Re: [SLUG] printcap settings and Windows printer

[chesty]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 07:18:42AM +, Subba Rao wrote:
> I have installed a HP Deskjet printer on a Windows boxen which is networked
> to the Linux box. Currently my samba settings do allow Linux disk shares to be
> accessed from Windows.

I'm a bit confused about what you are trying to do.
Are you trying to print from linux, to a printer shared 
by a windows box?

I don't think your samba settings is relevant for printing
to windows from linux. 

> /etc/printcap
> ===

You're missing the :if line, which is basically a wrapper to smbclient.


> /etc/hosts.lpd
> ===

This isn't relevant either, this lets the windows box use
a printer connected to your linux box, and I don't think
its needed at all for smb.

Have a look at the docs, man pages, etc, for smbclient and
do a few test prints using smbclient, if you like.

But I used printtool to set /etc/printcap up for me, it only 
took a few minutes, and there's no need to RTFM either :)

Thanks to the good folks at debian. And redhat gets a small
thanks as well :)

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Re: [SLUG] Regeneration Problem Fixed

[Anand Kumria]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 05:04:57PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > 
> > Looks like this happened after the regeneration early this morning - it was
> > working great last night! :)
> 
> 
> Working fine now. It was more the unspecified path (to the URL list files)
> issue, as the Debian package is set up correctly. So yes, even with the best
> help in the world, you can still stuff things up royally. :)

remove_default_doc is probably an option you want to investigate a bit
more. Basically you set it to nothing and then include index.html in the
exlude.url -- I've done this on slug but may have broken the indexes in
the meantime.

Anand


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Re: [SLUG] win4lin

[clarkj]

On 25 Sep, 2000 - 16:26:11, Bill Hiley wrote:
> For those of us poor souls who (occasionally of course) have to run a
> Windows program - does anyone have any experience with 'Win4Lin' and can
> offer any comparison with other products eg. Vmware, Wine etc
> 
I have been using Win4Lin for a few months now, and since getting it,
I have not had to boot into windows at all - it is a _great_ product.
It uses a lot less resources than the VMWare solution, and if you
only require windows to be compatible with office productivity
software (MS Office, Quicken/Quickbooks, etc), then I would say
it is the ideal solution. It is stable, it uses Linux OS resources,
filesystems, and integrates very well with Linux.

Currently, Win4Lin will not help you if you want Sound or DirectX
support (v2.0, now in Beta testing, solves the sound support issue
however).

At around $80, it is an absolute bargain.

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[SLUG] Daemons, RH, from Security Portal

[Terry Collins]

This may be of interest/use to some newer linux users.
It talks about all the daemons your new system runs and their role.


*** What's New With SecurityPortal ***
Killing Daemons!

If you install most Linux distributions, including Red Hat 6.x in the
"Server" configuration, you'll find a number of optional system
"daemons"
running. Given the normal path of discovery of security vulnerabilities
,
one or more of these (totally optional) programs might have a bug that
attackers can exploit to get root access. The problem is this: most
system
administrators don't know what all those programs on their systems do !
This
article attempts to clear up the confusion, by describing the purpose of
each of the running daemons on a Red Hat 6.1/6.x "Server" box and often
giving suggestions for deactivation. While this article is a "must-read"
for
every Red Hat/Mandrake system administrator, executives should find this
article useful as well, to get a general understanding and to help set a
security policy.

Read the full story here:
http://securityportal.com/cover/coverstory2925.html


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[SLUG] Rejecting mail under sendmail

[Terry Collins]

Has anyone use the sendmail facility to reject mail from spamming or
bombing sites?

In my O'Reilly's Sendmail book (2nd edition) book, I'm talking about
page 295.

Basically, I understand creating the list, hashing the database and
editing sendmail.cf to put in the K line, but what the heck are they
talking about on page 296?

I gather you write some script, but what do you do with it?
And why is every script called checkcompat()?


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[SLUG] Is CDDB.COM useful

[Terry Collins]

Has anyone found cddb.com useful.

After using various CD players under various distros over the years, I
can not actually remember it actually providing the playlist on a Cd for
me. I seem to be forever entering details of my CDs.

Is there an Australian host for the list BTW?

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Re: [SLUG] Is CDDB.COM useful

[Dean Hamstead]

theres freedb.org or something to that effect
like the "open" equivalent. I tend to get about
50 50 on hits and misses. Depends on the CD.
Top 40 and popular stuff tends to be more likely
than obscure or compilations. I guess its a matter
of distribution.

Dean

Terry Collins wrote:
> 
> Has anyone found cddb.com useful.
> 
> After using various CD players under various distros over the years, I
> can not actually remember it actually providing the playlist on a Cd for
> me. I seem to be forever entering details of my CDs.
> 
> Is there an Australian host for the list BTW?
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Re: [SLUG] Is CDDB.COM useful

[Thom May]

CDDB rocks ;-)
Grip, XMMS, and FreeAMP all use it, and 99% of the time the CD
is in there and it just works.
It's damn cool
thom
At some point around Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 07:58:07PM +1100, Terry Collins spaketh 
thusly:
> Has anyone found cddb.com useful.
> 
> After using various CD players under various distros over the years, I
> can not actually remember it actually providing the playlist on a Cd for
> me. I seem to be forever entering details of my CDs.
> 
> Is there an Australian host for the list BTW?
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Is CDDB.COM useful

[Terry Collins]

Dean Hamstead wrote:
> 
> theres freedb.org or something to that effect
> like the "open" equivalent. I tend to get about
> 50 50 on hits and misses. Depends on the CD.
> Top 40 and popular stuff tends to be more likely
> than obscure or compilations. I guess its a matter
> of distribution.

Thanks Dean

After reading this on Freedb.org
..
As Escient has been changed the terms of licence for accessing CDDB,
some programmers
complained that the new licence includes certain terms that threatens
them in a way they cannot
accept: If you want to access CDDB, you are not allowed to access any
other CDDB-like database
(this one, for example) and - while accessing the database - the
programmer has to ensure, that a
CDDB-logo is displayed (Funny sidenote: One programmer told me, that his
cd-player will be banned
if he is refusing to display the CDDB-logo. His software is a
console-based program (it does not
produce any graphical output) for blind people...). 

Always being able to choose is one of the advantages of the internet. If
Escient forbids the use of other
sources now, you can easily think of things coming next... 

Furthermore, many people submitted the information without charging
anybody and they thought their
help would remain free, because the initital license was GPL (see:
www.gnu.org for more information on
GPL). 


I won't be bothering with CDDB again.

Hmm, some of those Oz folk/bush lists came from me over the years.

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RE: [SLUG] Is CDDB.COM useful

[Dave Kempe]

> me. I seem to be forever entering details of my CDs.

/me checks terry's music taste :P

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Re: [SLUG] Is CDDB.COM useful

[James Wilkinson]

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Terry Collins generated:

>After using various CD players under various distros over the years, I
>can not actually remember it actually providing the playlist on a Cd for
>me. I seem to be forever entering details of my CDs.

I use it with abcde for encoding my cds for my mp3stereo.  So far I've
only had to enter the details for my more obscure cds put out by bands
at their gigs.  according to the config, it's using
http://cddb.cddb.com/~cddb/cddb.cgi

Maybe you just have some incredibly obscure cds? :)

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Re: [SLUG] Understanding mail headers....

[marty]

> >unfortunately a lot of good stuff is BCC'd... correct me if i'm wrong but
> >a lot of mailing lists use BCC to hide all the recipients and your email
> >is almost never in the To or CC
> 
> Well strictly speaking you don't know if it's Bcc'ed since cc implies
> there is a primary recipient. But it's almost always the case that the
> spam victim's address doesn't appear in the To: or Cc: line, just in the
> envelope address. You just have to make sure not to filter out mailing
> list traffic too.

is the difference between an email being a 'BCC' or 'envelope only' in
just the concept and not the execution ??

later
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Re: [SLUG] Is CDDB.COM useful

[Terry Collins]

James Wilkinson wrote:

> 
> I use it with abcde for encoding my cds for my mp3stereo. 

I would also be interested in rec's for cd players (gui) Kscd is giving
me the pip with it's segfaulting if it boots up with a CD in the tray. 


> Maybe you just have some incredibly obscure cds? :)

Well, I only have one of those (they nealy died of shock when an old
fogey (relatively speaking) brought it.

It was when I upgraded (???) to Suse 6.4 and forgot to save my CDDB
stuff that I realised the CDDB wasn't giving me information back and I
started to wonder. 

It is the prospect of reentering the classical collection that is very
daunting.


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[SLUG] Modems, Ozemail or Something else causing timeouts.

[Terry Collins]

Has the internet fallen for the fallicty that most people have
cable/xdsl and adjusted timings to drop modem users?

Or is this a sign that server loads are increasing on some popular linux
servers?


I've noticed a falling off of successfull WWW viewing/ftping over the
last six months. Particularly galling has been the repeated failure of
freshmeat, sourceforge, themes, etc. Having to let wget run for a week
with repeated restarts isn't exactly encouraging

Normally, mtr will tell me where a faulty boxen in the chain is, but it
too is only finding  very intermittent failures. Everything shows up as
okay.

I mention ozemail only because they have had problem boxen in the chain
before.

So, I'm curious if anyone else is noticing this effect and would be
interested in hearing from modem dial-in/permanent link users.


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Re: [SLUG] Modems, Ozemail or Something else causing timeouts.

[Dean Hamstead]

Things seem to be very very slow
I think the olympics are somewhat to blame, 
and also i think maybe broadband onto a certain
backbone which was bad even before cable/dsl
which will remain nameless

Dean

Terry Collins wrote:
> 
> Has the internet fallen for the fallicty that most people have
> cable/xdsl and adjusted timings to drop modem users?
> 
> Or is this a sign that server loads are increasing on some popular linux
> servers?
> 
> I've noticed a falling off of successfull WWW viewing/ftping over the
> last six months. Particularly galling has been the repeated failure of
> freshmeat, sourceforge, themes, etc. Having to let wget run for a week
> with repeated restarts isn't exactly encouraging
> 
> Normally, mtr will tell me where a faulty boxen in the chain is, but it
> too is only finding  very intermittent failures. Everything shows up as
> okay.
> 
> I mention ozemail only because they have had problem boxen in the chain
> before.
> 
> So, I'm curious if anyone else is noticing this effect and would be
> interested in hearing from modem dial-in/permanent link users.
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Rejecting mail under sendmail

[Norman Widders]

no its not a script, its in c
the chapter you are actually reading is called...
checkcompat() 

you need to modify src/conf.c which is described on page 285 
of the batbook..

/Torqumada


On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Terry Collins wrote:

> Has anyone use the sendmail facility to reject mail from spamming or
> bombing sites?
> 
> In my O'Reilly's Sendmail book (2nd edition) book, I'm talking about
> page 295.
> 
> Basically, I understand creating the list, hashing the database and
> editing sendmail.cf to put in the K line, but what the heck are they
> talking about on page 296?
> 
> I gather you write some script, but what do you do with it?
> And why is every script called checkcompat()?
> 
> 
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RE: [SLUG] win4lin

[Bernhard Lüder]

Hi,

I have just been playing with VMware Eval License and I found it realy easy
to install and doco was great as well. However, despite 700Mhz and 128MB, I
find the performance quite bad. Lots of jerkiness especially during disk
intensive operation. Maybe it's not quite correctly tweaked yet, but I will
have another go anyway.

However I also had a go at Win4Lin a while ago and found that quite easy to
install as well (except for the Kernel patch) and performance was definitely
better. However no networking at that stage (Is there networking support
now?).

Price for VMware is also high at US$299! ~A$550 and you also need your
windows license.

So you will need to consider what you want to do. If you are steering away
from MS you might be better off with WIN4LIN, but if you need full support
of Windows (perhaps even 2000 and NT, which supported by VM, but not yet by
WIN4LIN) go for VMware.

Evaluate them both. They let you download for free.

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> Subject: [SLUG] win4lin
>
>
> For those of us poor souls who (occasionally of course) have to run a
> Windows program - does anyone have any experience with
> 'Win4Lin' and can
> offer any comparison with other products eg. Vmware, Wine etc
>
> Thanks - Bill
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Re: [SLUG] Understanding mail headers....

[Ken Yap]

>is the difference between an email being a 'BCC' or 'envelope only' in
>just the concept and not the execution ??

Bcc can be implemented by changing the envelope address only. On some
MUAs like MH Bcc does more, it marks the copy prominently as a Bcc.
Given that most spam have To: lines which are totally bogus, I would say
there is no primary recipient in such cases. The spam victim *is* the
primary recipient.


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[SLUG] Is CDDB.COM useful

[gripz]

Couldn't be bothered quoting... but have you dried different CDROM
drives. Some read the ID's differently/badly and therefore won't lookup
properly. Take the same CD that won't lookup to a friends place and see if
it works.

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RE: [SLUG] win4lin

[Stephen Mills]

Maybe you havent tweaked your virtual machine. I think by default it selects
1/3 of your ram by default for the VM, although I could be very wrong.

Networking definately works, and 128 meg is bare minimum I'd consider
running VMware.

As for the jerkiness during intensive disk operation, make sure you have
loaded the VMware Display drivers which increase the refresh rate in X /
Windows in the VM by 300%. You can also try providing the VM with more RAM
to move. Might be an idea to watch the CPU Utilisation when your machine
slows to see what is causing it.

Hope this helps

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-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Lüder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:53 PM
To: 'Bill Hiley'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SLUG] win4lin

Hi,

I have just been playing with VMware Eval License and I found it realy easy
to install and doco was great as well. However, despite 700Mhz and 128MB, I
find the performance quite bad. Lots of jerkiness especially during disk
intensive operation. Maybe it's not quite correctly tweaked yet, but I will
have another go anyway.

However I also had a go at Win4Lin a while ago and found that quite easy to
install as well (except for the Kernel patch) and performance was definitely
better. However no networking at that stage (Is there networking support
now?).

Price for VMware is also high at US$299! ~A$550 and you also need your
windows license.

So you will need to consider what you want to do. If you are steering away
from MS you might be better off with WIN4LIN, but if you need full support
of Windows (perhaps even 2000 and NT, which supported by VM, but not yet by
WIN4LIN) go for VMware.

Evaluate them both. They let you download for free.

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RE: [SLUG] Rejecting mail under sendmail

[Richard Ames]

I tend to think the book is OBE (Overcome by Events) ... can't keep up with
the pace of change of the SW.

I think http://www.orbs.org/sendmail893.txt or the M4 equivalent is what I
am looking for... rejects the connection if the sender is a open relay or a
dialup sender.  I have tried to make it work but havn't got there yet

Richard.

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Terry Collins
> Sent: Monday, 25 September 2000 7:25
> To: Slug
> Subject: [SLUG] Rejecting mail under sendmail
>
>
> Has anyone use the sendmail facility to reject mail from spamming or
> bombing sites?
>
> In my O'Reilly's Sendmail book (2nd edition) book, I'm talking about
> page 295.




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RE: [SLUG] Daemons, RH, from Security Portal

[Jill Rowling]

Interestingly the author recommends deactivating kudzu after booting, then
reactivating it just before shutdown.
This is almost an example of where it could be done automatically in an
appropriate run level setting, although sticking it as an Snn in rc0.d would
almost guarantee that it never gets run (Knn get run first I believe)!
One might have to have two run levels, sounds messy.
I'd have thought it would be better to keep the daemon and just ensure that
it works properly...
What do others think? 

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This
article attempts to clear up the confusion, by describing the purpose of
each of the running daemons on a Red Hat 6.1/6.x "Server" box and often
giving suggestions for deactivation. 

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Re: [SLUG] Daemons, RH, from Security Portal

[Arthur Barton]

> Interestingly the author recommends deactivating kudzu after booting, then
> reactivating it just before shutdown.

Personally i think everything that isn't needed should be deactivated. If
you add hardware, start kudzu, if not, you never need it to run.
The same goes with every other service / daemon, if its not needed, i dont
start it, especially at boot. Everything can be stated manualy later if it
becomes necessary.

> This is almost an example of where it could be done automatically in an
> appropriate run level setting, although sticking it as an Snn in rc0.d
would
> almost guarantee that it never gets run (Knn get run first I believe)!

Wouldn't it be easier to de-activate it, so that it doesn't start?
:-)

> I'd have thought it would be better to keep the daemon and just ensure
that
> it works properly...

Very true. As long as it functions properly, there isn't much of a problem
with it running, it is simply a personal preference i have to disable
things.

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Re: [SLUG] Rejecting mail under sendmail

[Terry Collins]

Richard Ames wrote:
> 
> I tend to think the book is OBE (Overcome by Events) ... can't keep up with
> the pace of change of the SW.
> 
> I think http://www.orbs.org/sendmail893.txt or the M4 equivalent is what I
> am looking for... rejects the connection if the sender is a open relay or a
> dialup sender.  I have tried to make it work but havn't got there yet

Orbs and Mail-Relay are a pack of thugs and only used by morons without
a brain.

All these lists do is provide a list of places that cen be used by
spammers.

Their sole justification is a puritan morality that has faulty logic and
causes more damage than it prevents.

When I find out who the low life on the Slug list is that forwarded my
address to these lists, you and any company you work for will be open
season. Yes folks, there are people on the Slug list who are not here to
help other people.

Most of the spam I receive now comes from people subscribed to these
lists. So that is why I need to run my own blacklist.

The first relayer I ever had was from mail-relay itself. The message
they list was the first spam message sent through my box.

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Re: [SLUG] Daemons, RH, from Security Portal

[Umar Goldeli]

> > I'd have thought it would be better to keep the daemon and just ensure
> that
> > it works properly...
> 
> Very true. As long as it functions properly, there isn't much of a problem
> with it running, it is simply a personal preference i have to disable
> things.

Actually - your "personal preference" will dramatically increase your
system's security. :)

Any daemon that isn't started is one less that could have been otherwise
exploited.

In short - if you don't *desperately* need it, trash it.


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Re: [SLUG] win4lin (vs VMware)

[Peter Rundle]

> despite 700Mhz and 128MB, I find the performance quite bad. 

I'm running VMWare on a 200MHz Pentium Pro with 128M of RAM at home. This
installation is just acceptable (the virtual Machine is running NT with 
Oracle and a CAD application). I used to run this app native on a Pentium
90Mhz 64Mb, and at a rough guess I'd say the 200Mhz virtual machine was 1.5 
to 2 times faster.

At work I have a 500Mhz PIII and 256Mb of RAM. Originally this machine also
only had 128mb and increasing the Ram to 256 made a huge difference. I can 
run two VM sessions on this box concurrently and it's quite acceptable. You 
absolutely must install the vmware-toolbox otherwise performance is crap. I
have also run VMware via an X-term (linux terminal server project) and the 
performance is fine (though initially I thought it was unusable until I got
the X-term's mouse configured correctly). Unfortunately VMware won't go into
full screen on a remote X-term.

I've installed the following OSes into a virtual machine, NT, 98, Redhat
(6.1,6.2,6.9), Mandrake 7.1. All worked fine. Whenever I'm trying something
that looks a bit sus, I install it into a virtual machine (usually make a
copy of the .dsk file first). This way if it craps my machine I just blow
the .dsk away and go back to the original. I installed the Linux Terminal
server stuff this way, (not that I don't trust you Ken :-), but it worked
just fine. I usually run my virtual machines via

 esddsp vmware /dir/to/config/machine.cfg

I this way you get sound in the virtual machine without locking your
sound device.

I also understand that if you have a dual boot environment, you can config
VMware to run the other OS from the actual disk rather than installing in 
a virtual disk, I've never tried this but sounds very interesting...

rgds

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RE: [SLUG] Daemons, RH, from Security Portal

[Jill Rowling]

Agreed, if you aren't actually using something it's not meaningful to switch
it on.
But isn't kudzu required (mandatory) for Plug 'n Pray or hot-pluggable (USB)
devices?

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-Original Message-
From: Umar Goldeli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2000 10:28
To: Arthur Barton
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Daemons, RH, from Security Portal


> > I'd have thought it would be better to keep the daemon and just ensure
> that
> > it works properly...
> 
> Very true. As long as it functions properly, there isn't much of a problem
> with it running, it is simply a personal preference i have to disable
> things.

Actually - your "personal preference" will dramatically increase your
system's security. :)

Any daemon that isn't started is one less that could have been otherwise
exploited.

In short - if you don't *desperately* need it, trash it.



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Re: [SLUG] win4lin (vs VMware)

[Jeff Waugh]

> Peter Rundle wrote:
> 
> I also understand that if you have a dual boot environment, you can config
> VMware to run the other OS from the actual disk rather than installing in 
> a virtual disk, I've never tried this but sounds very interesting...


I did this with the VMWare version 1 demo. Worked really nicely... It's kind
of like running a laptop with a dock - you have a hardware setup for running
Windows normally, and another for when you run it under VMWare. Forget what
these are called now, but they worked well enough. I think I had a PII and
64mb RAM at that stage... 128 works well, 256 is just to rub other's noses
in it. ;)

If you need to use Really Proper Windows, and want quick access sometimes,
this is great - and you can do way more cool stuff with VMWare because it
emulates an entire machine. Feel like trying HURD? EROS? One of the BSD's?
Go for it, and no fuss. :) Tinkerers will dig VMWare, people who have to Do
Serious Work and Don't Have Chunky Hardware will like Win4Lin.


I have to say though (in the interests of topic-correctness and such) that I
removed my Windows partitions over the weekend in the process of swapping
hard drives. I partitioned in such a way that installing Windows again would
be a PITA.

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[SLUG] stripped mail header [was] mutt - ..is not a mailbox

[Rob Shugg]

Further investigation has revealed that somewhere in my mail setup I am
losing my "From" line. After many hours I am at a loss as to where to look
from here. I have a sendmail hub which is accessed by fetchmail to postfix
on my workstation and then procmail sorts it for mutt to read. all the
setups are as minimal as I can get them. the mail is getting to
/var/log/mail/rob but looks like this:

Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from vortex.altsim.org
by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.3.8)
for rob@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:22:50 +1100
(EST)
Received: from zed3 ([203.37.111.44])
by vortex.altsim.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8OBHuU07545
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:17:56 +1100
Received: by zed3 (Postfix, from userid 500)
id 6659E14EDF; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:22:43 +1100 (EST)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: foo
Message-Id: <20001024102243.6659E14EDF@zed3>
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:22:43 +1100 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

bar.


The missing "From" line is stuffing up mutt of course.
Can you give me any ideas as to which program could be causing this and if
possible, a solution?

Rob Shugg


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Re: [SLUG] Rejecting mail under sendmail

[John Ferlito]

On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 10:27:51AM +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
> Richard Ames wrote:
> > 
> > I tend to think the book is OBE (Overcome by Events) ... can't keep up with
> > the pace of change of the SW.
> > 
> > I think http://www.orbs.org/sendmail893.txt or the M4 equivalent is what I
> > am looking for... rejects the connection if the sender is a open relay or a
> > dialup sender.  I have tried to make it work but havn't got there yet
> 
> Orbs and Mail-Relay are a pack of thugs and only used by morons without
> a brain.
> 
> All these lists do is provide a list of places that cen be used by
> spammers.

How? They don't provide lists for anyone. All you can do is checkk via
dns wether they think a host is an open relay. Something you could do yourself
albight slightly more slowly by connecting to the machine itself.

> 
> Their sole justification is a puritan morality that has faulty logic and
> causes more damage than it prevents.

I disagree. Orbs takes thngs a little bit too far and yes I don't like them 
either.
RBL on the other hand is a different matter. They will only list a mail sevrer if it 
is an open relay
ie it is open for abuse. They also send the admin a whole heap of emails saying please 
fix and here are instructions how.

The whole problem is of course that unless everyone uses rbl then it's pretty 
much a
waste of time.

> Most of the spam I receive now comes from people subscribed to these
> lists. So that is why I need to run my own blacklist.

That's fair enough, Anyway two easy solutions to this problem.

a) procmail
b) add email address to /etc/mail/access like this
[EMAIL PROTECTED] REJECT
well not quite like that :)
and in you're mc file you'll need 
FEATURE(access_db)

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[SLUG] Mozilla

[Heracles]

Has anyone had any experiences with the Mozilla browser. I checked
out M14 from the latest Debian distribution and it seemed very
unstable. It does have some features that I would like to have
available to me though. Are the newer releases (e.g.. M17) more
stable or is it still unusable?

Stay well and happy
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Re: [SLUG] Rejecting mail under sendmail

[Terry Collins]

John Ferlito wrote:

...snip

> I disagree. Orbs takes thngs a little bit too far and yes I don't like them 
>either.
> RBL on the other hand is a different matter. They will only list a mail sevrer if it 
>is an open relay
> ie it is open for abuse. They also send the admin a whole heap of emails saying 
>please fix and here are instructions how.

They say they send mail, but they do not send any mail! That is one of
my beefs.



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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Matthew Dalton]

Heracles wrote:
> 
> Has anyone had any experiences with the Mozilla browser. I checked
> out M14 from the latest Debian distribution and it seemed very
> unstable. It does have some features that I would like to have
> available to me though. Are the newer releases (e.g.. M17) more
> stable or is it still unusable?

M17 is in woody. I upgraded to it a few days ago on my potato box and it
seems pretty good so far. Give it a go.

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Re: [SLUG] win4lin

[Graeme Merrall]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:26:11PM +1100, Bill Hiley wrote:
> For those of us poor souls who (occasionally of course) have to run a
> Windows program - does anyone have any experience with 'Win4Lin' and can
> offer any comparison with other products eg. Vmware, Wine etc

I'm a hoppy user of Win4Lin. It is a bit of a drag with kernel patches and
that sort of thing. Last time I looked a win4lin-v1 2.2.17 patch was not
available.  It's good if all you want to do is run Win98 or Win95 for using
some apps - which is all I need it for.
VMware is good if you need yo utilise more heavy duty features of windows
of you need to emulate an entire machine or install another OS as Win4Lin
only does Windows9x. iI also found VMware quite sluggish on my machine.
Since I only need to use a few apps Win4Lin does me fine and it boots pretty
damn fast. Th eprice is better to.
My only problem with it is some wierd video problems but I can live with it.

Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Michael Lake]

Heracles wrote:
> 
> Has anyone had any experiences with the Mozilla browser. I checked
> out M14 from the latest Debian distribution and it seemed very
> unstable. It does have some features that I would like to have
> available to me though. Are the newer releases (e.g.. M17) more
> stable or is it still unusable?

I used the Mozila with Deb 2.2 on Alpha. Its the only app
that ever slowed down my Alpha!
Big, crashes, now removed till it is much much better.
Downloaded M17 and its still as bad.
Maybe very different situation on the Intel perhaps.

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Re: [SLUG] Rejecting mail under sendmail

[marty]

> They say they send mail, but they do not send any mail! That is one of
> my beefs.

if everything at your end is right (postmaster@ or abuse@ or correct info
in whois) then they claim to send you email (though they block first,
send email later)...

why were you blocked (ie. open relay or dial up or...) ?? are they still
blocking you ?? if not how long did it take to find out about the block
and get it fixed ??

later
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Re: [SLUG] Rejecting mail under sendmail

[John Ferlito]

On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 11:23:16AM +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
> John Ferlito wrote:
> 
> ...snip
> 
> > I disagree. Orbs takes thngs a little bit too far and yes I don't like 
>them either.
> > RBL on the other hand is a different matter. They will only list a mail sevrer if 
>it is an open relay
> > ie it is open for abuse. They also send the admin a whole heap of emails saying 
>please fix and here are instructions how.
> 
> They say they send mail, but they do not send any mail! That is one of
> my beefs.

rbl send an email to the owner of the ip space which they work out through 
whois. So the mail is probably going to hoever owns the ip space which the open relay 
mail server
is using. Which means someone probably isn't passing it on to you.


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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Mehmet Yousouf]

I've tried M14 and M17, the M17 still occaisionally crashes but I found it
ALOT more stable than M14. My feeling is it is too big takes ages to
load and has a large footprint. Hasn't done the netscape trick of
swallowing all the system memory yet though.
I prefer using it to netscape on my Athlon system. 


regards, Mehmet

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Heracles wrote:

> Has anyone had any experiences with the Mozilla browser. I checked
> out M14 from the latest Debian distribution and it seemed very
> unstable. It does have some features that I would like to have
> available to me though. Are the newer releases (e.g.. M17) more
> stable or is it still unusable?
> 
> Stay well and happy
> Heracles




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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Rick Welykochy]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Michael Lake wrote:

> I used the Mozila with Deb 2.2 on Alpha. Its the only app
> that ever slowed down my Alpha!
> Big, crashes, now removed till it is much much better.
> Downloaded M17 and its still as bad.
> Maybe very different situation on the Intel perhaps.

My experience with Mozilla (a few version ago): abysmal.

Maybe us open source zealots should eat a bit of humble pie
and admit that the Cathedral model (for example MS/IE 
or Netscape) does work better than the Bazaar in some cases.

Let's see, Mozilla have been at it how long? 2 1/2 years?
MS managed to usurp the entire browser market in the same time :(
Their browser is world class and supports all the W3C (or should
I say MS) standards.

Apologies for the heretical sound to the above ... it's intended
simply as a reality check. Sometimes the truth hurts.


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Re: [SLUG] win4lin

[clarkj]

On 26 Sep, 2000 - 12:39:29, Graeme Merrall wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:26:11PM +1100, Bill Hiley wrote:
>> For those of us poor souls who (occasionally of course) have to run a
>> Windows program - does anyone have any experience with 'Win4Lin' and can
>> offer any comparison with other products eg. Vmware, Wine etc
> 
> I'm a hoppy user of Win4Lin. It is a bit of a drag with kernel patches and
> that sort of thing. Last time I looked a win4lin-v1 2.2.17 patch was not
> available.  It's good if all you want to do is run Win98 or Win95 for using
> some apps - which is all I need it for.
> VMware is good if you need yo utilise more heavy duty features of windows
> of you need to emulate an entire machine or install another OS as Win4Lin
> only does Windows9x. iI also found VMware quite sluggish on my machine.
> Since I only need to use a few apps Win4Lin does me fine and it boots pretty
> damn fast. Th eprice is better to.
> My only problem with it is some wierd video problems but I can live with it.

you would not be referring to lack of display refresh in XFree86 V4.0 ?
I had this problem until a friend suggested setting the BackingStore
option in the config - which fixed the problem nicely.

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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Ken Yap]

>MS managed to usurp the entire browser market in the same time :(
>Their browser is world class and supports all the W3C (or should
>I say MS) standards.

Really? I heard it was very non-compliant.


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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Jason Rennie]

> Let's see, Mozilla have been at it how long? 2 1/2 years?
> MS managed to usurp the entire browser market in the same time :(
> Their browser is world class and supports all the W3C (or should
> I say MS) standards.

Have you actaully used IE 5.5 ?

I saw sombody "boasting" that it had an added security features, like
being able to reject cookies not set by the same domain as the page. Not
like netscape ahsn;t had this since verison 4 (at least).

Besides, IE still crashes my whoel machine when it goes down.

Long live nutscrape

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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[David]

I presume that IE will never be an option for linux anyway???

What ever happened to Opera?

Are there any other realistic options?? (yes,of course I use lynx, but
that isn't useful for many things).

Meantime, aren't we realistically stuck with Netscape anyway? I'm
constantly having to kill it because it freezes. Yuk.


On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Jason Rennie wrote:

> > Let's see, Mozilla have been at it how long? 2 1/2 years?
> > MS managed to usurp the entire browser market in the same time :(
> > Their browser is world class and supports all the W3C (or should
> > I say MS) standards.
> 
> Have you actaully used IE 5.5 ?
> 
> I saw sombody "boasting" that it had an added security features, like
> being able to reject cookies not set by the same domain as the page. Not
> like netscape ahsn;t had this since verison 4 (at least).
> 
> Besides, IE still crashes my whoel machine when it goes down.
> 
> Long live nutscrape
> 
> Jason
> 
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Rejecting mail under sendmail

[Jon Carnes]

> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 11:23:16AM +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
> > John Ferlito wrote:
> >
> > ...snip
> >
> > > I disagree. Orbs takes thngs a little bit too far and yes I
don't like them either.
> > > RBL on the other hand is a different matter. They will only list a
mail sevrer if it is an open relay
> > > ie it is open for abuse. They also send the admin a whole heap of
emails saying please fix and here are instructions how.
> >
> > They say they send mail, but they do not send any mail! That is one of
> > my beefs.
>
> rbl send an email to the owner of the ip space which they work out through
> whois. So the mail is probably going to hoever owns the ip space which the
open relay mail server
> is using. Which means someone probably isn't passing it on to you.
>
>
> --
> John
>
>
I've gotten mail from the RBL, they gave me 48 hours to fix my relay
problem.  I knew that I was being used to relay and was about to close the
loop.  Their message raised the priority.

It was a fair cop.

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Re: [SLUG] win4lin

[Graeme Merrall]

On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 12:27:51PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > My only problem with it is some wierd video problems but I can live with it.
> 
> you would not be referring to lack of display refresh in XFree86 V4.0 ?
> I had this problem until a friend suggested setting the BackingStore
> option in the config - which fixed the problem nicely.
> 

That's a mighty fine question. I'll have a look and see. If it sures the
problem I shall be most gratefuil.

Graeme


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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[clarkj]

On 26 Sep, 2000 - 14:05:36, Jason Rennie wrote:
>> Let's see, Mozilla have been at it how long? 2 1/2 years?
>> MS managed to usurp the entire browser market in the same time :(
>> Their browser is world class and supports all the W3C (or should
>> I say MS) standards.
> 
> Have you actaully used IE 5.5 ?
> 
> I saw sombody "boasting" that it had an added security features, like
> being able to reject cookies not set by the same domain as the page. Not
> like netscape ahsn;t had this since verison 4 (at least).
> 
> Besides, IE still crashes my whoel machine when it goes down.

well that isn't a fault in IE (the fact that the OS crashed):
if a buggy app brings down an OS, it is a problem in the OS
(so running IE under another OS - Linux for instance, can easily
solve this problem :-).

> 
> Long live nutscrape

I hope not!
Even IE under Win4Lin/Linux seems to be faster than native
Netscape.
The sooner Netscape is replaced by Konqueror / Mozilla / Galeon /
2-tin-cans+string the better  :-)


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[SLUG] USB/Ethernet adapters + Linux

[David Grubb]

Hi all

I'm fairly new to the world of Linux, but having recently been given a copy of Corel 
Linux 1.2, I figured I would give it a whirl

I've got @home internet access which I can get working fine with an NE2000 compatible 
card no problem, but for some masochistic reason I'd like to try and get a D-Link USB 
<-> Ethernet adapter set up with the cable modem.

The only resource I've been able to find on anything like this is the Kaweth drivers 
at http://drivers.rd.ilan.net/kaweth - and with my complete lack of knowledge on 
compiling/programming etc (I do intend to correct this as a get more familiar with 
Linux ;) it's not much help to me.

If anyone has had any experience with this sort of adapter (whether it's been 
successful or not), let me know.

Cheers
Dave

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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Doug Stalker]

David wrote:

> I presume that IE will never be an option for linux anyway???
>
> What ever happened to Opera?

I use opera under windows at work, and I find it vastly superior to both IE
and netscape.  It renders fast, and when it does crash it's just the
application - both IE and netscape take down my whole system when they die
(the netscape in a very strange way, but this isn't the place to discuss it)

I havn't tried the linux version of opera yet - I only just noticed they have
one.


>
> Are there any other realistic options?? (yes,of course I use lynx, but
> that isn't useful for many things).
>
> Meantime, aren't we realistically stuck with Netscape anyway? I'm
> constantly having to kill it because it freezes. Yuk.

I use netscape under linux at home.  It doesn't crash much (no crashes at all
since I wiped it and installed mandrake 7.1/Helix) but thats probably because
I don't use it much - I stay back at work after hours and do all my personal
browsing then on a high speed connection.

I downloaded Mozilla M17 yesterday and plan to have a look at it tonight - the

last time I tried it was M14 and I found it to be very slow and bloated, both
under windows and netscape.


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RE: [SLUG] Mozilla

[John Wiltshire]

From: Ken Yap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>>MS managed to usurp the entire browser market in the same time :(
>>Their browser is world class and supports all the W3C (or should
>>I say MS) standards.
>
>Really? I heard it was very non-compliant.

It's got quite a few non-compliance issues.  I think the actual claim is
that it is the most compliant of all released browsers.  Gecko/Mozilla is a
little more compliant than IE55, but still not completely there.

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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[CaT]

On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 01:22:44PM +1000, Rick Welykochy wrote:
> Maybe us open source zealots should eat a bit of humble pie
> and admit that the Cathedral model (for example MS/IE 
> or Netscape) does work better than the Bazaar in some cases.
> 
> Let's see, Mozilla have been at it how long? 2 1/2 years?
> MS managed to usurp the entire browser market in the same time :(

Nah. IMO I don't think it's a failure... I just think that the mozilla
team should've built a web browser and not a web browser, mail and
news reader, irc client and god knows what else. They should've built
a solid core and put in hooks for the rest so that they can be added in
as modules.

This would've let them bring out a web browser faster and I could dump
that hunk of shite called netscape sooner.

It'd also prolly have a far smaller footprint then it does now.

Ahh well...

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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Rick Welykochy]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Ken Yap wrote:

> >MS managed to usurp the entire browser market in the same time :(
> >Their browser is world class and supports all the W3C (or should
> >I say MS) standards.
> 
> Really? I heard it was very non-compliant.

Don't believe everything you hear ;)

MS/IE is CSS compliant and works well with layers.
It also handles XML. Now, regarding personal privacy,
security, etc., MS/IE is an abomination against nature,
the spawn of the devil (well Bill, actually), and should
be nuked out of existence.

Regarding CSS on Netscape: it displays crap crap crap
all over the screen with CSS and layering. Surely
you've seen this on the web, e.g. www.olympics.com.au
uses layers and Netscape botches it terribly.

Mild standards example:
the URL http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
is not accepted by MS/IE whereas Netscape handles it OK. Who's
right? MS! The username:password form of the URL is only
allowed for ftp:// URL's.  But I still like Netscape's ability
to handle it, a la curl.

BTW: I do NOT use IE, I use Netscape 4.72 on Linux. I personally
think IE sucks, maybe since I am so used to the way Netscape gets
things done. I hope and pray IE never hits Linux ... it would
prolly corrupt your machine so terribly that you'd need to do what
most 'doze users do every few months: reinstall.

Note: when I develop a web site, it *must* be tested on IE
since there are *so many goddam inconsistencies* between
browsers and platforms. That's about my only exposure to the
beastie ... standards compliance. And IE wins hands down.
Put that in your collective pipes and smoke it.

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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Ken Yap]

>> Really? I heard it was very non-compliant.
>
>Don't believe everything you hear ;)
>
>MS/IE is CSS compliant and works well with layers.
>It also handles XML. Now, regarding personal privacy,
>security, etc., MS/IE is an abomination against nature,
>the spawn of the devil (well Bill, actually), and should
>be nuked out of existence.

That's not what I read in review of a test session a while back. Sorry I
don't have the URL. Netscape wasn't compliant either, but this article
was about Gecko. Of course, it's not officially released.


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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Jason Rennie]

> > I presume that IE will never be an option for linux anyway???
> >
> > What ever happened to Opera?
> 
> I use opera under windows at work, and I find it vastly superior to both IE
> and netscape.  It renders fast, and when it does crash it's just the
> application - both IE and netscape take down my whole system when they die
> (the netscape in a very strange way, but this isn't the place to discuss it)

I had a play with the windows version of opera. It is really picky about
proper HTML. Unfortunetly with the 2 dominat browsers being netscape and
IE, and there hideously lax apprach to standaards complaince, i found
opera compalined a lot about bad pages.

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[SLUG] APM and Xfree4.0

[Steven downing]

Here's the story.  My home machine dual boot win98 - RH6.2 has two hd's, and when I 
boot Redhat(unmodified kernel), it says something akin to
hda: APM. Get Event not present.
when the hard drives are intialised.  Hda is the Win98 disk.
Once up and running I don't have the apmd daemon active.
AFAIK this is for laptops??
Then the bad things start to happen.  When running mc it will often give messages 
like:  apm. can't enter expected state.
And when running pppd under GNOME, I've had two serious lock ups, where the whole 
thing dies and I can't even ctrl-alt to other terminals.  Have to do a manual 
power-off.  And nothing really shows up in /var/log/messages when I get back in.  From 
memory this has happened a couple of times AFTER I have accessed hda1, which is 
mounted under Linux, but it doesn't always happen.
Shutdown -r and shutdown -h seem to be able to reset and turn off. Ok, so any ideas??  
Sorry about the lack of hard info, just give me an idea what you think MIGHT be a 
cause and i'll try track stuff down.

X.free.  Anyone know where XFREE4.0.1 places the modelines/timings which used to be in 
/etc/X11/XF86Config ??  I need to shift my picture horizontally without using the 
monitor hardware aiming.

thanks all
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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Jeff Waugh]

> Heracles wrote:
> 
> Has anyone had any experiences with the Mozilla browser. I checked
> out M14 from the latest Debian distribution and it seemed very
> unstable. It does have some features that I would like to have
> available to me though. Are the newer releases (e.g.. M17) more
> stable or is it still unusable?


E! M14? That's decades old... in Internet time!

Grab one of the nightly builds - I'm using one from a few days ago, and it's
very good. Also, build your own from CVS. I had a very nice one running for
a few weeks having done that.

Basically, forget the milestone releases. They've all been pretty trashy,
and especially forget - cast entirely out of your mind - the Netscape
branded releases. Ugh!


Don't expect too much though, it's not meant to be release software, and
shouldn't be reviewed as such.

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Jeff Waugh]

> Rick Welykochy wrote:
> 
> My experience with Mozilla (a few version ago): abysmal.


Try again. Grab a nightly build. Mozilla changes faster than Sawfish (and
that's saying something).


> Maybe us open source zealots should eat a bit of humble pie
> and admit that the Cathedral model (for example MS/IE 
> or Netscape) does work better than the Bazaar in some cases.


What? Is this really you, Rick?

Netscape and IE are *released software*! They're meant to work. Mozilla
isn't, so don't expect it to be 100% wodnerful. Mozilla is definitely usable
day-to-day now, but don't forget that you're meant to be in "Bug-reporting
Free Software Zealot" mode... Not "Our Released Software Makes Your Released
Software Look Like The First Throwaway Free Sofware Zealot" mode.


> Let's see, Mozilla have been at it how long? 2 1/2 years?
> MS managed to usurp the entire browser market in the same time :(


Yada, yada, yada. There's lots of reasons for that, and not simply because
Mozilla hasn't been released yet. If Mozilla.org hadn't decided to go for a
rewrite, it would have been a hell of a lot more disappointing, and
definitely a "Ha-ha! Free Software doesn't work" situation.

The Free Software world is getting a huge amount of new technology from this
endeavour - not just a usable browser. Mozilla.org has done this The Right
Way. Perhaps you like Galeon better? Wouldn't have happened as nicely (or as
100% compliant) without the Mozilla rewrite and the pushed back deadlines.


> Their browser is world class and supports all the W3C (or should
> I say MS) standards.


Yes, say MS instead of W3C. IE is great, fast, stable, etc., but it's still
a sucky browser from a standards perspective. MS have spent more time
developing .hta and extended stylesheet and programmability functions than
actually pulling their fingers out and getting it right.


> Apologies for the heretical sound to the above ... it's intended
> simply as a reality check. Sometimes the truth hurts.


You have to look for the successes a little wider than "Is this browser
better than IE"... and how far those sucesses will take us.

I'm not even remotely disappointed.

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] APM and Xfree4.0

[Jeff Waugh]

Not sure about your APM issue, but I can help with the XFree86 prob...


> Steven downing wrote:
> 
> X.free.  Anyone know where XFREE4.0.1 places the modelines/timings which
> used to be in /etc/X11/XF86Config ??  I need to shift my picture
> horizontally without using the monitor hardware aiming.


Same place in fact, although it looks a little bit different. First off, you
can always "man XF86Config", but I'll be a little more helpful than that. ;)

Run xf86cfg - it's the new configurator by Conectiva, and it's pretty cool.
You can set up the modelines with a GUI - you don't even have to worry about
silly somewhat inexplicable numbers (read the Modelines HOWTO). Just tell it
where you want the image, etc.

Also, use xvidtune for the same thing, only not as pretty. It will print out
a modeline on the console if you press the "Show" button (and you can work
out where to put this by reading the XF86Config man page, or peeking at your
old XF86Config... they haven't changed this bit too much).

- Jeff


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[SLUG] Red Hat 7.0

[John Wiltshire]

Does anyone have a nice fast mirror of RH7?  I'm trying to get the ISOs from
mirror.aarnet and getting a pretty dismal transfer rate.

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[SLUG] redirecting stdin and stdout to a modem

[Doug Stalker]

I've written a script to use for paging messages from a linux system,
and all that remains to be done is to run it with its output directed to
the modem and the output of the modem directed back to it.  The only
problem is I can't figure out how to do this: page < /dev/modem >
/dev/modem doesn't do anything.  How shoudl I do this?

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[SLUG] disk duplication

[Michael]

I have two identical hard drives. One has live OS on it, and the other is
completely empty. No partitations at all, and no data.

Would the following work;

dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=64k

To duplicate the entire disk of /dev/hda to the disk /dev/hdb

And once it is done.. would the 2nd disk be bootable? and would the first
disk be intact?

Thanks
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Re: [SLUG] APM and Xfree4.0

[Steven downing]

Ahh, me thiinks I have some deeper problem.
i ran xf86config and ened up getting a very basic super vga monitor to work, but the 
are NO modelines in the monitor section.
xf86cfg died.  It started an xserver and showed a nice white window with a few black 
rectangle outlines, i remember something about compliation problems was the error 
message.
xvidtune showed the current modeline then died too!
thanks for the help though, I'll do a little more RTFM now i know they are supposed to 
be in XF86Config.
Yay SLUG! A response time about 2 days(and waiting) quicker than the Xfree mailing 
list.

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Re: [SLUG] APM and Xfree4.0

[Jeff Waugh]

> Steven downing wrote:
> 
> Ahh, me thiinks I have some deeper problem.  i ran xf86config and ened up
> getting a very basic super vga monitor to work, but the are NO modelines
> in the monitor section.


That's normal. XFree86 4 detects your monitor and the correct modes, so it
usually doesn't need the frustrating convincing the old versions did.


> xf86cfg died.  It started an xserver and showed a
> nice white window with a few black rectangle outlines, i remember
> something about compliation problems was the error message.


That's not normal.


> xvidtune showed the current modeline then died too!


That isn't either.

Compilation problems? Did you compile it yourself?


> I'll do a little more RTFM now i know they are supposed to be in
> XF86Config.  Yay SLUG! A response time about 2 days(and waiting) quicker
> than the Xfree mailing list.


We rock. Sometimes we bitch and moan. But we usually rock. ;)

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Re: [SLUG] disk duplication

[Jeff Waugh]

> Michael wrote:
> 
> I have two identical hard drives. One has live OS on it, and the other is
> completely empty. No partitations at all, and no data.
> 
> Would the following work;
> 
> dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=64k
> 
> To duplicate the entire disk of /dev/hda to the disk /dev/hdb


Yes. :)


> And once it is done.. would the 2nd disk be bootable?


Yes. :)


> and would the first disk be intact?


Yes. :)


- Jeff

(Who might mention now that, yes, you're doing a lowish level copy of the
hard drive, so all the data, partitions, etc, will be exactly the same. dd
is very, very cool.)


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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Michael Lake]

David wrote:
> What ever happened to Opera?

I have Opera at present on my Linux box here at work. Small
and fast but does not some many pages correctly. For
instance some forms come out with the form's text input
boxes in the wrong places. Looking at code that I have
writen myself Netscape and IE show the forms correctly Opera
does not. And images are not very god either. It works
faster than Mozilla but it supports far less functionality.

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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla

[Rick Welykochy]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> What? Is this really you, Rick?

 must've had a lapse just then!

> > Let's see, Mozilla have been at it how long? 2 1/2 years?
> > MS managed to usurp the entire browser market in the same time :(
> 
> Yada, yada, yada. There's lots of reasons for that, and not simply because
> Mozilla hasn't been released yet.

I forgot to mention the most important reason for usurpence: MS
packages and ships IE with all its OS's (against DoJ's recommendation)
so that now alot of newbies ask me "Netscape? What's that?" or
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Re: [SLUG] disk duplication

[Matt Hyne]

If it is IDENTICAL then yes, otherwise set up the partitions on the target disk, mount 
them and use cpio to copy the files across, then install lilo and that should be it.

I would suggest however that you be booted from a floppy and not have /dev/hda mounted 
so you don't get anything writing while you are copying.

I have used ghost (www.ghost.com) to do some duplicating too - although lately I've 
been having big problems trying to ghost a Win98 box - windows seems to complain when 
I boot the target disk - otherwise it works well and 'supports' Linux.

Matt

At Tuesday, 26/09/2000 03:33 PM (+1000), Michael wrote:
>I have two identical hard drives. One has live OS on it, and the other is
>completely empty. No partitations at all, and no data.
>
>Would the following work;
>
>dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=64k
>
>To duplicate the entire disk of /dev/hda to the disk /dev/hdb
>
>And once it is done.. would the 2nd disk be bootable? and would the first
>disk be intact?
>
>Thanks
>Michael
>
>
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Re: [SLUG] disk duplication

[Bernhard Lüder]

I have used ghost, but (unlike windows partitions) the Linux partitions do not see, if 
you increase their size. Or is thier a trick to that, so Linux sees the rest of the 
partition?

Bernhard

>
>If it is IDENTICAL then yes, otherwise set up the partitions on the target disk, 
>mount them and use cpio to copy the files across, then install lilo and that should 
>be it.
>
>I would suggest however that you be booted from a floppy and not have /dev/hda 
>mounted so you don't get anything writing while you are copying.
>
>I have used ghost (www.ghost.com) to do some duplicating too - although lately I've 
>been having big problems trying to ghost a Win98 box - windows seems to complain when 
>I boot the target disk - otherwise it works well and 'supports' Linux.
>
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Re: [SLUG] disk duplication

[Jeff Waugh]

> Bernhard Lüder wrote:
> 
> I have used ghost, but (unlike windows partitions) the Linux partitions do
> not see, if you increase their size. Or is thier a trick to that, so Linux
> sees the rest of the partition?


Bah! What's all this proprietary software for when you can do it safely at
home with regular household cleaning items? Or something.

Use fdisk (preferably cfdisk if you're not a masochist) and GNU parted.

All you have to do to extend a partition is rewrite a larger one with
(c)fdisk (obviously you need some room to change the partition table this
way), and then tell parted to resize the filesystem appropriately.  Other
way around for... well, the other way around.


The documentation for both of these tools is pretty good. I must admit that
Partition Magic used to make me feel more comfortable doing such things, but
now the mock Win9x look just scares me. ;) Great software tho.

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] disk duplication

[Matt Hyne]

I think the later versions support linux disk resizing.

Matt

At Tuesday, 26/09/2000 04:03 PM (+1000), Bernhard Lüder wrote:
>I have used ghost, but (unlike windows partitions) the Linux partitions do not see, 
>if you increase their size. Or is thier a trick to that, so Linux sees the rest of 
>the partition?
>
>Bernhard
>
>>
>>If it is IDENTICAL then yes, otherwise set up the partitions on the target disk, 
>mount them and use cpio to copy the files across, then install lilo and that should 
>be it.
>>
>>I would suggest however that you be booted from a floppy and not have /dev/hda 
>mounted so you don't get anything writing while you are copying.
>>
>>I have used ghost (www.ghost.com) to do some duplicating too - although lately I've 
>been having big problems trying to ghost a Win98 box - windows seems to complain when 
>I boot the target disk - otherwise it works well and 'supports' Linux.
>>
>>Matt
>>
>
>
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[SLUG] re: disk duplication

[Michael]

Thanks all,

I did what I suspected and it works fine.

Cheers
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[SLUG] Help with dhcrelay

[Howard Lowndes]

I am trying to get dhcrelay to work between 2 subnets.

The agent sits on subnet A and hears the DHCPDISCOVER packets OK (they are
from NT boxen, BTW) and forwards them on to the DHCP server on subnet B
(again an NT box).  The server comes back with a DHCPOFFER to the agent,
but the latter fails to forward this back to the requesting client's MAC
address, it just ignores it.

Looking at the packets with tcpdump they look fine, in both directions,
and forwarding is set on, but I do not think that would be an issue here
anyway.

There used to be a hassle with Linux and the ultimate broadcast IP.  Is
that still a hassle and how do I set it up under linuxconf (preferably)

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[SLUG] Xfree 4.0 debs?

[Leon Strong]

Anyone know a handy (close) place to get xfree 4.0 debs?

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[SLUG] answered my own question :)

[Leon Strong]

Nevermind :) i found it 

deb http://samosa.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ woody/$(ARCH)/

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Re: [SLUG] Xfree 4.0 debs?

[Jeff Waugh]

> Leon Strong wrote:
> 
> Anyone know a handy (close) place to get xfree 4.0 debs?


Well, there aren't any close (unless some kind sould has set up a mirror),
and they're defintely not released, but I'm using Branden's. He's the
official X maintainer, and is currently putting X and his packages through
their paces so they're up to Debian scratch.

/etc/apt/sources.list:
# BRANDEN'S X
deb http://samosa.debian.org/~branden woody/i386/


Knock yourself out. Either that, or the installation niggles will. ;) I'm
sure a few people on the list can help you out should you have problems with
it. I did, but it works now. The trials of pre-release software...

- Jeff


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RE: [SLUG] Help with dhcrelay

[Stephen Mills]

maybe im a little confused, but any of these machines running dhcpd ? or
linux is acting as the client ?
maybe a silly question, but do you have the multicast route set on the Linux
box ? I haven't setup DHCP relays on Linux before, but its just a thought,
although this route is not required if its just a dhcp client.

Stephen


-Original Message-
From: Howard Lowndes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 3:56 PM
To: Mail List - SLUG
Subject: [SLUG] Help with dhcrelay


I am trying to get dhcrelay to work between 2 subnets.

The agent sits on subnet A and hears the DHCPDISCOVER packets OK (they are
from NT boxen, BTW) and forwards them on to the DHCP server on subnet B
(again an NT box).  The server comes back with a DHCPOFFER to the agent,
but the latter fails to forward this back to the requesting client's MAC
address, it just ignores it.

Looking at the packets with tcpdump they look fine, in both directions,
and forwarding is set on, but I do not think that would be an issue here
anyway.

There used to be a hassle with Linux and the ultimate broadcast IP.  Is
that still a hassle and how do I set it up under linuxconf (preferably)

All and any assistance appreciated.

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RE: [SLUG] Help with dhcrelay

[Howard Lowndes]

The Linux box on subnet A only has the dhcrelay agent.  It acts like a
server on its resident subnet, but actually forwards the request on to a
real server on another subnet.  When that server comes back with a
response then the agent passes it on to the original client, which thinks
that it came from a server on the local subnet.

Both the clients and the server are on NT boxen, the relay agent is on a
Linux box acting principally as a router.

What are you calling the multicast route in this, surely not 224.x.y.z
etc?  The client sends the DHCPDISCOVER with source 0.0.0.0:67 and
destination 255.255.255.255:68.  The agent grabs this and forwards it to
the server on port 68.  The server comes back to the agent with the
DHCPOFFER on port 68 and the agent should then shoot it back as source
0.0.0.0:68 destination 255.255.255.255:67 but put onto the ethernet at
level 2 using the MAC that was in the original DHCPDISCOVER packet.  I
think thats the way it works.

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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Stephen Mills wrote:

> maybe im a little confused, but any of these machines running dhcpd ? or
> linux is acting as the client ?
> maybe a silly question, but do you have the multicast route set on the Linux
> box ? I haven't setup DHCP relays on Linux before, but its just a thought,
> although this route is not required if its just a dhcp client.
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Howard Lowndes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 3:56 PM
> To: Mail List - SLUG
> Subject: [SLUG] Help with dhcrelay
> 
> 
> I am trying to get dhcrelay to work between 2 subnets.
> 
> The agent sits on subnet A and hears the DHCPDISCOVER packets OK (they are
> from NT boxen, BTW) and forwards them on to the DHCP server on subnet B
> (again an NT box).  The server comes back with a DHCPOFFER to the agent,
> but the latter fails to forward this back to the requesting client's MAC
> address, it just ignores it.
> 
> Looking at the packets with tcpdump they look fine, in both directions,
> and forwarding is set on, but I do not think that would be an issue here
> anyway.
> 
> There used to be a hassle with Linux and the ultimate broadcast IP.  Is
> that still a hassle and how do I set it up under linuxconf (preferably)
> 
> All and any assistance appreciated.
> 
> 



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RE: [SLUG] Help with dhcrelay

[Stephen Mills]

yes im talking about multicast (224.x.y.z) although in this case you won't
need that. I found that I needed this set if the Linux box was acting as the
DHCP Server.

You're description on DHCP is correct, they obviously run on UDP
ports...sorry I don't have any suggestions for you

goodluck :)

Stephen



-Original Message-
From: Howard Lowndes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:34 PM
To: Stephen Mills
Cc: Mail List - SLUG
Subject: RE: [SLUG] Help with dhcrelay


The Linux box on subnet A only has the dhcrelay agent.  It acts like a
server on its resident subnet, but actually forwards the request on to a
real server on another subnet.  When that server comes back with a
response then the agent passes it on to the original client, which thinks
that it came from a server on the local subnet.

Both the clients and the server are on NT boxen, the relay agent is on a
Linux box acting principally as a router.

What are you calling the multicast route in this, surely not 224.x.y.z
etc?  The client sends the DHCPDISCOVER with source 0.0.0.0:67 and
destination 255.255.255.255:68.  The agent grabs this and forwards it to
the server on port 68.  The server comes back to the agent with the
DHCPOFFER on port 68 and the agent should then shoot it back as source
0.0.0.0:68 destination 255.255.255.255:67 but put onto the ethernet at
level 2 using the MAC that was in the original DHCPDISCOVER packet.  I
think thats the way it works.

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LANNet Computing Associates 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Stephen Mills wrote:

> maybe im a little confused, but any of these machines running dhcpd ? or
> linux is acting as the client ?
> maybe a silly question, but do you have the multicast route set on the
Linux
> box ? I haven't setup DHCP relays on Linux before, but its just a thought,
> although this route is not required if its just a dhcp client.
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Howard Lowndes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 3:56 PM
> To: Mail List - SLUG
> Subject: [SLUG] Help with dhcrelay
> 
> 
> I am trying to get dhcrelay to work between 2 subnets.
> 
> The agent sits on subnet A and hears the DHCPDISCOVER packets OK (they are
> from NT boxen, BTW) and forwards them on to the DHCP server on subnet B
> (again an NT box).  The server comes back with a DHCPOFFER to the agent,
> but the latter fails to forward this back to the requesting client's MAC
> address, it just ignores it.
> 
> Looking at the packets with tcpdump they look fine, in both directions,
> and forwarding is set on, but I do not think that would be an issue here
> anyway.
> 
> There used to be a hassle with Linux and the ultimate broadcast IP.  Is
> that still a hassle and how do I set it up under linuxconf (preferably)
> 
> All and any assistance appreciated.
> 
> 



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