[SLUG] Video Capturing Slug Meetings
Hi All, Would the SLUG users/committee members be interested in: Webcasting / Vid Capture(ing) SLUG presentations. How many times have you missed that presentation due to other commitments. Video Capturing these presentations would be great, once captured they could then be mpeged and made available on the web site, At the end of the year a CD could be complied. Is this idea good/fantastic/stupid ? Anyway I know that I've already missed some presentations that I really wanted to get to, and having the presentation in *.mpeg would've been great. Awaiting feedback, Mehmet Ozdemir -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Pearls & Website Developer Mailing Lists
Morning all, I've made two new mailing lists in light of recent interest in helping with the SLUG website and Pearls. Time to put our braces and pointies where our mouths are (so to speak)... Website: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/web-devel/ Pearls: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/pearls-devel/ They are *developer* lists, so please subscribe only if you're interested in contributing. We will operate much like lkml - "code" talks, most else walks. :D However, we will *definitely* be asking for suggestions. If you're unable to contribute, but would like to send in a feature request or idea, please post to one of the following addresses: Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pearls: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public archives are not available at the moment, but will be up soon and viewable to all. Now, subscribe and conquer! :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Web development with PHP is like injecting pure rust with a high-pressure hose. For pain relief. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Response to a posting...
> Hi, i'm writing in response to a posting i came across on the internet > for possible opportunities for a singer. Heh. Replied privately. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so cold of heart as never to express it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Response to a posting...
Hi, i'm writing in response to a posting i came across on the internet for possible opportunities for a singer. I would be interested in learning more about the opportunity please. Thank you. Pleae email back if you are still looking for interested experienced performers. Thank you, Amanda Wade -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] xircom pcmcia
I've come across a Xirconm 10/100-Upgradeable pc card, sans reuired dongle. Linux recognises the card fine and if I plug someones dlink dongle into the 10M port it seems to work fine. Now I can get the 10M dongle from harris tech but I'm more interested in getting the 10/100M port going and it seems to require a different adapter but I can't find anything about it. None of the xircom dongles at ht seemed to fit. Does anyone have one of these beasts and have any idea what the upgradeable part actually means? -- John Ferlito Senior Engineer - Bulletproof Networks ph: +61 (0) 410 519 382 http://www.bulletproof.net.au/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] DNS/MX secondaries
On 26Nv2k, Jeff Waugh wrote Re: [SLUG] DNS/MX secondaries > Hmm. No, it didn't come up at the meeting... I'm up for it though, and > the SLUG machine can certainly offer *personal* secondary DNS - we've > been thinking about doing dynamic DNS for members for a while now, so > this fits in quite nicely. > > We couldn't offer secondary MX, as that's more likely to become a > bandwidth problem. UTS and ProgSoc are already being very kind to let > us host our box there. :) One group that it might be interesting to talk to is TasLUG as stated below they were setting up a similar service. Importantly I can now find any references to the service on their homepage, so I can only presume they have withdrawn the service. [fm/news] newsletter for Nov 22nd 1999, 23:59 -- subject: TasLUG Dynamic DNS added by: Steven Honson on Nov 22nd 1999, 17:59 category: Community homepage: http://dns.taslug.org.au body: The Tasmanian Linux Users Group has just opened a new dynamic DNS service for Linux users at http://dns.taslug.org.au The service is still in BETA, but is now reliable enough for public use. More features will be added in the feature including free secondary MX for taslug.org.au domains. |> http://freshmeat.net/news/1999/11/22/943311582.html Mark -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] PHP License
> > > Licensing is a full topic. But just because its no gpl compatable > > doesnt mean it requires a license. > > What does that sentence mean? License, aka pay for it. Thats the impression i got from the initial email. Being that php needed to be paid for. > > Its not hard to break "compatability" with GPL considering how open > > GPL is (well, it keeps things open, the BSD licenses tend to give > > more freedom) > > The GPL offers a framework for freedom, whilst the BSD licence offers an > escape. Choose your poison. :) At the risk of scaring some Libertarians, my > lefty insides love having a framework - that's why the GPL appeals to me > I'm surprised the strongly Libertarian amongst us haven't swarmed for the > BSD licence. Perhaps it's an offshoot of the American requirement to negate > any association with Communism when doing something for the public good. BSD is somewhat self promoting. As it allows companies to take their code and sell it. Which is good, because it assures the code use will be of a reasonable quality (depending on how good the original code is). FreeBSD's tcpip stack is a popular thing to take. BeOS is grabing it i believe, in BONE. Anyway some companies are nice enough to send patches back and help out. I guess it depends on your way of looking at things. In some ways GPL is good and BSD is better in alot of ways. Alot of stuff is BSD like. Apache is one of the biggens. Its also suprising that alot of pretty essential packages in linux arent GPL (something i found interesting as i gradually updated and replaced stuff on my ex redhat 6.0 desktop). Theres alot of philosophy i guess, and i think alot of free licenses have poped up as a consequence of this and as a consequence of subtle ambiguities or small points people arent comfortable with. Which ever way it goes. $0 looks alot better to me than $1+ =) (plus gst of course) Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] PHP License
less /usr/share/doc/php4/copyright First off, there's an acknowledgement (advertising) clause, plus, the Zend engine is licenced under the QPL. I'm sure you can find a few descriptions of the QPL around the place. :) The Zend engine is specially licenced to the PHP Association (couldn't they come up with something cooler like PHP Confederate, PHP Pals, or...?) and cannot be separated under the same licence. This is the trouble with licence mish-mashing. Turning your code into a legal mindfield isn't a great way to bring on the patches. Now to Dean's email... > Licensing is a full topic. But just because its no gpl compatable > doesnt mean it requires a license. What does that sentence mean? > Its not hard to break "compatability" with GPL considering how open > GPL is (well, it keeps things open, the BSD licenses tend to give > more freedom) The GPL offers a framework for freedom, whilst the BSD licence offers an escape. Choose your poison. :) At the risk of scaring some Libertarians, my lefty insides love having a framework - that's why the GPL appeals to me. I'm surprised the strongly Libertarian amongst us haven't swarmed for the BSD licence. Perhaps it's an offshoot of the American requirement to negate any association with Communism when doing something for the public good. ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so cold of heart as never to express it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] PHP License
> Its not hard to break "compatability" with GPL considering how open > GPL is (well, it keeps things open, the BSD licenses tend to give > more freedom) Actaully it is really easy to break GPL compatabiltity. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] PHP License
Licensing is a full topic. But just because its no gpl compatable doesnt mean it requires a license. Speculatively i would say you might not be allowed to create derived works from it. It may also offer some warranties *doubt*. Its not hard to break "compatability" with GPL considering how open GPL is (well, it keeps things open, the BSD licenses tend to give more freedom) Um, look at the license on http://au.php.net:81 (mirrors are good) I cant say much more though, atm im more of a mod_perl monkey. Php is a bit too mainstream these days =P Dean Jason Rennie wrote: > > Hi all, > > I overheard recently at a committee meeting that the license for PHP was > not GPL compatible. > > Could somebody tell me in what way ? > > Jason > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
> AFAIK, the vp6 is not actually retailing anywhere. Its still in a pre-release > state. It's been released (check out Abit's website, which is something silly like abit-usa.com), but I haven't seen any around these parts. Yet. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- o/~ In spite of all those keystrokes, you're addicted to vim. *ka-ching!* o/~ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Has anyone seen the VP6 in Australia yet? > AFAIK, the vp6 is not actually retailing anywhere. Its still in a pre-release state. Arun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
Has anyone seen the VP6 in Australia yet? Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 25/11/2000 09:05:14 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ... > i am thinking aroung a PIII 500-800 or so hopefully.. or would an AMD be > better. I am not looking for bleading edge so the latest stats from > tomshardware dont really help so generally i am looking for real life > experiences etc. Not looking for bleeding edge, but you want a P3 500-800? Hmm. That's fairly bleeding edge - in terms of usefulness anyway. Are you going to be rating your desktop system for transactions per second? ;) If you're willing to spend around $500+ on a P3, then you *really* ought to be thinking less about grunt-in-one-spot and more about multiple-gruntage. I doubt I'll be upgrading too soon [1], but if I were to get me a chunky new machine, I wouldn't even consider a single processor. Find an Abit VP6 (the next in line from the BP6 dual proc board, which caused large amounts of appreciative dribble, and jealousy by the truckload), and grab yourself two good Celerons. Whilst MHz usually means poop, the Celeron and P3 cores are almost exactly the same, so you can usually [2] compare their MHz as a decent performance metric. Plus, you can get yourself an 800MHz Celeron for about $200, and an 800MHz P3 for about $520. Big difference, huh? And two processors are funner than one. - Jeff [1] Windows machines are upgraded because of games. Linux machines are upgraded because of Raster. http://linux.conf.au/papers/#P11> [2] For desktop machines anyway. The difference will be noticable for more strenuous tasks, which do include games and graphics stuff (having a chunky 2L cache is nice for these things). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- It's not just a song! It's a document of my life! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] DNS/MX secondaries
> Prior to the last meeting (which sadly I didnt get to), there was talk > about secondary cooperatives or some such. Did anything come of that? Hmm. No, it didn't come up at the meeting... I'm up for it though, and the SLUG machine can certainly offer *personal* secondary DNS - we've been thinking about doing dynamic DNS for members for a while now, so this fits in quite nicely. We couldn't offer secondary MX, as that's more likely to become a bandwidth problem. UTS and ProgSoc are already being very kind to let us host our box there. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Two words: Japanese technofetishism. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: speaking of HW ...
Angus Lees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> iirc, linux (at least 2.2) does *not* spread threads around on to
> separate cpus.
Nope, threads on Linux are just normal processes that happen to share things
with each other. So they will get run on multiple CPU's (if you have them :).
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[SLUG] DNS/MX secondaries
Prior to the last meeting (which sadly I didnt get to), there was talk about secondary cooperatives or some such. Did anything come of that? David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
Hey All, While we're on the topic of hardware, we are having a big clean up at work and some older computers have been scheduled for the scrap heap. I have contacted some people from the Computerbank Project about this, however, they may be taken away (beyond my control) sooner rather than later - i.e. this week. As I would like to see it put to good use (preferably charity) rather than thrown away, I'm letting the SLUGGERS know. The pile consists of; - Eight or so mini-towers ranging from 486s to P100s, 8 to 16MB RAM and hard drives from 500MB to 1.2GB. All have been tested (not by me;) and are apparently in working order. Most have NICs (hint...hint...). - A box of keyboards. - A selection of (?working?) monitors. - An assortment of empty PC cases. Before you come rushing over, please contact me so I can confirm whether or not they are still there (they were on Friday) and we can then arrange a time for pick up. Thanks, Rod |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ Rodney Gedda BEng(Hons) Ph +612 9902 2728 Technical Journalist 88 Christie st LinuxWorld.com.auSt Leonards NSW 2065 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxworld.com.au |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] PHP License
Hi all, I overheard recently at a committee meeting that the license for PHP was not GPL compatible. Could somebody tell me in what way ? Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: speaking of HW ...
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> i am hoping to get a new MB and cpu soon which will be cool but any
> recomendations etc..
>
> i am thinking aroung a PIII 500-800 or so hopefully.. or would an AMD be
> better. I am not looking for bleading edge so the latest stats from
> tomshardware dont really help so generally i am looking for real life
> experiences etc.
*cough* alpha *cough*
if you have the money (~$1000) and intel compatibility isn't an issue
(ie: you don't want to run windows), then alphas (alphae?) *scream*.
PCI bus, so you can use all your existing cards. heh: SDRAM is used as
a level *3* cache. go for the cheaper samsung clones, tho. not the
compaq ones. and don't just compare the MHz numbers.
see http://www.alphapowered.com/
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[SLUG] Re: speaking of HW ...
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> The real benefit of multi-proc machines is when you're running multiple
> CPU intensive processes, or when you're running multi-threaded processes.
and with the way unix is designed, most tasks are made up of multiple
processes. so unix adapts to smp very well (unlike the windows
"monolithic apps" approach).
iirc, linux (at least 2.2) does *not* spread threads around on to
separate cpus.
once you (not you personally, scott) calm down from the initial "but
we MUST be better!", you'll realise that with typical unix workloads,
and the way cpu caching works with intel smp, its probably faster not
to. if you have the sort of threaded app that does scale well (because
multiple threads are not writing to the same area of memory), then it
will also run equally well as multiple processes (since you no longer
really need the shared address space).
(ie: threads are a crock ;)
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Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 09:33:21AM +1100, Alex Salmon wrote: > hi > after a bit more research i am inclined to agree.. what is setting up duel > like on linux.. I also read that dual is usless if the programs u run dont > support it so does this mean that netscrap on a single 200mhz (for > eg) will be the same on a duel 200mhz. or will it mean i can run more > netscraps at once. go lynx/konqueror ;-) Any one (non-threaded) process can only run on one CPU at a time. As Netscape is a single, non-threaded process it will only ever make use of one processor (at a time). This doesn't mean you don't win from having a multi-cpu machine. On a single CPU box you might find that Netscape gets 80% of your CPU, whilst everything else is using 20%. On a dual CPU machine, the other processes will move to the other CPU, and Netscape will be able to peak up to 100% of a CPU - only a little gain, but better than nothing. The real benefit of multi-proc machines is when you're running multiple CPU intensive processes, or when you're running multi-threaded processes. Scott. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
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> Don't want a few more Bravo 486/66's, do you Terry ? I
> have a workshop full of the buggers, and I don't
> particularly want to junk them.
i'm thinking beowulf.. (or rather, "mosix")
terry:
i've never had a problem with installing (debian) onto 486's. our
current firewall at work is a 486DX2/66 with 8Mb ram, and i've got two
others lying around here at home..
i think the newer kernels (2.0->2.2, haven't tried 2.4) are getting
worse at low-end memory management tho..
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Re: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
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> Don't want a few more Bravo 486/66's, do you Terry ? I
> have a workshop full of the buggers, and I don't
> particularly want to junk them.
I'm probably going to regret this {:-),
but if you don't want them
I just happen to have one and it went all right as a silent setiathome
processor, I kid you not ~ 38 hours/package, until I had a clean up and
put it out into the workshop, then cannabalised it about six months ago.
Now there is some surplus bits and I'm rebuilding it with a view to
providing some linux boxen to keep kiddy winks busy over summer school
holidays.
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Re: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
Terry Collins wrote: > > Gidday Folks > > Is anyone noticing any trouble doing installs of later distros onto 486 > hardware? > > I'm currently have a lot of trouble getting Suse 6.4 onto an AST Bravo > 486DX2/66 that previously ran Suse 6.0 okay. Also had trouble with > getting Debian 2.2 (spud beta 6/2k) on as well. > I assume you are using YAST (the older installer as used in 6.0)and not YAST2 to do the install. The only gotcha is that you have to pick the basic 386 kernel. The distribution selects a pentium optimised kernal by default. Other than that you should be sweet. Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
I dont recommend VIA based boards. My gigabyte-ali works well i havd found gigabyte to generally be good in linux. Intel chips are usually ok also Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > hi > i am hoping to get a new MB and cpu soon which will be cool but any > recomendations etc.. > > i am thinking aroung a PIII 500-800 or so hopefully.. or would an AMD be > better. I am not looking for bleading edge so the latest stats from > tomshardware dont really help so generally i am looking for real life > experiences etc. > > i already have all peripherals etc so i only need a board that is linux > compt/happy. > > thanks > alex > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
> I agree with Jeff's comments, but was wondering if > there were any performance stats available on the 'net > for PIII/800's vs. Celerons (I'm looking at the dual- > processor desktop myself !!!) Find out from The Man Who Made Himself Oracle: http://www7.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q3/000720/ - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- o/~ In spite of all those keystrokes, you're addicted to vim. *ka-ching!* o/~ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
Re Hardware North Rocks isn't bad but can get a bit expencive. Their's a computer fair that travels a bit which seam to be quite good. I got 128mb ram for $131 last week. http://www.computerfairs.com.au/ Seem to be quite reasonable. - Original Message - From: DaZZa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Alex Salmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ... > On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Alex Salmon wrote: > > > after a bit more research i am inclined to agree.. what is setting up duel > > like on linux.. > > I've got dual PIII/500's in my Linux box. SuSE 7.0 just went "Oh, ok, 2 > processors", and loaded the appropriate kernel. It rocks - RC5DES runs at > about 2.74 million keys a second using both processors - as a comparison, > with one processor it ran at 1.41 million keys a second - so the second > processor is a pretty good addition. > > > I also read that dual is usless if the programs u run dont > > support it so does this mean that netscrap on a single 200mhz (for > > eg) will be the same on a duel 200mhz. or will it mean i can run more > > netscraps at once. go lynx/konqueror ;-) > > Not quite true - the kernel will share stuff between processes - you just > don't have control over it unless your software is specificdally written > for SMP. > > > just on a personal note where do ppl like buying hardware > > HT, north rocks or joe blows computer world down the street or straight > > from the maker > > North rocks rules - I got a 128 meg, PC133 DRAM for $135 the other day - > when places like Forte and CX were selling them for $250. > > However, I must admit, in recent times, the amount of quality competition > at the north rocks markets has dropped off - last time there was only one > or two decent places selling hardware - there used to be half a dozen. > > DaZZa > > > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Alex Salmon wrote: > after a bit more research i am inclined to agree.. what is setting up duel > like on linux.. I've got dual PIII/500's in my Linux box. SuSE 7.0 just went "Oh, ok, 2 processors", and loaded the appropriate kernel. It rocks - RC5DES runs at about 2.74 million keys a second using both processors - as a comparison, with one processor it ran at 1.41 million keys a second - so the second processor is a pretty good addition. > I also read that dual is usless if the programs u run dont > support it so does this mean that netscrap on a single 200mhz (for > eg) will be the same on a duel 200mhz. or will it mean i can run more > netscraps at once. go lynx/konqueror ;-) Not quite true - the kernel will share stuff between processes - you just don't have control over it unless your software is specificdally written for SMP. > just on a personal note where do ppl like buying hardware > HT, north rocks or joe blows computer world down the street or straight > from the maker North rocks rules - I got a 128 meg, PC133 DRAM for $135 the other day - when places like Forte and CX were selling them for $250. However, I must admit, in recent times, the amount of quality competition at the north rocks markets has dropped off - last time there was only one or two decent places selling hardware - there used to be half a dozen. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
Quoting Terry Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Gidday Folks > > Is anyone noticing any trouble doing installs of later distros onto 486 > hardware? > > I'm currently have a lot of trouble getting Suse 6.4 onto an AST Bravo > 486DX2/66 that previously ran Suse 6.0 okay. Also had trouble with > getting Debian 2.2 (spud beta 6/2k) on as well. Don't want a few more Bravo 486/66's, do you Terry ? I have a workshop full of the buggers, and I don't particularly want to junk them. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
I agree with Jeff's comments, but was wondering if there were any performance stats available on the 'net for PIII/800's vs. Celerons (I'm looking at the dual- processor desktop myself !!!) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Bind and Debian
Hey all I just updated my debian potato gatway/cabe server, which was running quite happily untill i got a new version of bind from secure.debian.org Now I ended up having to stop bind on my system as it's causing the Bigpond DNS servers to DOS me :-( I believe the old version was 8.2.2p5-11 and I've now got 8.2.2p7-1. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced the same prob Regards Edward Murphy --Microsoft "Where would you like to go today?"Mac OS "Where are we going tomorow"Linux " Are you coming or what?"--
Re: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
> Is anyone noticing any trouble doing installs of later distros onto 486 > hardware? > > Also had trouble with getting Debian 2.2 (spud beta 6/2k) on as well. Funny you should mention that. I read your email earlier and thought, "Ha ha ha, that could never happen to *my* PCs..." Tonight, I've finally got around to setting up my old Compaq 486 as a gateway (instead of the current total overkill P2). Need I say more? Okay, so it's freezy here as well. :) I'll yell if I get it going. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- I get my kicks above the .sigline, sunshine. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
hi after a bit more research i am inclined to agree.. what is setting up duel like on linux.. I also read that dual is usless if the programs u run dont support it so does this mean that netscrap on a single 200mhz (for eg) will be the same on a duel 200mhz. or will it mean i can run more netscraps at once. go lynx/konqueror ;-) just on a personal note where do ppl like buying hardware HT, north rocks or joe blows computer world down the street or straight from the maker thanks alex On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > i am thinking aroung a PIII 500-800 or so hopefully.. or would an AMD be > > better. I am not looking for bleading edge so the latest stats from > > tomshardware dont really help so generally i am looking for real life > > experiences etc. > > > Not looking for bleeding edge, but you want a P3 500-800? Hmm. That's fairly > bleeding edge - in terms of usefulness anyway. Are you going to be rating > your desktop system for transactions per second? ;) > > If you're willing to spend around $500+ on a P3, then you *really* ought to > be thinking less about grunt-in-one-spot and more about multiple-gruntage. > > I doubt I'll be upgrading too soon [1], but if I were to get me a chunky new > machine, I wouldn't even consider a single processor. Find an Abit VP6 (the > next in line from the BP6 dual proc board, which caused large amounts of > appreciative dribble, and jealousy by the truckload), and grab yourself two > good Celerons. > > Whilst MHz usually means poop, the Celeron and P3 cores are almost exactly > the same, so you can usually [2] compare their MHz as a decent performance > metric. Plus, you can get yourself an 800MHz Celeron for about $200, and an > 800MHz P3 for about $520. Big difference, huh? > > > And two processors are funner than one. > > - Jeff > > > [1] Windows machines are upgraded because of games. Linux machines are > upgraded because of Raster. http://linux.conf.au/papers/#P11> > > [2] For desktop machines anyway. The difference will be noticable for more > strenuous tasks, which do include games and graphics stuff (having a chunky > 2L cache is nice for these things). > > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- > > It's not just a song! It's a document of my life! > > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug > > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
the ast bravo's have great online docs if you need to know chipsets and such
search google for em.. i was quite impressed
dave
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> Subject: [SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
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> Gidday Folks
>
> Is anyone noticing any trouble doing installs of later distros onto 486
> hardware?
>
> I'm currently have a lot of trouble getting Suse 6.4 onto an AST Bravo
> 486DX2/66 that previously ran Suse 6.0 okay. Also had trouble with
> getting Debian 2.2 (spud beta 6/2k) on as well.
>
>
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Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
> i am thinking aroung a PIII 500-800 or so hopefully.. or would an AMD be > better. I am not looking for bleading edge so the latest stats from > tomshardware dont really help so generally i am looking for real life > experiences etc. Not looking for bleeding edge, but you want a P3 500-800? Hmm. That's fairly bleeding edge - in terms of usefulness anyway. Are you going to be rating your desktop system for transactions per second? ;) If you're willing to spend around $500+ on a P3, then you *really* ought to be thinking less about grunt-in-one-spot and more about multiple-gruntage. I doubt I'll be upgrading too soon [1], but if I were to get me a chunky new machine, I wouldn't even consider a single processor. Find an Abit VP6 (the next in line from the BP6 dual proc board, which caused large amounts of appreciative dribble, and jealousy by the truckload), and grab yourself two good Celerons. Whilst MHz usually means poop, the Celeron and P3 cores are almost exactly the same, so you can usually [2] compare their MHz as a decent performance metric. Plus, you can get yourself an 800MHz Celeron for about $200, and an 800MHz P3 for about $520. Big difference, huh? And two processors are funner than one. - Jeff [1] Windows machines are upgraded because of games. Linux machines are upgraded because of Raster. http://linux.conf.au/papers/#P11> [2] For desktop machines anyway. The difference will be noticable for more strenuous tasks, which do include games and graphics stuff (having a chunky 2L cache is nice for these things). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- It's not just a song! It's a document of my life! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Are distro's no longer supporting 486's
Gidday Folks
Is anyone noticing any trouble doing installs of later distros onto 486
hardware?
I'm currently have a lot of trouble getting Suse 6.4 onto an AST Bravo
486DX2/66 that previously ran Suse 6.0 okay. Also had trouble with
getting Debian 2.2 (spud beta 6/2k) on as well.
--
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Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ...
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> i am thinking aroung a PIII 500-800 or so hopefully.. or would an AMD be
> better.
An AMD could be considered better as you are encouraging competition.
This is another reason why I prefer linux.
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[SLUG] speaking of HW ...
hi i am hoping to get a new MB and cpu soon which will be cool but any recomendations etc.. i am thinking aroung a PIII 500-800 or so hopefully.. or would an AMD be better. I am not looking for bleading edge so the latest stats from tomshardware dont really help so generally i am looking for real life experiences etc. i already have all peripherals etc so i only need a board that is linux compt/happy. thanks alex -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
