is administered? That's entirely up to the owner(s). It's just a convenient place to distribute, track issues, etc. --Toby My 2 €c worth... /Wilm ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project
In article 4c7fce43.3020...@planet.nl, Wilm Boerhout w...@planet.nl writes: I'm not sure that releasing it into the open source ghetto of sourceforge is a good idea. If it were to be open sourced, github or codeplex would be a better place. -- The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline -- DirectX 9 draft available for download http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/ Legalize Adulthood! http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project
In article abd25b34-5aae-407d-807f-14921a98d...@telegraphics.com.au, Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au writes: How could it change the way the software is administered? That's entirely up to the owner(s). It's just a convenient place to distribute, track issues, etc. Well, it does have license implications as these sites usually require you to pick 1 of N predefined licenses for the projects that they host. -- The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline -- DirectX 9 draft available for download http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/ Legalize Adulthood! http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project
On 2-Sep-10, at 12:29 PM, Richard wrote: In article abd25b34-5aae-407d-807f-14921a98d...@telegraphics.com.au, Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au writes: How could it change the way the software is administered? That's entirely up to the owner(s). It's just a convenient place to distribute, track issues, etc. Well, it does have license implications as these sites usually require you to pick 1 of N predefined licenses for the projects that they host. Then that could be a dealbreaker. Is it really proposed here that the license changes? I must have missed that part. Besides it is a decision for the copyright holder alone. --T -- The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline -- DirectX 9 draft available for download http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/ Legalize Adulthood! http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project
Well the big thing that is needed is binary builds for other platforms, and some kind of a 'test suite' to really verify that these emulators work correctly. I've done what I can, but honestly I don't know all that much about these older platforms Maybe with a resurgence of interest we can finally get at least one OS test case for everything? Sourceforge is at least 'established', and it does provide world wide mirroring, and hell it's FREE which IMHO is a 'good thing'. The other nice thing is that you don't need any weird tools to download any release, os or patch, as they are all available to any HTTP 1.1 compliant browsers, although they recently have gone the path of AJAX hell... but you can still figure out some kind of direct link from any browser. If anything I think the 'google' effect to the soruceforge thing is pretty low, but then how many SIMH users are there really out there? Is it even worth asking for a census? Am I just thinking over the top??? I judged platform priority from the old 3.7-3 release of SIMH when I started uploading what I could, and I was kind of surprised that it went win32,MS-DOS,Linux,OSX,NeXTSTEP At any rate, for the current MS-DOShttp://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/files/simh%20binaries/3-8.1/simh-3.8-1_MS-DOSi386-exe.zip/downloadlcd these are the following platforms I can verify to some degree: *Altair (CP/M,ALTDOS) *Altair Z80 (CP/M) *HP2100 (Basic) *ID32 (Unix6 7) *Nova (RDOS) *PDP11 (Unix1 restoration) *PDP8 (OS8) *SWTP (FLEX...? I forget how to even get beyond $ prompts) *VAX (Quasijarus BSD) *VAX/11780 (BSD 4.2) Naturally things like VMS aren't free, so we can't put them online, but things that *are* free I'd love to be able to include some kind of basic users guide, to get to know the machine/platforms It's a steep curve for anyone who's never used these old machines before... And like everything else on the internet, things seem to show up, then suddenly disappear, and even with large hiatuses on my own stuff, sourceforge has kept things around which is nice. Oh well I see I'm rambling like crazy so I'll stop for now, but that's my $0.02 .. Jason Stevens ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project (was RE: NetBSD5.0.2)
Il 02/09/2010 14:15, Michael Kerpan ha scritto: There comes a time in the life of many long-term open source projects when the original maintainers can no longer be as active as they once were. The joy of open source, though, is that if that happens the community can continue to update the software as a Taliban ;) of the OS, I concur agree; but also I reckon the role bob has, so, IMRHO the best solution is that Bob remains (with what level of involvment, effective or nominal, is his personal choice) as the head of the dev activity; head, but not figurehead, if someone wonder ;) On practical dev activities to be done, the main things are, aside developing new emulated cpu cores, machines, drives, c (the ever-incresing documentation provided by the redoutable Kossow enable developing new emulators, IMVHO) and perfectioning the existing CPU drivers (looking to the DECTape marks issue, for example) I think, albeit I'm not 100% certain. I guess that this type of works can be eased by a somewhat streamlined doc on how one can do a barebones emulator (i'm working on and off on occamizing the 8080 altair emulator into a 8008+TTY system, and isn't easy doing the preliminary cut works) Also, implementing a binary output for the EX instruction (think about EX SR...) IMHO should be one of the priorities, also, perhaps some graphic support (PDP-1 spacewar, for example ;) ) should be not a bad idea. Related to the two suggestion above, what was of that blinkenlighten concept someone shows a year or two ago, IIRC ? this off my hat at the moment Best regards from Italy, dott. Piergiorgio. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project (was RE: NetBSD5.0.2)
I did have a basic port to SDL for the spacewar thing, I need to finalize the palette and bring it up to the 3.8-1 release... Somehow I got distracted with a copy of UnixWare for some reason On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:08 PM, dott.Piergiorgio dott.piergior...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il 02/09/2010 14:15, Michael Kerpan ha scritto: There comes a time in the life of many long-term open source projects when the original maintainers can no longer be as active as they once were. The joy of open source, though, is that if that happens the community can continue to update the software as a Taliban ;) of the OS, I concur agree; but also I reckon the role bob has, so, IMRHO the best solution is that Bob remains (with what level of involvment, effective or nominal, is his personal choice) as the head of the dev activity; head, but not figurehead, if someone wonder ;) On practical dev activities to be done, the main things are, aside developing new emulated cpu cores, machines, drives, c (the ever-incresing documentation provided by the redoutable Kossow enable developing new emulators, IMVHO) and perfectioning the existing CPU drivers (looking to the DECTape marks issue, for example) I think, albeit I'm not 100% certain. I guess that this type of works can be eased by a somewhat streamlined doc on how one can do a barebones emulator (i'm working on and off on occamizing the 8080 altair emulator into a 8008+TTY system, and isn't easy doing the preliminary cut works) Also, implementing a binary output for the EX instruction (think about EX SR...) IMHO should be one of the priorities, also, perhaps some graphic support (PDP-1 spacewar, for example ;) ) should be not a bad idea. Related to the two suggestion above, what was of that blinkenlighten concept someone shows a year or two ago, IIRC ? this off my hat at the moment Best regards from Italy, dott. Piergiorgio. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project (was RE: NetBSD5.0.2)
Il 02/09/2010 20:13, Jason Stevens ha scritto: I did have a basic port to SDL for the spacewar thing, I need to finalize the palette and bring it up to the 3.8-1 release... Somehow I got distracted with a copy of UnixWare for some reason eh finalizing the palette can be rather problematic, because actually the ancient Latin wisdom de gustibus non disputandum est is de gustibus *et coloribus* non est disputandum (meaning, not only the taste, but also the colour spectrum should be not discussed, being tied to very different individual perception)... Best regards from Italy, dott. Piergiorgio. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] DECtape marks issue????????
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:08:01 +0200 From: dott.Piergiorgio dott.piergior...@fastwebnet.it (looking to the DECTape marks issue, for example) What is the DECtape marks issue? The DECtape emulation in SimH does not simulate the mark track on a DECtape, so I don't understand how there could be a DECtape marks issue. I suggested to Bob several years ago that the DECtape representation could be made more realistic (and thereby more flexible). His reasonable answer was to point out that I could do the implementation, should I choose to do so, and submit it for everyone's review; since I am not a C programmer, I have never had the time to do that. (Macro-20, sure.) I'll outline my original vision, and my present simplification, and if you (or anyone else) wants to pursue it, I'll be happy to provide insight into the working of DECtape drives and controllers. Represent the frames on a DECtape as 8-bit bytes; the timing tracks are implicit in the order of the bytes in the resulting file. Represent the mark tracks with bits 0 and 7, one the inverse of the other (as a nod to the automatic inversion of bit sense in a Read Backwards operation). The data tracks are 1 = bits 1 and 4, 2 = 2 and 5, and 3 = 3 and 6, where bits 1-2-3 are conjointly inverted with respect to bits 4-5-6. We ignore the fact that on a physical DECtape, 5 tracks' worth of data is redundantly recorded on 10 tracks (T M 1 2 3 1A 2A 3A M T). This can be simplified if we drop the inversion, and represent each frame in an 8-bit byte where the mark track is bit 0 and data tracks are 5-6-7. The controller (555, TC01, TC02, TC08, TC09, TD10, TD8E, TC11, or TC15) is responsible for assembling 3 bits of data at a time into 12, 16, 18, or 36 bit words and putting it into the CPU or memory, as appropriate. That's where all the work is. There's also the question of other brands of computer (Data General comes to mind) and their controllers, as well. Creating realistic DECtape emulations for SimH could turn into a cottage industry. But let's return to the question: WHAT DECtape marks issue Rich ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
[Simh] OSX builds
ok now that I've finally gotten my hands on 10.6.3 I've built i386/x86_64/ppc7400 builds for everything I tested what I could and it seems to work. If anyone else can verify so that I don't have a repeat of that 10.4.5 disaster... ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] OSX builds
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Jason Stevens neoz...@gmail.com wrote: ok now that I've finally gotten my hands on 10.6.3 I've built i386/x86_64/ppc7400 builds for everything I tested what I could and it seems to work. If anyone else can verify so that I don't have a repeat of that 10.4.5 disaster... ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh Hello! One way of looking at it. I do not believe that the complaints that have been aired concerning the mess that Source Forge is evolving into are relevant to us. If anything it is the problem of the users who are allowing it to become so much garbage. The next step will be to create binaries for the PC, both Linux and Windows. Include networking support. I'm not sure how the BSD faction will be allowed to come up next. That is everything else but OS/X and Linux who're covered under different banners. BSD faction members like NetBSD for example. If we can get NetBSD for the Vax to run properly on SIMH/VAX then some fifty percent of the issues faced over there can be resolved. - Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] OSX builds
I've always been under the impression that Net/Free OpenBSD users either use their local package system to get stuff, or are capable to build their own binaries... Otherwise, on the sourceforge page, when it detects your OS, it should shuffle you to the appropriate OS.. It has hooks for OSX, Solaris, NetBSD, Linux Windows... And I've now got binaries that cover all of those for the 'normal' non networked build... As for the NetBSD idle, it may involve reverting the idle code changes between 3.8-0 and 3.8-1 ... But even then I'd feel very hesitant to roll that into any mainline builds. I guess I'll have to download some miniroot or something for NetBSD to watch it idle. I assume the MicroVAX II is where everyone is using this On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Gregg Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Jason Stevens neoz...@gmail.com wrote: ok now that I've finally gotten my hands on 10.6.3 I've built i386/x86_64/ppc7400 builds for everything I tested what I could and it seems to work. If anyone else can verify so that I don't have a repeat of that 10.4.5 disaster... ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh Hello! One way of looking at it. I do not believe that the complaints that have been aired concerning the mess that Source Forge is evolving into are relevant to us. If anything it is the problem of the users who are allowing it to become so much garbage. The next step will be to create binaries for the PC, both Linux and Windows. Include networking support. I'm not sure how the BSD faction will be allowed to come up next. That is everything else but OS/X and Linux who're covered under different banners. BSD faction members like NetBSD for example. If we can get NetBSD for the Vax to run properly on SIMH/VAX then some fifty percent of the issues faced over there can be resolved. - Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project
Previously, Nigel Hornen...@bandsman.co.uk wrote: and SIMH, originally, was not open source in the sense that any responsible programmer could contribute. The quality of the software and the ultimate decision on released functionality was always in the hands of Bob S. And a mighty fine job he did! And then later, Wilm Boerhout wrote: This discussion is not (was not originally) where it's stored (although others above have pointed to viable alternatives) but who is responsible: Bob Supnik or the open source community. I vote for Bob. Just to be perfectly clear, I am a HUGE fan of Bob Supnik's work on SIMH. Booting OpenVMS on SIMH still brings a grin to my face when I think back about wrestling with a shiny new MicroVAX 2000 and loading MicroVMS 4.5B from about 80 floppy disks back in 1989. Bob's (largely single-handed) vision and dedication is what brought SIMH and the retro-computing it allows us all to enjoy, to the point where it is today. Having said that, I also don't want to see SIMH become stagnant if Bob's available time to devote to SIMH may become (or perhaps already is) limited. And I don't want to see multiple forked versions of the code start to spring up because people are impatient waiting for patches to be incorporated in the mainline, or for their favorite new whiz-bang OS to be supported as a host. I am not voting against Bob, but rather, my vote is for SIMH *and* for maintaining it to the same high standard as Bob intended. If that means having a core team that ensures Bob's blueprint is followed, fantastic. If Bob wants to tell us all to take a hike, I've got to respect that too. Bob, if you're out there reading this thread, your devoted SIMH fans would love to hear your thoughts !!! Regards Jason ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project (was RE: NetBSD5.0.2)
On Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 8:00, Armistead, Jason wrote: So what *IS* the future for SIMH ? This may add some light: http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/pipermail/simh-dev/2010-August/002442.html -- Dave ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] SIMH future releases / Sourceforge project
In article aanlkti=pn4fgn2nhykvpnfedri98bfw2p0x1ziw9n...@mail.gmail.com, Jason Stevens neoz...@gmail.com writes: Sourceforge is at least 'established', and it does provide world wide mirroring, and hell it's FREE which IMHO is a 'good thing'. The other nice thing is that you don't need any weird tools to download any release, os or patch, as they are all available to any HTTP 1.1 compliant browsers, although they recently have gone the path of AJAX hell... but you can still figure out some kind of direct link from any browser. All of this is true of github, codeplex, and google code to name three alternatives just off the top of my head. There are others I'm sure. I voice my preference as someone that formerly hosted open source projects on sourceforge, attempted to interact with the owners of that site to address what I (and others) perceived as its shortcomings, was basically rebuffed and eventually decided to move to another open source project community site. (I chose codeplex, but that has no real bearing on the lameness that sourceforge has become.) I'm not an active SIMH developer, so I provide my opinion as food for thought, but its not a compelling reason to do anything either way. -- The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline -- DirectX 9 draft available for download http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/ Legalize Adulthood! http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] NetBSD5.0.2
Well getting back to the start of the thread, what I've done here is regressed the idle code to include an OLDVMS option which set the idle timings and hook to the old pre 3.8-1 levels, allowing things like 4.2 BSD, and other BSD's to idle correctly. Note that this is *FAR* from tested, as I just built it under MinGW and booted up the NetBSD 5.0.2 miniroot, and as soon as it's done it's thing it'll idle on my laptop (windows 7 , x64) at 0% The patch is here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/files/Unofficial%20Patches/3.8.1/regressed-vax-idle.zip/download Although I can verify that it seems to 'work' right on windows, when I compile the same patch on OSX I get 50% cpu utilization Oh well I guess it's worth something. ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
