Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist, licenses

[Dan Gahlinger]

I'd be glad to host files!

also looking for

v2.4 and v4.2

Dan

Try: https://www.grammarly.com


From: Simh  on behalf of John Dundas 

Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 12:02:07 PM
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> There is a VMS 1.5 tape on Bitsavers.  I haven't tried to do anything with 
> it.  No DECnet that I can see, though.
>
>paul


I think that's the tape I sent Al years ago.  I've built a system from
it but it is too unstable and incomplete to be usable, not that I
remember V1.5 being particularly stable, but this is really unusable.
There are read errors on the tape.

I have a V3.0 pristine system disk image if anyone wants.  I no longer
have a web site to host files to, so if someone is willing to host the
file, let me know.

John

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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist, licenses

[John Dundas]

There is a VMS 1.5 tape on Bitsavers.  I haven't tried to do anything with it.  
No DECnet that I can see, though.

paul



I think that's the tape I sent Al years ago.  I've built a system from 
it but it is too unstable and incomplete to be usable, not that I 
remember V1.5 being particularly stable, but this is really unusable.  
There are read errors on the tape.


I have a V3.0 pristine system disk image if anyone wants.  I no longer 
have a web site to host files to, so if someone is willing to host the 
file, let me know.


John

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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Supratim Sanyal]

On 3/13/20 8:17 AM, Ray Jewhurst wrote:
5.5-2H4 still requires a  PAK and also I have never been able to get 
that specific image (from VAXHaven) to work but the TK50 version 
works fine.
The ISO at winworldpc works great, as does the SimH VAXstation-II/GPX 
emulator. 5.5-2H4 DECwindows logon with the blue logo still looks cool!

VAX VMS 5.5-2H4 login screen




Ray

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 10:12 PM Supratim Sanyal <mailto:supra...@riseup.net>> wrote:



On 3/12/20 8:02 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:

AG-PXL1A-RE VMS2H4055   OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2H4 BIN CD 1/1 
1993
August  AG-PXL1A-RE.iso.zip
<http://vaxhaven.com/cd-image/AG-PXL1A-RE.iso.zip>(64 Mb)


From: http://vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive

and peruse the other one: http://mirrors.pdp-11.ru/_vax__/


hmmm. remarkable. thanks.



Dan


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*To:* Dan Gahlinger 
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https://archive.org/details/VMS5.52VAX

I haven’t been able to find PAKs for it.


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On Mar 12, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Dan Gahlinger mailto:dgahl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:



{redacted due to horrific font}

Dan

*From:* Simh mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com>> on behalf of Alexander
Schreiber mailto:a...@thangorodrim.ch>>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:52:49 PM
*To:* Gary Lee Phillips mailto:tivo.ov...@gmail.com>>
*Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>
    mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final
hobbyist licenses
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:11:01AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
> Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in
301 and does
> not contain the hobbyist number.

Well, the authorization code pretty clearly states what this
license is:
the final hobbyist license, presumably minted in 2020-03-01.

So, on the one hand, it is basically not a personalized license.
On the other
hand, it expires on 2022-01-01 and is the final license, no more
after that.

>
> I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0
or 4.4 as a

There seem to be OpenVMS 5.5.2 ISOs floating around somewhere.

> long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO available
> somewhere? I started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on a
VAX 8200 and a
> MicroVAX II. It seems to me that the system was already pretty
serviceable,
> aside from the need for third party extensions to get TCP/IP
in place of
> DECNet.
>

Kind regards,
  Alex.
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Robert G. Schaffrath]

V5.5-2 is the environment I have. When I joined the hobbyist program in 
2004, I bought the VMS V7.2 CD but I also had an old 4mm DAT tape with a 
final image backup of a MicroVAX 3900 running V5.5-2 prior to its being 
decommissioned at the end of 1996 and the hardware scrapped. I was 
eventually able to extract the image from the 4mm with a combination of 
4mm drive on Windows NT and the VMS V7.2 system to build disks. When I 
booted the V5.5-2 image under the MicroVAX SiMH simulator, it came right 
up without any problems as it believed, and the installed PAK's 
believed, it was running on a real MicroVAX 3900.


These days I boot it perhaps once every 3 or 4 months just to reminisce. 
I get a kick out of looking at some of the kernel mode Macro-32 I had 
written way back in the early 1990's. One of executables gives me a 
control-T type status display when I press control-P and the other 
causes the time to be continuously displayed in the lower right side of 
the status bar of a VT4xx terminal, updating every second (it actually 
works with Tera Term 4.x in VT420 mode). They run Kernel or Exec mode 
because they load themselves into P1 space and run basically as the DOS 
equivalent of TSR's. Looking at that old code I find it hard to believe 
I wrote it. There is also a lot of VAX BASIC stuff I wrote with SMG$. 
Hard to believe so much of this is 28 to 30 years old.


As for 7.2, I have not booted the V7.2 image since the hobbyist PAK's 
expired years ago and I never kept them up.


On 3/13/2020 9:40 AM, simh-requ...@trailing-edge.com wrote:

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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Paul Koning]

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Arthur Krewat  wrote:
> 
> I think I have some early VMS sources on microfiche somewhere...
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/12/2020 11:46 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>> Nice!
>> 
>> You wouldn't happen to have v4.2 or v5.2 ? 🙂
>> 
>> I have v1.0 somewhere heh
>> 
>> Dan.

There is a VMS 1.5 tape on Bitsavers.  I haven't tried to do anything with it.  
No DECnet that I can see, though.

paul


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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Arthur Krewat]

I think I have some early VMS sources on microfiche somewhere...



On 3/12/2020 11:46 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:

Nice!

You wouldn't happen to have v4.2 or v5.2 ? 🙂

I have v1.0 somewhere heh

Dan.


*From:* Simh  on behalf of John H. 
Reinhardt 

*Sent:* March 12, 2020 11:10 PM
*To:* simh@trailing-edge.com 
*Subject:* Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist 
licenses

On 3/12/2020 8:11 AM, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in 301 and 
does not contain the hobbyist number.


I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0 or 4.4 
as a long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO 
available somewhere? I started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on 
a VAX 8200 and a MicroVAX II. It seems to me that the system was 
already pretty serviceable, aside from the need for third party 
extensions to get TCP/IP in place of DECNet.


Andy Hoffman did some work producing workable VAX/VMS V4.0, 4.4, 4.6 
and 4.7 images.  They are/were available here:



V4.7 ==> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipk28nb82dw0w1n/VAXVMS047A%20copy.zip?dl=0> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipk28nb82dw0w1n/VAXVMS047A%20copy.zip?dl=0>


V4.6 ==> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/oba932mlxgfs38p/VAXVMS046.zip?dl=0> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/oba932mlxgfs38p/VAXVMS046.zip?dl=0>


V4.4 ==> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mkj08lfu0x7som/VAXVMS044.zip?dl=0> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mkj08lfu0x7som/VAXVMS044.zip?dl=0>


V4.0 ==> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/iaf8b24qcrsz7mk/VAXVMS040.zip?dl=0> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/iaf8b24qcrsz7mk/VAXVMS040.zip?dl=0>





What is the earliest version of VMS available for the Alpha? Anyone know?


OpenVMS AXP V1.0  I thought there was a copy available at VAXhaven 
<https://vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive> 
<https://vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive> but I was mistaken.  The next 
best thing though is OpenVMS AXP V6.1 and OpenVMS Alpha V6.2 (Yes, the 
nomenclature did change and they skipped from V1 to V6 for Alpha/AXP 
to match OpenVMS VAX).



I seem to recall having seen an OpenVMS AXP V1.0 CD being on Ebay at 
some point but I never tried for a copy.




Gary, K9NZI


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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[John H. Reinhardt]

On 3/12/2020 10:46 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:

Nice!

You wouldn't happen to have v4.2 or v5.2 ? 🙂



Andy Hoffman has V4.2 except there is a VMS042MUP tape he needs because you 
can't install any layered products without the MUP. So if anyone has one pipe 
up and Andy can probably get a V4.2 release created.


Andy posted this on C.O.V 6/14/2019:

   Where are 4.2 and 4.3 you ask? I have been able to install 4.2, but I have 
been unable to find
   the mandatory update VMS042MUP. Without this you can't install any layered 
products, so I
   stopped at this point. Actually it was fun working on it because if you do 
an upgrade rather than
   a base install there is a section which updates the system console media. 
Fun and games
   remembering how to use Exchange and write a DEFBOO.CMD file!

   If anyone knows where I can get my digits on VMS042MUP and/or an LSE 
distribution for VMS 4
   please do get in touch.

   Best regards,

   Andy Hoffman

I haven't seen a V5.2 but on VAXHaven there is a V5.3 and V5.4-2 on the TK50 images 
page <https://vaxhaven.com/TK50_Image_Archive>

However, the V5 versions will require PAKS as the LMF was introduced with V5.0



I have v1.0 somewhere heh



From a message on 5-Nov-2019, Matt Burke has available VAX/VMS V1.0 9Track.net ==> 
<http://www.9track.net/bits/dec/vax/vms/BB-D782A-BE.zip>



Dan.

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On 3/12/2020 8:11 AM, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:

Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in 301 and does not 
contain the hobbyist number.

I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0 or 4.4 as a 
long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO available somewhere? I 
started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on a VAX 8200 and a MicroVAX II. It 
seems to me that the system was already pretty serviceable, aside from the need 
for third party extensions to get TCP/IP in place of DECNet.


Andy Hoffman did some work producing workable VAX/VMS V4.0, 4.4, 4.6 and 4.7 
images.  They are/were available here:


V4.7 ==> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipk28nb82dw0w1n/VAXVMS047A%20copy.zip?dl=0> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipk28nb82dw0w1n/VAXVMS047A%20copy.zip?dl=0>

V4.6 ==> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/oba932mlxgfs38p/VAXVMS046.zip?dl=0> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/oba932mlxgfs38p/VAXVMS046.zip?dl=0>

V4.4 ==> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mkj08lfu0x7som/VAXVMS044.zip?dl=0> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mkj08lfu0x7som/VAXVMS044.zip?dl=0>

V4.0 ==> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/iaf8b24qcrsz7mk/VAXVMS040.zip?dl=0> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/iaf8b24qcrsz7mk/VAXVMS040.zip?dl=0>




What is the earliest version of VMS available for the Alpha? Anyone know?


OpenVMS AXP V1.0  I thought there was a copy available at VAXhaven 
<https://vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive> <https://vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive> 
but I was mistaken.  The next best thing though is OpenVMS AXP V6.1 and OpenVMS Alpha V6.2 
(Yes, the nomenclature did change and they skipped from V1 to V6 for Alpha/AXP to match 
OpenVMS VAX).


I seem to recall having seen an OpenVMS AXP V1.0 CD being on Ebay at some point 
but I never tried for a copy.



Gary, K9NZI


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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Ray Jewhurst]

Yes, that is correct. It gives you support for some of 3100-series
MicroVAXen. I am not sure what else or anything that it offers.

Ray

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 9:26 AM Zane Healy  wrote:

> What exactly does 5.5-2H4 get you that isn’t in 5.5-2?  Is it more than
> just extra hardware support?
>
> Zane
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2020, at 5:17 AM, Ray Jewhurst  wrote:
>
> 5.5-2H4 still requires a  PAK and also I have never been able to get that
> specific image (from VAXHaven) to work but the TK50 version works fine.
>
> Ray
>
>
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[Zane Healy]

What exactly does 5.5-2H4 get you that isn’t in 5.5-2?  Is it more than just 
extra hardware support?

Zane



> On Mar 13, 2020, at 5:17 AM, Ray Jewhurst  wrote:
> 
> 5.5-2H4 still requires a  PAK and also I have never been able to get that 
> specific image (from VAXHaven) to work but the TK50 version works fine. 
> 
> Ray 

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[Ray Jewhurst]

5.5-2H4 still requires a  PAK and also I have never been able to get that
specific image (from VAXHaven) to work but the TK50 version works fine.

Ray

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 10:12 PM Supratim Sanyal  wrote:

>
> On 3/12/20 8:02 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>
> AG-PXL1A-RE VMS2H4055 OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2H4 BIN CD 1/1 1993 August
> AG-PXL1A-RE.iso.zip <http://vaxhaven.com/cd-image/AG-PXL1A-RE.iso.zip> (64
> Mb)
>
> From:  http://vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive
>
> and peruse the other one: http://mirrors.pdp-11.ru/_vax__/
>
> hmmm. remarkable. thanks.
>
>
> Dan
>
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> *From:* Supratim Sanyal  
> *Sent:* March 12, 2020 6:53 PM
> *To:* Dan Gahlinger  
> *Cc:* Alexander Schreiber  ;
> Gary Lee Phillips  ;
> simh@trailing-edge.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses
>
> https://archive.org/details/VMS5.52VAX
>
> I haven’t been able to find PAKs for it.
>
>
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>
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Dan Gahlinger  wrote:
>
>
> {redacted due to horrific font}
>
> Dan
> --
> *From:* Simh  on behalf of Alexander
> Schreiber 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:52:49 PM
> *To:* Gary Lee Phillips 
> *Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:11:01AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
> > Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in 301 and does
> > not contain the hobbyist number.
>
> Well, the authorization code pretty clearly states what this license is:
> the final hobbyist license, presumably minted in 2020-03-01.
>
> So, on the one hand, it is basically not a personalized license. On the
> other
> hand, it expires on 2022-01-01 and is the final license, no more after
> that.
>
> >
> > I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0 or 4.4 as a
>
> There seem to be OpenVMS 5.5.2 ISOs floating around somewhere.
>
> > long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO available
> > somewhere? I started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on a VAX 8200
> and a
> > MicroVAX II. It seems to me that the system was already pretty
> serviceable,
> > aside from the need for third party extensions to get TCP/IP in place of
> > DECNet.
> >
>
> Kind regards,
>   Alex.
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Dan Gahlinger]

Nice!

You wouldn't happen to have v4.2 or v5.2 ? 🙂

I have v1.0 somewhere heh

Dan.


From: Simh  on behalf of John H. Reinhardt 

Sent: March 12, 2020 11:10 PM
To: simh@trailing-edge.com 
Subject: Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

On 3/12/2020 8:11 AM, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in 301 and does not 
contain the hobbyist number.

I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0 or 4.4 as a 
long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO available somewhere? I 
started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on a VAX 8200 and a MicroVAX II. It 
seems to me that the system was already pretty serviceable, aside from the need 
for third party extensions to get TCP/IP in place of DECNet.

Andy Hoffman did some work producing workable VAX/VMS V4.0, 4.4, 4.6 and 4.7 
images.  They are/were available here:


V4.7 ==> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipk28nb82dw0w1n/VAXVMS047A%20copy.zip?dl=0><https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipk28nb82dw0w1n/VAXVMS047A%20copy.zip?dl=0>

V4.6 ==> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/oba932mlxgfs38p/VAXVMS046.zip?dl=0><https://www.dropbox.com/s/oba932mlxgfs38p/VAXVMS046.zip?dl=0>

V4.4 ==> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mkj08lfu0x7som/VAXVMS044.zip?dl=0><https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mkj08lfu0x7som/VAXVMS044.zip?dl=0>

V4.0 ==> 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/iaf8b24qcrsz7mk/VAXVMS040.zip?dl=0><https://www.dropbox.com/s/iaf8b24qcrsz7mk/VAXVMS040.zip?dl=0>




What is the earliest version of VMS available for the Alpha? Anyone know?

OpenVMS AXP V1.0  I thought there was a copy available at VAXhaven 
<https://vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive><https://vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive> 
but I was mistaken.  The next best thing though is OpenVMS AXP V6.1 and OpenVMS 
Alpha V6.2 (Yes, the nomenclature did change and they skipped from V1 to V6 for 
Alpha/AXP to match OpenVMS VAX).


I seem to recall having seen an OpenVMS AXP V1.0 CD being on Ebay at some point 
but I never tried for a copy.

Gary, K9NZI


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[John H. Reinhardt]

On 3/12/2020 8:11 AM, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:

Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in 301 and does not 
contain the hobbyist number.

I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0 or 4.4 as a 
long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO available somewhere? I 
started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on a VAX 8200 and a MicroVAX II. It 
seems to me that the system was already pretty serviceable, aside from the need 
for third party extensions to get TCP/IP in place of DECNet.


Andy Hoffman did some work producing workable VAX/VMS V4.0, 4.4, 4.6 and 4.7 
images.  They are/were available here:


V4.7 ==> 

V4.6 ==> 

V4.4 ==> 

V4.0 ==> 




What is the earliest version of VMS available for the Alpha? Anyone know?


OpenVMS AXP V1.0  I thought there was a copy available at VAXhaven 
 but I was mistaken.  The next best 
thing though is OpenVMS AXP V6.1 and OpenVMS Alpha V6.2 (Yes, the nomenclature did 
change and they skipped from V1 to V6 for Alpha/AXP to match OpenVMS VAX).


I seem to recall having seen an OpenVMS AXP V1.0 CD being on Ebay at some point 
but I never tried for a copy.



Gary, K9NZI


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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Supratim Sanyal]

On 3/12/20 8:02 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
AG-PXL1A-RE 	VMS2H4055 	OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2H4 BIN CD 1/1 	1993 August 
AG-PXL1A-RE.iso.zip 
<http://vaxhaven.com/cd-image/AG-PXL1A-RE.iso.zip>(64 Mb)



From: http://vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive

and peruse the other one: http://mirrors.pdp-11.ru/_vax__/


hmmm. remarkable. thanks.



Dan


*From:* Supratim Sanyal 
*Sent:* March 12, 2020 6:53 PM
*To:* Dan Gahlinger 
*Cc:* Alexander Schreiber ; Gary Lee Phillips 
; simh@trailing-edge.com 
*Subject:* Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist 
licenses

https://archive.org/details/VMS5.52VAX

I haven’t been able to find PAKs for it.


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On Mar 12, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Dan Gahlinger <mailto:dgahl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:




{redacted due to horrific font}

Dan

*From:* Simh <mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com>> on behalf of Alexander 
Schreiber mailto:a...@thangorodrim.ch>>

*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:52:49 PM
*To:* Gary Lee Phillips <mailto:tivo.ov...@gmail.com>>
*Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com> 
mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist 
licenses

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:11:01AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
> Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in 301 and 
does

> not contain the hobbyist number.

Well, the authorization code pretty clearly states what this license is:
the final hobbyist license, presumably minted in 2020-03-01.

So, on the one hand, it is basically not a personalized license. On 
the other
hand, it expires on 2022-01-01 and is the final license, no more 
after that.


>
> I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0 or 4.4 
as a


There seem to be OpenVMS 5.5.2 ISOs floating around somewhere.

> long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO available
> somewhere? I started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on a VAX 
8200 and a
> MicroVAX II. It seems to me that the system was already pretty 
serviceable,
> aside from the need for third party extensions to get TCP/IP in 
place of

> DECNet.
>

Kind regards,
  Alex.
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overalls and
 looks like work."  -- Thomas A. 
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Dan Gahlinger]

AG-PXL1A-RE VMS2H4055   OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2H4 BIN CD 1/1 1993 August 
AG-PXL1A-RE.iso.zip<http://vaxhaven.com/cd-image/AG-PXL1A-RE.iso.zip> (64 Mb)

From:  http://vaxhaven.com/CD_Image_Archive

and peruse the other one: http://mirrors.pdp-11.ru/_vax__/

Dan


From: Supratim Sanyal 
Sent: March 12, 2020 6:53 PM
To: Dan Gahlinger 
Cc: Alexander Schreiber ; Gary Lee Phillips 
; simh@trailing-edge.com 
Subject: Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

https://archive.org/details/VMS5.52VAX

I haven’t been able to find PAKs for it.


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On Mar 12, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Dan Gahlinger 
mailto:dgahl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


{redacted due to horrific font}

Dan

From: Simh 
mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com>> on 
behalf of Alexander Schreiber 
mailto:a...@thangorodrim.ch>>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:52:49 PM
To: Gary Lee Phillips mailto:tivo.ov...@gmail.com>>
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com<mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com> 
mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>>
Subject: Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:11:01AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
> Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in 301 and does
> not contain the hobbyist number.

Well, the authorization code pretty clearly states what this license is:
the final hobbyist license, presumably minted in 2020-03-01.

So, on the one hand, it is basically not a personalized license. On the other
hand, it expires on 2022-01-01 and is the final license, no more after that.

>
> I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0 or 4.4 as a

There seem to be OpenVMS 5.5.2 ISOs floating around somewhere.

> long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO available
> somewhere? I started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on a VAX 8200 and a
> MicroVAX II. It seems to me that the system was already pretty serviceable,
> aside from the need for third party extensions to get TCP/IP in place of
> DECNet.
>

Kind regards,
  Alex.
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Supratim Sanyal]

https://archive.org/details/VMS5.52VAX

I haven’t been able to find PAKs for it.


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> On Mar 12, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Dan Gahlinger  wrote:
> 
> I've seen v5.5 online, I think on one of the official archive sites.
> don't have the url handy though.
> 
> i have v5.0 vax original cd set but don't know the legalities of sharing it 
> 
> Dan
>  
> From: Simh  on behalf of Alexander Schreiber 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:52:49 PM
> To: Gary Lee Phillips 
> Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com 
> Subject: Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses
>  
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:11:01AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
> > Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in 301 and does
> > not contain the hobbyist number.
> 
> Well, the authorization code pretty clearly states what this license is:
> the final hobbyist license, presumably minted in 2020-03-01.
> 
> So, on the one hand, it is basically not a personalized license. On the other
> hand, it expires on 2022-01-01 and is the final license, no more after that.
> 
> > 
> > I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0 or 4.4 as a
> 
> There seem to be OpenVMS 5.5.2 ISOs floating around somewhere.
> 
> > long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO available
> > somewhere? I started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on a VAX 8200 and a
> > MicroVAX II. It seems to me that the system was already pretty serviceable,
> > aside from the need for third party extensions to get TCP/IP in place of
> > DECNet.
> > 
> 
> Kind regards,
>   Alex.
> -- 
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>  looks like work."  -- Thomas A. Edison
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[Dan Gahlinger]

I've seen v5.5 online, I think on one of the official archive sites.
don't have the url handy though.

i have v5.0 vax original cd set but don't know the legalities of sharing it

Dan

From: Simh  on behalf of Alexander Schreiber 

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:52:49 PM
To: Gary Lee Phillips 
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com 
Subject: Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:11:01AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
> Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in 301 and does
> not contain the hobbyist number.

Well, the authorization code pretty clearly states what this license is:
the final hobbyist license, presumably minted in 2020-03-01.

So, on the one hand, it is basically not a personalized license. On the other
hand, it expires on 2022-01-01 and is the final license, no more after that.

>
> I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0 or 4.4 as a

There seem to be OpenVMS 5.5.2 ISOs floating around somewhere.

> long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO available
> somewhere? I started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on a VAX 8200 and a
> MicroVAX II. It seems to me that the system was already pretty serviceable,
> aside from the need for third party extensions to get TCP/IP in place of
> DECNet.
>

Kind regards,
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Alexander Schreiber]

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:11:01AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:
> Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in 301 and does
> not contain the hobbyist number.

Well, the authorization code pretty clearly states what this license is:
the final hobbyist license, presumably minted in 2020-03-01.

So, on the one hand, it is basically not a personalized license. On the other
hand, it expires on 2022-01-01 and is the final license, no more after that.

> 
> I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0 or 4.4 as a

There seem to be OpenVMS 5.5.2 ISOs floating around somewhere.

> long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO available
> somewhere? I started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on a VAX 8200 and a
> MicroVAX II. It seems to me that the system was already pretty serviceable,
> aside from the need for third party extensions to get TCP/IP in place of
> DECNet.
> 

Kind regards,
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[Hunter Goatley]

On 3/12/2020 8:11 AM, Gary Lee Phillips wrote:

What is the earliest version of VMS available for the Alpha? Anyone know?


6.2. There was OpenVMS Alpha V1.5, but it wasn't a full release, if 
memory serves. V6.2 was the first fully-functional release. That's the 
first version for which we supported our software (TCPware, MultiNet, etc).


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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Gary Lee Phillips]

Yes, just received mine from Hari. And yes, the key ends in 301 and does
not contain the hobbyist number.

I'm curious about the possibility of backing down to VMS 5.0 or 4.4 as a
long-term solution. Are there installation files or ISO available
somewhere? I started with VMS back in the 80s using 4.4 on a VAX 8200 and a
MicroVAX II. It seems to me that the system was already pretty serviceable,
aside from the need for third party extensions to get TCP/IP in place of
DECNet.

What is the earliest version of VMS available for the Alpha? Anyone know?

Gary, K9NZI
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Jason Stevens]

I have an archive of the original Quasijarus site here:

https://ifctfvax.superglobalmegacorp.com/

I didn’t prune it, so all the files and whatnot are in there.   If this isn’t 
too far off topic.

But maybe something SIMH’ that maybe needs to be absorbed, I found this SUN-2 
emulator a few weeks ago:
https://github.com/lisper/emulator-sun-2

It’s not TME, and it’s basically just enough hardware to boot SunOS 2… Might be 
something to look at.

From: Bob Eager
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 5:45 PM
To: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

If it's of interest to anyone (and I appreciate you are mostly VMS
folks, as indeed am I some of the time) I did put up some stuff for
installing a late fork of 4.3BSD (which qualifies as vintage UNIX). 

 http://www.tavi.co.uk/unixhistory/quasijarus.html

And if you have an 11/03, 11/20 or similar, there's Mini-UNIX.

 http://www.tavi.co.uk/unixhistory/mini-unix.html

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 22:27:55 -0400
Michael Kerpan  wrote:

> Currently, after the current hobby license expire, your options are to
> either become a pirate or to learn to love vintage Unix. Of course
> this is almost two years in the future: things could end up changing
> in that time.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 PM Michael Huff  wrote:
> 
> > To be clear: this license expires in Dec 2021? What are the options
> > for simh users after that?
> > On 3/11/2020 5:13 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> >
> > my hobbyist id is not in the pack.
> >
> > there is no renewal, this is a final license, after this, vms for
> > hobbyists is officially defunct.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Try: https://www.grammarly.com
> > --
> > *From:* Tony Nicholson 
> > 
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:07:56 PM
> > *To:* Dan Gahlinger  
> > *Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com 
> > 
> > *Subject:* Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist
> > licenses
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:49, Dan Gahlinger 
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for
> > everyone,
> > or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for tracing
> > purposes.
> >
> > mine ends in 301.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hari from the HPE OpenVMS customer lab is the administrator of the
> > hobbyist program.  He once told me that he maintains the program
> > only out-of-hours and in his own time.  Without his efforts the
> > programme may have ended sooner.
> >
> > Be sure to thank him when you renew.
> >
> > The email you receive with the PAKs should have your Hobbyist ID on
> > it. These are tracked.  The final PAKs look like the authorization
> > code is a date to me (pakgened on  March 1st).
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > --
> > Tony Nicholson 
> >
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Michael Huff]

As luck would have it I was reading your guide fairly recently. I'm 
probably the exception on this list; my main interest in simh is for the 
occasional "wild hairs" I get to see how far I can get the old BSDs 
running.


Thank you for putting that up!

On 3/12/2020 1:44 AM, Bob Eager wrote:

If it's of interest to anyone (and I appreciate you are mostly VMS
folks, as indeed am I some of the time) I did put up some stuff for
installing a late fork of 4.3BSD (which qualifies as vintage UNIX).

  http://www.tavi.co.uk/unixhistory/quasijarus.html

And if you have an 11/03, 11/20 or similar, there's Mini-UNIX.

  http://www.tavi.co.uk/unixhistory/mini-unix.html

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 22:27:55 -0400
Michael Kerpan  wrote:


Currently, after the current hobby license expire, your options are to
either become a pirate or to learn to love vintage Unix. Of course
this is almost two years in the future: things could end up changing
in that time.

Mike

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 PM Michael Huff  wrote:


To be clear: this license expires in Dec 2021? What are the options
for simh users after that?
On 3/11/2020 5:13 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:

my hobbyist id is not in the pack.

there is no renewal, this is a final license, after this, vms for
hobbyists is officially defunct.

Dan

Try: https://www.grammarly.com
--
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*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:07:56 PM
*To:* Dan Gahlinger  
*Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com 

*Subject:* Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist
licenses


On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:49, Dan Gahlinger 
wrote:

I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for
everyone,
or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for tracing
purposes.

mine ends in 301.



Hari from the HPE OpenVMS customer lab is the administrator of the
hobbyist program.  He once told me that he maintains the program
only out-of-hours and in his own time.  Without his efforts the
programme may have ended sooner.

Be sure to thank him when you renew.

The email you receive with the PAKs should have your Hobbyist ID on
it. These are tracked.  The final PAKs look like the authorization
code is a date to me (pakgened on  March 1st).

Tony

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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Bob Eager]

If it's of interest to anyone (and I appreciate you are mostly VMS
folks, as indeed am I some of the time) I did put up some stuff for
installing a late fork of 4.3BSD (which qualifies as vintage UNIX). 

 http://www.tavi.co.uk/unixhistory/quasijarus.html

And if you have an 11/03, 11/20 or similar, there's Mini-UNIX.

 http://www.tavi.co.uk/unixhistory/mini-unix.html

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 22:27:55 -0400
Michael Kerpan  wrote:

> Currently, after the current hobby license expire, your options are to
> either become a pirate or to learn to love vintage Unix. Of course
> this is almost two years in the future: things could end up changing
> in that time.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 PM Michael Huff  wrote:
> 
> > To be clear: this license expires in Dec 2021? What are the options
> > for simh users after that?
> > On 3/11/2020 5:13 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> >
> > my hobbyist id is not in the pack.
> >
> > there is no renewal, this is a final license, after this, vms for
> > hobbyists is officially defunct.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Try: https://www.grammarly.com
> > --
> > *From:* Tony Nicholson 
> > 
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:07:56 PM
> > *To:* Dan Gahlinger  
> > *Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com 
> > 
> > *Subject:* Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist
> > licenses
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:49, Dan Gahlinger 
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for
> > everyone,
> > or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for tracing
> > purposes.
> >
> > mine ends in 301.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hari from the HPE OpenVMS customer lab is the administrator of the
> > hobbyist program.  He once told me that he maintains the program
> > only out-of-hours and in his own time.  Without his efforts the
> > programme may have ended sooner.
> >
> > Be sure to thank him when you renew.
> >
> > The email you receive with the PAKs should have your Hobbyist ID on
> > it. These are tracked.  The final PAKs look like the authorization
> > code is a date to me (pakgened on  March 1st).
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > --
> > Tony Nicholson 
> >
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Dan Gahlinger]

There are Five Options I can see:

  1.  buy a commercial license from somewhere ($$$), I haven't seen any on ebay 
in a long time, but it might be an option, or a member here, etc
  2.  Use a commercial license you purchased in the past that doesn't expire (I 
have a few of these, and will be what I will do)
  3.  Use a version of VMS prior to the requirement for a termination date on 
the licenses (v5 and previous I think)
  4.  continue to use it despite the termination date and violate copyright 
(not good and not recommended!)
  5.  Roll the system clock back to a year which the months align the same, but 
gives you time to use it, keep rolling back as needed (pretty much the same as 
#4)

Dan.


From: Simh  on behalf of Michael Kerpan 

Sent: March 11, 2020 10:27 PM
To: Michael Huff 
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com 
Subject: Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

Currently, after the current hobby license expire, your options are to either 
become a pirate or to learn to love vintage Unix. Of course this is almost two 
years in the future: things could end up changing in that time.

Mike

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 PM Michael Huff 
mailto:mph...@gmail.com>> wrote:

To be clear: this license expires in Dec 2021? What are the options for simh 
users after that?

On 3/11/2020 5:13 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
my hobbyist id is not in the pack.

there is no renewal, this is a final license, after this, vms for hobbyists is 
officially defunct.

Dan

Try: https://www.grammarly.com

From: Tony Nicholson 
<mailto:tony.nichol...@computer.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:07:56 PM
To: Dan Gahlinger <mailto:dgahl...@hotmail.com>
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com<mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com> 
<mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>
Subject: Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses


On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:49, Dan Gahlinger 
mailto:dgahl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for everyone,
or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for tracing purposes.

mine ends in 301.


Hari from the HPE OpenVMS customer lab is the administrator of the hobbyist 
program.  He once told me that he maintains the program only out-of-hours and 
in his own time.  Without his efforts the programme may have ended sooner.

Be sure to thank him when you renew.

The email you receive with the PAKs should have your Hobbyist ID on it. These 
are tracked.  The final PAKs look like the authorization code is a date to me 
(pakgened on  March 1st).

Tony

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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Michael Kerpan]

Currently, after the current hobby license expire, your options are to
either become a pirate or to learn to love vintage Unix. Of course this is
almost two years in the future: things could end up changing in that time.

Mike

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 PM Michael Huff  wrote:

> To be clear: this license expires in Dec 2021? What are the options for
> simh users after that?
> On 3/11/2020 5:13 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>
> my hobbyist id is not in the pack.
>
> there is no renewal, this is a final license, after this, vms for
> hobbyists is officially defunct.
>
> Dan
>
> Try: https://www.grammarly.com
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> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:07:56 PM
> *To:* Dan Gahlinger  
> *Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:49, Dan Gahlinger  wrote:
>
> I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for
> everyone,
> or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for tracing
> purposes.
>
> mine ends in 301.
>
>
>
> Hari from the HPE OpenVMS customer lab is the administrator of the
> hobbyist program.  He once told me that he maintains the program only
> out-of-hours and in his own time.  Without his efforts the programme may
> have ended sooner.
>
> Be sure to thank him when you renew.
>
> The email you receive with the PAKs should have your Hobbyist ID on it.
> These are tracked.  The final PAKs look like the authorization code is a
> date to me (pakgened on  March 1st).
>
> Tony
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Michael Huff]

To be clear: this license expires in Dec 2021? What are the options for 
simh users after that?


On 3/11/2020 5:13 PM, Dan Gahlinger wrote:

my hobbyist id is not in the pack.

there is no renewal, this is a final license, after this, vms for 
hobbyists is officially defunct.


Dan

Try: https://www.grammarly.com

*From:* Tony Nicholson 
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:07:56 PM
*To:* Dan Gahlinger 
*Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com 
*Subject:* Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist 
licenses


On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:49, Dan Gahlinger <mailto:dgahl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for
everyone,
or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for
tracing purposes.

mine ends in 301.



Hari from the HPE OpenVMS customer lab is the administrator of the 
hobbyist program.  He once told me that he maintains the program only 
out-of-hours and in his own time.  Without his efforts the programme 
may have ended sooner.


Be sure to thank him when you renew.

The email you receive with the PAKs should have your Hobbyist ID on 
it. These are tracked.  The final PAKs look like the authorization 
code is a date to me (pakgened on  March 1st).


Tony

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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Paula Ash]

Yup.  Got mine too and it also ends in the same digits.  And thank him for me.

Still, this is a bit of a sad thing to do.  I guess I should be
looking at NetBSD for a MicroVAX I have.



On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 6:13 PM Dan Gahlinger  wrote:
>
> my hobbyist id is not in the pack.
>
> there is no renewal, this is a final license, after this, vms for hobbyists 
> is officially defunct.
>
> Dan
>
> Try: https://www.grammarly.com
> 
> From: Tony Nicholson 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:07:56 PM
> To: Dan Gahlinger 
> Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com 
> Subject: Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:49, Dan Gahlinger  wrote:
>
> I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for everyone,
> or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for tracing purposes.
>
> mine ends in 301.
>
>
>
> Hari from the HPE OpenVMS customer lab is the administrator of the hobbyist 
> program.  He once told me that he maintains the program only out-of-hours and 
> in his own time.  Without his efforts the programme may have ended sooner.
>
> Be sure to thank him when you renew.
>
> The email you receive with the PAKs should have your Hobbyist ID on it. These 
> are tracked.  The final PAKs look like the authorization code is a date to me 
> (pakgened on  March 1st).
>
> Tony
>
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Dan Gahlinger]

my hobbyist id is not in the pack.

there is no renewal, this is a final license, after this, vms for hobbyists is 
officially defunct.

Dan

Try: https://www.grammarly.com

From: Tony Nicholson 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:07:56 PM
To: Dan Gahlinger 
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com 
Subject: Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses


On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:49, Dan Gahlinger 
mailto:dgahl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for everyone,
or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for tracing purposes.

mine ends in 301.


Hari from the HPE OpenVMS customer lab is the administrator of the hobbyist 
program.  He once told me that he maintains the program only out-of-hours and 
in his own time.  Without his efforts the programme may have ended sooner.

Be sure to thank him when you renew.

The email you receive with the PAKs should have your Hobbyist ID on it. These 
are tracked.  The final PAKs look like the authorization code is a date to me 
(pakgened on  March 1st).

Tony

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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Tony Nicholson]

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 09:49, Dan Gahlinger  wrote:

> I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for
> everyone,
> or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for tracing
> purposes.
>
> mine ends in 301.
>


Hari from the HPE OpenVMS customer lab is the administrator of the hobbyist
program.  He once told me that he maintains the program only out-of-hours
and in his own time.  Without his efforts the programme may have ended
sooner.

Be sure to thank him when you renew.

The email you receive with the PAKs should have your Hobbyist ID on it.
These are tracked.  The final PAKs look like the authorization code is a
date to me (pakgened on  March 1st).

Tony

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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Anthony Eros]

Same here...

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 8:20 PM Lyle Bickley 
wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 00:08:18 +0100
> Ludwig TAUER  wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:49:34 CET Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> > > I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for
> > > everyone, or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for
> > > tracing purposes.
> > >
> > > mine ends in 301.
>
> Mine, too.
>
> Lyle
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Lyle Bickley]

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 00:08:18 +0100
Ludwig TAUER  wrote:

> On Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:49:34 CET Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> > I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for
> > everyone, or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for
> > tracing purposes.
> > 
> > mine ends in 301.

Mine, too.

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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Ludwig TAUER]

On Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:49:34 CET Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for
> everyone, or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for
> tracing purposes.
> 
> mine ends in 301.
> 
> Dan.
> 

mine also

Ludwig



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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Dan Gahlinger]

I'd like to know if the License authorization code is the same for everyone,
or if they actually bothered to send everyone their own, for tracing purposes.

mine ends in 301.

Dan.


From: Kevin Handy 
Sent: March 11, 2020 6:29 PM
To: Dan Gahlinger 
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com 
Subject: Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

I remember trying to find pricing for a tcpip/ucx license for a MicroVax 3100 
shortly after Compaq bought out EC. After three days of phone tag, and frequent 
"Which version of Windows doed VMS run on", I finally managed to get someone 
who left a quote on my answering machine.

$3000 per user.

I tried calling back to find out more info about this quote the next day using 
the provided phone number, but was told that that individual no longer worked 
there, and they had no idea what this VMS thing was.

Could never find any path to the VMS people after that. Ended up hacking 
something less useful using a variety of hacks, mostly involving ckermit and a 
serial line. Not as fast or reliable as it could have been.


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:13 PM Dan Gahlinger 
mailto:dgahl...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
check your emails and spam folders.

final license will expire in 2021.

That's all folks

Dan
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Re: [Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Kevin Handy]

I remember trying to find pricing for a tcpip/ucx license for a MicroVax
3100 shortly after Compaq bought out EC. After three days of phone tag, and
frequent "Which version of Windows doed VMS run on", I finally managed to
get someone who left a quote on my answering machine.

$3000 per user.

I tried calling back to find out more info about this quote the next day
using the provided phone number, but was told that that individual no
longer worked there, and they had no idea what this VMS thing was.

Could never find any path to the VMS people after that. Ended up hacking
something less useful using a variety of hacks, mostly involving ckermit
and a serial line. Not as fast or reliable as it could have been.


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:13 PM Dan Gahlinger  wrote:

> check your emails and spam folders.
>
> final license will expire in 2021.
>
> That's all folks
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[Simh] HPE has started emailing the final hobbyist licenses

[Dan Gahlinger]

check your emails and spam folders.

final license will expire in 2021.

That's all folks

Dan
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