Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Ian Tester]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Crossfire wrote:

> Yes, but qmail does other incrediably stupid/evil things, like
> breaking down multiple recipiant envelopes - which zmailer, exim and
> postfix don't do - but I've already iterated over these arguments
> before.

My peeve with Qmail (apart from the stupid license) is that I was never
able to get something similar to Sendmail's userdb to work. I just wanted
it to rewrite my outgoing email address (with my bogus domain) into my
real email address. I read docs and tried setting environment variables
(WTF?!) but it never worked properly. And the stupid "one setting per
file" configuration. Why the hell can't you just have one config file?

Having said that, people will now email me to tell me how to do userdb in
Qmail :P
No thanks, I'm turned off Qmail now from what I've heard about the author.

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[SLUG] Re: Toshiba 4380 XDVD console fonts

[Jeff Waugh]

> does anyone actually understand the whole crt/lcd sync thing?
> is it just a matter of svgatextmode not duplicating whatever hacks X
> uses to work around this?

I understand it enough to avoid it. Have you seen the state of some lcd
screens after being svgatextmoded? *apppity*

- Jeff


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[SLUG] Compaq Armada 4131T sound?

[Peter Chubb]

Hi fellow sluggers,
   I've just bought myself a second-hand Compaq laptop, and of course
immediately installed Debian on it.

   It has a sound-blaster compatible sound chip on its motherboard,
which I have working.  However, when in its docking station, it also
is supposed to have a wavetable synthesis system and extra speakers
available.  There is an ES692 Wavetable Synthesizer on the
circuitboard of the docking station.

Does anyone know how to drive it?

PeterC

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Re: [SLUG] Rogaine Vitamin Diet from USA

[Terry Collins]

Dion Curchin wrote:
> 
> Has this got anything to do with our Linux User group
> 
> I really detest spam.


Seems it is time for a reminder

1 - Do not reply to these spammers as all it does is give them another
valid email address to sell to other spammers.

2 - Do not post the full spam to the list again.

3 - Do not bother CC'ing your reponse to spam to the list, unless it is
something new, novell and effective, which can only be judged by
thoroughly searching the Slug archives for prior discussions.



> D.
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:08 PM
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  [SLUG] Rogaine Vitamin Diet from USA

Hmm, Rogaining is the all night sport in my dictnary.

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[SLUG] Re: Toshiba 4380 XDVD console fonts

[Angus Lees]

\begin{Jeff Waugh}
> For example, sputnik, our little Toshy notebook uses (from memory)
> append="vga=0x317"

this is what i do with my toshiba laptop (vga=0x303 - i only wanted
8bit). works fine, until you want to scroll while playing mp3's.


is there a way to do this without doing the whole framebuffer/graphics
mode thing?

reading the docs from svgatextmode, i think i should be able to run in
a "normal" text mode at 800x600, which is exactly what i want.

the problem is: i can't work out what mode line whackiness i need to
get svgatextmode to work on an lcd screen, since [vh]sync doesn't
really mean much.

does anyone actually understand the whole crt/lcd sync thing?
is it just a matter of svgatextmode not duplicating whatever hacks X
uses to work around this?

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RE: [SLUG] Rogaine Vitamin Diet from USA

[Dion Curchin]

Has this got anything to do with our Linux User group


I really detest spam.
D.

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Re: [SLUG] Toshiba 4380 XDVD console fonts

[DaZZa]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, minh van le wrote:

> > I don't know about Toshies, but IBM Thinkpads have a utility which allows
> > you to select something like "Expand Screen" which is needed to be set to
> > YES for Linux before the text will occupy all the screen.
> > 
> > Does the Toshie have something similar?
> 
> not sure. will search the web for its existence for toshiba laptops. that
> "YES" argument wouldn't be an environment variable in the kernel make file
> or in ../include is it ?

Nope - it's an IBM utility which came with the laptop {or was downloaded
off the web site}, and runs under WindoZe or DOS {natch - couldn't expect
it for an enlightened operating system, could we?}.

DaZZa


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Re: [SLUG] Toshiba 4380 XDVD console fonts

[minh van le]

> > the problem i'm having is that my 80x25 default console fonts aren't proportional, 
>or scaled rather, to the 14.1" active TFT LCD monitor that i have. this is causing 
>some strife because i'm looking at 12pt font inside a less than 10" box/frame 
>centered on the screen.
> > 
> > i've had a couple of suggestions, mainly that i enable framebuffer support. so i 
>do, and pass vga=ask to the kernel and try various modes. but this still doesn't 
>scale the fonts to the right size to fit in the 14" screen.
> > 
> > another suggestion was that i hook up a CRT monitor. what's the point i thought :>
> > 
> > has anybody had this problem with their laptop and can offer any suggestions would 
>be appreciated. i haven't fully read all the framebuffer documentation.
> 
> I don't know about Toshies, but IBM Thinkpads have a utility which allows
> you to select something like "Expand Screen" which is needed to be set to
> YES for Linux before the text will occupy all the screen.
> 
> Does the Toshie have something similar?

not sure. will search the web for its existence for toshiba laptops. that
"YES" argument wouldn't be an environment variable in the kernel make file
or in ../include is it ?

> P.S. Fix your line wrap character. Your line lengths stink! :-)

set wm=5 it is.


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Re: [SLUG] Antialiasing in X4.0.2

[John Ryland]

On Sunday 11 February 2001 15:58, Sonam Chauhan wrote:
> I have no idea  how to get this working (I've got X 4.0.2/KDE 2.0.1 but no
> AA) The following seems to suggest that , for KDE users, it may be as
> simple as a new version of QT:
>  http://news.gnome.org/gnome-news/981746971/981837995/981865603/index_html
>
> Is this accurate?

There is a patched version of Qt avaliable (check KDE sites) that adds the 
required support. That patch isn't supported by Trolltech, however wait less 
than a few weeks and Qt 2.3 will be released by Trolltech and it will support 
AA text and a few other things.

Check out this screenshot of alpha-blending with X:
http://www.mq3.org/images/xrender.png

Regards
John

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Re: [SLUG] Toshiba 4380 XDVD console fonts

[Jeff Waugh]

> i've had a couple of suggestions, mainly that i enable framebuffer
> support. so i do, and pass vga=ask to the kernel and try various modes.
> but this still doesn't scale the fonts to the right size to fit in the 14"
> screen.

You're on the right track with this...

Read The framebuffer documentation in your kernel source:
Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt -> That has the correct vga= settings which
you'll need to put in /etc/lilo.conf... Typing these in at the prompt has
never seemed to work for me.

For example, sputnik, our little Toshy notebook uses (from memory)
append="vga=0x317"

Hope that helps.

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] Toshiba 4380 XDVD console fonts

[DaZZa]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, minh van le wrote:

> i'm currently having difficulty doing any development work on my "bleeding edge" 
>laptop. if the fonts were the right size, no prob (!) - X can even wait a while.
> 
> the problem i'm having is that my 80x25 default console fonts aren't proportional, 
>or scaled rather, to the 14.1" active TFT LCD monitor that i have. this is causing 
>some strife because i'm looking at 12pt font inside a less than 10" box/frame 
>centered on the screen.
> 
> i've had a couple of suggestions, mainly that i enable framebuffer support. so i do, 
>and pass vga=ask to the kernel and try various modes. but this still doesn't scale 
>the fonts to the right size to fit in the 14" screen.
> 
> another suggestion was that i hook up a CRT monitor. what's the point i thought :>
> 
> has anybody had this problem with their laptop and can offer any suggestions would 
>be appreciated. i haven't fully read all the framebuffer documentation.

I don't know about Toshies, but IBM Thinkpads have a utility which allows
you to select something like "Expand Screen" which is needed to be set to
YES for Linux before the text will occupy all the screen.

Does the Toshie have something similar?

DaZZa

P.S. Fix your line wrap character. Your line lengths stink! :-)


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[SLUG] Rogaine Vitamin Diet from USA

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[SLUG] Toshiba 4380 XDVD console fonts

[minh van le]

i'm currently having difficulty doing any development work on my "bleeding edge" 
laptop. if the fonts were the right size, no prob (!) - X can even wait a while.

the problem i'm having is that my 80x25 default console fonts aren't proportional, or 
scaled rather, to the 14.1" active TFT LCD monitor that i have. this is causing some 
strife because i'm looking at 12pt font inside a less than 10" box/frame centered on 
the screen.

i've had a couple of suggestions, mainly that i enable framebuffer support. so i do, 
and pass vga=ask to the kernel and try various modes. but this still doesn't scale the 
fonts to the right size to fit in the 14" screen.

another suggestion was that i hook up a CRT monitor. what's the point i thought :>

has anybody had this problem with their laptop and can offer any suggestions would be 
appreciated. i haven't fully read all the framebuffer documentation.

specifications:

Toshiba Digital Media Engineering Corp.
http://linux.toshiba-dme.co.jp/linux/eng/spec.php3?model=PA-SA70

Satellite 4360 Specifications
Exclusive model for Japan.

Model Name/No.  Satellite 4360/PA-SA70
Processor   Pentium-* 700 Mhz
Memory (MAX)320 mb
HDD 12 gb
Display 15.0" TFT 1024x768
Display controller  S3 Savage IX
Video Ram   8 mb
Sound   3D PCI
PC Card controller  Toshiba ToPIC
IrDAIrDA 1.1
Modem   n/a (obtainable from http://../kharker/linux-laptop/)
LAN not installed
Last update 07-10-2000

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Re: [SLUG] Temporary mailbox close?

[Peter Chubb]

> "Mike" == Mike Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> At 10:19 AM 7/02/01 +1100, Simon Bryan wrote:
>> >Hi,
>> >I often have staff members going on leave for a term or more. In the 
>> >meantine their mailboxes continue to fill, is there anyway I can 
>> >temporairily close the mailbox so that it rejects any new mail and sends a 
>> >message to the sender? We are running Mandrake Linux 6 and Sendmail 8.9.

Mike> You can add an entry to /etc/mail/access (dont forget to 'make')

Also, get them to use vacation(1).

Peter C

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Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff

[John Ellis]

> They work with linux right ?
These are the offical drivers, from Tekram
ftp://ftp.tekram.com/scsi/

These are another source of drivers.
http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/dc395/

I haven't tried the DC315 with the linux OS, as i'm
new to linux. I have a Adaptec 2940 to use with WinNT
and linux. 

I also have a some old isa SCSI cards which are in
unknown condition, you are welcome to have them if you
pay the postage, but i think the DC315 might be a
better idea.

Regards,
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[SLUG] Announcement of MacLUG - Next Meeting Saturday 17th February @Campbeltown

[Terry Collins]

Hello Sluggers

The next meeting of Macarthur Linux Users Group (MacLUG) will be on
Saturday 17th February from 10am to whenever.

It is in Campbelltown - RSVP for the address.
 
MacLUG meetings are a day event, relaxed, hands on, come and go when you
want to, etc. The idea is to bring your box and goodies for help and
fiddles, etc. 

Each meeting has a theme/topic and the theme for the February meeting is
"Linux on Sparcs". Yes, I have some Sun Sparc hardware on hand, so if
you ever wondered how those old sparc stuff runs Linux, this is your
chance to find out. 

Activites associated with the theme take priority, but there isn't a
program, there are no planned talks, there is a list of things we might
do, can do, etc. If you want to come and chat - fine, if you want to
install/tune up your box - fine, if you want to hardware hack - fine,
etc. 

There will be power, internet link (28.8K), webcam coverage, phone
lines, workshop, and various, aged linux distros (not the latest
unfortunately),  etc.

If the weather is nice, it will be outside under a tarp. If weather is
poor, we'll crowd the workshop. Please bring a chair if you have it and
if is easy to do (we had enough table top space last time).


RSVP to me ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Cost $3 members, $5 non-members, covers costs. (Mac LUG is a sub group
of SLUG, so membership of MacLUG is by being a member of SLUG).

RSVP to me if you want some snags-onion-slaw for lunch or vego option
(included in $), or BYO (bbq provided). 
Endless tea and coffee throughout the day.

If you stay for dinner, there is an chinese just up the road. The local
shopping centre is 2 blocks away with a takeaway, cakes shop, small
supermarket and the chinese.

If you want to come by public transport, i.e train, I will collect from
and return you to Lumeah station (the one before Campbelltown). Let me
know you are coming this way and ring from the station/newsagent on
arrival. 

Future meetings will be on the third Saturday of each month. I'm open to
suggestion on future themes.
For March, I'm considering "Building Linux Firewalls on Minimal
Systems".

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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Dean Hamstead]

Exim is cool as. www,exim.org.

crossfires persistance in bagging qmail is amusing though.

However the joy of opensource is choice. (be it license,
theory of implementation, debianization etc)

I think its silly to bitch about qmail's non-gpl license.
(personally im more a fan of BSD's freedom, as opposed to
GPL's maintained freedom)

Make a choice, play around, and before you get too annoyed with
unix MTA's, try MS exchange ;)

Dean

Crossfire wrote:

> Rev Simon Rumble was once rumoured to have said:
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:26:22AM +1100, Jeff Waugh uttered:
>> 
>> 
>>> I'm looking for other avenues before using qmail-pop3d, as I'm not fond of
>>> the license, and for various reasons I'd prefer something supported by my
>>> distribution.
>> 
>> What you mean there's a way of doing things that isn't the Bernstein
>> Way?  Wash your mouth out with soap son! 8)
> 
> 
> Please do NOT get me started on djb's MTA stupidity again.  I've
> already publically voiced my objections to qmail on this list.
> 
> Sendmail might no be the answer for most people, but qmail is hardly
> the answer for anybody when we have exim, postfix and zmailer out
> there too, all of which [to the best of my knowledge] behave far
> better than qmail.
> 
> C.


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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Crossfire]

Jason Rennie was once rumoured to have said:
> > Sendmail might no be the answer for most people, but qmail is hardly
> > the answer for anybody when we have exim, postfix and zmailer out
> > there too, all of which [to the best of my knowledge] behave far
> > better than qmail.
> 
> Actaully i noticed they behaved far worse.
> 
> Of course that was simple becasue they let in slightly improperly
> formatted mail, which qmail rejected ;)

Yes, but qmail does other incrediably stupid/evil things, like
breaking down multiple recipiant envelopes - which zmailer, exim and
postfix don't do - but I've already iterated over these arguments
before.

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Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff

[Jason Rennie]

> The Tekram 315 is supported (by the 395 driver) and about $40-50 at
> markets. I've got a spare Adaptec 1542 somewhere in the box if you are
> interested.


Is it PCI ? IF yes then what would you like/how much for it ?

Otherwise i guess i'll get a tekram next week end.

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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Jason Rennie]

> Sendmail might no be the answer for most people, but qmail is hardly
> the answer for anybody when we have exim, postfix and zmailer out
> there too, all of which [to the best of my knowledge] behave far
> better than qmail.

Actaully i noticed they behaved far worse.

Of course that was simple becasue they let in slightly improperly
formatted mail, which qmail rejected ;)

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Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff

[Ken Yap]

>I guess i will need to fork out then. Anybody got an old scsi card they
>dont want ? Know where i can get a good PCI one that works with linux and
>wont cost an arm and a leg ?

The Tekram 315 is supported (by the 395 driver) and about $40-50 at
markets. I've got a spare Adaptec 1542 somewhere in the box if you are
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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Rev Simon Rumble]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 09:54:32AM +1100, Jeff Waugh uttered:
> 
> 
> > What you mean there's a way of doing things that isn't the Bernstein
> > Way?  Wash your mouth out with soap son! 8)
> 
> What happens when the Debian Way and the Bernstein Way collide?
> 
> [ Other than the requisite debian-devel flame war? ]

qmail is non-free so it goes in non-free.  Debian can't make qmail
follow the Debian Way (as a binary) because it's different from the
Bernstein Way so the package is available as source with patches to
Debianise it.  The same thing is done with pine and others non-free
software from people who think "free" means "free for me to tell you
how to run your computer".

Simple.  But then why would you want to use a non-free MTA when there
are plenty of worthy free ones around?

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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Crossfire]

Rev Simon Rumble was once rumoured to have said:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:26:22AM +1100, Jeff Waugh uttered:
> 
> > I'm looking for other avenues before using qmail-pop3d, as I'm not fond of
> > the license, and for various reasons I'd prefer something supported by my
> > distribution.
> 
> What you mean there's a way of doing things that isn't the Bernstein
> Way?  Wash your mouth out with soap son! 8)

Please do NOT get me started on djb's MTA stupidity again.  I've
already publically voiced my objections to qmail on this list.

Sendmail might no be the answer for most people, but qmail is hardly
the answer for anybody when we have exim, postfix and zmailer out
there too, all of which [to the best of my knowledge] behave far
better than qmail.

C.
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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Jeff Waugh]

> Err... why not just use vpopmail (from the same people who wrote
> Courier-IMAP) - www.inter7.com :)

Note: I don't run qmail.

> It's fantastic - will also auth from MySQL etc... very funky.

I can't help but giggle at the thought of add-on MySQL authorisation being
either 'fantastic' or 'funky'. If you'd said LDAP... ;)

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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Jeff Waugh]

> What you mean there's a way of doing things that isn't the Bernstein
> Way?  Wash your mouth out with soap son! 8)

What happens when the Debian Way and the Bernstein Way collide?

[ Other than the requisite debian-devel flame war? ]

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Umar Goldeli]

Err... why not just use vpopmail (from the same people who wrote
Courier-IMAP) - www.inter7.com :)

It's fantastic - will also auth from MySQL etc... very funky.


//umar.

> 
> 
> > I thought that the server daemons were really nice, but all the
> > IMAP _clients_ sucked...
> 
> Heh. They're getting better.
> 
> Slowly.
> 
> > What's the problem?  Doesn't it compile without the rest of the qmail
> > stuff?
> 
> I'm looking for other avenues before using qmail-pop3d, as I'm not fond of
> the license, and for various reasons I'd prefer something supported by my
> distribution.
> 
> > What server are you using with maildirs if not qmail?
> 
> Courier-IMAP (which is very nice so far), with postfix as MTA.
> 
> - Jeff
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Rev Simon Rumble]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 12:26:22AM +1100, Jeff Waugh uttered:

> I'm looking for other avenues before using qmail-pop3d, as I'm not fond of
> the license, and for various reasons I'd prefer something supported by my
> distribution.

What you mean there's a way of doing things that isn't the Bernstein
Way?  Wash your mouth out with soap son! 8)

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Re: [SLUG] It's ALIVE!

[Jeff Waugh]

> What was the problem with simply calling it `chat'?
> 
> I.e., [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Well... In retrospect, some kind of yearning to make sure it was still
regarded as a SLUG list?

No idea, it just came out that way.

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff

[Jason Rennie]

> You can also buy a Tekram DC315 for $40.00 which would
> run a scanner, printer, CD-RW but they do not boot
> from some BIOSs

They work with linux right ?

I dont really care beyond, run the scanner and work with linux.

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Re: [SLUG] It's ALIVE!

[Anand Kumria]

On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 12:17:24AM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> >   "[slug-chat] A general bezar for the off-topic discussion of the SLUG
> >   community." - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> slug-chat:
> 
>   http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug-chat

What was the problem with simply calling it `chat'?

I.e., [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff

[John Ellis]

> I guess i will need to fork out then. Anybody got an
> old scsi card they
> dont want ? Know where i can get a good PCI one that
> works with linux and wont cost an arm and a leg ?

> My Epson Colo[u]r Stylus 740 works great with its
native USB port. I 
don't
> know how well supported these USB->parallel adapters
are under Linux, 
but
> it's certainly do-able. I've been using
2.3.x/2.4-pre/2.4.x kernels 
for a
> while now. I don't know how well the 2.2 USB
back->port works.

>Thats promising then, as i'm runnign 2.4.1

>Jason
---
I've only recently installed linux (RH7.0) on my
computer (should come to the meeting 23rd feb,
right??) So I'm new to linux...But pretty familar with
9x/NT.

I've run into driver problems with cannon printers &
scanners a few times. Such as USB scanners not working
under Win95OSR2.5, cannon BJ4550 drivers crashing with
autocad or needing 256mb RAM to print!

HP scanners seem to be the better ones to buy, as the
drivers (Win32!) seem to be better written. They make
several scanners with both USB and parallel ports.

If you want to buy a decent SCSI card, I bought a
second hand Adaptec 2940 at a computer show from
Computer Parts (02 9482 2582) for $80.00, Expensive,
maybe.. but i understand new ones cost around $150.

You can also buy a Tekram DC315 for $40.00 which would
run a scanner, printer, CD-RW but they do not boot
from some BIOSs

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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Jeff Waugh]

> I thought that the server daemons were really nice, but all the
> IMAP _clients_ sucked...

Heh. They're getting better.

Slowly.

> What's the problem?  Doesn't it compile without the rest of the qmail
> stuff?

I'm looking for other avenues before using qmail-pop3d, as I'm not fond of
the license, and for various reasons I'd prefer something supported by my
distribution.

> What server are you using with maildirs if not qmail?

Courier-IMAP (which is very nice so far), with postfix as MTA.

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Colin Humphreys]

The latest versions of Courier-imap has pop and imap support (ssl
versions as well), so that is the only daemon you need...

-Colin

Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> It seems odd that whilst almost everyone in "I don't have my own hosted
> domain" land require IMAP or POP3, just about all of the daemons operating
> with these protocols suck. On with the question...
> 
> I'm quite impressed with the Courier IMAP server, and how Maildirs are
> running on my system, but I can't find any widely-used POP3 servers that
> like Maildirs.
> 
> The only option I know out of hand is qmail-pop3d. Anyone know where I can
> get the sources for just it? If there are other daemons to recommend, I'd
> love to hear about them too.
> 
> Danke SLUGgers,
> 
> - Jeff
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Re: [SLUG] Why do all mail servers suck? (Maildir + POP3)

[Andrew Reilly]

On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 03:39:05PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> It seems odd that whilst almost everyone in "I don't have my own hosted
> domain" land require IMAP or POP3, just about all of the daemons operating
> with these protocols suck. On with the question...

I thought that the server daemons were really nice, but all the
IMAP _clients_ sucked...

> I'm quite impressed with the Courier IMAP server, and how Maildirs are
> running on my system, but I can't find any widely-used POP3 servers that
> like Maildirs.
> 
> The only option I know out of hand is qmail-pop3d. Anyone know where I can
> get the sources for just it? If there are other daemons to recommend, I'd
> love to hear about them too.

I'm using courier IMAPd alongside qmail, and that's fine.
Before I got Courier's imapd going I just used qmails
qmail-pop3d.  It worked perfectly.  What's the problem?  Doesn't
it compile without the rest of the qmail stuff?  What server are
you using with maildirs if not qmail?

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Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff

[Howard Lowndes]

Actually I have looked at it in some detail.  The 5300 is apparently made
by AVision and there is a usb-scsi driver available as a patch for 2.4.x,
(with caveats) which is why I am now battling with getting 2.4.x up and
running.  Sigh.

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On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Jason Rennie wrote:

> > Whilst scanners are being discussed...has anyone got a Canon 5300C running
> > under 2.2.x with either parallel port or usb.  If so I would like to
> > discuss details, pse.
>
> Good luck, i was looking at SANE today, and apparently they dont have
> drivers for stuff the companies wont tell them how to use. Canon are
> really anal about things like that to.
>
> Apparently the USB stuff should work with the HP driver (if your lucky
> )though.


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Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff

[David Kempe]

> I guess i will need to fork out then. Anybody got an old scsi card they
> dont want ? Know where i can get a good PCI one that works with linux and
> wont cost an arm and a leg ?

I have an isa one that may not work.. i dunno i couldnt get it to work so i
bought a pci one for $90. Now i don't need either.
It has a 25 pin D type connector on the back suitable for a 4p scanner. I
dunno if its what you need.

mail me directly if you are interested.

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Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff

[Jason Rennie]

> Whilst scanners are being discussed...has anyone got a Canon 5300C running
> under 2.2.x with either parallel port or usb.  If so I would like to
> discuss details, pse.

Good luck, i was looking at SANE today, and apparently they dont have
drivers for stuff the companies wont tell them how to use. Canon are
really anal about things like that to. 

Apparently the USB stuff should work with the HP driver (if your lucky
)though.

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Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff

[Jason Rennie]

> What driver are you using ?  I'm using the 53c7xx, and it seems to work 
> fine - won't recognise my Jaz drive, but the scanner is fine.

The SYM 4c ??? There is one in the kernel that is correct, and the
description actually says it is the card that came with these scanners.

It worked in the past, the card might have died.

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Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff

[Jason Rennie]

> Simple suggestion: get a real SCSI card. The POS SCSI cards those 
> companies supply with scanners, etc are some of the crummiest 8-bit card
> to have ever existed.

I guess i will need to fork out then. Anybody got an old scsi card they
dont want ? Know where i can get a good PCI one that works with linux and
wont cost an arm and a leg ?

> My Epson Colo[u]r Stylus 740 works great with its native USB port. I don't
> know how well supported these USB->parallel adapters are under Linux, but
> it's certainly do-able. I've been using 2.3.x/2.4-pre/2.4.x kernels for a
> while now. I don't know how well the 2.2 USB back-port works.

Thats promising then, as i'm runnign 2.4.1

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Re: [SLUG] Headerless email?

[Tom Massey]

Mike Holland wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Tom Massey wrote:
> 
> > 'Headerless email in account tom_massey' sent from the fetchmail daemon.
> 
> Its not you.

Thanks for the reassurance! I assumed it was most likely something like
this, just wanted to make sure it wasn't something evil I'd managed to
do to my setup.

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Re: [SLUG] Printing and SCSI Stuff

[Howard Lowndes]

Whilst scanners are being discussed...has anyone got a Canon 5300C running
under 2.2.x with either parallel port or usb.  If so I would like to
discuss details, pse.

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On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Ian Tester wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote:
>
>  I wrote:
>
> > >Simple suggestion: get a real SCSI card. The POS SCSI cards those
> > >companies supply with scanners, etc are some of the crummiest 8-bit card
> > >to have ever existed.
> >
> > What driver are you using ?  I'm using the 53c7xx, and it seems to work
> > fine - won't recognise my Jaz drive, but the scanner is fine.
>
> Well, I'm not using a SCSI scanner. I've got a HP Scanjet 6300C and it
> uses USB. Works great. I was just making a suggestion based on past
> experience with a scanner my parents got years ago, and from what I've
> read on Linux newsgroups years ago.
>
> If I was using a SCSI card, I would use the driver appropriate to it. I
> hope you've got yourself an NCR 53c7xx card, or that driver won't be of
> much use ;)
>
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Re: [SLUG] Debian Boot Scripts

[Herbert Xu]

marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> /etc/init.d/networking is, which has a "ifup -a" line. This suggests that
> I should add a line to /etc/network/interfaces but I haven't been able to
> figure out the syntax of the file...  ?!?

Try

man interfaces
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